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« on: June 15, 2014, 05:40:43 pm »

Thought I'd add this thread after an exchange between Johnson and farl4bit on this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/discussion-on-gocoin-bitcoin-shop/msg45389/#msg45389

I'm pretty sure that I've seen one other post by a woman this forum.  Are there any other ladies in the community?  I realize that crypto is a male-dominated space.  I'm hoping I can be included as a a participant who would receive the same consideration and respect that the male participants receive.  Believe me, I am much more than my appearance or my gender.  I appreciate compliments and kind words, but at the same time, I don't want that to detract from serious discussions or from how I am treated in this space.  I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

I guess I needed to vent a little and I was wondering if there are any other ladies on the forum who I can relate with and find solidarity with, so that I don't feel like the "token female participant"?

Also, to respond directly to Johnson, I am a real person, that is my picture, thank you very much!
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 05:42:03 pm »

Thought I'd add this thread after an exchange between Johnson and farl4bit on this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/discussion-on-gocoin-bitcoin-shop/msg45389/#msg45389

I'm pretty sure that I've seen one other post by a woman this forum.  Are there any other ladies in the community?  I realize that crypto is a male-dominated space.  I'm hoping I can be included as a a participant who would receive the same consideration and respect that the male participants receive.  Believe me, I am much more than my appearance or my gender.  I appreciate compliments and kind words, but at the same time, I don't want that to detract from serious discussions or from how I am treated in this space.  I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

I guess I needed to vent a little and I was wondering if there are any other ladies on the forum who I can relate with and find solidarity with, so that I don't feel like the "token female participant"?

Also, to respond directly to Johnson, I am a real person, that is my picture, thank you very much!

Welcome! And I hope everyone here makes you feel welcomed, too.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2014, 05:47:18 pm »

Male checkin in

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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 06:20:22 pm »

I'm pretty sure that I've seen one other post by a woman this forum.  Are there any other ladies in the community?

One well respected, veteran, active member is female - QBTC.

There's at least another female veteran nxter (with gender undisclosed in this forum profile, so I won't be the one bringing up her name) and of course there might be more.

The rest of us are either testosterone based, or gender-less specimens. 
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 06:27:31 pm »

QBTC is a woman, so you're not the only one :)

There is a shortage of women in this space, for sure, and the traditional hetero male mentality that pervades all internet and tech culture is as present here as it is anywhere.

Your presence is welcome and very much needed, and the onus is on the rest of us to ensure that welcoming environment is always present.

In addition to finding other women in the Nxt space, you may also be interested in networking with other women in crypto spaces.  Here are some other resources:
http://bitcoinwoman.com/
http://thebitcoinwife.com/
http://www.ariannasimpson.com/
http://www.smvoice.info/
https://twitter.com/queentatiana
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2014, 11:38:06 pm »

Hopefully you wont get too much leghumping
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 01:19:43 am »

Hopefully you wont get too much leghumping

lol  Let's hope not - I've been known to kick leg-humping dogs in the balls. lol
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2014, 01:36:03 am »

Hi cobbaltskky,

Welcome to Nxt. Don't believe everything on the Internet! James jl777 profile says (s)he is a 14 year old female. Yet he/she/it age and gender do not matter when developing cutting edge finance technology.

I think we need a social network and chatting built into Nxt. People are tired of ads and censorship on Facebook and the like. I know NxServices had UDP chat up and running with MGW.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2014, 04:33:44 am »

Thought I'd add this thread after an exchange between Johnson and farl4bit on this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/discussion-on-gocoin-bitcoin-shop/msg45389/#msg45389

I'm pretty sure that I've seen one other post by a woman this forum.  Are there any other ladies in the community?  I realize that crypto is a male-dominated space.  I'm hoping I can be included as a a participant who would receive the same consideration and respect that the male participants receive.  Believe me, I am much more than my appearance or my gender.  I appreciate compliments and kind words, but at the same time, I don't want that to detract from serious discussions or from how I am treated in this space.  I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

I guess I needed to vent a little and I was wondering if there are any other ladies on the forum who I can relate with and find solidarity with, so that I don't feel like the "token female participant"?

Also, to respond directly to Johnson, I am a real person, that is my picture, thank you very much!

I'm not sure, but Johnson, you might have just gotten rejected again.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 05:47:19 am »

Www.cryptocoinsconnect.com u want Facebook for crypto here it is


Quote from: NxtMinnow  :)link=topic=2591.msg45900#msg45900 date=1402882563
Hi cobbaltskky,

Welcome to Nxt. Don't believe everything on the Internet! James jl777 profile says (s)he is a 14 year old female. Yet he/she/it age and gender do not matter when developing cutting edge finance technology.

I think we need a social network and chatting built into Nxt. People are tired of ads and censorship on Facebook and the like. I know NxServices had UDP chat up and running with MGW.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2014, 06:01:15 am »

That is a new site I had never seen. Thanks for the reference. I think in time the Nxt software will have integrated chat, forum, and social network built into the client and all operating P2P.

Www.cryptocoinsconnect.com u want Facebook for crypto here it is


Quote from: NxtMinnow  :)link=topic=2591.msg45900#msg45900 date=1402882563
Hi cobbaltskky,

Welcome to Nxt. Don't believe everything on the Internet! James jl777 profile says (s)he is a 14 year old female. Yet he/she/it age and gender do not matter when developing cutting edge finance technology.

I think we need a social network and chatting built into Nxt. People are tired of ads and censorship on Facebook and the like. I know NxServices had UDP chat up and running with MGW.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2014, 06:25:11 pm »

I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

This can only be from a woman. :D

Welcome.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2014, 01:36:08 am »

I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

This can only be from a woman. :D

THIS can only be from a man. :p
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2014, 01:47:16 am »

Thought I'd add this thread after an exchange between Johnson and farl4bit on this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/discussion-on-gocoin-bitcoin-shop/msg45389/#msg45389

I'm pretty sure that I've seen one other post by a woman this forum.  Are there any other ladies in the community?  I realize that crypto is a male-dominated space.  I'm hoping I can be included as a a participant who would receive the same consideration and respect that the male participants receive.  Believe me, I am much more than my appearance or my gender.  I appreciate compliments and kind words, but at the same time, I don't want that to detract from serious discussions or from how I am treated in this space.  I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

I guess I needed to vent a little and I was wondering if there are any other ladies on the forum who I can relate with and find solidarity with, so that I don't feel like the "token female participant"?

Also, to respond directly to Johnson, I am a real person, that is my picture, thank you very much!

Welcome! Every once in a while I have make a gender reference to claim my perspective, but all in all as a far as a bunch of guys hiding behind aliases go, this is a pretty decent bunch :)
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2014, 02:51:09 pm »

Should I assume that QBTC is the girl of the photo?   :P
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 03:03:32 pm »

Should I assume that QBTC is the girl of the photo?   :P

No, I have an avatar just like the rest of you :)
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 03:04:50 pm »

Should I assume that QBTC is the girl of the photo?   :P

No, I have an avatar just like the rest of you :)

Mine is not an avatar.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 03:06:28 pm »

Neither is ChuckOne's.  8)
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 04:26:57 pm »

I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

This can only be from a woman. :D

THIS can only be from a man. :p

Let me make you feel safe. :D

Btw. only 4 girls here. Why so less? I talked to a girl-friend lately and she said that crypto is too abstract to her. She is a visual guy and about crypto, there is nothing to touch or to look at. So, is this perception true for other women?

And more importantly: if so, what do we do about it? I cannot think of a way to make it more vivid.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 04:32:59 pm »

Let me make you feel safe. :D

Btw. only 4 girls here. Why so less? I talked to a girl-friend lately and she said that crypto is too abstract to her. She is a visual guy and about crypto, there is nothing to touch or to look at. So, is this perception true for other women?

And more importantly: if so, what do we do about it? I cannot think of a way to make it more vivid.

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2014, 04:55:20 pm »

Let me make you feel safe. :D

Btw. only 4 girls here. Why so less? I talked to a girl-friend lately and she said that crypto is too abstract to her. She is a visual guy and about crypto, there is nothing to touch or to look at. So, is this perception true for other women?

And more importantly: if so, what do we do about it? I cannot think of a way to make it more vivid.

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2014, 02:58:43 am »

Btw. only 4 girls here. Why so less? I talked to a girl-friend lately and she said that crypto is too abstract to her. She is a visual guy and about crypto, there is nothing to touch or to look at. So, is this perception true for other women?

And more importantly: if so, what do we do about it? I cannot think of a way to make it more vivid.

No, not too abstract at all for me.  I work in IT though, so I'm accustomed to thinking of the world in abstract terms. :)  It's probably cognitive differences.  You'd have a more accurate answer by polling a cross-section of women(and men too!) to ask them if they thought crypto was as valuable as fiat.  I bet you'd get similar answers from both demographics: no. lol  I understand that value doesn't come from a tangible item - it's from people's faith and confidence in that item.  Look at collectibles...

I think when people realize that they can use cryptocurrency to purchase tangible goods, and the diversity of worthwhile goods is expansive, then they'll realize the value behind the currency.  Until then, maybe instead of educating them on why cryptocurrency doesn't need something tangible to be worth money, educate them how something tangible isn't worth anything except for the faith/confidence that they place in it?
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2014, 04:17:56 pm »

Welcome cobaltskky.  :)

No difference here: male or female, if you post a meme, you get MIC! ;)
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2014, 04:55:36 pm »

Welcome cobaltskky.  :)

No difference here: male or female, if you post a meme, you get MIC! ;)

TOTALLY!  I have been forging HARDCORE on the MIC block chain! lolol  Now to think up this thematic's brain child...
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2014, 08:48:56 pm »

I want to feel safe here, just as any other male participant would feel safe - as in, they don't have to deal with people judging them based on their physical appearance, but by their character and their intellect and the value that they add to achieving our goals.

This can only be from a woman. :D

Let me make you feel safe. :D

Btw. only 4 girls here. Why so less? I talked to a girl-friend lately and she said that crypto is too abstract to her. She is a visual guy and about crypto, there is nothing to touch or to look at. So, is this perception true for other women?

And more importantly: if so, what do we do about it? I cannot think of a way to make it more vivid.

Bwahahaha! I laughed out loud at those responses! I think that there are a few reasons why most girls aren't interested in cryptos. Women want security and resources. It makes sense, considering that women were traditionally either pregnant or breastfeeding. That takes a lot of resources. also, women aren't typically risk takers. men tend to take more risks, which makes sense since they would need to take those risks to get resources for themselves and their families. Since women were usually with the children, it makes sense that they seek security, and don't like to take risks. And right now cryptos are risky. Once you can show women that cryptos are a secure way to store and tranfer wealth (and a good way to get wealth), they will be much more enthusiastic. Or, if you could appeal to the average woman's vanity, like selling makeup for cheaper. I know! We'll make a 'Sexy NXT Guys" calender!  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2014, 09:02:22 pm »


Your presence is welcome and very much needed, and the onus is on the rest of us to ensure that welcoming environment is always present.

Try not to white-knight.  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2014, 09:15:35 pm »

Ok, stop with this stereotypical discourse. You can think what do you want but on a public space as this forum, I don't like that.

If you make a sockpuppet only to troll, I think it is sad.

We are civilised and we can make abstraction of the gender, the skin color and differences. We can't judge persons on stereotypes. A lot of men don't like cars and sport. A lot of girl don't care about dressing and makeup.

We are a community of NXTers and I don't car about this things.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2014, 10:03:46 pm »

Ok, stop with this stereotypical discourse. You can think what do you want but on a public space as this forum, I don't like that.

If you make a sockpuppet only to troll, I think it is sad.

We are civilised and we can make abstraction of the gender, the skin color and differences. We can't judge persons on stereotypes. A lot of men don't like cars and sport. A lot of girl don't care about dressing and makeup.

We are a community of NXTers and I don't car about this things.

Somehow I think that english might not be your first language, so maybe look up the term 'white-knight' as it applies to psychology. In fact, I think that you may have misunderstood that whole post. I'm talking about statistical probabilities in both men's and women's psychology. I very specifically used words like 'most' and 'tend'. That is not the same thing as saying "all". I suspect that you're white-knighting now too, which is funny considering I am a girl (I guess that makes me #5  ;) ). I've been following the forums since december, but I haven't posted anything. If you don't believe me, then PM me and I'll link you to my facebook.
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2014, 10:07:26 pm »


Somehow I think that english might not be your first language, so maybe look up the term 'white-knight' as it applies to psychology. In fact, I think that you may have misunderstood that whole post. I'm talking about statistical probabilities in both men's and women's psychology. I very specifically used words like 'most' and 'tend'. That is not the same thing as saying "all". I suspect that you're white-knighting now too, which is funny considering I am a girl (I guess that makes me #5  ;) ). I've been following the forums since december, but I haven't posted anything. If you don't believe me, then PM me and I'll link you to my facebook.

Hey NXTGRL! Nobody believes you! You are just a sockpuppet (as 85% members here)

You must show public proof that I am wrong   ;D
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2014, 10:28:41 pm »

I don't want to debate. No, I'm not english native speaker. Sorry if I misunderstand something.

I don't protect somebody. I protect my self from stereotypical discourse in general.

You can think what do you want about me. My identity is public but I don't want to know yours if it's not public (I don't care about your identity if I don't need to trust you or to work with you).

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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2014, 10:35:01 pm »


Hey NXTGRL! Nobody believes you! You are just a sockpuppet (as 85% members here)

You must show public proof that I am wrong   ;D

Haha, why? So you guys can see which one of us is hotter to help you decide who to suck up to?  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2014, 11:00:53 pm »



I agree with Ludom - can we get away from the stereotyping BS, statistical or not, and talk about individuals as people instead of their characteristics?
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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2014, 11:09:31 pm »

I agree with Ludom - can we get away from the stereotyping BS, statistical or not, and talk about individuals as people instead of their characteristics?

He asked why more girls (in general) weren't interested in NXT, and I gave him my best answer. I was talking about groups, not individuals. Obviously there are exceptions to general trends. The fact that I even have to say these things is disappointing.
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2014, 11:19:10 pm »

Reminding people about why things have been traditionally one way or another is always helpful, it helps understand how we got here.

But the fact things have been like that in the past doesn't justify acting like this now, and I think that's the issue. Explaining is not the same as justifying, and the way NXTGRL talks about trends sounds to some of us like a justification of stereotypes.

You could use an objective argument to justify a tradition if biology was the sole cause for tradition. And I think we all know that now, in our species, cultural evolution clearly outpaces biological evolution. Biology is not the sole cause, or not anymore.



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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2014, 11:41:50 pm »

But the fact things have been like that in the past doesn't justify acting like this now, and I think that's the issue. Explaining is not the same as justifying, and the way NXTGRL talks about trends sounds to some of us like a justification of stereotypes.

You could use an objective argument to justify a tradition if biology was the sole cause for tradition. And I think we all know that now, in our species, cultural evolution clearly outpaces biological evolution. Biology is not the sole cause, or not anymore.
I would argue that culture IS a product of biology. Culture is just another word for human behavior. Do we say animal behavior is seperate from biology? Biological evolution is the result of the fittest males winning the fittest females. By 'fittest' scientists only mean 'best able to succeed and reproduce in an environment'. They doesn't mean 'best' in any moral way. Since human beings are group animals, 'fittest' means adapting to the other humans around you. Different adaptations resulted in different cultures, which are constantly changing. This is all biological evolution. Why do people try and constantly seperate themselves from nature? We are a product of nature, therefore anything we do or make is a product of nature...
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2014, 12:49:24 am »



PS  I'm still waiting for a response to the PM that I sent you...
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2014, 01:54:22 am »



PS  I'm still waiting for a response to the PM that I sent you...


PS. I responded to your PM  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2014, 04:22:58 am »



PS  I'm still waiting for a response to the PM that I sent you...

i think the fact that there are *women* in here arguing about this shit, and that you felt the need to reply to her in such a manner is proof enough of the culture/biology thing at work here.  ive seen it go down exactly as it is here many times times between women.

(assuming you both are women, you never can tell on the internet, and frankly the truth of that matter doesnt really concern me, but the points on culture/biology were salient, and stand alone until someone feels they can defend another position with actual words and not a cute picture.)
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2014, 07:00:23 am »

Why don't you discuss these important topics at Ludom's NXT BBQ on 28th June?  ;)

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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2014, 12:27:12 pm »

But the fact things have been like that in the past doesn't justify acting like this now, and I think that's the issue. Explaining is not the same as justifying, and the way NXTGRL talks about trends sounds to some of us like a justification of stereotypes.

You could use an objective argument to justify a tradition if biology was the sole cause for tradition. And I think we all know that now, in our species, cultural evolution clearly outpaces biological evolution. Biology is not the sole cause, or not anymore.
I would argue that culture IS a product of biology. Culture is just another word for human behavior. Do we say animal behavior is seperate from biology? Biological evolution is the result of the fittest males winning the fittest females. By 'fittest' scientists only mean 'best able to succeed and reproduce in an environment'. They doesn't mean 'best' in any moral way. Since human beings are group animals, 'fittest' means adapting to the other humans around you. Different adaptations resulted in different cultures, which are constantly changing. This is all biological evolution. Why do people try and constantly seperate themselves from nature? We are a product of nature, therefore anything we do or make is a product of nature...

This is a nice topic but following it can result in a massive derailing of the OP... there's however a few points I'd like to make about your comments.

"Culture is a product of biology" and "this is all biological evolution" are by no means facts. The fact reductionism has been the default assumption doesn't make it always true, and in spite of how useful genetics are to describe some apparent causal reasons for animal behavior, currently we cannot attribute everything to genetics and biochemistry. You have context-dependant processes. You have emergent processes. You have non-local processes. Something as essential as protein folding cannot be fully explained by aminoacid structure. And the larger the picture, the more factors you have that escape reductionism.

Nevertheless, this is by no means intending to separate humans from nature. That would be a big contradiction in terms, and imo we as a species are still falling very short when it comes to acknowledging how deep the connection between humans and other species goes. But nature (or culture) does not equal biochemistry and classical physics only.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2014, 05:01:49 pm »

it's silly to talk biology/culture/cognitive science/whatever on a forum about a cryptocoin.  Do we have subject matter experts on these topics that can educate us?  If not, then we're bandying about conjecture and opinions.  If we're going to be silly, let's be silly!



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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2014, 05:33:30 pm »

Ok, stop with this stereotypical discourse. You can think what do you want but on a public space as this forum, I don't like that.

Honestly, you should not tell people what to do. :)

If they want some relaxation by talking about stereotypes, why not letting them?
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2014, 05:34:33 pm »

yeah everyone needs to chill a bit, we are in the pub crawl section after all
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2014, 05:34:53 pm »

I agree with Ludom - can we get away from the stereotyping BS, statistical or not, and talk about individuals as people instead of their characteristics?

Some people like to talk about individuals others like statistics. I do not see a problem with that.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2014, 05:35:39 pm »


Hey NXTGRL! Nobody believes you! You are just a sockpuppet (as 85% members here)

You must show public proof that I am wrong   ;D

Haha, why? So you guys can see which one of us is hotter to help you decide who to suck up to?  ;D



:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2014, 05:39:45 pm »

Bwahahaha! I laughed out loud at those responses! I think that there are a few reasons why most girls aren't interested in cryptos.

I do not think this is about these statements. These statements tell men groups and women groups apart.

There was a nice study somewhere, that states, that a group dominated by [gender], is not attractive to people of [complementary gender].

Basically, if a group is dominated by men (as crypto is), women are not interested.
If a group is dominated by women (breastfeeding? :D kidding.. err make-up groups?.. I do not know, you will tell me), men are not interested.

I do not remember what caused this anti-attraction.

Women want security and resources. It makes sense, considering that women were traditionally either pregnant or breastfeeding. That takes a lot of resources. also, women aren't typically risk takers. men tend to take more risks, which makes sense since they would need to take those risks to get resources for themselves and their families. Since women were usually with the children, it makes sense that they seek security, and don't like to take risks. And right now cryptos are risky. Once you can show women that cryptos are a secure way to store and tranfer wealth (and a good way to get wealth), they will be much more enthusiastic. Or, if you could appeal to the average woman's vanity, like selling makeup for cheaper. I know! We'll make a 'Sexy NXT Guys" calender!  ;)

Well, could be true. So, how to show them the security?
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2014, 05:44:25 pm »

Btw. the group segregation as stated above does not only work for genders but any kind of attributes.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2014, 07:16:18 pm »

First of all, apologies to cobaltskky for clicking Edit instead of reply and having made a minor edit on her previous post; things like this happen in severe multi-tasking mode.

it's silly to talk biology/culture/cognitive science/whatever on a forum about a cryptocoin.  Do we have subject matter experts on these topics that can educate us?  If not, then we're bandying about conjecture and opinions.  If we're going to be silly, let's be silly!

We are in the off topic area. Other people are talking about the world cup.

And if we leave the talk to the PhDs only, we are losing great opportunities to learn... I agree, though, it deviates from the original topic.
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2014, 08:25:04 pm »


Your presence is welcome and very much needed, and the onus is on the rest of us to ensure that welcoming environment is always present.

Try not to white-knight.  ;)

I try not to.

I'm in IT management and recruiting is a regular activity for me.  Recently I attended year-end presentations created by graduating college students; a class of thirty contained three women.  Those women were isolated by their male classmates, and utterly excluded.  The behaviour was toxic and obvious and I called them on it during my feedback session.  As it turns out, I was completely correct (based on the personal letters I later received from all three women) and had recognized a situation that was obliterating all three women's interest in IT before they even got out of school. 

My reaction, then, is colored by my own experience and the context of that particular day.  It probably has nothing to do with your experience, and you're correct to point out that I should not encourage all men to "protect" all women at all times.  On that day, I "white-knighted" appropriately and stood up for three people who were not getting any support from the (male) administration at their college.  I thought of that day when I posted.

I do understand the other side of the argument.  As a very outspoken member of the gay community, I hate it when straight people "help" me feel accepted by saying "THAT IS SO COOL" when my husband and I hold hands in public.  I do not need validation from straight people.  Likewise, I suspect MOST women need no validation or protection from me.

Context is everything.  And yes, I will pose for your Sexy Nxt Guy calendar. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2014, 09:04:50 pm »


Try not to white-knight.  ;)

I try not to.

I'm in IT management and recruiting is a regular activity for me.  Recently I attended year-end presentations created by graduating college students; a class of thirty contained three women.  Those women were isolated by their male classmates, and utterly excluded.  The behaviour was toxic and obvious and I called them on it during my feedback session.  As it turns out, I was completely correct (based on the personal letters I later received from all three women) and had recognized a situation that was obliterating all three women's interest in IT before they even got out of school. 

My reaction, then, is colored by my own experience and the context of that particular day.  It probably has nothing to do with your experience, and you're correct to point out that I should not encourage all men to "protect" all women at all times.  On that day, I "white-knighted" appropriately and stood up for three people who were not getting any support from the (male) administration at their college.  I thought of that day when I posted.

I do understand the other side of the argument.  As a very outspoken member of the gay community, I hate it when straight people "help" me feel accepted by saying "THAT IS SO COOL" when my husband and I hold hands in public.  I do not need validation from straight people.  Likewise, I suspect MOST women need no validation or protection from me.

Context is everything.  And yes, I will pose for your Sexy Nxt Guy calendar. ;)


 ;)
But seriously, I do agree that there is a lot of discrimination on both sides, which i think comes from people's personal histories. I would venture to say that any protective tendencies that you have are rooted in your childhood, possibly because of your mother. I know a lot of my issues with women come from dealing with an aggressive, narcissistic mother. I find this idea that women are fragile flowers that need to be kept safe insulting. And i respect that that isn't your attitude. IMHO the men here are just as likely to be judged on their physical appearance by other men as the women. Most users just prefer to stay anonymous to prevent that. People treat each other differently, that's reality, and if you don't want your gender or appearance to contribute to how you are treated then the only way to do that is to be anonymous. Even people of the same sex treat each other differently based on appearance, not that I'm saying it's a positive thing. Obviously everyone is different, so if you are a pretty girl in a male dominated space, and you post your pic as your avatar, you have to expect that you'll get both tasteful and distasteful feedback. I would either tell people directly that their comments weren't appreciated, or i would ignore them. Or I would just change my avatar. But i wouldn't need to go looking for other girls or white-knights for support. Maybe that's because I'm used to being in male-dominated spaces, idk. Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D
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« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2014, 09:38:06 pm »

Bwahahaha! I laughed out loud at those responses! I think that there are a few reasons why most girls aren't interested in cryptos.

I do not think this is about these statements. These statements tell men groups and women groups apart.

There was a nice study somewhere, that states, that a group dominated by [gender], is not attractive to people of [complementary gender].

Basically, if a group is dominated by men (as crypto is), women are not interested.
If a group is dominated by women (breastfeeding? :D kidding.. err make-up groups?.. I do not know, you will tell me), men are not interested.

I do not remember what caused this anti-attraction.

Well, could be true. So, how to show them the security?

Once there are news stories about "NXT Millionaires", I think interest will pick up. ;D  What you have to do is show women how it will be useful to them. They weren't interested in the internet either, until they could e-mail their community, shop, and look at news articles online. Idk, that one is more tricky... The way advertisers do it is to create a need and offer a solution. for example, make them feel that their current method of storing wealth is unsafe, then offer NXT as the solution. I do think that we need to try to appeal more to women, since they control 80% of household spending. Hmm, I'll have to think on it. I agree that men are probably intimidated by women-dominated groups, and vice-versa, so I can see where that would be a deterrent. however, I really think it has more to do with instinctive motivations. In general, of course.
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« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2014, 10:07:47 pm »

But seriously, I do agree that there is a lot of discrimination on both sides, which i think comes from people's personal histories. I would venture to say that any protective tendencies that you have are rooted in your childhood, possibly because of your mother. I know a lot of my issues with women come from dealing with an aggressive, narcissistic mother. I find this idea that women are fragile flowers that need to be kept safe insulting. And i respect that that isn't your attitude. IMHO the men here are just as likely to be judged on their physical appearance by other men as the women. Most users just prefer to stay anonymous to prevent that. People treat each other differently, that's reality, and if you don't want your gender or appearance to contribute to how you are treated then the only way to do that is to be anonymous. Even people of the same sex treat each other differently based on appearance, not that I'm saying it's a positive thing. Obviously everyone is different, so if you are a pretty girl in a male dominated space, and you post your pic as your avatar, you have to expect that you'll get both tasteful and distasteful feedback. I would either tell people directly that their comments weren't appreciated, or i would ignore them. Or I would just change my avatar. But i wouldn't need to go looking for other girls or white-knights for support. Maybe that's because I'm used to being in male-dominated spaces, idk. Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2014, 10:14:13 pm »

Once there are news stories about "NXT Millionaires", I think interest will pick up. ;D

Loooooooool. :D

Anybody? ;)

What you have to do is show women how it will be useful to them. They weren't interested in the internet either, until they could e-mail their community, shop, and look at news articles online. Idk, that one is more tricky... The way advertisers do it is to create a need and offer a solution. for example, make them feel that their current method of storing wealth is unsafe, then offer NXT as the solution. I do think that we need to try to appeal more to women, since they control 80% of household spending.

Indeed. We need ideas, people.

Hmm, I'll have to think on it. I agree that men are probably intimidated by women-dominated groups, and vice-versa, so I can see where that would be a deterrent. however, I really think it has more to do with instinctive motivations. In general, of course.

Well, I would not call it 'intimidated' or 'deterrent'. It is rather that unconscious perception of a group's differences that lead to a 'that is not my way, I want to do something else' or to a 'I do not fit, let me go somewhere else'.
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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2014, 10:29:19 pm »

This is a very interesting question. I want to challenge assumptions we might be making. How do we know that there are very few women in the Nxt world, or in cryptos in general?

Here's a surprising finding: among people 35 and older who play video games online, women outnumber men in many locales. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/10472696/Women-gamers-aged-over-35-outnumber-men.html

I wonder if the types of games played and the reasons for those game choices tell us something about gender-specific preferences in general.*

*Generalizations are always dangerous, but we must start somewhere.
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2014, 10:37:13 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?
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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2014, 10:44:54 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

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However, it is important to keep in mind that some men, in spaces that are perceived to be male-dominated, sometimes engage in practices that essentially post a "no girls allowed!" sign on the clubhouse door. Sometimes this appears benign, though it is not, and sometimes it's quite threatening and even criminal. Therefore, many women in online perceived-male-spaces have been known to use male-seeming avatars and usernames, and ventriloquize male speech. Good or bad? Adaptive or disruptive? I don't know. It's just something that happens that we can consider as we ask these questions about differential participation.
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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2014, 10:48:49 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

Exactly. In those cases, technical expertise and financial expertise respectively do separate people here. :) One part will think "oh, interesting, let me contribute" the other part will think "oh damn, those tech things, I better shut up no to make a fool of myself".

So, what do we do now? :)
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« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2014, 10:57:49 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

Exactly. In those cases, technical expertise and financial expertise respectively do separate people here. :) One part will think "oh, interesting, let me contribute" the other part will think "oh damn, those tech things, I better shut up no to make a fool of myself".

So, what do we do now? :)

Good question.

I am a teacher, and I see amazing things happen when the normally loudest people in the classroom take the listening challenge.
 
I'm a guy. So one thing I can do right now is shut the hell up and see who else wants to speak from their own experience.
 
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« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2014, 11:05:11 pm »

This is a very interesting question. I want to challenge assumptions we might be making. How do we know that there are very few women in the Nxt world, or in cryptos in general?

Here's a surprising finding: among people 35 and older who play video games online, women outnumber men in many locales. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/10472696/Women-gamers-aged-over-35-outnumber-men.html

I wonder if the types of games played and the reasons for those game choices tell us something about gender-specific preferences in general.*

*Generalizations are always dangerous, but we must start somewhere.

Interesting study! Yet another reason why I'm keeping an eye on 'Lith'.  :)  Maybe 'NXT Pinterest' too? Or maybe we could come up with a way that NXT users could make their own simple games and share them with friends... they could even get tips or some kind of reward if enough people like it...
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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2014, 01:59:10 am »

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.

+1... Which month of the calendar did you prefer to pose for?  ;D
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« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2014, 02:18:40 am »

Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D

May.  I'm SO springtime.
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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2014, 02:35:33 am »

I want to say that I love the organic conversation that went on here and how it turned light-hearted. :)

Props to joefox for coming out!  I'm gay myself, so it helps me feel more comfortable in this space knowing I'm not the "token homosexual", just as I reached out to see if there were any other women on the board so I wasn't the "token women."  I'm not looking for validation of my identity - I was looking for validation that, since I'm relatively new here, the forum was open  and accepting to such members.  I'm of the mindset that, if I am not welcome in a space because the established members of that space don't want me, for whatever reason, then I'm not going to insinuate myself into that space. Why would I be somewhere that I'm not wanted?  I don't get people who have that mentality...

Anyway, I appreciate everyone who has been contributing to the discourse!  Let's keep it going!

I wanted to comment on joefox's mention of "white-knighting."  I don't see him as a male coming to the rescue of a female.  I see it as someone who's established on the forum helping someone who isn't feel comfortable and engaging them.  I'd do the same if a man was initially uncomfortable in the presence of me and my friends, or a non-IT person in the presence of my IT friends.  It's about making people comfortable in new spaces.  I like diversity in spaces, and seeing how world's collide, because it often encourages innovative discussion and personal growth.
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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2014, 02:37:08 am »

I just became aware of this thread and I'm glad that cobaltskyy has brought this subject up.  I started the thread she references and cringed at both how it veered off course, and how I joined it in the ditch once it got there.  Please accept my apologies, Skky. 

IMHO, women deserve not only respect but also their mere presence being accepted in any situation without that presence being anything special or noteworthy.  Given the biological and psychological makeup of men, that's an ideal that is virtually impossible to achieve - but it is an ideal that we should all embrace anyway.

I am a big fan of the recently concluded crime drama Breaking Bad, which had a pivotal character in Skyler White, the strong (absolutely) and steadfast (mostly) wife of the male lead anti-hero.  Anna Gunn was finally recognized for her wonderful performance in this role with an Emmy for best dramatic actress in the final season of BB.  By that time she had endured a very disturbing fan backlash that somehow says much about how gender roles are twisted in our society.  Another female TV critic wrote a very insightful article on gender roles in the show including Ms. Gunn's experiences.  If you're interested in exploring and thinking about gender roles, here are two articles (and a TV show) not to be missed:

(Caution - spoilers.  Go get addicted to the DVDs before you read these.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0

http://www.wired.com/2013/10/breaking-bad-toxic-masculinity/

And finally, I'm not above using a little sex-based shame to get what I want.  ;D  Cobaltskky, thank you so much for signing up to participate in my NAOP effort!  I wish 400 other studly, macho guys who have chosen not to participate had your level of drive and commitment....

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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2014, 02:44:06 am »

Quote from: joefox link=topic=2591.msg50721#msg50721
And yes, I will pose for your Sexy Nxt Guy calendar. ;)

What the heck, I will too.  I've got dibs on March - I'm a stubborn Aries thru and thru.
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« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2014, 04:45:57 am »

Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D

May.  I'm SO springtime.
:D
You got it! Sorry that I got mixed up and asked the wrong person!  :( I need to improve my multitasking... Anyway, 3 down, 9 to go... oh, and January is called.
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2014, 10:06:22 am »

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.

+1... Which month of the calendar did you prefer to pose for?  ;D

I prefer July -- the hottest month for the hottest guy. ;D

Unfortunately, since I would ace out the other guys, I leave it to somebody else. ;)
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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2014, 10:07:22 am »

You got it! Sorry that I got mixed up and asked the wrong person!  :( I need to improve my multitasking... Anyway, 3 down, 9 to go... oh, and January is called.

The only improvement for Multitasking is Singletasking. ;)
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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2014, 04:16:06 pm »

We'll not change that woman are less into tech - that problem haunts the industry since ages.

I think we have to open up other areas - that's why I like the art projects so much. Like NxtDrop, the Kordek gallery, MiCoin (assuming here it will go beyond memes) and so on. The arts are an area that is much more woman dominated. Art schools for example. Or just think theater studies: You'll be hard pressed to find a guy there.

So somehow we have to expand these. Find ways that it really makes sense for artists and the public to get into. And get the word out beyond the crypto world. I.e. that there is a way to fund arts (as giver or receiver). So far I haven't seen the "slam dunk" idea - but you won't get there without trying.
There are of course other areas. Lith while an exciting project, is not the kind of game that will attract a female audience though. True, 50% of gamers are woman, but they play candy crash. But it might get us gamer interest.

But anyways - that "getting the word outside our field" would help us also general to set us apart from other Crypto. But is a great problem for Nxt. You have a massive knowledge barrier of first getting into it. I'm just trying to write a blog post about Lith, and I notice how hard it is. I mean I first have to explain what a crypocurrency is, then I have to explain what Nxt is... and how to buy it. Then I have to explain what Lith is and their own currency... oh my. And with that I didn't even cover the Asset Exchange that someone would have to use to invest.
Damn near impossible.
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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2014, 05:03:25 pm »

Where are my sandwiches?
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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2014, 05:37:53 pm »

Where are my sandwiches?

Sorry?

Never mind, I think he got the wrong forum.
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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2014, 06:04:53 pm »

Hi all,
This is one little idea to attract some new girl:

My girlfriend want to sell some homemade products and I've already convince her to use NXT:
Ball of homemade yarn (handspun) with natural dyes

For now, there is a huge social network for these item and this is called Ravelry.
If we've got something like that for NXT, or in DGS, we can be a huge plateform for girl and  knitters and crocheters.

i've created a test adress for people who dont want to register themself :
http://www.ravelry.com

id : NXTgirl
pass : testtest

this is an exemple of page : http://www.ravelry.com/projects/tinyowlknits

THEY CAN ONLY PAY WITH PAYPAL so this is a huge market for us...
until Ravelry accept BTC and girls use BTC.

In other hand, we want to sell other real farm product but I prefere to think it in a global NXTvillage project.
This project can bring us a lot of girl too.

(NXTvillage project: https://mega.co.nz/#!Vs4iQKZT!MAOqi-Mcy8FesHzuZGOH10Opl_r3rK2Oqc6VuRqk_7U
 Buisiness plan on discussion : https://mega.co.nz/#!sswBlCIS!vqyTBucfO4MwKIHCQnZNdGxvJe0e49A8nkOukruezMI )
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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2014, 06:48:23 pm »

I want to say that I love the organic conversation that went on here and how it turned light-hearted. :)

I'm not looking for validation of my identity - I was looking for validation that, since I'm relatively new here, the forum was open  and accepting to such members.  I'm of the mindset that, if I am not welcome in a space because the established members of that space don't want me, for whatever reason, then I'm not going to insinuate myself into that space.

I wanted to comment on joefox's mention of "white-knighting."  I don't see him as a male coming to the rescue of a female.  I see it as someone who's established on the forum helping someone who isn't feel comfortable and engaging them.  I'd do the same if a man was initially uncomfortable in the presence of me and my friends, or a non-IT person in the presence of my IT friends.  It's about making people comfortable in new spaces.  I like diversity in spaces, and seeing how world's collide, because it often encourages innovative discussion and personal growth.
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 Very valid points, and I definitely see the value in more experienced members helping newcomers. The NXT community is full of people from all backgrounds, and i love the discussions that go on here. (I was really tempted to enter the fray on the global warming debate) ;D Imo the community behind NXT is one of the main advantages.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2014, 06:59:10 pm »

Where are my sandwiches?

Sorry?


It's a stereotype, where a man asks a woman to get in the kitchen ("where she belongs") and make him a sandwich. He's implying that since there are women here, he should be able to get a sandwich made... Not going to lie, I chuckled at that comment  ;). He might not have been trying to be sexist against women, but to make fun of a male stereotype. I'm just not easy to offend.
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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2014, 07:36:18 pm »

i love the discussions that go on here. (I was really tempted to enter the fray on the global warming debate) ;D

Please dear God leave that one alone.  Let sleeping pit bulls, er, dogs lie.  We can talk about women, LGBT, whatever else you want - just not hot air.
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« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2014, 07:38:30 pm »

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.

+1... Which month of the calendar did you prefer to pose for?  ;D

I prefer July -- the hottest month for the hottest guy. ;D

Unfortunately, since I would ace out the other guys, I leave it to somebody else. ;)

Ha,ha,ha. Oh come now, if Bruce Willis had that attitude, he would have never made the Fifth element. This isn't about making the other guys feel better about themselves, it's about luring ladies with eye-candy...  ;D
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« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2014, 07:41:05 pm »

i love the discussions that go on here. (I was really tempted to enter the fray on the global warming debate) ;D

Please dear God leave that one alone.  Let sleeping pit bulls, er, dogs lie.  We can talk about women, LGBT, whatever else you want - just not hot air.

 :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2014, 07:42:55 pm »

Really did you ban him for that comment?

Fiuuuuuuuu!!  :o
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« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2014, 07:48:21 pm »

Really did you ban him for that comment?

Fiuuuuuuuu!!  :o

1) Fake email.
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« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2014, 07:58:10 pm »

Ha,ha,ha. Oh come now, if Bruce Willis had that attitude, he would have never made the Fifth element. This isn't about making the other guys feel better about themselves, it's about luring ladies with eye-candy...  ;D

I know, my dear. Unfortunately, I will not be available for that. :)
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« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2014, 08:27:40 pm »

Where are my sandwiches?

Sorry?


It's a stereotype, where a man asks a woman to get in the kitchen ("where she belongs") and make him a sandwich. He's implying that since there are women here, he should be able to get a sandwich made... Not going to lie, I chuckled at that comment  ;). He might not have been trying to be sexist against women, but to make fun of a male stereotype. I'm just not easy to offend.

I see. Thanks for explaining that to me. In German, we would refer to beer instead. ;)
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« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2014, 08:39:10 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg51750/#msg51750  brought me here. There are a lot of very long posts in this forum and I do not have the time now to read them all.

How can I support this initiative? =)

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« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2014, 09:13:17 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg51750/#msg51750  brought me here. There are a lot of very long posts in this forum and I do not have the time now to read them all.

How can I support this initiative? =)

Which one ?

'NXTravelry' can be a social plateform using NXT ;

NXTvillage is one huge project (make a link between farmers, builders, artisans, artists and local people) which can bring light on us for a while, and can change everything in our country,
you can begin by reading the document and maybe after we'll can create forum section for brainstorming/discuss.
we need support anyway.

LOCAL Cryptocurrency on top of NXT + AE is so wonderfull tools and need to take place on earth/land/country.

how to support us for now? read & say us if its wonderfull or not, if your feeling hope or not, share it, help us to promote that, think about better idea, think about viral idea
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« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2014, 12:13:52 am »

LOCAL Cryptocurrency on top of NXT + AE is so wonderfull tools and need to take place on earth/land/country.

how to support us for now? read & say us if its wonderfull or not, if your feeling hope or not, share it, help us to promote that, think about better idea, think about viral idea

It sounds super ambitious. I love it for the sake of NXT - and opening it to new audiences.
But I cannot judge if it makes sense - it's too far from anything I have experience in. There are a lot of moving parts for what it looks like.

Same for the ravelry thing. The tech boundary has to be really really low for those users (who are obviously interested in a very different field) to adopt it. So "learning about crypto > learning about NXT > learning about exchanges to convert fiat > learning about AE" seems too much. If it would be just a tip-bot doing all the work, then it might be feasible.
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« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2014, 03:16:32 am »

I like ThomasVeil's idea of developing a lite mobile platform game, like Candy Crush, etc....you know, maybe beyond targeting women, what about kids?  What if kids could earn NXT somehow, like not in a creepy predatory way(lol!), but by playing some game.  I know my daughter plays a butt-ton of Subway Racers.  I'm not sure how to make it economical, exactly, because we wouldn't want kids like, having to exchange NXT for fiat, etc...but it would be a great way to introduce the next generation to cryptocurrency.  You know, like the McCorporations out there do - convince the kids that they want a happy meal, and then the parents take them there and end up buying a big mac meal for themselves!  Daaaang!  Anybody else think I'm onto something there????
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« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2014, 03:22:46 am »

I like ThomasVeil's idea of developing a lite mobile platform game, like Candy Crush, etc....you know, maybe beyond targeting women, what about kids?  What if kids could earn NXT somehow, like not in a creepy predatory way(lol!), but by playing some game.  I know my daughter plays a butt-ton of Subway Racers.  I'm not sure how to make it economical, exactly, because we wouldn't want kids like, having to exchange NXT for fiat, etc...but it would be a great way to introduce the next generation to cryptocurrency.  You know, like the McCorporations out there do - convince the kids that they want a happy meal, and then the parents take them there and end up buying a big mac meal for themselves!  Daaaang!  Anybody else think I'm onto something there????
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I am pretty sure NXT currently lacks any demographically targeted marketing (or the tech to help) for women or children.

Please expand on this, I can feel a bounty around the corner

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« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2014, 12:48:11 am »

Off the cuff, I'm thinking we need to market to the 8-18 year old demographic.  Maybe split that into separate demographics, like 8-12, 13-15, and 16-18.  My thought is for the younger demographics, we develop a game that can be played on mobile devices, something cutsey and fun - like Subway Surfers.  The goal of the game is to collect coins, which can then be used to purchase new characters to play as, and outfits for them, and powerups, and maybe even new stages.

How NXT factors in, is that the coin are actually fractional units of NXT.  Which means they have real money value - sort of like what Burnercoin is doing with their mobile game.  They allow playing the game to generate coin for the player.  I think what's important with our game though, is that we'll accept USD in, which is converted to NXT.  Just like with a lot of these mobile, micro-payment games, you can spend real money to buy the characters, skins, etc, if you don't want to actually earn them in the game.  So, you have people infusing the NXT market with value in the form of USD, without even necessarily realizing it. ;)  Of course, once they spend the NXT, it's gone from their account and into...somewhere.  I don't know, pay for the servers, further game development, fund development in the NXT community, that sort of stuff.  I'm thinking it should be a non-profit sort of venture.  Of course, any in game NXT they have remaining, should be transferrable back to a NXT wallet and also available for pulling it back out as USD.  Maybe we can use our new gocoin(or whatever it's called) partnership to facilitate that?  So, they have the ability to make something worth value outside of the game, instead of the game just being a money/time sink!

There would need to be some sort of algorithm built into the game so that as the NXT value increases/decreases, the pricing for in-game goods remains at parity with a set value in USD and the fractional value of the in-game coins would change accordingly, so that, assuming the person's skill remains the same over one week, and they play each day that week, they will still be able to purchase power-up A on Monday and power-up A on Sunday for the same amount of coins.  Does that make sense?  It would be the same for the USD conversion - if $10 worth of NXT on Monday buys you power-up B, then $10 worth of NXT on Sunday will still buy you power-up B.  In other words, the game will need to compensate for market fluctuations so not to discourage players when the value of their previously collected coins decreases, and the stockpile of coins they've saved up to put against UBER EPIC POWER UP devalues and UBER EPIC POWER UP essentially becomes more expensive for them to buy, and they have to put more time into the game for less reward.

I think the conversion out to USD or NXT should function similarly...of course, thinking about it, maybe we can't change the value of coins already collected, if we're going to say once a coin in the game has been collected, it's the equivalent of having a fractional value of NXT in your wallet.  That's something for our fiscal viability experts to figure out. lol

I also suggest the game be built with modern skinner box design to keep people continually engaged. ;)

EDIT: for readability, at ChuckOne's suggestion. :)
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« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2014, 08:22:06 am »

Very interesting article, thanks.
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« Reply #89 on: June 29, 2014, 07:35:06 pm »

I like ThomasVeil's idea of developing a lite mobile platform game, like Candy Crush, etc....you know, maybe beyond targeting women, what about kids?  What if kids could earn NXT somehow, like not in a creepy predatory way(lol!), but by playing some game.  I know my daughter plays a butt-ton of Subway Racers.  I'm not sure how to make it economical, exactly, because we wouldn't want kids like, having to exchange NXT for fiat, etc...but it would be a great way to introduce the next generation to cryptocurrency.  You know, like the McCorporations out there do - convince the kids that they want a happy meal, and then the parents take them there and end up buying a big mac meal for themselves!  Daaaang!  Anybody else think I'm onto something there????
yes!
I am pretty sure NXT currently lacks any demographically targeted marketing (or the tech to help) for women or children.

Please expand on this, I can feel a bounty around the corner

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Check the link in my signature!
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