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10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« on: June 18, 2014, 02:31:04 pm »

After reading threads about Nxt on BTT I noticed one guy - TaunSew. His writing style (wording and political ideas) sounds very similar to the style of another guy - UtopianFuture. Quick check of their stats showed that it can be the same guy - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182582;sa=statPanel and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=230227;sa=statPanel. More interesting that his speech when he writes nonsense about Nxt is similar to speech of that UF's sockpuppet he was caught using.

I'm on vacation now and my abilities r very limited, so I decided to put a bounty of 10'000 NXT for analysis that will confirm or counter the claim that UtopianFuture and TaunSew is the same person. Anyone who is interested in the reward must post there their analysis till 27th of June. After I'm back home I'll pay the money to one who provides the best from my PoV analysis.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2014, 02:38:35 pm »

Yeah, my analysis: You are more often right than wrong. So he's UP.

Let's see who can make a better analysis. Right now, the 10,000 goes to me ;D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2014, 02:47:48 pm »

I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2014, 02:49:12 pm »

This post proves it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651057.msg7361552#msg7361552


Quote from: ShroomsKit_Disgrace
Quote from: TaunSew
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TaunSew = UtopianFuture = 3000NEM stakeholders.

As well as other issues  :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2014, 02:57:05 pm »

I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)

I have seen Nxters try to correct him with this, he does it deliberately to try to annoy.

But a rose by any other name would smell as sweet  ;D  "Not if you called it StinkBlossom. Or Crapweed." - The Simpsons  :D :D :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 03:59:18 pm »

Im confident they are not the same person.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 12:31:39 am by Steve »
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2014, 04:29:03 pm »

Reserved.. I think this might take a lot
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 04:38:50 pm »

I'm on vacation now and my abilities r very limited, so I decided to put a bounty of 10'000 NXT for analysis that will confirm or counter the claim that UtopianFuture and TaunSew is the same person.

Hi CfB, ok. Is utopianfuture from Canada (I thought Russia, don't know where I picked this up)? Here's what I did in four images:

<images removed>

Have a nice vacation.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 05:11:58 pm »

A few interesting posts about TS of which he deleted some(all?) on Bitcointalk for unknown reasons:

Using bitcointa.lk archive:

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-college-worth-it-so-many-graduates-in-debt-underemployed.284318/page-3#post-5692948
=> he was born between 1980-2000, probably 1990ish

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/nem-nem-new-economy-movement-no-envy-movement-updates-discussion-thread.242825/page-245#post-5714321
=> he claims having requested one NEM stake in total

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/nem-nem-new-economy-movement-no-envy-movement-updates-discussion-thread.242825/page-245#post-5713180
=> he registered on BCT for the NEMstake, which explains his first post.

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-college-worth-it-so-many-graduates-in-debt-underemployed.284318/page-3#post-5696547
=> he has a degree

random:
dox.log shows he's using SGH-I337M == Samsung Galaxy S4. He was browsing from this device without any proxy using his local IP.


addendum:
  if UP's claim back in December 2013 is correct, he's from Massachusetts, MA:
  https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,28.msg8236.html#msg8236
« Last Edit: June 28, 2014, 09:27:16 am by instacash »
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 05:48:28 pm »

i am looking at conducting speech analyzis.

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 06:14:08 pm »

i am looking at conducting speech analyzis.

~CfA~

Lol, I'd put money on it that you ARE Taunsew  :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 06:16:14 pm »

instacash, what app is that to view the code? Looks like Sublime Text with Yosemite?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 06:27:54 pm »

Sublime Text with Yosemite?

Yeah, almost: TextMate 2.0 + Yosemite

=> http://i.imgur.com/9OhniAy.png
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 06:30:10 pm »

i am looking at conducting speech analyzis.

~CfA~
I'm also taking a look at pure text analysis on the posts of UF and TaunSew.
My impression has always been, up until now, that UF and TaunSew are not the same person.

I've been doing a small amount of research on text analysis, and it does seem to be a fairly powerful tool, but it is best suited to proving a negative: ie that A and B are not the same person. Proving that A is B via text analysis alone is a lot more difficult, if not impossible.

Give me a few hours and I'll come up with an initial conclusion, then we can discuss my fee...... ::)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2014, 06:32:04 pm »

I feel certain that UF is not TS after my investigation.

Looking forward to more community input as well as the next bounty: identify and prove potential existence of actual Bitcointalk alts/sockpuppets of utopianfuture other than ghosthouse .. . anyone? ;D

(I am not against NEM, just having fun)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 09:02:49 pm »

Not the same person. TaunSew used a word a couple of time "$hitcoin" never used by UF
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 09:08:43 pm »

I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)

I totally agree with you that UP and TS are not the same person. I just wanted to bring up again who concluded that first...  ;D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 09:14:20 pm »

Not the same person. TaunSew used a word a couple of time "$hitcoin" never used by UF
I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)

Eadeqa & cc001, I agree with your conclusion. However, we should never forget that merely analysing speech doesn't say all too much: one can select a certain way of writing on purpose to appear as a different person. For this very reason I chose and endorse a different approach not relying merely on speech analysis.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 09:31:35 pm »

Yep....I'm voting for UF not being TaunSew.

After some not very deep analysis of around 1000 words of text from both accounts, using:
http://textalyser.net/index.php?lang=en
I can find almost no similarities between the two.

The only connection I can find is that both are not native English speakers, though TaunSew has a much better command of English.

That's it, my conclusion is that Utopianfuture is not TaunSew.
(I cant be 100% certain on this, but it is very difficult for people to consistently fake their writing style, so I'm going for 95% certainty)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 09:39:30 pm »

(I cant be 100% certain on this, but it is very difficult for people to consistently fake their writing style, so I'm going for 95% certainty)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2014, 11:11:30 pm »

You know its obvious what is going on here...


YOU ARE ALL UF SOCKPUPPETS TRYING TO THROW US OFF THE SCENT!!



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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2014, 11:13:54 pm »

i was wondering why it was so hard to sit down.......it's because of that pesky C-f-B hand up my jacksy, of course!
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2014, 11:30:06 pm »

i was wondering why it was so hard to sit down.......it's because of that pesky C-f-B hand up my jacksy, of course!

THAT'S what feels so good!
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2014, 06:24:14 am »

A guy who used to have a few BTT sockpuppets knows how to use proxy servers (coz BTT doesn't allow registration from Tor). Knows that few unusual words (or unusual spelling) distracts attention those who heard about speech analysis. And will never be caught the 2nd time. Don't relax too much :).
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2014, 11:22:31 am »

A guy who used to have a few BTT sockpuppets knows how to use proxy servers (coz BTT doesn't allow registration from Tor). Knows that few unusual words (or unusual spelling) distracts attention those who heard about speech analysis. And will never be caught the 2nd time. Don't relax too much :).

Definitely, but the IP used is not a proxy. It's an IP from (mobile) carrier in Tsawwassen, Canada. TS is not UP, he's just a fellow with weird opinions towards NXT and who happened to be defending UP ;)

It'd be interesting to find more Bitcointalk alts of utopianfuture such as ghosthouse.


I'm going to blur his IP on the images now.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2014, 11:30:01 am »

If u tried to track my IP u would see that it belongs to GSM modem of a person who has no connection to me. Speech analysis is the only thing that can give reliable answer.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2014, 11:31:29 am »

If u tried to track my IP u would see that it belongs to GSM modem of a person who has no connection to me. Speech analysis is the only thing that can give reliable answer.

We analysed his speech/background as well. He's not UP. Let's find actual accounts of UP instead.

As a side note UP sockpuppet wouldn't post such personal remarks: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-college-worth-it-so-many-graduates-in-debt-underemployed.284318/page-3#post-5696547
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2014, 11:35:19 am »

We analysed his speech/background as well. He's not UP. Let's find actual accounts of UP instead.

I'm not interested in other UF accounts. Gonna wait till 27th, someone may decide to do speech analysis in other manner. Truth can't be found by voting.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2014, 11:48:04 am »

We analysed his speech/background as well. He's not UP. Let's find actual accounts of UP instead.

I'm not interested in other UF accounts. Gonna wait till 27th, someone may decide to do speech analysis in other manner. Truth can't be found by voting.

Sure, go for another speech analysis if you're undecided. I for one am not interested in TaunSew as this case is clear to me.

I'm more interested in falsifying/verifying claims that are made on Bitcointalk about UP having sold tens or hundreds of sockpuppet accounts' stakes (so far without evidence) but this is not intention of your thread.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2014, 01:15:45 pm »

When u find all UF accounts u could try to spot original BCNext account.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2014, 01:29:03 pm »

If u tried to track my IP u would see that it belongs to GSM modem of a person who has no connection to me.
Btw CfB is not Average Joe, AJ doesn't really bother hiding IP.

When u find all UF accounts u could try to spot original BCNext account.
heh, I have my theory on that ;D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2014, 05:57:56 pm »

accidental?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2014, 03:03:31 am »

I'm on vacation now and my abilities r very limited, so I decided to put a bounty of 10'000 NXT for analysis that will confirm or counter the claim that UtopianFuture and TaunSew is the same person. Anyone who is interested in the reward must post there their analysis till 27th of June. After I'm back home I'll pay the money to one who provides the best from my PoV analysis.

Challenge accepted.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 07:57:34 am »

Another bounty for those who r bored - http://pastebin.com/taUW99RE
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 08:10:07 am »

I assume you are totally aware of this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656116.0

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2014, 08:24:22 am »

Yes.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2014, 09:07:56 am »

Do you have any other easier bounty cfb?  8)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2014, 09:12:16 am »

Do you have any other easier bounty cfb?  8)

No, sorry.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2014, 10:00:55 am »

i provided the fundamental information of Joshua bluemeanie1 -basis for the future research

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2014, 08:52:51 am »

already its June 28 here in kharkov.  have u sent the bounty?

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2014, 08:57:05 am »

already its June 28 here in kharkov.  have u sent the bounty?

~CfA~

No, now I need time to analyse the results.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2014, 09:18:32 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

You might have to add https and www in the beginning of the link. The forum did not allow me to post external links.

Not used to these forums and did not manage to post it here with images.

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2014, 09:20:48 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

You might have to add https and www in the beginning of the link. The forum did not allow me to post external links.

Not used to these forums and did not manage to post it here with images.

till 27th of June dude... its over already.  u are too late
~CfA~

e;  i just read ur made up report and want to thank u for the hearty laugh i had.  noob :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2014, 09:26:36 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

You might have to add https and www in the beginning of the link. The forum did not allow me to post external links.

Not used to these forums and did not manage to post it here with images.

Interesting. Is it possible to get all the data u prepared and used? U r too late but ur analysis is worth a special bonus.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2014, 09:27:41 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

You might have to add https and www in the beginning of the link. The forum did not allow me to post external links.

Not used to these forums and did not manage to post it here with images.

Interesting. Is it possible to get all the data u prepared and used? U r too late but ur analysis is worth a special bonus.

You told me GMT-12, that should not be too late, right?

You can have all raw data, but that will cost the bounty.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2014, 09:29:08 am »

Wow jnsptrsn !!

It seems you put your work on it!  :)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2014, 09:30:31 am »

You can have all raw data, but that will cost the bounty.

hahahahahaha "that will cost the bounty"  :D

dude u know that we all confirmed this person is not TaunSew right?  u r truly a funny man.

i say post ur ohsogreat data and lets see what u've got haha :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2014, 09:31:57 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

You might have to add https and www in the beginning of the link. The forum did not allow me to post external links.

Not used to these forums and did not manage to post it here with images.

Interesting. Is it possible to get all the data u prepared and used? U r too late but ur analysis is worth a special bonus.

You told me GMT-12, that should not be too late, right?

You can have all raw data, but that will cost the bounty.

Sorry, I did make a mistake with timezones. U r on time.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2014, 09:35:40 am »

dude u know that we all confirmed this person is not TaunSew right?  u r truly a funny man.

Where did you confirm TaunSew != UP? I personally know this is the case (TS is not UP) but you were not one of those who took part in confirming this ;)

P.S. GMT-12?  ::) ;D Eniwetok and Kwajalein?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2014, 09:38:58 am »

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

Please check the word frequency and cosine similarity for the following pairs too...   ::)

BCNext <---> Come-from-Beyond

BCNext <---> qora
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2014, 09:40:01 am »

You can have all raw data, but that will cost the bounty.

It will take a lot of time to repeat ur approach. What about such the way: I pay the bounty to someone else, then I will do ur approach using ur data and if the result is the same then I'll pay u 30'000 NXT. If in the result it's not clear that UF == TS then u'll get nothing. OK?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2014, 09:42:19 am »

dude u know that we all confirmed this person is not TaunSew right?  u r truly a funny man.

Where did you confirm TaunSew != UP? I personally know this is the case (TS is not UP) but you were not one of those who took part in confirming this ;)

P.S. GMT-12?  ::) ;D Eniwetok and Kwajalein?
i never said I confirmed this dude.  i doxxed bluemeanie1 not the mini case here.

Ok, here is my analysis: dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf

Please check the word frequency and cosine similarity for the following pairs too...   ::)

BCNext <---> Come-from-Beyond

BCNext <---> qora

U nail it,  results be the same randomness like in his report :D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2014, 09:43:25 am »

U nail it,  results be the same randomness like in his report :D

 ???
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2014, 09:45:38 am »

U nail it,  results be the same randomness like in his report :D

 ???

his report is shit cuz it claims opposite of what other members all confirmed by data nobody knows.  its just a writeup to claim 10k nxt :D

so if he does report on BCNext=CfB=Qora=Putin its same results, hes gonna claim they r all the same or not depending on bounty
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2014, 09:46:33 am »

You can have all raw data, but that will cost the bounty.

It will take a lot of time to repeat ur approach. What about such the way: I pay the bounty to someone else, then I will do ur approach using ur data and if the result is the same then I'll pay u 30'000 NXT. If in the result it's not clear that UF == TS then u'll get nothing. OK?

I don't see any other analysis here that can compare to what I did. Therefore I think I should have the bounty.

But if you want to give the bounty to someone else, I will not give the data without a guaranteed pay. 15'000 up front and then the remaining 15'000 if your results are the same.

Remember, I have not claimed that they are the same person, only that it's very likely given the data I have looked at, the 242 users.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2014, 09:47:56 am »

I don't see any other analysis here that can compare to what I did. Therefore I think I should have the bounty.

That's not a valid argument.

[...] analysis that will confirm or counter the claim that UtopianFuture and TaunSew is the same person
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2014, 09:48:06 am »

dude u know that we all confirmed this person is not TaunSew right?  u r truly a funny man.
That doesn't approve that we are right and he is wrong. I don't know if his data is valid and correct and not faked, but at least he put some work in it, even if it is faked or wrong ;)

I still hope I get the bounty because of my sophisticated NxT <-> Nxt analysis  ;D
edit: ... and the correct result UP != TS  :P
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2014, 09:50:16 am »

I don't see any other analysis here that can compare to what I did. Therefore I think I should have the bounty.

But if you want to give the bounty to someone else, I will not give the data without a guaranteed pay. 15'000 up front and then the remaining 15'000 if your results are the same.

Remember, I have not claimed that they are the same person, only that it's very likely given the data I have looked at, the 242 users.

Is there a way to check that u really did the analysis? Maybe open the raw data and make some screenshots, post the code that did that cosine comparison?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2014, 09:50:22 am »

???

his report is shit cuz it claims opposite of what other members all confirmed by data nobody knows.  its just a writeup to claim 10k nxt :D

so if he does report on BCNext=CfB=Qora=Putin its same results, hes gonna claim they r all the same or not depending on bounty

You're free to express yourself...  just don't make it seem that I was saying the same thing as you!   ;)
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2014, 09:59:34 am »

I don't see any other analysis here that can compare to what I did. Therefore I think I should have the bounty.

But if you want to give the bounty to someone else, I will not give the data without a guaranteed pay. 15'000 up front and then the remaining 15'000 if your results are the same.

Remember, I have not claimed that they are the same person, only that it's very likely given the data I have looked at, the 242 users.

Is there a way to check that u really did the analysis? Maybe open the raw data and make some screenshots, post the code that did that cosine comparison?

Here is a data sample: dropbox.com/s/tq0uh8t2dloyook/user.46556.zip

Now I'm off to breakfast. I'm sure we can find a way to prove I did the analysis, I can PM you something later. But I need you to agree on the bounty or my 15/15-suggestion before that.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2014, 10:11:10 am »

Here is a data sample: dropbox.com/s/tq0uh8t2dloyook/user.46556.zip

Now I'm off to breakfast. I'm sure we can find a way to prove I did the analysis, I can PM you something later. But I need you to agree on the bounty or my 15/15-suggestion before that.

Thx. What about the escrow with anon136? He will hold the 30'000 NXT and judge, I pay for the escrow service.

PS: Afk for ~5-7 hours.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2014, 10:20:01 am »

Thx. What about the escrow with anon136? He will hold the 30'000 NXT and judge, I pay for the escrow service.

CfB did you have a great vacation? ;) If you're thinking about spending 30K NXT for a report/approach which is merely assuming not proving, please consider donating such amounts to individual(s) who're constantly working on NXT and getting peanuts as donations instead. I'd say spread the initial 10K to those who participated or to the best analysis. Just my 2 Nxt.

P.S.
I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)
This analysis is better than the report in my eyes because (1) the result is correct and (2) it's straight to the point ;D

Well, have a great one everybody!
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2014, 10:50:40 am »

CfB did you have a great vacation? ;) If you're thinking about spending 30K NXT for a report/approach which is merely assuming not proving, please consider donating such amounts to individual(s) who're constantly working on NXT and getting peanuts as donations instead (i.e. wesleyh). I'd say spread the initial 10K to those who participated or to the best analysis. Just my 2 Nxt.
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I don't think it's him, UP always writes "Nxt", never "NxT", TaunSwe uses almost always "NxT". My 10k ;)
This analysis is better than the report in my eyes because (1) the result is correct and (2) because it's straight to the point ;D
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2014, 11:19:13 am »

Here is a data sample: dropbox.com/s/tq0uh8t2dloyook/user.46556.zip

Now I'm off to breakfast. I'm sure we can find a way to prove I did the analysis, I can PM you something later. But I need you to agree on the bounty or my 15/15-suggestion before that.

Thx. What about the escrow with anon136? He will hold the 30'000 NXT and judge, I pay for the escrow service.

PS: Afk for ~5-7 hours.

Here is my interpretation of the situation: I did not win the bounty and now you want my data for free. Maybe you'll send 30'000 after some time, maybe not. I know you have reputation in the community so I trust you, but I want some guaranteed coins.

We can escrow with anon136. Here is the suggestion:

0. anon136 confirms he will escrow
1. I give you the data for all users on the same form as earlier posted.
2. anon136 send me 15'000 NXT
3. I can give you pointers to get you started with the analysis, if you want. Not sharing my code, though.
4. You do what you want with the data and if you decide that my analysis was solid anon136 send me another 15'000

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2014, 11:23:41 am »

Here is a data sample: dropbox.com/s/tq0uh8t2dloyook/user.46556.zip

Now I'm off to breakfast. I'm sure we can find a way to prove I did the analysis, I can PM you something later. But I need you to agree on the bounty or my 15/15-suggestion before that.

Thx. What about the escrow with anon136? He will hold the 30'000 NXT and judge, I pay for the escrow service.

PS: Afk for ~5-7 hours.

Here is my interpretation of the situation: I did not win the bounty and now you want my data for free. Maybe you'll send 30'000 after some time, maybe not. I know you have reputation in the community so I trust you, but I want some guaranteed coins.

We can escrow with anon136. Here is the suggestion:

0. anon136 confirms he will escrow
1. I give you the data for all users on the same form as earlier posted.
2. anon136 send me 15'000 NXT
3. I can give you pointers to get you started with the analysis, if you want. Not sharing my code, though.
4. You do what you want with the data and if you decide that my analysis was solid anon136 send me another 15'000

ROTFL  15000 nxt for shitty writeup proving nothing.  im beginning to like u man. <3

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2014, 11:27:08 am »

Here is a data sample: dropbox.com/s/tq0uh8t2dloyook/user.46556.zip

Now I'm off to breakfast. I'm sure we can find a way to prove I did the analysis, I can PM you something later. But I need you to agree on the bounty or my 15/15-suggestion before that.

Thx. What about the escrow with anon136? He will hold the 30'000 NXT and judge, I pay for the escrow service.

PS: Afk for ~5-7 hours.

Here is my interpretation of the situation: I did not win the bounty and now you want my data for free. Maybe you'll send 30'000 after some time, maybe not. I know you have reputation in the community so I trust you, but I want some guaranteed coins.

We can escrow with anon136. Here is the suggestion:

0. anon136 confirms he will escrow
1. I give you the data for all users on the same form as earlier posted.
2. anon136 send me 15'000 NXT
3. I can give you pointers to get you started with the analysis, if you want. Not sharing my code, though.
4. You do what you want with the data and if you decide that my analysis was solid anon136 send me another 15'000

ROTFL  15000 nxt for shitty writeup proving nothing.  im beginning to like u man. <3

~CfA~

Happy to have you as a fan :)
15'000 for the data.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2014, 01:10:14 pm »

2. anon136 send me 15'000 NXT

Then there is no point for the escrow.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2014, 01:20:34 pm »

2. anon136 send me 15'000 NXT

Then there is no point for the escrow.

Hmm, no? Ahh, I wrote that I should send you the data instead of anon136 in step 1?

Anyway, I don't really see the need for an escrow here if I have your word. And I will send you enough code and instructions so you can reproduce the user similarity comparison very quick, assuming that you are familiar to Python?

So, data+get-you-started-code = 15000 NXT?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2014, 01:22:06 pm »

I'd say spread the initial 10K to those who participated or to the best analysis. Just my 2 Nxt.

Ur analysis is the best from my point of view. PM me with ur Nxt account plz.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2014, 01:24:25 pm »

Hmm, no? Ahh, I wrote that I should send you the data instead of anon136 in step 1?

Anyway, I don't really see the need for an escrow here if I have your word. And I will send you enough code and instructions so you can reproduce the user similarity comparison very quick, assuming that you are familiar to Python?

So, data+get-you-started-code = 15000 NXT?

No NXT will be paid if the result contradicts ur results coz there is still a possibility of a scam. If u really had got such results as u said u shouldn't worry, there is no need to ask for 15k in advance.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2014, 01:30:01 pm »

Hmm, no? Ahh, I wrote that I should send you the data instead of anon136 in step 1?

Anyway, I don't really see the need for an escrow here if I have your word. And I will send you enough code and instructions so you can reproduce the user similarity comparison very quick, assuming that you are familiar to Python?

So, data+get-you-started-code = 15000 NXT?

No NXT will be paid if the result contradicts ur results coz there is still a possibility of a scam. If u really had got such results as u said u shouldn't worry, there is no need to ask for 15k in advance.


If you mean getting the same "similarity scores" as I do, then I'm not worried. Is that what you mean with result? I don't want to come to a situation were you agree that my calculations were solid, but you did not like my method.


PS. Since my method is already known.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2014, 01:37:36 pm »

If you mean getting the same "similarity scores" as I do, then I'm not worried. Is that what you mean with result?

Yes.


I don't want to come to a situation were you agree that my calculations were solid, but you did not like my method.

Method looks fine, anyway Anon136 will judge.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2014, 01:40:51 pm »

If you mean getting the same "similarity scores" as I do, then I'm not worried. Is that what you mean with result?

Yes.


I don't want to come to a situation were you agree that my calculations were solid, but you did not like my method.

Method looks fine, anyway Anon136 will judge.

Great, then we are on the same page. I will prepare some code and send it hopefully within the hour. I'm open for all kinds of questions via PM.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2014, 01:46:20 pm »

Great, then we are on the same page. I will prepare some code and send it hopefully within the hour. I'm open for all kinds of questions via PM.

I need only data and code that calculates Cosine(). I PMed Anon136 and waiting for his reply.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2014, 02:16:20 pm »

Great, then we are on the same page. I will prepare some code and send it hopefully within the hour. I'm open for all kinds of questions via PM.

I need only data and code that calculates Cosine(). I PMed Anon136 and waiting for his reply.

You have PM.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2014, 04:32:35 pm »

I got the data and the code from jnsptrsn but I'm going to write my own code to make sure the results r correct. Tomorrow I should have it done.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2014, 04:39:28 pm »

so u paid 10k bounty?  what will u do with that data- check his result?

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2014, 04:45:13 pm »

so u paid 10k bounty?  what will u do with that data- check his result?

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I paid the bounty to instacash. Jnsptrsn is supposed to get 30k if I get similar results.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2014, 09:48:23 pm »

so u paid 10k bounty?  what will u do with that data- check his result?

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I paid the bounty to instacash. Jnsptrsn is supposed to get 30k if I get similar results.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2014, 11:18:38 am »

I made sure that the result is indeed almost the same as described in dropbox.com/s/5jqbuuxg8aluhng/report.pdf, now I'm going to check if the input data r correct...
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« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2014, 12:18:45 pm »

I checked random posts of UF and TS, the data look good.

@jnsptrsn, PM me with ur address plz, that was a fun exercise, thank u.
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« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2014, 12:22:12 pm »

I checked random posts of UF and TS, the data look good.

@jnsptrsn, PM me with ur address plz, that was a fun exercise, thank u.

Cool, good work with the peer review!

You have PM.
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« Reply #82 on: June 29, 2014, 12:27:26 pm »

The thread is closed but I don't mind if u discuss there how to spot Satoshi and BCNext. :)
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« Reply #83 on: June 29, 2014, 12:30:48 pm »

I checked random posts of UF and TS, the data look good.

@jnsptrsn, PM me with ur address plz, that was a fun exercise, thank u.

Got the NXT, thanks!
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #84 on: June 29, 2014, 01:53:49 pm »

Hi guys. I'm Makoto, one of the core devs on NEM.

My MS thesis was based on text data mining, so I feel qualified to comment.

Both TS and UP seem to be non-native English speakers and from my experience, non-native speakers from the same region often make similar mistakes, which could artificially bias the results. I didn't see any discussion as to what kind of stop-word removal/stemming and other data preprocessing were done, so I can't say if this would have an effect or not. Cosine similarity is a good metric as a starting point, but it might be susceptible to correlated errors like this.

One method that might be less susceptible to noise would be:

  • Collect text for each user and compute tf-idf matrix for Nxw (N = users; w=features/words)
  • Perform non-negative matrix factorization to find factors of tf-idf matrix (n=100 might be a good starting point)
  • You can then compute a probability distribution of factors for each users' text. Once you have that, compute the pairwise KL Divergence between all distributions to cluster users.

That might be a simple starting point. You can also use t-SNE (h ttp://homepage.tudelft.nl/19j49/t-SNE.html) or probabilistic archetypal analysis (h ttp://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7604). That should be kinda fun :)

But did anyone try asking TS if he is UP? UP said he no longer had a presence on BTT, so I am not sure it is him. The "voice" is also somewhat different, too. UP was more academic.

On another level, why do you even want to know? How would it change your life or affect you or anyone else? Compared with the task of solving inequity in the world's financial systems, I don't really think this is such an interesting problem even if it could be solved.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #85 on: June 29, 2014, 02:09:11 pm »

Hi guys. I'm Makoto, one of the core devs on NEM.

My MS thesis was based on text data mining, so I feel qualified to comment.

Both TS and UP seem to be non-native English speakers and from my experience, non-native speakers from the same region often make similar mistakes, which could artificially bias the results. I didn't see any discussion as to what kind of stop-word removal/stemming and other data preprocessing were done, so I can't say if this would have an effect or not. Cosine similarity is a good metric as a starting point, but it might be susceptible to correlated errors like this.

One method that might be less susceptible to noise would be:

  • Collect text for each user and compute tf-idf matrix for Nxw (N = users; w=features/words)
  • Perform non-negative matrix factorization to find factors of tf-idf matrix (n=100 might be a good starting point)
  • You can then compute a probability distribution of factors for each users' text. Once you have that, compute the pairwise KL Divergence between all distributions to cluster users.

That might be a simple starting point. You can also use t-SNE (h ttp://homepage.tudelft.nl/19j49/t-SNE.html) or probabilistic archetypal analysis (h ttp://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7604). That should be kinda fun :)

But did anyone try asking TS if he is UP? UP said he no longer had a presence on BTT, so I am not sure it is him. The "voice" is also somewhat different, too. UP was more academic.

On another level, why do you even want to know? How would it change your life or affect you or anyone else? Compared with the task of solving inequity in the world's financial systems, I don't really think this is such an interesting problem even if it could be solved.

Thank u for the suggestions, one day when I'm bored I may try to use this approach. For me finding out if UF == TS was a funny game, I got a feeling that they r the same person so I decided to check how good my intuition is. AFAIK TaunSew is not a key person of NEM community so it doesn't really matter if he is UF or not.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #86 on: June 29, 2014, 02:38:53 pm »

I checked random posts of UF and TS, the data look good.

@jnsptrsn, PM me with ur address plz, that was a fun exercise, thank u.

Got the NXT, thanks!

LOL that was easy money dude

~CfA~       r we having more bounties?
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« Reply #87 on: June 29, 2014, 02:50:25 pm »

Hi guys. I'm Makoto, one of the core devs on NEM.

My MS thesis was based on text data mining, so I feel qualified to comment.

Both TS and UP seem to be non-native English speakers and from my experience, non-native speakers from the same region often make similar mistakes, which could artificially bias the results. I didn't see any discussion as to what kind of stop-word removal/stemming and other data preprocessing were done, so I can't say if this would have an effect or not. Cosine similarity is a good metric as a starting point, but it might be susceptible to correlated errors like this.

One method that might be less susceptible to noise would be:

  • Collect text for each user and compute tf-idf matrix for Nxw (N = users; w=features/words)
  • Perform non-negative matrix factorization to find factors of tf-idf matrix (n=100 might be a good starting point)
  • You can then compute a probability distribution of factors for each users' text. Once you have that, compute the pairwise KL Divergence between all distributions to cluster users.

That might be a simple starting point. You can also use t-SNE (h ttp://homepage.tudelft.nl/19j49/t-SNE.html) or probabilistic archetypal analysis (h ttp://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7604). That should be kinda fun :)

But did anyone try asking TS if he is UP? UP said he no longer had a presence on BTT, so I am not sure it is him. The "voice" is also somewhat different, too. UP was more academic.

On another level, why do you even want to know? How would it change your life or affect you or anyone else? Compared with the task of solving inequity in the world's financial systems, I don't really think this is such an interesting problem even if it could be solved.

Great comments, thanks!

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« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2014, 03:14:39 pm »

Hi guys. I'm Makoto, one of the core devs on NEM.

My MS thesis was based on text data mining, so I feel qualified to comment.

Both TS and UP seem to be non-native English speakers and from my experience, non-native speakers from the same region often make similar mistakes, which could artificially bias the results. I didn't see any discussion as to what kind of stop-word removal/stemming and other data preprocessing were done, so I can't say if this would have an effect or not. Cosine similarity is a good metric as a starting point, but it might be susceptible to correlated errors like this.

One method that might be less susceptible to noise would be:

  • Collect text for each user and compute tf-idf matrix for Nxw (N = users; w=features/words)
  • Perform non-negative matrix factorization to find factors of tf-idf matrix (n=100 might be a good starting point)
  • You can then compute a probability distribution of factors for each users' text. Once you have that, compute the pairwise KL Divergence between all distributions to cluster users.

That might be a simple starting point. You can also use t-SNE (h ttp://homepage.tudelft.nl/19j49/t-SNE.html) or probabilistic archetypal analysis (h ttp://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7604). That should be kinda fun :)

But did anyone try asking TS if he is UP? UP said he no longer had a presence on BTT, so I am not sure it is him. The "voice" is also somewhat different, too. UP was more academic.

On another level, why do you even want to know? How would it change your life or affect you or anyone else? Compared with the task of solving inequity in the world's financial systems, I don't really think this is such an interesting problem even if it could be solved.

Great comments, thanks!

TS said he has a high level of education so he might be UP. These anon nick behaviors are shady so I congratulate CFB for his attempt to find the truth. I also have an intuition that BCNExt bullshit a lot (at the beginning and then via CFB). He said "right of the bat" his business was worth several million dollar in a few months and much later he said he forgot to send his 1 BTC in. It seems like he did not want people know how much NXT he owns and started to mix the record. I would like to set a bounty for

1. find, confirm and counter BCNEXT earlier BCT usernames. bounty 10.000 NXT.

2.  not interested in this anymore.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #89 on: June 29, 2014, 03:20:40 pm »

apologize because i want to edit the above post but hit quote instead. Please delete this. 
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2014, 03:26:23 pm »

1. find, confirm and counter BCNEXT earlier BCT usernames. bounty 10.000 NXT.

2. find, confirm and counter how much BCNEXt actually sent to genesis account. bounty 10.000 NXT

Any deadline set? R u planning to use escrow (coz ur post count is quite low)? And what does "." mean, decimal point?
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2014, 03:40:58 pm »

TS said he has a high level of education so he might be UP.
TS is not UP.

1. find, confirm and counter BCNEXT earlier BCT usernames. bounty 10.000 NXT.

2. find, confirm and counter how much BCNEXt actually sent to genesis account. bounty 10.000 NXT


Any deadline set? R u planning to use escrow (coz ur post count is quite low)? And what does "." mean, decimal point?

Also could you please generate and post a token from your account which proves that you hold this amount?

If you use an escrow such as Anon136 (you should if you want people to participate) this is not necessary as he's going to hold the funds for you.
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« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2014, 03:49:05 pm »

TS said he has a high level of education so he might be UP.
TS is not UP. jnsptrsn's report said it is likely

1. find, confirm and counter BCNEXT earlier BCT usernames. bounty 10.000 NXT.

2. find, confirm and counter how much BCNEXt actually sent to genesis account. bounty 10.000 NXT


Any deadline set? R u planning to use escrow (coz ur post count is quite low)? And what does "." mean, decimal point?

Also could you please generate and post a token from your account which proves that you hold this amount?

If you use an escrow such as Anon136 (you should if you want people to participate) this is not necessary as he's going to hold the funds for you.

I need to buy some NXT first. Escrow is okay but why should I trust Anon136 ? Not interested in 2 any more coz it is impossible. But still interested in 1.
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2014, 03:57:05 pm »

I need to buy some NXT first. Escrow is okay but why should I trust Anon136 ? Not interested in 2 any more coz it is impossible. But still interested in 1.

Anon136 was just an example of a user/escrow who's generally trusted here.
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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2014, 07:30:55 pm »

Well since I didn't finish in time I believe they are both from Vietnamese heritage. The TaunSew account was likely created as an Alt, its creation was in a string of accounts all made around 15 minutes apart. I forget what else I came up with.


Link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsjqR4XOHEafhuLMsQNi4mzGHhFDrJDeWwC2-6b-6Fw/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2014, 07:41:12 pm »

Well since I didn't finish in time I believe they are both from Vietnamese heritage. The TaunSew account was likely created as an Alt, its creation was in a string of accounts all made around 15 minutes apart. I forget what else I came up with.


Link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsjqR4XOHEafhuLMsQNi4mzGHhFDrJDeWwC2-6b-6Fw/edit?usp=sharing

I recall u posted some of this info but later I wasn't able to find it, looks like u deleted it. PM me with ur account plz.
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« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2014, 07:43:57 pm »

Well since I didn't finish in time I believe they are both from Vietnamese heritage. The TaunSew account was likely created as an Alt, its creation was in a string of accounts all made around 15 minutes apart. I forget what else I came up with.


Link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsjqR4XOHEafhuLMsQNi4mzGHhFDrJDeWwC2-6b-6Fw/edit?usp=sharing

I recall u posted some of this info but later I wasn't able to find it, looks like u deleted it. PM me with ur account plz.

I kept it!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zOAyMQm0gb5Ojxy_IiBDmrz5Y9HIKEEFPNNflSAbKJw/edit?usp=sharing

And surely!
NXT-WDEZ-CJW6-LHSZ-6RGA2
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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2014, 07:49:12 pm »

1. find, confirm and counter BCNEXT earlier BCT usernames. bounty 10.000 NXT.

2. find, confirm and counter how much BCNEXt actually sent to genesis account. bounty 10.000 NXT

Any deadline set? R u planning to use escrow (coz ur post count is quite low)? And what does "." mean, decimal point?

. is , in some languages. :)
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« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2014, 07:52:17 pm »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsjqR4XOHEafhuLMsQNi4mzGHhFDrJDeWwC2-6b-6Fw/edit?usp=sharing

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In reference to all of the above I am confident that user UtopianFuture has some strong connection to vietnamese lineage, and a minor connection to Massachusetts and its higher educational system.

From https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,28.msg8236.html#msg8236:

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« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2014, 07:56:52 pm »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsjqR4XOHEafhuLMsQNi4mzGHhFDrJDeWwC2-6b-6Fw/edit?usp=sharing

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In reference to all of the above I am confident that user UtopianFuture has some strong connection to vietnamese lineage, and a minor connection to Massachusetts and its higher educational system.

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Massachusetts, MA.

Well it would have been a lot easier if I had found that post :P
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« Reply #100 on: June 29, 2014, 08:01:49 pm »

PS. Thanks for the Nxt mate! Let me know if you ever need anything else!
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« Reply #101 on: June 29, 2014, 09:36:44 pm »

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Re: 10'000 NXT for speech analysis
« Reply #102 on: June 29, 2014, 09:41:33 pm »

In case you missed it...   :D

I am not TaunSew. Leave him alone.

Source: https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/nemstake-discussion/msg56183#msg56183

I can't trust UF's words after that case with a sockpuppet. I also can't trust TS's words after his blatant lie about Nxt.
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« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2014, 01:20:15 am »

In case you missed it...   :D

I am not TaunSew. Leave him alone.

Source: https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/nemstake-discussion/msg56183#msg56183

I can't trust UF's words after that case with a sockpuppet. I also can't trust TS's words after his blatant lie about Nxt.

I agree. Can't trust anon nickname with sockpuppets. I hope you have only one nickname. I also wish you was less trustfull when BCNEXT lied to you about not sending any BTC to the NXT Genesis block. The BCNEXT guy is also a sockpuppet master so it is possible that he has a connection with UF. Could you pay a bounty to find out BCNEXT earlier sockpuppets and his connection with UF ?
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« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2014, 03:59:34 am »

In case you missed it...   :D

I am not TaunSew. Leave him alone.

Source: https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/nemstake-discussion/msg56183#msg56183

I can't trust UF's words after that case with a sockpuppet. I also can't trust TS's words after his blatant lie about Nxt.

I agree. Can't trust anon nickname with sockpuppets. I hope you have only one nickname. I also wish you was less trustfull when BCNEXT lied to you about not sending any BTC to the NXT Genesis block. The BCNEXT guy is also a sockpuppet master so it is possible that he has a connection with UF. Could you pay a bounty to find out BCNEXT earlier sockpuppets and his connection with UF ?

I imagine that BCNext the sockpuppet didn't send any BTC to the genesis address, but BCNext the real person did.  BCNext didn't lie to anyone, his sockpuppet didn't send any BTC.
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« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2014, 05:44:34 am »

Could you pay a bounty to find out BCNEXT earlier sockpuppets and his connection with UF ?

I discussed this issue with jnsptrsn. BCNext posted too few messages to get reliable results and I can't hand over his chat log.
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