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BOUNTY PROPOSAL FOR btc2nxt

1. Nxt account and userID/contact info for submitter

user Id: btc2nxt
Nxt account: to be provided later by recipient  :D

2. Submission date
Mar.,30. 2014

3. short description
Jean-Luc actually mentioned that btc2nxt and me (l8orre) were the only persons at all who in fact had performed any tests on the AE.
He also said that btc2nxt should receive payment for doing this (while still being on TD).
btc2nxt did this out of own motivation, without being asked by anybody, did tests, came back with the results, and also persisted when faced with difficulties.
I also think (just like JL) that such quiet and unpretentious contribution should be rewarded
Also, btc2nxt did in fact identify things to be fixed in the AE

5. Budget
10,000Nxt for btc2nxt <--------------- edit changed to 10,000 from 25,000

6. Specify deadlines
work already performed, plus incentive to provide further contributions in the future


« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 07:15:26 pm by l8orre »
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 05:38:03 pm »

Nice, he deserves it!
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 08:51:20 am »

While I think 660 dollars are a little much for testing I think he deserves an allowance. :)




But that's something the Tech Dev Committee has to decide.  :D
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 09:53:43 am »

660 dollar a lot for testing a system that is critical?
We really need to start to realise these people are doing important work and reward them accordingly.
If we are going to be skinflints, the chances of attracting other developers are slim indeed.
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 11:01:52 am »

The thing is. I don't know any project or person all these committees funded so far.

Why not create real job/bounty applications for developers. (And likewise for the other committees)

This is better than reward random people who do something good. Ofc btc2nxt deserve this bounty. But in my opinion it is better to say what we need and THEN people do it, instead of people doing many different things (but nothing organized and 100% correct) and THEN give them the bounty.


I hope you understand what I mean. :p
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 11:47:03 am »


I don't know if it is too high, but I don't think so. What I do know is that btc2nxt was the only one who came forward and just did it without even being asked to do so, which is way more than many other ppl can claim.

Considering also the fact that Jean-Luc was a bit disappointed to note that him and me were the only ppl who actually made any testing at all - plus mcjavar, who provided a testpad for that, which went mostly unused.
 
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 12:05:59 pm »

Yes and that is great. I was just saying my opinion, but I also said that I'm not allowed to determine something. For this the committees are there. ;)
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 12:06:49 pm »

The thing is. I don't know any project or person all these committees funded so far.

I don't think this is really a good argument.
I am quite active and still don't know everyone.
There are also people working behind the scenes, but working nonetheless.

I think "work" should be the benchmark, not the visibility.
The fact that a lot of our developers have gone unpaid because they are basically not pushing themselves forward just goes to prove how such a system will bias towards the "louder" members :)

I'm glad we are finally seeing some rewards for the "quiet powers" in the community.
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 12:10:40 pm »

I think I'm more the marketing type. :D

I want to see results, i.e. visibility. But I think for that purpose you are in one committee and I refused to be in one. :)
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 03:36:36 pm »

Ok so this is something I've been wanting to talk about. I think that our fiduciary duty (And i could be totally wrong about this so i would like to hear more on what the community believes our fiduciary duty, because it is what ever the community thinks it is) is to do what we can to catalyze the adoption of our ecosystem.

To that end I don't think that our duty has anything to do with justice. I dont think that it has anything to do with compensating people because they "deserve it". It should deal purely with questions of utility. What choices, what actions, what behaviors, further the adoption of nxt. That is our only concern.

The following is going to sound cold and callous so i apologize for that in advance, but its not me being mean, its me trying to ad hear to what i perceive to be my duty.

I think that perhaps this means is that paying people retroactively for the legitimately good work they have done in the past that they legitimately deserve compensation for may not be something that we should be doing. Specifically because as much as that person deserves to be payed, that work is already done, paying for it now is not going to effect that and so paying for it now may not be the highest value application of these funds as per the objective of furthering the adoption of nxt.

With that said I would like to offer some of my own personal promotional funds to btc2nxt because I trust that l8orre knows what he is talking about when he says that btc2nxt deserves compensation for his hard work. Additionally I think there is some room for paying retroactive bounties because this makes them feel like they are valued and so encourages these people to stay a part of our community, which will ultimately further the goal of catalyzing the adoption of NXT.

So I think the take away here is that we can do some retroactive bounties just they should be significantly smaller than proactive bounties.

Interested to hear others thoughts and please dont be mad. I'm not saying this because im trying to be mean or anything like that. I may be wrong, i often am wrong, but this is me genuinely trying to do what i believe is right even if it sounds cold and heartless.

Also consider that if there is a general consensus among the community that this is wrong, than that consensus makes it wrong.
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 05:12:01 pm »

quick comment- This is killing initiative. wie das Zentralkommittee der Sozialistischen Einheitspartei Deutschlands. Die Erichs.

If there ain't no orders from the Central Committee, you better shouldn't start working on it, because then you're guaranteed to NOT get paid for coming up with an idea on your own, and transforming it into a project with out asking..
 
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 06:16:28 pm »

BOUNTY PROPOSAL FOR btc2nxt

1. Nxt account and userID/contact info for submitter

user Id: btc2nxt
Nxt account: to be provided later by recipient  :D

2. Submission date
Mar.,30. 2014

3. short description
Jean-Luc actually mentioned that btc2nxt and me (l8orre) were the only persons at all who in fact had performed any tests on the AE.
He also said that btc2nxt should receive payment for doing this (while still being on TD).
btc2nxt did this out of own motivation, without being asked by anybody, did tests, came back with the results, and also persisted when faced with difficulties.
I also think (just like JL) that such quiet and unpretentious contribution should be rewarded
Also, btc2nxt did in fact identify things to be fixed in the AE

5. Budget
25,000Nxt for btc2nxt

6. Specify deadlines
work already performed, plus incentive to provide further contributions in the future

I'm in favour of rewarding guys who have done good work, and that are vouched for by trustworthy members of the community.
In the case of btc2nxt I wasn't aware that so few people had properly tested AE, so he should get at least a little something for the hours he put in and the bug finding contribution.

We've paid out much larger retro-active bounties, so if J-L and l8orre are for some sort of reward, then give it.
If nothing else, it'll make btc2nxt feel like the community appreciates his effort.
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 06:33:51 pm »

l8orre i agree that people should be payed retroactively, i think there are good arguments in favor of that, i think you just made one such good argument, but i also think that it should be generally less than proactive bounties.

how do you feel about 2500 from the TechDev and 2500 from my personal promotional funds?
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 07:00:50 pm »

I also think 25k is too much. 5k seems more like it.

Also, we should be careful because there are a lot of people that deserve things and we can't give money to all of them.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 08:39:38 pm »

Yea there is the risk of opening pandoras box. This risk ought to be given serious consideration.
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2014, 10:56:57 pm »

This is an issue that could be applied to me, so I'll tread carefully here.

I feel that people who make important contributions to NXT, but who are not holding shitloads of NXT, should receive some love (and cold hard cash money) from the community.
I've got no idea about btc2nxt's personal situation, btw, but if he is an original stakeholder sitting on 5 megaNXT, I would vote to give him nothing. He is , in that case, working to increase his own potential profit from NXT, and he will get a serious pay-off from his own holdings.

But what if someone puts loads of time into NXT for other reasons, without holding a major stake ?
He/she/it is increasing the value of NXT, and helping to make money for everyone else in the NXT community (especially major stakeholders) without making much from their work for themselves.

Obviously, we can't give massive bounties to everyone who puts their hands out, but btc2nxt isn't the one asking here.
l8orre and J-L have his back, so maybe he does deserve a little love.
I'd like to see an estimate of how many hours he put in, btw, before anyone decides.

(And, yeah, I will get my ass back to InfCom soon and stop pissing on TechDevs tree......)
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2014, 01:46:52 am »

i am a stakeholder with 10 btc buying at 0.00007 at 2014.1.1

dont't code for near 2 years, now l code again , and learn python in linux.

yesterday i debuged nxt java source. Finally console showed ''RUNNING ON TESTNET, DO NOT USE REAL ACCOUNT' ,after thinking and googling for a whole day.

Maybe from now on, i not only test AE,AT and AZZZZZ(no programmer like testing), but also dig the nxt core code.

i love it.

btw i am learning english from this thread

@jl777 :
  give Jean-Luc more time to fix asset's bugs . Asset Exchange has consumed  all of Jean-Luc' time.

we all know Jean-Luc is very very busy now.
i want to help Jean-Luc, but i cannot, because i failed debuging nxt.4.7 on Eclipse  a month ago.

Maybe i can lead the Asset test, save a little more time for Jean-Luc to do other things. After simple tests are over, i would like to launch Tulip Bubble TEST, who earned most testNxt will win the match.
I will donate 500 true Nxt to the winner.


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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2014, 11:28:05 am »

This is an issue that could be applied to me, so I'll tread carefully here.

I feel that people who make important contributions to NXT, but who are not holding shitloads of NXT, should receive some love (and cold hard cash money) from the community.
I've got no idea about btc2nxt's personal situation, btw, but if he is an original stakeholder sitting on 5 megaNXT, I would vote to give him nothing. He is , in that case, working to increase his own potential profit from NXT, and he will get a serious pay-off from his own holdings.

But what if someone puts loads of time into NXT for other reasons, without holding a major stake ?
He/she/it is increasing the value of NXT, and helping to make money for everyone else in the NXT community (especially major stakeholders) without making much from their work for themselves.

Obviously, we can't give massive bounties to everyone who puts their hands out, but btc2nxt isn't the one asking here.
l8orre and J-L have his back, so maybe he does deserve a little love.
I'd like to see an estimate of how many hours he put in, btw, before anyone decides.

(And, yeah, I will get my ass back to InfCom soon and stop pissing on TechDevs tree......)


Heeeh! Please keep stirring up things here a bit - its your opinion, so what!?!

At least it brings some input to the discussion!

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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 10:14:35 pm »

l8orre how do you feel about my proposal?
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Re: Bounty request for delinvering Asset Exchange testing for btc2nxt
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2014, 07:16:06 pm »


I approve this bounty

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