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Title: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on May 21, 2014, 07:37:24 pm
I will post stuff here from now on

Edit: Since there will be delays and the names have changed I will post 1 more pic...Screen shot of front end tests..still very rickety:

(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/bl12p0cnpmxyjan/supertestscreen.jpg)
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: DLXS on May 23, 2014, 01:08:54 am
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now. I have written about it a lot (I've been involved in poker markets quite a lot), and rakeback is not the way to go. It's clearly the biggest marketing tool but at the same time it should be avoided whenever possible. As from the beginning you can't have lots of traffic/stakes open etc, I wouldn't start here for sure. Later, yes, not now. There's a looong way to compite vs. pokerstars.

PS: Nice layout!
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: rickyjames on May 23, 2014, 03:54:25 am
You're gonna list amounts in $ dollars instead of NXT?

How are people buying into the game?  By buying NXT or dollars?  Because if it's dollars, how are they going to deposit from the US?  That would require getting around the anti-poker laws passed to limit US bank participation in processing gaming deposits and withdrawals...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for going with NXTpoker instead of NXTdice poker...
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: megashira1 on May 23, 2014, 05:15:56 am
looks nice keep up the good work.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: MyZhre on May 23, 2014, 02:47:39 pm
Thanks for the new name  ;D,
one more question, will we play $ or Nxt?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: JedClampett on May 23, 2014, 02:50:38 pm
Thanks for the new name  ;D,
one more question, will we play $ or Nxt?

Suggestion: Nxt--to many rules for $$.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: CoinTropololis_JustaBit on May 23, 2014, 02:59:13 pm
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now. I have written about it a lot (I've been involved in poker markets quite a lot), and rakeback is not the way to go. It's clearly the biggest marketing tool but at the same time it should be avoided whenever possible. As from the beginning you can't have lots of traffic/stakes open etc, I wouldn't start here for sure. Later, yes, not now. There's a looong way to compite vs. pokerstars.

PS: Nice layout!

As I've mentioned in previous threads, I play mid-highstakes (2000nl). ** I ** have 0 interest in rakeback, in fact, when they try to scan my card at local casinos, the hourly comps (similar to rakeback) isn't even worth me cracking the wallet to find the card.  Most mid/high stakes players feel that way.

However, the low stakes players (the bread and butter of any poker site), LOVE rakeback. Some are able to break even because of rakeback which keeps them playing longer. I understand your feeling about rakeback, however, I wouldn't discount it by a long shot.  True, some established sites have removed rakeback but they replace it with other types of rewards:

- Aces cracked
- Bad Beat Jackpots
- Steel wheel bonus
- Deposit bonus

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: DLXS on May 23, 2014, 03:13:08 pm
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now. I have written about it a lot (I've been involved in poker markets quite a lot), and rakeback is not the way to go. It's clearly the biggest marketing tool but at the same time it should be avoided whenever possible. As from the beginning you can't have lots of traffic/stakes open etc, I wouldn't start here for sure. Later, yes, not now. There's a looong way to compite vs. pokerstars.

PS: Nice layout!

As I've mentioned in previous threads, I play mid-highstakes (2000nl). ** I ** have 0 interest in rakeback, in fact, when they try to scan my card at local casinos, the hourly comps (similar to rakeback) isn't even worth me cracking the wallet to find the card.  Most mid/high stakes players feel that way.

However, the low stakes players (the bread and butter of any poker site), LOVE rakeback. Some are able to break even because of rakeback which keeps them playing longer. I understand your feeling about rakeback, however, I wouldn't discount it by a long shot.  True, some established sites have removed rakeback but they replace it with other types of rewards:

- Aces cracked
- Bad Beat Jackpots
- Steel wheel bonus
- Deposit bonus

Just my 2 cents.

I play up to 2k too ;P What site do you play?
Rakeback makes sense later, but not to get started. Let's take a look at 888. Even if they would offer big rakeback (which is not the case) you can't rake there much because there's not much traffic. First, traffic, once we have it, then rakeback to keep people playing.

Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: CoinTropololis_JustaBit on May 23, 2014, 03:40:48 pm
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now. I have written about it a lot (I've been involved in poker markets quite a lot), and rakeback is not the way to go. It's clearly the biggest marketing tool but at the same time it should be avoided whenever possible. As from the beginning you can't have lots of traffic/stakes open etc, I wouldn't start here for sure. Later, yes, not now. There's a looong way to compite vs. pokerstars.

PS: Nice layout!

As I've mentioned in previous threads, I play mid-highstakes (2000nl). ** I ** have 0 interest in rakeback, in fact, when they try to scan my card at local casinos, the hourly comps (similar to rakeback) isn't even worth me cracking the wallet to find the card.  Most mid/high stakes players feel that way.

However, the low stakes players (the bread and butter of any poker site), LOVE rakeback. Some are able to break even because of rakeback which keeps them playing longer. I understand your feeling about rakeback, however, I wouldn't discount it by a long shot.  True, some established sites have removed rakeback but they replace it with other types of rewards:

- Aces cracked
- Bad Beat Jackpots
- Steel wheel bonus
- Deposit bonus

Just my 2 cents.

I play up to 2k too ;P What site do you play?
Rakeback makes sense later, but not to get started. Let's take a look at 888. Even if they would offer big rakeback (which is not the case) you can't rake there much because there's not much traffic. First, traffic, once we have it, then rakeback to keep people playing.

Bovada, I like the 10/20 short tables and the 30/60 limit once in a blue moon (freaking limit drives me mad).

I understand your point, I just think it's a gamble when other crypto poker sites offer a type of rakeback such as SealswithClubs with their krill system.

- You're right, it won't make much difference for hardcore NXT fans that just want to actually spend it.. we're in agreement there
- For Bitcoiners, why bother when I have Seals with Clubs
- For USD, well.. that's what Bovada and their creative depositing methods are for
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: ShawnLeary on May 26, 2014, 03:52:00 am
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now. I have written about it a lot (I've been involved in poker markets quite a lot), and rakeback is not the way to go. It's clearly the biggest marketing tool but at the same time it should be avoided whenever possible. As from the beginning you can't have lots of traffic/stakes open etc, I wouldn't start here for sure. Later, yes, not now. There's a looong way to compite vs. pokerstars.

PS: Nice layout!

As I've mentioned in previous threads, I play mid-highstakes (2000nl). ** I ** have 0 interest in rakeback, in fact, when they try to scan my card at local casinos, the hourly comps (similar to rakeback) isn't even worth me cracking the wallet to find the card.  Most mid/high stakes players feel that way.

However, the low stakes players (the bread and butter of any poker site), LOVE rakeback. Some are able to break even because of rakeback which keeps them playing longer. I understand your feeling about rakeback, however, I wouldn't discount it by a long shot.  True, some established sites have removed rakeback but they replace it with other types of rewards:

- Aces cracked
- Bad Beat Jackpots
- Steel wheel bonus
- Deposit bonus

Just my 2 cents.

I hate seeing that dollar stolen from every pot for the bad beat jackpot at my local room; however, it does put people in the seats.  It's akin to people wanting to play Powerball more when the jackpot is larger even though the odds haven't change.

Also, I loved earning all of those t-shirts on Stars (back when we could play) with my tournament points or whatever they handed out.   also will need to port stats out to officialpokerrankings.com. 

BTW, keep up the good work.  I will leave the "displaying bets in USD" to someone else, but IMHO as long as you never handle USD in or out, should be fine.  A think one site calls them Universal Serial Donations or some BS :)

Hey, no rush or anything, but : http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/could-pokerstars-merge-amaya-gaming-589578/
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: megashira1 on May 26, 2014, 05:52:28 pm
Games should be denominated in NXT with $value in captions as the value of NXT is in constant flux. Bankroll: 10,000NXT ($400).
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on May 27, 2014, 03:27:56 pm
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now...

Its ok to disagree, everyone is entiletiled to thoughts...The correct term is churn rate the actual number of people who are playing with real cash to support a constant or improved profit(token holders?  ;) ). This makes the all the difference when combined with gamification: system of leaderboards and achievements to incentivize even more cash activity. The first release definitely will not have this systems in place, but the first production ready client will...it is one one of the reasons why a brand new entrant like this will likely compete with the top dogs. That and the provable fairness, UX and tournament prizes/ schedules...of course thats a whole new discussion...There are actual facts, research and documentation on the effect of gamification on churn rate when applied properly in the right context...The rakeback provides the perfect context. Hey I was only ceo, marketer, finance, developer in my last Legacy startup 3 years ago utilizing these mechanics, but what do I know?

Thanks the layout it took a lot of time and concepting.

ps..I do not think we have a long way to go at all, as long as all the pieces fall in place..just watch the threads for updates..I think yo will be suprised
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on May 27, 2014, 03:43:06 pm
You're gonna list amounts in $ dollars instead of NXT?

How are people buying into the game?  By buying NXT or dollars?  Because if it's dollars, how are they going to deposit from the US?  That would require getting around the anti-poker laws passed to limit US bank participation in processing gaming deposits and withdrawals...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for going with NXTpoker instead of NXTdice poker...

 :) Yeah branding is pretty important..I sought input earlier but no one responded. its fixed now though. NxtPoker

Its all about NXT here...no old world currency, Nxt are bought using bitcoin/or USD and sent to AN AT account...The only thing USD is useful for is denomination this is important Psychologically  to traditional poker players who know nothing about bitcoin, talkless of NXT...We live in a bubble, something many do not want to admit.

Thanks for the new name  ;D,
one more question, will we play $ or Nxt?

Nxt but captioned in USD

Games should be denominated in NXT with $value in captions as the value of NXT is in constant flux. Bankroll: 10,000NXT ($400).

Exactly
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: DLXS on May 27, 2014, 04:43:49 pm
Answering your last post towards me, ok. I only disagree your thoughts about rakeback. Rakeback is good to keep people playing but that's not what you need now...

Its ok to disagree, everyone is entiletiled to thoughts...The correct term is churn rate the actual number of people who are playing with real cash to support a constant or improved profit(token holders?  ;) ). This makes the all the difference when combined with gamification: system of leaderboards and achievements to incentivize even more cash activity. The first release definitely will not have this systems in place, but the first production ready client will...it is one one of the reasons why a brand new entrant like this will likely compete with the top dogs. That and the provable fairness, UX and tournament prizes/ schedules...of course thats a whole new discussion...There are actual facts, research and documentation on the effect of gamification on churn rate when applied properly in the right context...The rakeback provides the perfect context. Hey I was only ceo, marketer, finance, developer in my last Legacy startup 3 years ago utilizing these mechanics, but what do I know?

Thanks the layout it took a lot of time and concepting.

ps..I do not think we have a long way to go at all, as long as all the pieces fall in place..just watch the threads for updates..I think yo will be suprised

I can't agree more on your comment. I've been involved with poker schools (pokers.strategy and educa.poker) and poker players (I'm top coach at spanish community) and sometimes with poker rooms too. And that's the right path. Leaderboards and stuff like that are extremely profitable. Even me, who plays mid-high stakes regularly, was trying to 'rake a bit more' for a stupid t-shirt from 888 that I never even wore once. But hey, I wanted the t-shirt. The problem with rakeback is that it's not used in the right direction for 9x% of the poker rooms. If you can use google translate, I wrote a few hints about what I think here: http://theultimatemind.com/2012/06/13/es-bueno-el-rakeback-y-los-sistemas-vip-para-las-salas-de-poker/ As stated in the beginning "it has advantages for the poker room, but it's planned poorly".
Title: Thread: Main
Post by: ZeroTheGreat on May 28, 2014, 08:23:39 pm
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.
Title: Re: Thread: Main
Post by: megashira1 on May 28, 2014, 08:54:28 pm
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.

rakeback IS low rake.
Title: Re: Thread: Main
Post by: DLXS on May 29, 2014, 11:18:45 pm
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.

rakeback IS low rake.

That's not true. Rakeback is rake already paid. It's better to not charge it froM the beginning because recreational people who won't have rakeback (and  don't tell me about flat rakeback because that's the worst thing ever) is charged, diminishing their balances for no reason at all (at least for nothing that benefits them). Your statement is actually pretty nonsense, no offense :/ But it's an absurd comparation.
Title: Re: Thread: Main
Post by: megashira1 on May 29, 2014, 11:55:03 pm
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.

rakeback IS low rake.

That's not true. Rakeback is rake already paid. It's better to not charge it froM the beginning because recreational people who won't have rakeback (and  don't tell me about flat rakeback because that's the worst thing ever) is charged, diminishing their balances for no reason at all (at least for nothing that benefits them). Your statement is actually pretty nonsense, no offense :/ But it's an absurd comparation.

A rakeback system such as is implemented by PokerStars (although it is not called rakeback, players do indeed get a portion of their rake-back through various means; and I do view it as rakeback when I calculate my overall ROI) I feel is the best avenue to go.. Promotes healthy games and keeps money within the system.

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It's better to not charge it from the beginning because recreational people who won't have rakeback is charged, diminishing their balances for no reason at all (at least for nothing that benefits them)

I'm operating from the standpoint where all players get some form of rake back either in points, freerolls, etc etc... And if a truly traditional rakeback system was implemented, and the recreational player did indeed miss out, what's wrong with him paying rake and investors profiting??? "Games will dry up faster and it's bad for the ecosystem" perhaps, but do you have any research to support this?.. Not from my experience. From my experience the recreational degenerate isn't even conscious of how much they lose to rake and are more than happy to go into debt to refill their balances due to their gambling addiction.

I do believe at the beginning however, rake should be extremely low or non-existent to provide a competitive edge within the market.
Title: Re: Thread: Main
Post by: DLXS on May 30, 2014, 04:02:07 am
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.

rakeback IS low rake.

That's not true. Rakeback is rake already paid. It's better to not charge it froM the beginning because recreational people who won't have rakeback (and  don't tell me about flat rakeback because that's the worst thing ever) is charged, diminishing their balances for no reason at all (at least for nothing that benefits them). Your statement is actually pretty nonsense, no offense :/ But it's an absurd comparation.

A rakeback system such as is implemented by PokerStars (although it is not called rakeback, players do indeed get a portion of their rake-back through various means; and I do view it as rakeback when I calculate my overall ROI) I feel is the best avenue to go.. Promotes healthy games and keeps money within the system.
That is true, +1

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It's better to not charge it from the beginning because recreational people who won't have rakeback is charged, diminishing their balances for no reason at all (at least for nothing that benefits them)

I'm operating from the standpoint where all players get some form of rake back either in points, freerolls, etc etc... And if a truly traditional rakeback system was implemented, and the recreational player did indeed miss out, what's wrong with him paying rake and investors profiting??? "Games will dry up faster and it's bad for the ecosystem" perhaps, but do you have any research to support this?.. Not from my experience. From my experience the recreational degenerate isn't even conscious of how much they lose to rake and are more than happy to go into debt to refill their balances due to their gambling addiction.

I do believe at the beginning however, rake should be extremely low or non-existent to provide a competitive edge within the market.

Do not offer flat rakeback like 30%. People know they will always have the same so no incentives for playing more or less, people will play the same as 0% rakeback (almost). Rakeback is based on achievements and gaps between levels (like at PokerStars, from 2x% to 3x% to 4x% depending on your vip level).

You should have freerolls, t-shirts (as rakeback) or other stuff like that. This can be from the beginning even if you want (though I would suggest to add only very basic stuff like NXT T-shirts and freerolls specially, but not much more). What I'm saying is do not create a full system based on rakeback like Supernova on PokerStars. This system is created in order to mantain people playing for one year. At the beginning, what is needed is people playing (therefore, lots of freerolls as they play for free, NXT T-shirts to show how cool you are, key rings, etc).

Recreational player don't know how much they lose. That's true. But that doesn't matter at all. I assume someone raking like crazy (imagine a regular who plays 3hours per day) will have higher rakeback than someone playing once per week (otherwise we are back to flat rakeback and therefore, no incentives, bad). So, let's say you have a full ecosystem working here. Recreational players won't realise they pay Xbb/100 of rake and won't care at all. However, sum up 1000  recreational players. Assuming your rake is Xbbs/100, maybe they lose about (I make this up because it depends on number of hands/stakes they play) 100$ rake per month each one. That's 100.000$. If your rake is 0.7xbb/100, they are only losing 70.000$. Ok, individually they will never know they have got 30k$ back. But from an ecology point of view, they have 30k$ more to play, split into 1000 people. That's a shit loads of money. Don't underestime that because they are the only ones who will keep the games running. Without recreational players, no games. Regulars will rarely play without them. So by lowering rake only 30%, you won lots of money and much better ecology system.

Of course, the problem is that poker room will receive less money as they are charging less. Well, here is where you need to find an equilibrium, ofc. It's not easy. However, pay more rake in order to offer more rakeback is a mistake because this only goes to regulars (as newbies won't really have/shouldn't have proper rakeback) and recreationals (overall) lose money faster and therefore, quit the game sooner = regs can't play. And all of this behind recreationals back.

Summing up:

Do not increase rake to offer more rakeback (I'm not saying you shouldn't offer it at all, but that it should be minimum)
Your poker room will work depending on how many DEPOSITS you have -nothing else than that- therefore, most of your efforts need (specially initially) to be focused on this
Small rakeback focused on recreationals is ++++. Offer lots of freerolls even for cents, just for fun. NXT T-shirts, poker-room t-shirts, key rings, cups, whatever you can think of which is cheap but people would like to have/show off. People like to brag about their skills, offer them this possibility. Forget about difficult vip systems for regulars. What you need is people depositing, regulars come along afterwards
If you have recreational players, you will have regulars. You will scarcely need to call them
At that moment, you can add rakeback vip system or w/e in order to encourage them to keep playing so they achieve the next status/higher rakeback/blabla
Low rakeback (as long as it's enough to keep the company running) is better because allows recreational players to last longer playing, as a group

I attach a picture that may clarify all of this (forget about the tax point, I did it for the spanish market):

(http://theultimatemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/investment-into-deposits-3.jpg)

Hints: Italian/French/Spanish market are going down and down because of high rakeback (due to tax imposition) and are losing more and more market for 2-3 years in a row (and has never been positive).
You can read a bit more about poker ecology here (use google translate, ask questions if you have): http://theultimatemind.com/2012/05/29/como-las-salas-de-poquer-online-ganan-dinero-ecologia-del-poquer-y-mas-parte-i/ and here http://theultimatemind.com/2012/05/30/como-las-salas-de-poquer-online-ganan-dinero-en-espana-ecologia-del-poquer-y-mas-parte-ii/

An option could be to try to gain mass adoption (like zynga poker, people playing for fun and free maybe) and then switch to "real money games". What you need, again, is people enjoying yor poker game and planning to deposit sooner or later. If you have an audience of a few thousand players playing for fun shouldn't be that difficult and the process will be more natural. Otherwise, with no affiliates bringing you people, it will be harder.

I'm a bit busy this month because I'm getting married by the end of June. However, I offer my help here with whatever you need that can be related to this (vip systems, poker rooms, ecology, blabla). I haven't code for a while so can't do that, but may be able to help in those other areas. Just ask whatever you need and I will try to answer as soon as I can.

PS: Always re-check and think yourself what I say, of course :) I've been heavily involved with poker (It's my only income, I play online poker for a living and have been heavily involved with poker schools , magazines, sometimes poker rooms etc), but I may be mistaken, you can proof me wrong :) It will be good, it will mean things have been properly thought out (not sure this is the right english expression lol) :)

Hope it was helpful
Title: Thread: Main
Post by: ZeroTheGreat on May 31, 2014, 06:43:46 pm
+1 to non-rakeback gaming. I'm voting for as low rake as possible. Interested in FL.

And see a mistype at sceenshot: "foled" in "Dealer Chat" window.

rakeback IS low rake.
Nope. Rakeback is hadrly visible handcuffs. Low rake is low rake  :P
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: 4passion on June 05, 2014, 07:16:50 pm
just subscribing, i've been working on this to the best i can from the players perspective i should have a lot to add...lemme get caught up first. 
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: megashira1 on June 12, 2014, 09:24:03 pm
what's going on with this?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on June 12, 2014, 09:26:43 pm
patience
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: ShawnLeary on June 17, 2014, 11:33:01 pm
we are hungry for NXT poker, the killer app for widespread early adoption :)
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: devphp on June 22, 2014, 05:01:40 am
patience

is a virtue :)
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Ezravdb on June 26, 2014, 06:56:14 am
patience

is a virtue :)


Yup..
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: IAMADMIN on July 31, 2014, 12:02:18 am
hi,

do you need any help?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on July 31, 2014, 01:59:14 am
hi,

do you need any help?

hi, yes soon. how can you help? are you a programmer? pm for deets
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: jungian on August 11, 2014, 11:53:25 am
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on August 11, 2014, 01:29:09 pm
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: jungian on August 11, 2014, 01:30:42 pm
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now

That's great! Looking forward to hearing
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Berzerk on August 16, 2014, 08:47:07 am
??
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: rudeboi on August 19, 2014, 12:22:06 pm
Looking forward to an update.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: yassin54 on August 19, 2014, 04:39:27 pm
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now

all in or not all in  ;D ;D ;D

plz update
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: jungian on August 22, 2014, 11:50:52 am
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now


Come on news!
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: bitcoinpaul on August 22, 2014, 01:26:58 pm
U can do it. Give us an update with fancy new pictures!
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: jungian on August 25, 2014, 04:48:28 pm
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now


Come on news!


Oh god, why won't you guys speak up and take our money?!
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 12:00:06 am
U can do it. Give us an update with fancy new pictures!

ok just to satiate you...some earlier design revisions :

(http://i.imgur.com/tCDmFN0.jpg)
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 12:16:46 am
Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now

That's great! Looking forward to hearing

??

Looking forward to an update.

Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now

all in or not all in  ;D ;D ;D

plz update

Is it possible to get some updates on the development?

a number of updates coming up by next week and stark should be coming online any minute now


Come on news!


Sorry guys so progress had been delayed slightly by some personal external factor affecting project development, However I have been moving forward here and there..I am now on track for the original deadline given some issues are solved...


Seems stark was hesitant to continue to post after his attendance at certain meetups and talks with several counsels. We maintained communication and as he said earlier today, has decided to continue on after bolstering his secure setup. He should be online any minute now..for real this time, talked to him about 2 hours ago through email...
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 12:29:25 am



edited time extension timer obsolete

Given the work on network topological optimization, code obfuscation and improving user feedback this is a fair assessment on the delivery date of the test client..If not it would not be off by more than 2 days before the client is released...


Edit: Since some people might ask. code obfuscation is necessary because initially it will be proprietary software owned primarily by nxt community, this does not mean that other communities wouldn't be a part of it however... token holders can later decide on a later date to open source, if they choose to... all this according to  stark, don't kill the messenger  :P

I know to a dedicated engineer, tis means nothing
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Isildur23 on September 11, 2014, 01:37:09 am
I was waitnig for this so impatiently! This is going to be huge for Nxt, for poker, for everyone!
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Post by: Stark Industries on September 11, 2014, 01:38:15 am
All wheels are in motion now, I am back
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Post by: nxtrules on September 11, 2014, 02:47:36 am
Is there an asset associated with this project?
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Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 11, 2014, 06:37:25 am
finally. nice!
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Post by: rudeboi on September 11, 2014, 06:38:07 am
Looks very nice!  Thanks for the update
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Post by: BaiMangal on September 11, 2014, 12:57:42 pm
cannt wait to start playing on it!
NXT FTW
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Post by: jungian on September 11, 2014, 01:31:51 pm
For the first time ever I think I'm going to use the word: killer app!

Can't wait to try it out and invest.
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Post by: devphp on September 11, 2014, 01:33:57 pm
I don't usually play poker, but when I do, I play NXT poker.
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Post by: Fatih87SK on September 11, 2014, 02:00:36 pm
Exciting!
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Post by: gs02xzz on September 11, 2014, 04:59:29 pm
All wheels are in motion now, I am back

You mentioned before that you needed either Smart Contract or AT in place to finish your project. Do you still need either of them before your project goes live?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 05:16:52 pm
All wheels are in motion now, I am back

You mentioned before that you needed either Smart Contract or AT in place to finish your project. Do you still need either of them before your project goes live?

Smart Contract, AT or Kushti's schemes are needed for the live production version only to automate payouts, disbursement and accounting help ...this version is just a demo to play with the features and it still will be by no means complete
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Post by: Jimmy2011 on September 11, 2014, 05:25:20 pm

Can't wait for it, even it is a demo
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Post by: msin on September 11, 2014, 05:50:42 pm
All wheels are in motion now, I am back

You mentioned before that you needed either Smart Contract or AT in place to finish your project. Do you still need either of them before your project goes live?

Smart Contract, AT or Kushti's schemes are needed for the live production version only to automate payouts, disbursement and accounting help ...this version is just a demo to play with the features and it still will be by no means complete

I'd also talk with Sergey at SecureAE, he's pretty involved in the way SC works for dividends, etc.. and would be able to help you guys out if needed.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: prometheus on September 11, 2014, 06:19:08 pm
I'm not a poker player..but this will be huge for adoption


will there be an asset for this? I'm assuming not since it's almost completed..
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Post by: LiQio on September 11, 2014, 06:42:05 pm
Screenshot looks great - especially like the displayed NXT-USD exchange rate  ;D
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 06:46:47 pm
All wheels are in motion now, I am back

You mentioned before that you needed either Smart Contract or AT in place to finish your project. Do you still need either of them before your project goes live?

Smart Contract, AT or Kushti's schemes are needed for the live production version only to automate payouts, disbursement and accounting help ...this version is just a demo to play with the features and it still will be by no means complete

I'd also talk with Sergey at SecureAE, he's pretty involved in the way SC works for dividends, etc.. and would be able to help you guys out if needed.

Definitely..but we are not even at the stage yet but will definitely keep that in mind
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 11, 2014, 06:48:20 pm
I'm not a poker player..but this will be huge for adoption


will there be an asset for this? I'm assuming not since it's almost completed..

Its not completed its just a demo.... stark posted a link for this:  https://nxtforum.org/stark-industries-(nxtdice)/nxdice-nxtpoker-correction-reissuance-ip-assignment/
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: prometheus on September 11, 2014, 09:03:48 pm
I'm not a poker player..but this will be huge for adoption


will there be an asset for this? I'm assuming not since it's almost completed..

Its not completed its just a demo.... stark posted a link for this:  https://nxtforum.org/stark-industries-(nxtdice)/nxdice-nxtpoker-correction-reissuance-ip-assignment/

Ok, I found the asset 18210418789974790668

is this an official asset?

And do you plan on selling any?
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Stark Industries on September 11, 2014, 09:13:40 pm
I'm not a poker player..but this will be huge for adoption


will there be an asset for this? I'm assuming not since it's almost completed..

Its not completed its just a demo.... stark posted a link for this:  https://nxtforum.org/stark-industries-(nxtdice)/nxdice-nxtpoker-correction-reissuance-ip-assignment/

Ok, I found the asset 18210418789974790668

is this an official asset?

And do you plan on selling any?

No those have been sent to the genesis


its: 8960692361148247106  and I will relase the tokens when ola releases a client
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on September 24, 2014, 12:23:32 am
           
obsolete
edited


Ok guys here is the deal, I haven't had time to focus on development, I want you to ask you to excuse the delay yet again.  Between real world ties to settle financial obligations, this mean constant side gigs, time lost, a little time to catchup with nxt happenings and keep continuos focus developing…Now I am sick and tired of delaying I know you are too, that is why i have informed stark to arrange something so I can focus all my energy on this app. If you have emailed him then you are already aware of what I refer to. Its been several months now, some days I made progress other were just the regular perpetual hamster wheel in fiat world trying to pay bills.

So last week I severed all ties to regular daily gig due to Starks proposition. so now I reset the time yet again please forgive. But I really cannot wait to released this thing for feedback so off to work I go. Now i have some added task said from the poker development, that is why the time delay is further, but it is important for the project. If I get close to the dealing without working on these other task I would have enlist someone help or provide a bounty

To make up for the delay I told stark to go ahead and post the mountain of info I helped work on, which he already was going to post thinking that i was ready with the client. There is more information coming out this week in the from of video and inforgraphic just to make up for lack of a client appearance
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: rudeboi on September 24, 2014, 05:57:49 pm
Looking forward to more info and the release.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on October 06, 2014, 09:19:00 pm
(http://gifcountdown.com/america-nassau/1413518400/141414/0f0f0f/aaaaaa/fdfdfd/faedad/true/counter.gif)

So we'd have to postpone the release again for about a ~week (sorry guys) since I barely touched a line of code last week due to extensive work I had to help Stark with. I am basically helping out with stuff so that the board can take over and for the organization to become more autonomous. I am sure he will verify this..

However we have covered a lot of other grounds in other areas, some on Stark's side a lot on my side which is administrative in nature, i tried to avoid this... so a ton more info coming this week…the good news is we have enough developers now should every piece fit in place. There about 7 qualified developer candidates now. Learn more here :     https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=5301.msg113485#msg113485
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Stark Industries on October 07, 2014, 06:37:01 pm
(http://gifcountdown.com/america-nassau/1413518400/141414/0f0f0f/aaaaaa/fdfdfd/faedad/true/counter.gif)

So we'd have to postpone the release again for about a ~week (sorry guys) since I barely touched a line of code last week due to extensive work I had to help Stark with. I am basically helping out with stuff so that the board can take over and for the organization to become more autonomous. I am sure he will verify this..

However we have covered a lot of other grounds in other areas, some on Stark's side a lot on my side which is administrative in nature, i tried to avoid this... so a ton more info coming this week…the good news is we have enough developers now should every piece fit in place. There about 7 qualified developer candidates now. Learn more here :     https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=5301.msg113485#msg113485

Confirmed. And we do have more dev candidates now
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 07, 2014, 06:39:48 pm
Ihave a question,
Do you have a plan if SC never come out. It is not that I think it won't come out. I just want to know if you have a plan in that case.
Thanks.
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Post by: Stark Industries on October 07, 2014, 06:49:21 pm
ola?
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Post by: Sebastien256 on October 07, 2014, 06:53:03 pm
ola?

what those three letter meain. sorry not used to english abbreviation.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on October 07, 2014, 07:53:59 pm
Ihave a question,
Do you have a plan if SC never come out. It is not that I think it won't come out. I just want to know if you have a plan in that case.
Thanks.

This is highly unlikely due to several proposed options...There is the SC proposal, Kusti's FSM (I am not sure if Kushti joined forces with cfb SC they sound like the same thing since they will use database SQL)  or The NXT AT, either way all these proposals if implemented will enable complex computations on the blockchain which is secured by the forging mechanism, it would be a pain to start your own coin and network...so thanks to NXT and the devs...

if all these project fail to come into fruition which is highly unlikely, then we'ill just discuss options such as designing our own automated accounting rectification system and others mechanisms or possibly use another 2.0 platform with smart contract capabilities. The later option is more likely since we have developers candidates now, some are very experienced in cryptography even using java. Also I have used a modular design with that concern and others in mind. It makes it easy to switch out modules or quickly write new objects.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: innovator256 on October 16, 2014, 10:20:03 pm
So this release is delayed for a week yet again... I am actually still doing a lot of admin work currently, I managed to gather 28 interested developers that I have to narrow down to 7 to 10 best qualified, still going back and forth with 3 of 28. This is an important step to enable speedy development after the demo, crwdsale and specs out are available. I will be free from admin task since Stark informed me of a new board member who will manage developers from next week on.
Title: Re: General info / Development update
Post by: jungian on October 24, 2014, 02:50:41 pm
How long is the next delay?

Maybe set it up a bit more realistic time frame this time?
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