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Android/Iphone App Bounty
« on: June 10, 2014, 04:56:42 pm »

Hello  ;D

The idea of a smartphone wallet is popular and desired, see >>> https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxt-wish-list  ;D

We have an Android app that btc2nxt can't update as he is busy testing AT >>> https://nxtforum.org/alternative-clients/%28windowsandroid%29-%28nxtqq%29-nxt-client but wouldn't be against having some help

AND abuelau is doing the same for mynxt.info >>> https://nxtforum.org/alternative-clients/%28windowsandroid%29-%28nxtqq%29-nxt-client

AND Marcus03 is reusing NxtSolaris to create an Android Client >>>> https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/

AND a fourth one has come out of the woodwork, open source and working up to v0.8.x >> https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

 We have a good start to work with ;D

There seems some concern over the Bounty system has grown up, maybe comment on this too? >>>> https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/msg42674#msg42674 Marcus03 is trialing crowd funding through the AE as an alternative.


I would like to propose at least one bounty for each platform of [20,000  /  50,000  / 100,000 Nxt] (delete as appropriate) to speed up the process of getting an Android and IPhone app into the hands of the masses.

AND/OR

Invest in Marcus03 asset to support his work (see apenzl's post below)


Let's discuss.

Thanks  ;D
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 09:02:56 am by Daedelus »
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 06:47:31 am »

This is a good idea.  We need an updated Android application.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 07:36:27 am »

And fast.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 08:27:39 am »

Marcus03 launched a fundraiser on AE:
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/ 

Hi!

Status: Fund raising has started and will run between June 13th to July 13th 2014 or shorter in case I feel the project is well funded earlier.

As explained here I've pulled the plug for at least 6 months, maybe longer, for my NXTSolaris client. While it is open-source and anyone else can go on with it, I'm missing the motivation to do so, since I believe that it's wesley's client that NXT needs right now.

I wrote NXT Solaris in a way to be able to use parts of the code for mobile devices and after the recent discussion about the need for an Android client, I want to offer the following project to the NXT community:



Objective

A fully functional, open-source Android NXT wallet for Gingerbread (Android 2.3.3–2.3.7), Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.3-4.0.4), Jelly Bean (4.1.x, 4.2.x, 4.3.x) and KitKat (4.4.x) on ARMv7 devices with NEON support (see here for an incomplete list of supported devices). Transaction signing done client-side with the Android app connecting to "well-known" public NRS server without sending account secrets over the network.

Function wise, I imagine a mix between Mycelium (for Bitcoin) and wesleys excellent desktop client. Ease-of-use vs. feature overload.

The following features are planned:
 * Adding/creating multiple accounts with the option to store the account secrets in an encrypted password protected wallet on the device. Wallet backup available.
 * Support for Reed-Solomon address format.
 * Showing balances for registered accounts in NXT.
 * Showing transactions for registered accounts.
 * Contact list (account numbers with names)
 * Sending NXT
 + Support for QR codes (scan a QR address, display a QR code for an address or a receive request (address plus an amount and a description))
 + NXT corporate design
 

The following features are NOT planned:
 - Block explorer like functionality
 - Aliases (showing them, registering them, etc.)
 - Asset exchange support
 - Voting and whatever comes up next out of the core. ;-)
 - No explicit tablet support (Nexus 7/8, etc.)

 
The following features would be nice, but it's not clear yet if they can be implemented:
 O Showing balances for registered accounts in NXT, BTC, USD and EUR. Also showing exchange rates.
 O Listing in the Google Play Store as a free app (not sure about their rules yet, but this is of course vital for mainstream adoption of NXT)
 


Development Roadmap

0.) Check if I can technically compile for android (openssl libs requirements met, etc.) [DONE]
    If anyone wants to try my proof-of-concept app: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23825856/NXTWallet/NXTWallet_v0.0.apk (this is really just a mockup for the navigation and a quick test on the "Debug" page to check if the openssl requirements are met on Android - only tested on one device and an emulator yet)

I would be starting with closed source versions running against the testnet.

1.) GUI design (what is where and can it be accessed - look and styles to be done later)
2.) Implementation of items above marked with *. (releases in-between)
3.) Implementation of items above marked with +. (releases in-between)
4.) Switching to open source.
5.) Testing, bug fixes, code review (releases in-between) - the wallet setup (encryption/decryption/adding of secrets etc.) is obviously extremely important... 
5.) Switching to mainnet.
6.) Implementation of items above marked with + (QR code support and corporate design).
7.) Implementation of items above marked with O.


ETA

This is software development - don't ask. It's ready when it's ready. A rough, pessimistic estimate would be 3 to 4 months after the start.


Fund raising

I issued the asset "AndroidCli" (Asset Id:  12414770996347165541 Account: NXT-X5EB-VSL5-Z7DU-3GWTJ ) for project fund raising and put up sell orders at 1 NXT. If you want to fund this projects please buy as many assets as you want to fund in NXT. As long as the fund raising is running you can step back from funding by transfering the assets back to the issuer account NXT-X5EB-VSL5-Z7DU-3GWTJ. I will then send the NXT back to the sender account (done at least once a day, but you might want to pm me).

The fund raising will run for a maximum of one month (June 13th to July 13th 2014), but I might decide to close it earlier if I feel the project is well funded.

If I decide the project is well funded (might happen any time I see fit or after one month latest) I will no longer redeem NXT for assets transfered back to issuer account.

If I decide the project is not well funded after one month, I will cancel my sell order and put up a buy order at 1 1XT so that everyone is free to sell the asset against my buy order with minimal loss (2 NXT in transaction fees).

Change from the asset description: The asset decription states that I would put up a sell and a slightly higher buy order during the funding phase. I had missed that fractional prices are not allowed, so if you want to step back from your funding during the funding phase, please transfer your assets to the issuer account as explained above.

Thanks for considering funding my project! :-)

Cheers,
Marcus

Let's get this, Nxters!

Even the TecDev Com and MC can support this through AE ( + get the NXT back if something goes wrong)! Interested? I hope so… ;)
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 08:31:05 am by apenzl »
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 08:54:00 am »

From PM:

Hi Guys  ;D

I believe you are on the Tech Fund Committee, hopefully I have put all your names in right and you all receive this  ;D Can you have a look at my funding application thread please?

https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/androidiphone-app-bounty

Thank you

A full wallet for phones doesn't work.

Firstly, it will kill the battery. Secondly, the poor guy will have surprise when the internet bill comes (in case the person is in the 99% part of the world where free unlimited 3G/4G doesn't exist).

This is why I am developing a wallet using mynxt's API. None of these things would be a problem.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 09:13:36 am »

From PM:

Hi Guys  ;D

I believe you are on the Tech Fund Committee, hopefully I have put all your names in right and you all receive this  ;D Can you have a look at my funding application thread please?

https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/androidiphone-app-bounty

Thank you

A full wallet for phones doesn't work.

Firstly, it will kill the battery. Secondly, the poor guy will have surprise when the internet bill comes (in case the person is in the 99% part of the world where free unlimited 3G/4G doesn't exist).

This is why I am developing a wallet using mynxt's API. None of these things would be a problem.

Does he refer to forging on a mobile? Because otherwise I don't get it.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 09:18:29 am »

From PM:

Hi Guys  ;D

I believe you are on the Tech Fund Committee, hopefully I have put all your names in right and you all receive this  ;D Can you have a look at my funding application thread please?

https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/androidiphone-app-bounty

Thank you

A full wallet for phones doesn't work.

Firstly, it will kill the battery. Secondly, the poor guy will have surprise when the internet bill comes (in case the person is in the 99% part of the world where free unlimited 3G/4G doesn't exist).

This is why I am developing a wallet using mynxt's API. None of these things would be a problem.

Does he refer to forging on a mobile? Because otherwise I don't get it.

I think so. I guess we just want a lightweigt client.

(but I'm not really qualified to answer so I'll shut up  ;D )
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2014, 09:20:04 am »

From PM:

Hi Guys  ;D

I believe you are on the Tech Fund Committee, hopefully I have put all your names in right and you all receive this  ;D Can you have a look at my funding application thread please?

https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/androidiphone-app-bounty

Thank you

A full wallet for phones doesn't work.

Firstly, it will kill the battery. Secondly, the poor guy will have surprise when the internet bill comes (in case the person is in the 99% part of the world where free unlimited 3G/4G doesn't exist).

This is why I am developing a wallet using mynxt's API. None of these things would be a problem.

 ???

Could the Tech Dev please elaborate this?

This is kinda coming out of the blue after weeks of discussion, where OP even attended, and nothing like this statement has been mentioned, afaik. We're talking a wallet here, of course not a heavy all feature client for a smartphone.

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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 09:21:36 am »


Does he refer to forging on a mobile? Because otherwise I don't get it.

I think so. I guess we just want a lightweigt client.

Ok. I've added forging to the "not planned list" of my project. Didn't think someone would plan to do this.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 09:23:42 am »

Apologies if I have used the wrong word interchanagbly somewhere (app/wallet/client... etc) and confused everyone  ;D
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 10:16:34 pm »

Bump.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2014, 05:36:10 am »

I think thin mobile app is good idea. Bounty should be comparable with price for developing mobile application like that. No random slump numbers. Funding will be per each completed stage.
It is not a hard and innovative task so only result would be funded. Write more precise roadmap, get it approved and get NXT for each completed stage.

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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2014, 10:04:52 am »

Bounty should be comparable with price for developing mobile application like that. No random slump numbers.

And what would be an amount "comparable with price for developing mobile application like that" in your opinion?

It is not a hard and innovative task so only result would be funded.

I beg to differ. It is a hard and innovative task to design, write, distribute and support a mobile app that gets good ratings in an app store. This is why most apps in the app store suck.

Btw, adding it to the Google Play app store also needs you to step out of anonymity.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2014, 10:23:07 am »

Can't wait for this
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2014, 05:10:58 pm »

I think thin mobile app is good idea. Bounty should be comparable with price for developing mobile application like that. No random slump numbers. Funding will be per each completed stage.
It is not a hard and innovative task so only result would be funded. Write more precise roadmap, get it approved and get NXT for each completed stage.

yes, I would like to support this also.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2014, 05:50:36 pm »

I think thin mobile app is good idea. Bounty should be comparable with price for developing mobile application like that. No random slump numbers. Funding will be per each completed stage.
It is not a hard and innovative task so only result would be funded. Write more precise roadmap, get it approved and get NXT for each completed stage.

yes, I would like to support this also.

I back this plan too!  I think it's imperative to get a simple, working, pretty, elegant, graceful client out to mobile platforms.  It will speed adoption if someone can be like, hey, <friend's name>, check this out on my phone.  I have future money that I can send to anybody from anywhere with the push of a button!  You should try it to.  It's super simple.

Keep the end-users as the primary focus.  As a NXT client end-user, how would you use the app, what value do you get from it?
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2014, 08:48:40 am »

Hello  ;D

The idea of a smartphone wallet is popular and desired, see >>> https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxt-wish-list  ;D

We have an Android app that btc2nxt can't update as he is busy testing AT >>> https://nxtforum.org/alternative-clients/%28windowsandroid%29-%28nxtqq%29-nxt-client but wouldn't be against having some help

AND abuelau is doing the same for mynxt.info >>> https://nxtforum.org/alternative-clients/%28windowsandroid%29-%28nxtqq%29-nxt-client

AND Marcus03 is reusing NxtSolaris to create an Android Client >>>> https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/

AND a fourth one has come out of the woodwork, open source and working up to v0.8.x >> https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

 We have a good start to work with ;D

There seems some concern over the Bounty system has grown up, maybe comment on this too? >>>> https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/msg42674#msg42674 Marcus03 is trialing crowd funding through the AE as an alternative.


I would like to propose at least one bounty for each platform of [20,000  /  50,000  / 100,000 Nxt] (delete as appropriate) to speed up the process of getting an Android and IPhone app into the hands of the masses.

AND/OR

Invest in Marcus03 asset to support his work (see apenzl's post below)


Let's discuss.

Thanks  ;D

Why is this not being looked at immediately and get on with it? Maybe i am not aware that there are some kind of time frame to review applications for bounty. But then this mobile app is considered as a very critical and important part of Nxt infrastructure in absorbing new users and functionality. Please help to look into this.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 01:29:02 am »

I'll bring it up during the next meeting.
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Re: Android/Iphone App Bounty
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 06:42:51 am »

My Android wallet app project is now funded and I will go ahead with this. :-)

See: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/msg42155/#msg42155

Cheers,
Marcus


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https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/project-ideaoffer-nxt-wallet-for-android/ 

Hi!

Status: Fund raising has started and will run between June 13th to July 13th 2014 or shorter in case I feel the project is well funded earlier.

As explained here I've pulled the plug for at least 6 months, maybe longer, for my NXTSolaris client. While it is open-source and anyone else can go on with it, I'm missing the motivation to do so, since I believe that it's wesley's client that NXT needs right now.

I wrote NXT Solaris in a way to be able to use parts of the code for mobile devices and after the recent discussion about the need for an Android client, I want to offer the following project to the NXT community:



Objective

A fully functional, open-source Android NXT wallet for Gingerbread (Android 2.3.3–2.3.7), Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.3-4.0.4), Jelly Bean (4.1.x, 4.2.x, 4.3.x) and KitKat (4.4.x) on ARMv7 devices with NEON support (see here for an incomplete list of supported devices). Transaction signing done client-side with the Android app connecting to "well-known" public NRS server without sending account secrets over the network.

Function wise, I imagine a mix between Mycelium (for Bitcoin) and wesleys excellent desktop client. Ease-of-use vs. feature overload.

The following features are planned:
 * Adding/creating multiple accounts with the option to store the account secrets in an encrypted password protected wallet on the device. Wallet backup available.
 * Support for Reed-Solomon address format.
 * Showing balances for registered accounts in NXT.
 * Showing transactions for registered accounts.
 * Contact list (account numbers with names)
 * Sending NXT
 + Support for QR codes (scan a QR address, display a QR code for an address or a receive request (address plus an amount and a description))
 + NXT corporate design
 

The following features are NOT planned:
 - Block explorer like functionality
 - Aliases (showing them, registering them, etc.)
 - Asset exchange support
 - Voting and whatever comes up next out of the core. ;-)
 - No explicit tablet support (Nexus 7/8, etc.)

 
The following features would be nice, but it's not clear yet if they can be implemented:
 O Showing balances for registered accounts in NXT, BTC, USD and EUR. Also showing exchange rates.
 O Listing in the Google Play Store as a free app (not sure about their rules yet, but this is of course vital for mainstream adoption of NXT)
 


Development Roadmap

0.) Check if I can technically compile for android (openssl libs requirements met, etc.) [DONE]
    If anyone wants to try my proof-of-concept app: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23825856/NXTWallet/NXTWallet_v0.0.apk (this is really just a mockup for the navigation and a quick test on the "Debug" page to check if the openssl requirements are met on Android - only tested on one device and an emulator yet)

I would be starting with closed source versions running against the testnet.

1.) GUI design (what is where and can it be accessed - look and styles to be done later)
2.) Implementation of items above marked with *. (releases in-between)
3.) Implementation of items above marked with +. (releases in-between)
4.) Switching to open source.
5.) Testing, bug fixes, code review (releases in-between) - the wallet setup (encryption/decryption/adding of secrets etc.) is obviously extremely important... 
5.) Switching to mainnet.
6.) Implementation of items above marked with + (QR code support and corporate design).
7.) Implementation of items above marked with O.


ETA

This is software development - don't ask. It's ready when it's ready. A rough, pessimistic estimate would be 3 to 4 months after the start.


Fund raising

I issued the asset "AndroidCli" (Asset Id:  12414770996347165541 Account: NXT-X5EB-VSL5-Z7DU-3GWTJ ) for project fund raising and put up sell orders at 1 NXT. If you want to fund this projects please buy as many assets as you want to fund in NXT. As long as the fund raising is running you can step back from funding by transfering the assets back to the issuer account NXT-X5EB-VSL5-Z7DU-3GWTJ. I will then send the NXT back to the sender account (done at least once a day, but you might want to pm me).

The fund raising will run for a maximum of one month (June 13th to July 13th 2014), but I might decide to close it earlier if I feel the project is well funded.

If I decide the project is well funded (might happen any time I see fit or after one month latest) I will no longer redeem NXT for assets transfered back to issuer account.

If I decide the project is not well funded after one month, I will cancel my sell order and put up a buy order at 1 1XT so that everyone is free to sell the asset against my buy order with minimal loss (2 NXT in transaction fees).

Change from the asset description: The asset decription states that I would put up a sell and a slightly higher buy order during the funding phase. I had missed that fractional prices are not allowed, so if you want to step back from your funding during the funding phase, please transfer your assets to the issuer account as explained above.

Thanks for considering funding my project! :-)

Cheers,
Marcus

Let's get this, Nxters!

Even the TecDev Com and MC can support this through AE ( + get the NXT back if something goes wrong)! Interested? I hope so… ;)
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