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Bounty for ChuckOne
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:54:54 pm »

Because I think (and hopefully a lot of others, too) that ChuckOne has taken on a vital job, I would like to ask TechDev Fund for a bounty for his work.

I do not know the exact parameters of this job, but I would sincerely like it to be rewarded with a non-trivial amount.

Just as developers are important, this assignment is an important bridge to make sure Nxt does not lose or hinder 3rd party developers and Nxt-related services, which will become more and more abundant.

Because I do not know these parameters, I think it would be good to enter into a dialogue on this first, and then set an amount we feel is fitting.

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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 04:07:49 am »

agree  ;D
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 08:25:36 am »

I do not know the exact parameters of this job...


Come-from-Beyond:

Hi, Chuck. As the project manager u ought to know all the features planned by BCNext. It's necessary to see the whole road to plan what features are worth implementation and what ones are not. Do u mind if I hand over all the info I have to u? We could do it within a couple of weeks.


ChuckOne:

Agreed. It also serves as a kind of a backup.

Let me know when you are ready.


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Great. Let's start tomorrow via Jabber. There are no specs, only ideas. Make sure u get everything clear, I promise that after I answer all ur questions I won't be answering any questions regarding Nxt concept nor giving any suggestions on fixing issues related to Nxt. If u get something wrong, u'll have to find ur own solution or ask Nxt community for help. More hardcore - more fun. :)
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2014, 08:52:45 am »

CfB is such a lazy arse :D
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2014, 09:55:54 am »

CfB is such a lazy arse :D

Sloth is a stimulus to progress. :)
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2014, 10:04:41 am »


while I do very much agree with the idea ( I posted it myself cpl hours ago or last night can't remember),
this would rather very much look like InfraStructure fund to me!
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2014, 10:06:11 am »

ChuckOne should post here his Nxt account for donations.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2014, 10:44:23 am »

Because I do not know these parameters, I think it would be good to enter into a dialogue on this first, and then set an amount we feel is fitting.

The task is to increase the amount and the quality of communication between the devs and the community and within the devs themselves.

Maybe, the a better job title would be SPOKESMAN.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2014, 10:50:59 am »

ChuckOne:

Agreed. It also serves as a kind of a backup.

Let me know when you are ready.


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Great. Let's start tomorrow via Jabber. There are no specs, only ideas. Make sure u get everything clear, I promise that after I answer all ur questions I won't be answering any questions regarding Nxt concept nor giving any suggestions on fixing issues related to Nxt. If u get something wrong, u'll have to find ur own solution or ask Nxt community for help. More hardcore - more fun. :)

The purpose of my response was to create a backup of the data not to release you from your responsibilities.

I do not see a problem in having two guys knowing those ideas and those two guys talk about future long-term development of Nxt. If you refuse that, then that knowledge is better off being in your head.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2014, 11:39:37 am »

The purpose of my response was to create a backup of the data not to release you from your responsibilities.

I do not see a problem in having two guys knowing those ideas and those two guys talk about future long-term development of Nxt. If you refuse that, then that knowledge is better off being in your head.

In a month I'm going to buy an island and retire. I can keep the knowledge in my head if u wish, but I'm not going to share it after that date.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2014, 01:02:39 pm »

SODL!!!
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2014, 01:33:58 pm »

Come-from-Beyond:
Great. Let's start tomorrow via Jabber. There are no specs, only ideas. Make sure u get everything clear, I promise that after I answer all ur questions I won't be answering any questions regarding Nxt concept nor giving any suggestions on fixing issues related to Nxt. If u get something wrong, u'll have to find ur own solution or ask Nxt community for help. More hardcore - more fun. :)

In that case, let's not do it. I don't think we are expecting ChuchOne to replace CfB. I would think ChuckOne is more a helper in communication with all parties inside and outsid Nxt.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 01:36:19 pm »

The purpose of my response was to create a backup of the data not to release you from your responsibilities.

I do not see a problem in having two guys knowing those ideas and those two guys talk about future long-term development of Nxt. If you refuse that, then that knowledge is better off being in your head.

In a month I'm going to buy an island and retire. I can keep the knowledge in my head if u wish, but I'm not going to share it after that date.

CfB, your statement is not very collaborative. Please honor the idea behind my avatar...  ;)
You said yourself that Nxt is here to change the world, give it some time.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2014, 01:39:02 pm by Sebastien256 »
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 02:10:30 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 02:11:30 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.

Imo, you should post it public then, the plan.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2014, 02:14:03 pm »

Imo, you should post it public then, the plan.

I did. In this topic.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2014, 02:15:46 pm »

Imo, you should post it public then, the plan.

I did. In this topic.

Well, I was talking about what you want to transfer to chuckone, make it public. Take the next 4 weeks to prepare this if you want, that would be a better legacy.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 02:24:15 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.

In that case, ChuckOne probably is the best candidate.

Will you implement the TF before you leave?
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2014, 02:39:56 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.

In that case, ChuckOne probably is the best candidate.

Will you implement the TF before you leave?

CfB said that he would implement TF and that he is waiting for JL to finish implement things in NRS that I don't remember. His statement right now are somehow contradicting with what he said before.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2014, 02:43:17 pm »

CfB is teasing you guys :)
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2014, 02:43:34 pm »

Will you implement the TF before you leave?

If I don't have time then I'll leave instructions how to do it. 95% of the code already written.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2014, 02:44:41 pm »

CfB is teasing you guys :)

It is not the first time he is doing that... I have almost read all his post from back december 2013.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2014, 02:44:49 pm »

His statement right now are somehow contradicting with what he said before.

I have become an obstacle on Nxt's road to success. Too many things r centered on me.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2014, 02:47:01 pm »

I have become an obstacle on Nxt's road to success. Too many things r centered on me.

Well, true. But you still have to implement TF, that's a mission of honor, and you gave your word ;) After that, peaceful retirement in a tropical island :)
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2014, 02:49:55 pm »

His statement right now are somehow contradicting with what he said before.

I have become an obstacle on Nxt's road to success. Too many things r centered on me.

Imo, the best thing you should do is prepare legacy by telling what you know to others, but do not threat of leaving in 4 weeks. Nothing good gonna happen from that. You shoud leave on when you know that more than 1 person know what you already know and that you are 100% sure that they understand your knownledge. Chuckone is a good candidate, but another person would be good too. Make some group discussion with people you have confidence in them. Make sure they know what you know before leaving.

That would be a good legacy.

Only telling to Chuckone would simply centered thing on him instead of you. You need to pass knowledge to more than one person if you want it to survive for sure.

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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2014, 02:52:34 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.

We need time to do this. If you drop out, then I am again this single person. Furthermore, 4 weeks might be too short for this.


Let us make a compromise in order to achieve a smooth transition period:

1) We take those 4 weeks during which you hand over the legacy to me.
2) After that, you stay available for 6 further months for consulting.
3) During the first 3 months, we will prepare a document which archive and secure the legacy for future generations.


Another thing, which I think is important to know: do you drop out of development in one month, too? If so, I would be glad if you could find a loyal successor for your development position.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 pm »

Well, true. But you still have to implement TF, that's a mission of honor, and you gave your word ;) After that, peaceful retirement in a tropical island :)

Valid point, in this case I should stop writing Smart Contracts and Coin Shuffling.
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Re: Bounty for ChuckOne
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2014, 02:53:56 pm »

I have become an obstacle on Nxt's road to success. Too many things r centered on me.

Well, true. But you still have to implement TF, that's a mission of honor, and you gave your word ;) After that, peaceful retirement in a tropical island :)

Indeed.
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2014, 02:56:13 pm »

Well, true. But you still have to implement TF, that's a mission of honor, and you gave your word ;) After that, peaceful retirement in a tropical island :)

Valid point, in this case I should stop writing Smart Contracts and Coin Shuffling.

Another thing would be good, leave only when you finish the thing you started. Stop coding new stuff would be a good start. Leaving only pieces is not very good.
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2014, 02:57:45 pm »

2) After that, you stay available for 6 further months for consulting.

We already suffer from this - people don't try to improve Nxt, they only talk about the price.


3) During the first 3 months, we will prepare a document which archive and secure the legacy for future generations.

This legacy is just plans of one guy, build ur own future.
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2014, 02:59:46 pm »

Here is a good plan,

1) Finish the thing you are currently coding and promise to implement.

2) Pass knownledge of future feature (not code yet) to chuckone, ideally more than only him.

3) Dont start coding on new stuff! So you can leave in good term your legacy.

4) Live happy ever after... And every one is happy. Nxt will be in the hand of the community.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2014, 02:59:55 pm »

Valid point, in this case I should stop writing Smart Contracts and Coin Shuffling.

In that case TF is less important, somebody else will do TF :)
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2014, 03:00:17 pm »

Another thing would be good, leave only when you finish the thing you started. Stop coding new stuff would be a good start. Leaving only pieces is not very good.

There is no a choice between good and bad. U have to choose between bad and very bad.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2014, 03:02:50 pm »

Here is a good plan,

1) Finish the thing you are currently coding and promise to implement.

2) Pass knownledge of future feature (not code yet) to chuckone, ideally more than only him.

3) Dont start coding on new stuff! So you can leave in good term your legacy.

4) Live happy ever after... And every one is happy. Nxt will be in the hand of the community.

Sounds good, but I can't do some things right now, coz I'm waiting for DB stuff.
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2014, 03:03:16 pm »

2) After that, you stay available for 6 further months for consulting.

We already suffer from this - people don't try to improve Nxt, they only talk about the price.


3) During the first 3 months, we will prepare a document which archive and secure the legacy for future generations.

This legacy is just plans of one guy, build ur own future.

True what you said.

However, please consider some sort of middle course. Not too fast, not too slow. I just would like your promise to stay available for some time after those 4 weeks. Is that too much to be asked for?

Let us start with the transition Monday evening. That give us some time to relax before starting. You should take that time out, too.
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2014, 03:04:06 pm »

Here is a good plan,

1) Finish the thing you are currently coding and promise to implement.

2) Pass knownledge of future feature (not code yet) to chuckone, ideally more than only him.

3) Dont start coding on new stuff! So you can leave in good term your legacy.

4) Live happy ever after... And every one is happy. Nxt will be in the hand of the community.

Sounds good, but I can't do some things right now, coz I'm waiting for DB stuff.

Undersood, so start 2). And come back to 1 after DB. Dont forget 3) if you want to leave in good term.
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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2014, 03:06:45 pm »

However, please consider some sort of middle course. Not too fast, not too slow. I just would like your promise to stay available for some time after those 4 weeks. Is that too much to be asked for?

It's a half-measure.
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2014, 03:08:53 pm »

However, please consider some sort of middle course. Not too fast, not too slow. I just would like your promise to stay available for some time after those 4 weeks. Is that too much to be asked for?

It's a half-measure.
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I think you could be available for consulting, but simply just don't code anything. Just like professsor do with their student. Professor don't usually code, the student are tho. My professors, don't even look at the code I write.
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2014, 03:09:12 pm »

However, please consider some sort of middle course. Not too fast, not too slow. I just would like your promise to stay available for some time after those 4 weeks. Is that too much to be asked for?

It's a half-measure.
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I do not trust BCNext on this issue. History tells a different story. Successful projects take a conservative and progressive path.
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2014, 03:12:31 pm »

2) After that, you stay available for 6 further months for consulting.

We already suffer from this - people don't try to improve Nxt, they only talk about the price.


There are dozens of different people working on various different projects, businesses etc. around Nxt. People contribute where they see a need depending on their skillset. Some market, some code, some start businesses, some trade, some build websites. Do you want hundreds of people who don't know Java to start working on the core? Is it in the core where you are seeing the need for contribution that isn't being fulfilled?

People also talk about price. It's human nature. It's kind of a metric about whether the work being put in is successful enough. Is it the conflict in recent threads that has brought this on?

I thought you would retire to your desert island on 24th November 2014 after transparent forging has been implemented.
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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2014, 03:12:47 pm »

However, please consider some sort of middle course. Not too fast, not too slow. I just would like your promise to stay available for some time after those 4 weeks. Is that too much to be asked for?

It's a half-measure.
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I think you could be available for consulting, but simply just don't code anything. Just like professsor do with their student. Professor don't usually code, the student are tho. My professors, don't even look at the code I write.

And infrastructure committee should invest in broadband internet to CFB island, where ever it will be :)
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2014, 03:15:48 pm »

Well, true. But you still have to implement TF, that's a mission of honor, and you gave your word ;) After that, peaceful retirement in a tropical island :)
Valid point, in this case I should stop writing Smart Contracts and Coin Shuffling.

It seems the best option is to deliver Smart Contract and Coin Shuffling, and 95% of TF before you leave.
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2014, 03:16:32 pm »

I think you could be available for consulting, but simply just don't code anything. Just like professsor do with their student. Professor don't usually code, the student are tho. My professors, don't even look at the code I write.

This is the problem. Why do u need me? Why not someone else? Why not the community as a whole?
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2014, 03:18:11 pm »

I thought you would retire to your desert island on 24th November 2014 after transparent forging has been implemented.

Not "on", "by".
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2014, 03:18:33 pm »

I think you could be available for consulting, but simply just don't code anything. Just like professsor do with their student. Professor don't usually code, the student are tho. My professors, don't even look at the code I write.

This is the problem. Why do u need me? Why not someone else? Why not the community as a whole?


That is a philosophical question, I guess. Let us stop here and continue on Jabber on Monday.
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2014, 03:20:35 pm »

I think you could be available for consulting, but simply just don't code anything. Just like professsor do with their student. Professor don't usually code, the student are tho. My professors, don't even look at the code I write.

This is the problem. Why do u need me? Why not someone else? Why not the community as a whole?

I meant to remove responsability gradually. Not all at once. It is only that, that I wanted to say with those sentences.
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2014, 03:20:54 pm »

That is a philosophical question, I guess. Let us stop here and continue on Jabber on Monday.

Aye. Also we could invite others to take part in the process.
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2014, 03:21:53 pm »

That is a philosophical question, I guess. Let us stop here and continue on Jabber on Monday.

Aye. Also we could invite others to take part in the process.

JL? Let start the first session alone, to see where the path goes, okay?
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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2014, 03:22:06 pm »

That is a philosophical question, I guess. Let us stop here and continue on Jabber on Monday.

Aye. Also we could invite others to take part in the process.

Indeed, that would be a very good idea!
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2014, 03:22:11 pm »

I meant to remove responsability gradually. Not all at once. It is only that, that I wanted to say with those sentences.

I tried to do it gradually in the past. Check how many times I posted that we need more people working on Nxt core. This approach doesn't work.
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« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2014, 03:23:31 pm »

I meant to remove responsability gradually. Not all at once. It is only that, that I wanted to say with those sentences.

I tried to do it gradually in the past. Check how many times I posted that we need more people working on Nxt core. This approach doesn't work.

There are other approaches. We will try them in the future. I see that you need some time for yourself now.
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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2014, 03:23:37 pm »

I meant to remove responsability gradually. Not all at once. It is only that, that I wanted to say with those sentences.

I tried to do it gradually in the past. Check how many times I posted that we need more people working on Nxt core. This approach doesn't work.

Start by stopping coding new stuff. I think this would be the first step in the good direction if you want to leave in good term with you and the community.
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2014, 03:31:16 pm »

Alright, pals. I need to go now. Cya on Monday, CfB.
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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2014, 03:45:10 pm »

Valid point, in this case I should stop writing Smart Contracts and Coin Shuffling.

Sure. Don't finish Smart Contracts please. The idea of revealing NRS implementation details(SQL database) into the blockchain is just a nightmare. And nobody will use it without well-made description (tutorials / reference doc with syntax description etc / examples) & support. Probably you never made or even worked much with DSLs before. Better study how to implement them out of Nxt core.

I agree "BCNext heritage" & single person having it is a threat to Nxt. I don't understand how retirement could helps though. Just share your ideas and be a member of the open team (& btw I gues BCNext didn't want community following his initial ideas for years like zombies). We love you  :)
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« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2014, 09:18:03 am »


Come-from-Beyond:

Great. Let's start tomorrow via Jabber. There are no specs, only ideas. Make sure u get everything clear, I promise that after I answer all ur questions I won't be answering any questions regarding Nxt concept nor giving any suggestions on fixing issues related to Nxt. If u get something wrong, u'll have to find ur own solution or ask Nxt community for help. More hardcore - more fun. :)
Why not shared these ideas info to all Nxters and community?
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« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2014, 09:21:32 am »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person. If ChuckOne doesn't want to get my knowledge of Nxt then u should find someone else or sell all ur NXT. Let's set a deadline - 4 weeks starting from this moment.
So we will depend on another Nxter.
Is there any difference?
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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2014, 09:26:39 am »


We already suffer from this - people don't try to improve Nxt, they only talk about the price.

Yes,that's the fact.
It's time that tech and marketing nxters do more substantial works for Nxt.
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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2014, 09:37:43 am »

Why not shared these ideas info to all Nxters and community?

Install Jabber and join our convo.
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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2014, 07:50:48 pm »

ChuckOne should post here his Nxt account for donations.

Search for ☕ and you will find it right next to it. ;)
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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2014, 08:22:54 pm »

I'm going to retire coz of exactly this reason - to remove dependency on a single person

This is the problem. Why do u need me? Why not someone else? Why not the community as a whole?

We don't need you, we'll power on without you but you are a great asset to the community and it'd be really nice to have your help continuing work on Nxt.  You want to pop back up under another secret user name, and only work on individual features that'd be great.

I also don't feel like people see you as the one person responsible for completing Nxt or as a central point of failure.. that was once true, but not anymore.

Last I heard you were going to be helping Nxt until the TechTree was finished.. would be really nice to have your help with more features. Sad to hear you are strongly considering leaving. :(

If you've made your money and are ready to retire or see another opportunity, go for it but leaving for sake of removing depency on you?  Doesn't make sense..  Just by sharing your knowledge with ChuckOne and others, like 90% protection with me, you are decentralizing Nxt and removing that point of failure.  If you still have more knowledge after that point.. we could keep going without you, but we'd be glad to have you on board.
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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2014, 08:29:40 pm »

If you've made your money and are ready to retire or see another opportunity, go for it but leaving for sake of removing depency on you?  Doesn't make sense..  Just by sharing your knowledge with ChuckOne and others, like 90% protection with me, you are decentralizing Nxt and removing that point of failure.  If you still have more knowledge after that point.. we could keep going without you, but we'd be glad to have you on board.

It was a joke about the island and retirement, having less than half a million NXT is not enough for that. I'm going to switch to "simple Java programmer" mode. No more revelations about secret Nxt features, no explanations how Nxt works, just coding as dayjob.
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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2014, 08:33:53 pm »

No more revelations about secret Nxt features, no explanations how Nxt works, just coding as dayjob.

Are you available for hire?
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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2014, 08:51:47 pm »

Are you available for hire?

Right now no, I'm finishing unfinished things like Smart Contracts.
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« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2014, 08:52:35 pm »

Are you available for hire?

Right now no, I'm finishing unfinished things like Smart Contracts.

Yes, of course, I meant when your Nxt time is up and knowledge transferred.
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« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2014, 09:04:14 pm »

Yes, of course, I meant when your Nxt time is up and knowledge transferred.

After the knowledge is transferred I may need more time to complete already started features for NRS coz I'm dunno when 1.3 hits the testnet. Don't know if I'll be available for hire after that, too much time to plan for sure.
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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2014, 09:30:51 pm »

Yes, of course, I meant when your Nxt time is up and knowledge transferred.

After the knowledge is transferred I may need more time to complete already started features for NRS coz I'm dunno when 1.3 hits the testnet. Don't know if I'll be available for hire after that, too much time to plan for sure.

Okay, I'll check back in about a month with you.  Would you be adverse to continue working on crypto/Nxt related projects on an independent basis?
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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2014, 09:35:42 pm »

Okay, I'll check back in about a month with you.  Would you be adverse to continue working on crypto/Nxt related projects on an independent basis?

I'm going to continue my involvement into cryptos.
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« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2014, 09:44:02 pm »

Okay, I'll check back in about a month with you.  Would you be adverse to continue working on crypto/Nxt related projects on an independent basis?

I'm going to continue my involvement into cryptos.

Okay, great, will check back in. Thanks.
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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2014, 05:03:04 pm »

No more revelations about secret Nxt features, no explanations how Nxt works, just coding as dayjob.
Are you available for hire?

We really need set up an easy and efficient procedure and system to pay every core dev's work (on either project by project or monthly base). We can not expect the devs to apply for the bounties for themselves every time. There still are unpaid core devs and they need to be paid to make living and support their families.

Money should not be a problem. In the future the donation from all users will be the main source.
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