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cobaltskky

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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2014, 05:01:49 pm »

it's silly to talk biology/culture/cognitive science/whatever on a forum about a cryptocoin.  Do we have subject matter experts on these topics that can educate us?  If not, then we're bandying about conjecture and opinions.  If we're going to be silly, let's be silly!



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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2014, 05:33:30 pm »

Ok, stop with this stereotypical discourse. You can think what do you want but on a public space as this forum, I don't like that.

Honestly, you should not tell people what to do. :)

If they want some relaxation by talking about stereotypes, why not letting them?
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2014, 05:34:33 pm »

yeah everyone needs to chill a bit, we are in the pub crawl section after all
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2014, 05:34:53 pm »

I agree with Ludom - can we get away from the stereotyping BS, statistical or not, and talk about individuals as people instead of their characteristics?

Some people like to talk about individuals others like statistics. I do not see a problem with that.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2014, 05:35:39 pm »


Hey NXTGRL! Nobody believes you! You are just a sockpuppet (as 85% members here)

You must show public proof that I am wrong   ;D

Haha, why? So you guys can see which one of us is hotter to help you decide who to suck up to?  ;D



:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2014, 05:39:45 pm »

Bwahahaha! I laughed out loud at those responses! I think that there are a few reasons why most girls aren't interested in cryptos.

I do not think this is about these statements. These statements tell men groups and women groups apart.

There was a nice study somewhere, that states, that a group dominated by [gender], is not attractive to people of [complementary gender].

Basically, if a group is dominated by men (as crypto is), women are not interested.
If a group is dominated by women (breastfeeding? :D kidding.. err make-up groups?.. I do not know, you will tell me), men are not interested.

I do not remember what caused this anti-attraction.

Women want security and resources. It makes sense, considering that women were traditionally either pregnant or breastfeeding. That takes a lot of resources. also, women aren't typically risk takers. men tend to take more risks, which makes sense since they would need to take those risks to get resources for themselves and their families. Since women were usually with the children, it makes sense that they seek security, and don't like to take risks. And right now cryptos are risky. Once you can show women that cryptos are a secure way to store and tranfer wealth (and a good way to get wealth), they will be much more enthusiastic. Or, if you could appeal to the average woman's vanity, like selling makeup for cheaper. I know! We'll make a 'Sexy NXT Guys" calender!  ;)

Well, could be true. So, how to show them the security?
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2014, 05:44:25 pm »

Btw. the group segregation as stated above does not only work for genders but any kind of attributes.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2014, 07:16:18 pm »

First of all, apologies to cobaltskky for clicking Edit instead of reply and having made a minor edit on her previous post; things like this happen in severe multi-tasking mode.

it's silly to talk biology/culture/cognitive science/whatever on a forum about a cryptocoin.  Do we have subject matter experts on these topics that can educate us?  If not, then we're bandying about conjecture and opinions.  If we're going to be silly, let's be silly!

We are in the off topic area. Other people are talking about the world cup.

And if we leave the talk to the PhDs only, we are losing great opportunities to learn... I agree, though, it deviates from the original topic.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2014, 08:25:04 pm »


Your presence is welcome and very much needed, and the onus is on the rest of us to ensure that welcoming environment is always present.

Try not to white-knight.  ;)

I try not to.

I'm in IT management and recruiting is a regular activity for me.  Recently I attended year-end presentations created by graduating college students; a class of thirty contained three women.  Those women were isolated by their male classmates, and utterly excluded.  The behaviour was toxic and obvious and I called them on it during my feedback session.  As it turns out, I was completely correct (based on the personal letters I later received from all three women) and had recognized a situation that was obliterating all three women's interest in IT before they even got out of school. 

My reaction, then, is colored by my own experience and the context of that particular day.  It probably has nothing to do with your experience, and you're correct to point out that I should not encourage all men to "protect" all women at all times.  On that day, I "white-knighted" appropriately and stood up for three people who were not getting any support from the (male) administration at their college.  I thought of that day when I posted.

I do understand the other side of the argument.  As a very outspoken member of the gay community, I hate it when straight people "help" me feel accepted by saying "THAT IS SO COOL" when my husband and I hold hands in public.  I do not need validation from straight people.  Likewise, I suspect MOST women need no validation or protection from me.

Context is everything.  And yes, I will pose for your Sexy Nxt Guy calendar. ;)
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2014, 09:04:50 pm »


Try not to white-knight.  ;)

I try not to.

I'm in IT management and recruiting is a regular activity for me.  Recently I attended year-end presentations created by graduating college students; a class of thirty contained three women.  Those women were isolated by their male classmates, and utterly excluded.  The behaviour was toxic and obvious and I called them on it during my feedback session.  As it turns out, I was completely correct (based on the personal letters I later received from all three women) and had recognized a situation that was obliterating all three women's interest in IT before they even got out of school. 

My reaction, then, is colored by my own experience and the context of that particular day.  It probably has nothing to do with your experience, and you're correct to point out that I should not encourage all men to "protect" all women at all times.  On that day, I "white-knighted" appropriately and stood up for three people who were not getting any support from the (male) administration at their college.  I thought of that day when I posted.

I do understand the other side of the argument.  As a very outspoken member of the gay community, I hate it when straight people "help" me feel accepted by saying "THAT IS SO COOL" when my husband and I hold hands in public.  I do not need validation from straight people.  Likewise, I suspect MOST women need no validation or protection from me.

Context is everything.  And yes, I will pose for your Sexy Nxt Guy calendar. ;)


 ;)
But seriously, I do agree that there is a lot of discrimination on both sides, which i think comes from people's personal histories. I would venture to say that any protective tendencies that you have are rooted in your childhood, possibly because of your mother. I know a lot of my issues with women come from dealing with an aggressive, narcissistic mother. I find this idea that women are fragile flowers that need to be kept safe insulting. And i respect that that isn't your attitude. IMHO the men here are just as likely to be judged on their physical appearance by other men as the women. Most users just prefer to stay anonymous to prevent that. People treat each other differently, that's reality, and if you don't want your gender or appearance to contribute to how you are treated then the only way to do that is to be anonymous. Even people of the same sex treat each other differently based on appearance, not that I'm saying it's a positive thing. Obviously everyone is different, so if you are a pretty girl in a male dominated space, and you post your pic as your avatar, you have to expect that you'll get both tasteful and distasteful feedback. I would either tell people directly that their comments weren't appreciated, or i would ignore them. Or I would just change my avatar. But i wouldn't need to go looking for other girls or white-knights for support. Maybe that's because I'm used to being in male-dominated spaces, idk. Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2014, 09:38:06 pm »

Bwahahaha! I laughed out loud at those responses! I think that there are a few reasons why most girls aren't interested in cryptos.

I do not think this is about these statements. These statements tell men groups and women groups apart.

There was a nice study somewhere, that states, that a group dominated by [gender], is not attractive to people of [complementary gender].

Basically, if a group is dominated by men (as crypto is), women are not interested.
If a group is dominated by women (breastfeeding? :D kidding.. err make-up groups?.. I do not know, you will tell me), men are not interested.

I do not remember what caused this anti-attraction.

Well, could be true. So, how to show them the security?

Once there are news stories about "NXT Millionaires", I think interest will pick up. ;D  What you have to do is show women how it will be useful to them. They weren't interested in the internet either, until they could e-mail their community, shop, and look at news articles online. Idk, that one is more tricky... The way advertisers do it is to create a need and offer a solution. for example, make them feel that their current method of storing wealth is unsafe, then offer NXT as the solution. I do think that we need to try to appeal more to women, since they control 80% of household spending. Hmm, I'll have to think on it. I agree that men are probably intimidated by women-dominated groups, and vice-versa, so I can see where that would be a deterrent. however, I really think it has more to do with instinctive motivations. In general, of course.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2014, 10:07:47 pm »

But seriously, I do agree that there is a lot of discrimination on both sides, which i think comes from people's personal histories. I would venture to say that any protective tendencies that you have are rooted in your childhood, possibly because of your mother. I know a lot of my issues with women come from dealing with an aggressive, narcissistic mother. I find this idea that women are fragile flowers that need to be kept safe insulting. And i respect that that isn't your attitude. IMHO the men here are just as likely to be judged on their physical appearance by other men as the women. Most users just prefer to stay anonymous to prevent that. People treat each other differently, that's reality, and if you don't want your gender or appearance to contribute to how you are treated then the only way to do that is to be anonymous. Even people of the same sex treat each other differently based on appearance, not that I'm saying it's a positive thing. Obviously everyone is different, so if you are a pretty girl in a male dominated space, and you post your pic as your avatar, you have to expect that you'll get both tasteful and distasteful feedback. I would either tell people directly that their comments weren't appreciated, or i would ignore them. Or I would just change my avatar. But i wouldn't need to go looking for other girls or white-knights for support. Maybe that's because I'm used to being in male-dominated spaces, idk. Anyway, SWEET! Which month would you prefer?   ;D

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2014, 10:14:13 pm »

Once there are news stories about "NXT Millionaires", I think interest will pick up. ;D

Loooooooool. :D

Anybody? ;)

What you have to do is show women how it will be useful to them. They weren't interested in the internet either, until they could e-mail their community, shop, and look at news articles online. Idk, that one is more tricky... The way advertisers do it is to create a need and offer a solution. for example, make them feel that their current method of storing wealth is unsafe, then offer NXT as the solution. I do think that we need to try to appeal more to women, since they control 80% of household spending.

Indeed. We need ideas, people.

Hmm, I'll have to think on it. I agree that men are probably intimidated by women-dominated groups, and vice-versa, so I can see where that would be a deterrent. however, I really think it has more to do with instinctive motivations. In general, of course.

Well, I would not call it 'intimidated' or 'deterrent'. It is rather that unconscious perception of a group's differences that lead to a 'that is not my way, I want to do something else' or to a 'I do not fit, let me go somewhere else'.
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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2014, 10:29:19 pm »

This is a very interesting question. I want to challenge assumptions we might be making. How do we know that there are very few women in the Nxt world, or in cryptos in general?

Here's a surprising finding: among people 35 and older who play video games online, women outnumber men in many locales. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/10472696/Women-gamers-aged-over-35-outnumber-men.html

I wonder if the types of games played and the reasons for those game choices tell us something about gender-specific preferences in general.*

*Generalizations are always dangerous, but we must start somewhere.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2014, 10:37:13 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?
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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2014, 10:44:54 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

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However, it is important to keep in mind that some men, in spaces that are perceived to be male-dominated, sometimes engage in practices that essentially post a "no girls allowed!" sign on the clubhouse door. Sometimes this appears benign, though it is not, and sometimes it's quite threatening and even criminal. Therefore, many women in online perceived-male-spaces have been known to use male-seeming avatars and usernames, and ventriloquize male speech. Good or bad? Adaptive or disruptive? I don't know. It's just something that happens that we can consider as we ask these questions about differential participation.
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2014, 10:48:49 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

Exactly. In those cases, technical expertise and financial expertise respectively do separate people here. :) One part will think "oh, interesting, let me contribute" the other part will think "oh damn, those tech things, I better shut up no to make a fool of myself".

So, what do we do now? :)
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« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2014, 10:57:49 pm »

Do you imply women are hiding here?

I wouldn't say "hiding." That word might suggest deception or inauthenticity. I just mean that when there's a discussion about the best way to implement transparent forging, or someone asks for help understanding how to ascertain the value proposition of a particular asset, gender doesn't usually come up.

Exactly. In those cases, technical expertise and financial expertise respectively do separate people here. :) One part will think "oh, interesting, let me contribute" the other part will think "oh damn, those tech things, I better shut up no to make a fool of myself".

So, what do we do now? :)

Good question.

I am a teacher, and I see amazing things happen when the normally loudest people in the classroom take the listening challenge.
 
I'm a guy. So one thing I can do right now is shut the hell up and see who else wants to speak from their own experience.
 
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Re: Ladies In The Community
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2014, 11:05:11 pm »

This is a very interesting question. I want to challenge assumptions we might be making. How do we know that there are very few women in the Nxt world, or in cryptos in general?

Here's a surprising finding: among people 35 and older who play video games online, women outnumber men in many locales. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/10472696/Women-gamers-aged-over-35-outnumber-men.html

I wonder if the types of games played and the reasons for those game choices tell us something about gender-specific preferences in general.*

*Generalizations are always dangerous, but we must start somewhere.

Interesting study! Yet another reason why I'm keeping an eye on 'Lith'.  :)  Maybe 'NXT Pinterest' too? Or maybe we could come up with a way that NXT users could make their own simple games and share them with friends... they could even get tips or some kind of reward if enough people like it...
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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2014, 01:59:10 am »

So, true. Humans (and most other living beings on this planet) think associatively most of the time i.e. input will be mapped to output fast and unwittingly.

+1... Which month of the calendar did you prefer to pose for?  ;D
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