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petko

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Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« on: January 23, 2016, 05:42:02 pm »

I challenge you to enter a slightly modified version of the Star Trek transporter. The modification is not essential (or is it?), it only emphasizes the ethical dilemma.

Transporters in Star Trek "convert a person or object into an energy pattern, then "beam" it to a target, where it is reconverted into matter". In my version, the person is scanned at (sub-)atomic level, his/her data is transferred to the destination where an absolutely similar person appears. Then the original person is killed (painfully or not - does it matter?).

So would you enter?
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 05:49:09 pm »

Why not convert the person data to digital information and then post it to the blockchain as a data cloud transaction ? You can then reproduce this person everywhere you want at the same time. I doubt it would fit 42K though and if you don't reproduce the person soon enough only it's hash (or should I say "ash" ?) remains.
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 05:49:46 pm »

Yeah, if there is cookies on the other side...  :D
You decide what cookies mean.
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 07:01:14 pm »

Yeah, if there is cookies on the other side...  :D
You decide what cookies mean.
There are cookies of course :). The questions are
 - Is it you who eats the cookies
 - If not, would you die to allow someone else eat the cookies
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 08:00:22 pm »

Yeah, if there is cookies on the other side...  :D
You decide what cookies mean.
There are cookies of course :). The questions are
 - Is it you who eats the cookies
 - If not, would you die to allow someone else eat the cookies

I'm not sure I would be the first to try your transporter  :).
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 06:36:56 pm »

Yeah, if there is cookies on the other side...  :D
You decide what cookies mean.
There are cookies of course :). The questions are
 - Is it you who eats the cookies
 - If not, would you die to allow someone else eat the cookies

I like cookies, i would enter :D
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2016, 07:08:56 pm »

I read a short story in a antology once that was based on a similar premise, the tech there came from aliens.

In the story the hero was going to be the first human to be transported somewhere else, but only after the scan and beam was he told that well, he will not actually travel anywhere, and it is his moral duty now to end his existence, because there cannot be two of him in the universe.
I think the aliens were using him as a test if humanity is sufficiently advanced that we can end our own individual existence for the greater good when it is morally right to do so.

Can't remember more details, been a while. Anyone else read this?
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 09:31:07 pm »

I read a short story in a antology once that was based on a similar premise, the tech there came from aliens.

In the story the hero was going to be the first human to be transported somewhere else, but only after the scan and beam was he told that well, he will not actually travel anywhere, and it is his moral duty now to end his existence, because there cannot be two of him in the universe.
I think the aliens were using him as a test if humanity is sufficiently advanced that we can end our own individual existence for the greater good when it is morally right to do so.

Can't remember more details, been a while. Anyone else read this?

It's in about a dozen different books and god only knows how many scifi episodes. 
There was also an episode of the outerlimits where the same scenario happened in reverse.
A transporter accident caused 2 copies to be created. 
Whatever the accident was, it took years to fix the transport system before the original could arrive.
They lived wholly separate lives.  In the end it came down to which one was entitled to continue being the "real" person, the other one would be ended.

I don't remember how it ended.  I think I recall dinosaurs were involved.

The original teleporter in Star Trek, the body converted mass entirely to energy and this energy was beamed and transmitted.  This was based on the fact that mass & energy are 2 sides of the same coin.  It's not a destructive process it's a transmutative process.  The beam was an energy confinement beam to keep your bits from flying about randomly after being exposed to enough energy to convert your mass to energy.  It wasn't scanning anything. The only reason it was created was that it was cheaper than landing a ship, i.e. a budgetary thing for the show. 
I remember my father explaining all this to me and just being in awe that we are made of lightning and starstuff.

Anyways, what you mention is not teleportation, it's cloning/copying just not in the biological sense.

Here's a counter thought.  Apple releases a new app that reads minds through your iPhone.  Your mind and only your mind is copied to iCloud and runs as an application there. Meanwhile squishy meat you goes on about your life. One day hundreds of years later, iCloud you decides to visit the stars. So you build or have built a starship and copy your mind into the starship so that it can freely explore the universe.

Does the copy that stayed behind delete itself from iCloud?  Does the original organic brain assuming it's still around have any say in any of this?

Gives don't copy that floppy a whole new meaning don't it?  :)
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Re: Would you enter a Star Trek transporter :)
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 09:58:46 pm »

Hi there  ;D
I challenge you to enter a slightly modified version of the Star Trek transporter. The modification is not essential (or is it?), it only emphasizes the ethical dilemma.

Transporters in Star Trek "convert a person or object into an energy pattern, then "beam" it to a target, where it is reconverted into matter". In my version, the person is scanned at (sub-)atomic level, his/her data is transferred to the destination where an absolutely similar person appears. Then the original person is killed (painfully or not - does it matter?).

So would you enter?
in your virtual world you can teleport in the same way but instead to be converted to a kind of SciFi energy you are converted to electricity that transport your data packets from a place to an other  ;D

we call this the HyperGrid and you can try it here https://nxt3d.net ... register and download / install /setup the software as indicated in the website...
when done and you are into the virtual world, open this website
http://opensimworld.com
select a destination eg;:
http://opensimworld.com/hop/75006-Maritime-Club-Belfast
and click on the right the "HG" button... first time that will open a window asking you with what application you want to open the link, select firestorm in the list and select the checkbox to remember your choice and OK

in Firestorm you will see a window "Place Profile" click on the teleport button at down and that it  ;D ;D ;D
http://opensimworld.com/?vm=search&grid=&search=star+trek
Welcome in the metaverse  ;D
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 10:08:34 pm by OutSL »
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