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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:49:07 pm »
UPDATE:

Re topic at https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/

So far 90'670.6862 DeBuNe assets have been sent back to be swapped with ERC20 tokens.

There are still 158'772.24 that needs to be returned Before the end of October, or else they will end up not being swapped.

Whoever desires to swap the DeBuNe assets with DBN after the launch of the DeBuNe blockchain, please send them back specifying so in the message.

15 days left.

Roberto

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DeBuNe / Re: ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:45:19 pm »
UPDATE:

So far 90'670.6862 DeBuNe assets have been sent back to be swapped with ERC20 tokens.

There are still 158'772.24 that needs to be returned Before the end of October, or else they will end up not being swapped.

Whoever desires to swap the DeBuNe assets with DBN after the launch of the DeBuNe blockchain, please send them back specifying so in the message.

15 days left.

Roberto

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 08, 2017, 11:11:39 am »
wow. guys, I had never heard of Komodo before a few days ago when it has been suggested to me.

Honestly, ICOs are 99% made in Ethereum as there is liquidity. I am getting very confused here on what to do not to upset the community and the DeBuNe supporters.

DeBuNe has collected so far about USD20k, that have been used, and are not enough to have something completed.

I have the feeling that trying to raise about USD2M in the AE is not an easy task, if it is possible at all.

I understand that many of you dislike Ethereum, even if it is used ONLY to raise funds.

I understand that many of you dislike Komodo or other internal projects.

I understand that many of you simply don't want to swap tokens outside Nxt.

I also understand that I have to remove the current DeBuNe from the AE by the end of October to then return to the current holder either the ERC20 tokens to later swap for DBN, or let people swap for another vehicle, or let people swap for DBN directly (at a small loss compared the previous opportunities, as this will not gain value during ICO).

Now, I don't want to offend anyone, and at the same time I don't want to exclude anyone.

I am thinking to another possibility to run parallel to the ERC10 tokens, and if you all think with me, we may find a perfect solution ;)

All I want is to have the funds to deliver DeBuNe as initially promised. I can do many private agreements directly in BTC or even ARDR or NXT.

Let me know.

R

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 06, 2017, 08:49:42 am »
...and I understand this makes MANY of you happier...
Are you sure about this point?

I have been made to think so. It is a long time I am "missing" from the scene here, and I don't know the politics around Nxt anymore...

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 06, 2017, 02:59:47 am »
You cannot disable trading for assets, but you can for MS currencies by just make the currency "controllable", IGNIS ICO is done in this way.
https://nxtwiki.org/wiki/Monetary_System#Controllable

Make an "exchangeable" and "controllable" MS currency, request DeBuNe asset holders to swap their assets to the currency, do the ICO after the swap finished. Then no one can trade DeBuNe during the ICO

Adjust the page for IGNIS ICO into a Nxt plugin for DeBuNe ICO could further make it more convenient for people to participate.

I see 3.1.2 Controllable
Controllable currencies can only be transferred to and from the issuing account, and if also exchangeable only the issuing account can publish offers.

So users can't exchange between each other after the ICO is over...

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 04, 2017, 11:49:46 pm »

4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

It will be great if the fund collecting happens on Nxt AE and Ethereum at the same time and both the tokens can be swapped to DeBuNe blockchain tokens later.

If you want to disable trade during the ico, Nxt controllable currency can be used as what is done in ignis ico. DeBuNe asset can be swapped to the currency before ico

I could issue a new asset in this case. Is there a currency setting to have a way to stop trading? I missed this...

R

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 04, 2017, 11:47:31 pm »
Personally, I've been holding DeBuNes for years. I took part in the original ICO back in January 2015 (16NXT/DBN, the current price is at 6.6NXT/DBN), and even bought some more assets in Nxt's Asset Exchange later (in the 2nd ICO and outside the ICO) during all this looong time (almost 3 years). I did it because I liked the project, I trusted Roberto and because it was also good for Nxt. And Roberto has always been a big supporter for Nxt. So I though it was a win-win situation. I hodl! even when the price was going down or when very few information was shared.

With that said, I'm sorry, I must say I don't like the idea of being forced to move from Nxt to Ethereum nor Komodo (nor Waves! ;) ). But yes, that's only my personal opinion.

I wasn't even expecting DeBuNe (was anybody?) to build another blockchain outside Nxt/Ardor for this business. I don't know if I like the idea. Because if this project isn't using Nxt for funding, nor for building the ecosystem, I can't see how it's related to Nxt/Ardor anymore. Maybe we are even chatting in the wrong forum. But maybe more information would clear things up for me.

PS: And yes, I'll have to accept your final decision because nobody is going to sell now their assets at >90% loss after all this time ::)

NOTICE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO USE ERC20 / ETHEREUM. Update:

A) Some of you have contacted me asking how to avoid the swap with the ERC20 tokens and swap directly with the DeBuNe blockchain tokens.

B) Some of you simply don't want to deal with Ethereum. I understand and appreciate this.

I want to clarify that DeBuNe is NOT being implemented with Ethereum.

Case A) I am open to this possibility, and I apologise for not thinking about it beforehand. In this case return the AE token from an Nxt account you will be able to use in the future to send me the DeBuNe blckchain account where I will send the matching DBN.

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier. I will discuss with Komodo the how to, and if all is ok we will proceed to offer DeBuNe also there. Note that in this 3 years I have delivered several working Blockchain projects. I have made a good estimate that for a successful phase 1 of DeBuNe we will need at least USD2M for initial work and bounties. For as much as I love Nxt I understand that is a hard goal to reach this in the AE, thus my intention to move to ERC20, and I am super open to working with Komodo for those of you that prefer not to use Ethereum.

Please let me know if you need more clarifications and have more suggestions, I will be happy to do my best to make it right to everyone.

R

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 03, 2017, 11:04:24 am »

4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:06:36 am »
ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap

ORIGINAL TREAD:

https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/


Getting ready for the ICO!

Now (27 September 2017)
1DBN = 35NXT = 2.45 US Dollar
1NXT = 0.00001684BTC = 0.07 US Dollar
1ETH = 290 US Dollar
thus
1DBN = 0.0085 ETH

The swap of AE DeBuNe toward ERC20 Ethereum tokens is at 1:1.5
(for each 1DBN from the AE you get 1.5DBN ERC20 tokens)

AE <> Token swap will end the 30 of October 2017!

DeBuNe Pre ICO will start the 1st of November and will sell 1DBN at 0.02ETH (for large quantities).


HOW TO CLAIM YOUR ERC20 DeBuNe tokens

First, take note of the addresses of the AE and the ERC20 token:

ERC20 Token: 0x570295aeC9b7196300885eC594049c1C50fEB09c

Account: NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK
DBN Asset Id: 6926770479287491943

Send your DeBuNe assets to NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK adding in a message (either public or encrypted) the Ethereum wallet where you want to receive the ERC20 token.

Requests will be collected until the end of the month of October 2017, and the ERC20 tokens will be sent only after the ICO is started.

Requests of swap received after the end of October MAY not be fulfilled.

For those of you that have heard about BlockchainZoo and are interested in ZOO tokens, send me a message to rob at bcz.ooo

Roberto Capodieci

NOTICE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO USE ERC20 / ETHEREUM. Update:

A) Some of you have contacted me asking how to avoid the swap with the ERC20 tokens and swap directly with the DeBuNe blockchain tokens.

B) Some of you simply don't want to deal with Ethereum. I understand and appreciate this.

I want to clarify that DeBuNe is NOT being implemented with Ethereum.

Case A) I am open to this possibility, and I apologise for not thinking about it beforehand. In this case return the AE token from an Nxt account you will be able to use in the future to send me the DeBuNe blckchain account where I will send the matching DBN.

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier. I will discuss with Komodo the how to, and if all is ok we will proceed to offer DeBuNe also there. Note that in this 3 years I have delivered several working Blockchain projects. I have made a good estimate that for a successful phase 1 of DeBuNe we will need at least USD2M for initial work and bounties. For as much as I love Nxt I understand that is a hard goal to reach this in the AE, thus my intention to move to ERC20, and I am super open to working with Komodo for those of you that prefer not to use Ethereum.

Please let me know if you need more clarifications and have more suggestions, I will be happy to do my best to make it right to everyone.

R

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:06:09 am »
Have you look at the possibility of an Ardor childchain?
Because it look like a waste of ressources to start a blockchain from scratch (i mean security wise)

We need custom functionalities that need custom code.

R

Jelurida has said that they can build custom codes and functionalities for Ardor child chains, if need. Have you look up with them? Maybe not by reading your previous post ???.

Believe me, I did try. I am an associate of the Nxt foundation and been trying to help for years Nxt, then Nxt Foundation, and lastly Jelurida, but mostly with them all I can say is that don't think in the same way...

R

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:03:05 am »
ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap

ORIGINAL TREAD:

https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/


Getting ready for the ICO!

Now (27 September 2017)
1DBN = 35NXT = 2.45 US Dollar
1NXT = 0.00001684BTC = 0.07 US Dollar
1ETH = 290 US Dollar
thus
1DBN = 0.0085 ETH

The swap of AE DeBuNe toward ERC20 Ethereum tokens is at 1:1.5
(for each 1DBN from the AE you get 1.5DBN ERC20 tokens)

AE <> Token swap will end the 30 of October 2017!

DeBuNe Pre ICO will start the 1st of November and will sell 1DBN at 0.02ETH (for large quantities).


HOW TO CLAIM YOUR ERC20 DeBuNe tokens

First, take note of the addresses of the AE and the ERC20 token:

ERC20 Token: 0x570295aeC9b7196300885eC594049c1C50fEB09c

Account: NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK
DBN Asset Id: 6926770479287491943

Send your DeBuNe assets to NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK adding in a message (either public or encrypted) the Ethereum wallet where you want to receive the ERC20 token.

Requests will be collected until the end of the month of October 2017, and the ERC20 tokens will be sent only after the ICO is started.

Requests of swap received after the end of October MAY not be fulfilled.

For those of you that have heard about BlockchainZoo and are interested in ZOO tokens, send me a message to rob at bcz.ooo

Roberto Capodieci

NOTICE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO USE ERC20 / ETHEREUM. Update:

A) Some of you have contacted me asking how to avoid the swap with the ERC20 tokens and swap directly with the DeBuNe blockchain tokens.

B) Some of you simply don't want to deal with Ethereum. I understand and appreciate this.

I want to clarify that DeBuNe is NOT being implemented with Ethereum.

Case A) I am open to this possibility, and I apologise for not thinking about it beforehand. In this case return the AE token from an Nxt account you will be able to use in the future to send me the DeBuNe blckchain account where I will send the matching DBN.

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier. I will discuss with Komodo the how to, and if all is ok we will proceed to offer DeBuNe also there. Note that in this 3 years I have delivered several working Blockchain projects. I have made a good estimate that for a successful phase 1 of DeBuNe we will need at least USD2M for initial work and bounties. For as much as I love Nxt I understand that is a hard goal to reach this in the AE, thus my intention to move to ERC20, and I am super open to working with Komodo for those of you that prefer not to use Ethereum.

Please let me know if you need more clarifications and have more suggestions, I will be happy to do my best to make it right to everyone.

R

32
DeBuNe / Re: ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:01:53 am »
NOTICE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO USE ERC20 / ETHEREUM. Update:

A) Some of you have contacted me asking how to avoid the swap with the ERC20 tokens and swap directly with the DeBuNe blockchain tokens.

B) Some of you simply don't want to deal with Ethereum. I understand and appreciate this.

I want to clarify that DeBuNe is NOT being implemented with Ethereum.

Case A) I am open to this possibility, and I apologise for not thinking about it beforehand. In this case return the AE token from an Nxt account you will be able to use in the future to send me the DeBuNe blckchain account where I will send the matching DBN.

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier. I will discuss with Komodo the how to, and if all is ok we will proceed to offer DeBuNe also there. Note that in this 3 years I have delivered several working Blockchain projects. I have made a good estimate that for a successful phase 1 of DeBuNe we will need at least USD2M for initial work and bounties. For as much as I love Nxt I understand that is a hard goal to reach this in the AE, thus my intention to move to ERC20, and I am super open to working with Komodo for those of you that prefer not to use Ethereum.

Please let me know if you need more clarifications and have more suggestions, I will be happy to do my best to make it right to everyone.

R

33
DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 03, 2017, 12:42:36 am »
Have you look at the possibility of an Ardor childchain?
Because it look like a waste of ressources to start a blockchain from scratch (i mean security wise)

We need custom functionalities that need custom code.

R

34
DeBuNe / Re: ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap
« on: October 03, 2017, 12:39:47 am »

Not even with a gun pointed to my head I would move to Ethereoum. lol

R

This is what was said when the last 10k shares of DeBuNe was being sold for 40NXT each
So the assets were sold for something else than what it was promised to be, which is not proper I think

I believe a lot of people were buying expecting that it will happen on Nxt

Honestly, I was talking about the technology used to implement DeBuNe, not how I would collect the funds to implement it... I apologise for the misunderstanding, and I reassure you that I would NOT use Ethereum as the technology for DeBuNe.

R

35
DeBuNe / Re: ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap
« on: October 01, 2017, 04:04:08 am »
Sure I can help.

For further clarification DeBuNe will have its own blockchain. We have done a lot of work on it already, all financed by myself.

Why not on Nxt? The reason is very sad, I will disclose at due time. I would have loved to work with Nxt, but love must be mutual :)

Anyways, to answer your question, ERC20 tokens will represent the use DeBuNe blockchain. To comply with current tokens regulations the token are sold at a convenient price for the use of a service that has a higher market price later on. And can be traded between users.

Later ERC20 will be swapped for DBN.

More on this in a detailed document when the ICO is presented.

R

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: October 01, 2017, 04:02:11 am »
DeBuNe will have its own blockchain. We have done a lot of work on it already, all financed by myself.

Why not on Nxt? The reason is very sad, I will disclose at due time. I would have loved to work with Nxt, but love must be mutual :)

Anyways, to answer your question, ERC20 tokens will represent the use DeBuNe blockchain. To comply with current tokens regulations the token are sold at a convenient price for the use of a service that has a higher market price later on. And can be traded between users.

Later ERC20 will be swapped for DBN.

More on this in a detailed document when the ICO is presented.

R

37
DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: September 29, 2017, 11:05:51 am »
Guys, you all know my devotion for Nxt since day 1 (or even -1 for that matter).

There are MANY reasons why finally the DeBuNe fundraising is in Ethereum and not (again?) in the Nxt AE.

Some are practical:

1) liquidity in ETH is much higher than liquidity in NXT
2) audience in Ethereum is much wider than in Nxt
3) ICOs ARE in Ethereum
4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor

Then there are other reasons, and I am not sure I can publicly say all them here. Those of you that know me directly and have spoken to me, are free to ping me in Telegram, and I will provide a private explanation. Which is sad, hurts me A LOT, and is concerning (IMO) for the future of Nxt/Ardor. Partially another story.

DeBuNe is happening, and we need real cash to make it happen properly. I would never build DeBuNe on Ethereum, this is not a secret, and as Rubenaco points out, I am not a fan. But here I can collect another USD 20k worth of NXT (the total amount of funds collected so far), and that will not bring DeBuNe ahead so much. Let's be honest, that's the truth. Ethereum has the liquidity I wish Nxt had.

You all should help DeBuNe to collect some serious funding via Ethereum. Enough to fund the development. If there was the chance to collect this in Nxt, I wouldn't have even considered Ethereum for the fundraising.

Cheers, and sorry if this fundraising choice has disappointed some of you...

Roberto

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DeBuNe / Re: ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap
« on: September 29, 2017, 11:05:27 am »
Guys, you all know my devotion for Nxt since day 1 (or even -1 for that matter).

There are MANY reasons why finally the DeBuNe fundraising is in Ethereum and not (again?) in the Nxt AE.

Some are practical:

1) liquidity in ETH is much higher than liquidity in NXT
2) audience in Ethereum is much wider than in Nxt
3) ICOs ARE in Ethereum
4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor

Then there are other reasons, and I am not sure I can publicly say all them here. Those of you that know me directly and have spoken to me, are free to ping me in Telegram, and I will provide a private explanation. Which is sad, hurts me A LOT, and is concerning (IMO) for the future of Nxt/Ardor. Partially another story.

DeBuNe is happening, and we need real cash to make it happen properly. I would never build DeBuNe on Ethereum, this is not a secret, and as Rubenaco points out, I am not a fan. But here I can collect another USD 20k worth of NXT (the total amount of funds collected so far), and that will not bring DeBuNe ahead so much. Let's be honest, that's the truth. Ethereum has the liquidity I wish Nxt had.

You all should help DeBuNe to collect some serious funding via Ethereum. Enough to fund the development. If there was the chance to collect this in Nxt, I wouldn't have even considered Ethereum for the fundraising.

Cheers, and sorry if this fundraising choice has disappointed some of you...

Roberto

39
Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: September 27, 2017, 11:00:46 am »
ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap

ORIGINAL TREAD:

https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/


Getting ready for the ICO!

Now (27 September 2017)
1DBN = 35NXT = 2.45 US Dollar
1NXT = 0.00001684BTC = 0.07 US Dollar
1ETH = 290 US Dollar
thus
1DBN = 0.0085 ETH

The swap of AE DeBuNe toward ERC20 Ethereum tokens is at 1:1.5
(for each 1DBN from the AE you get 1.5DBN ERC20 tokens)

AE <> Token swap will end the 30 of October 2017!

DeBuNe Pre ICO will start the 1st of November and will sell 1DBN at 0.02ETH (for large quantities).


HOW TO CLAIM YOUR ERC20 DeBuNe tokens

First, take note of the addresses of the AE and the ERC20 token:

ERC20 Token: 0x570295aeC9b7196300885eC594049c1C50fEB09c

Account: NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK
DBN Asset Id: 6926770479287491943

Send your DeBuNe assets to NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK adding in a message (either public or encrypted) the Ethereum wallet where you want to receive the ERC20 token.

Requests will be collected until the end of the month of October 2017, and the ERC20 tokens will be sent only after the ICO is started.

Requests of swap received after the end of October MAY not be fulfilled.

For those of you that have heard about BlockchainZoo and are interested in ZOO tokens, send me a message to rob at bcz.ooo

Roberto Capodieci

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DeBuNe / Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« on: September 27, 2017, 11:00:23 am »
ERC20 DeBuNe tokens swap

ORIGINAL TREAD:

https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/


Getting ready for the ICO!

Now (27 September 2017)
1DBN = 35NXT = 2.45 US Dollar
1NXT = 0.00001684BTC = 0.07 US Dollar
1ETH = 290 US Dollar
thus
1DBN = 0.0085 ETH

The swap of AE DeBuNe toward ERC20 Ethereum tokens is at 1:1.5
(for each 1DBN from the AE you get 1.5DBN ERC20 tokens)

AE <> Token swap will end the 30 of October 2017!

DeBuNe Pre ICO will start the 1st of November and will sell 1DBN at 0.02ETH (for large quantities).


HOW TO CLAIM YOUR ERC20 DeBuNe tokens

First, take note of the addresses of the AE and the ERC20 token:

ERC20 Token: 0x570295aeC9b7196300885eC594049c1C50fEB09c

Account: NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK
DBN Asset Id: 6926770479287491943

Send your DeBuNe assets to NXT-GQ27-DD53-YM6K-ER6HK adding in a message (either public or encrypted) the Ethereum wallet where you want to receive the ERC20 token.

Requests will be collected until the end of the month of October 2017, and the ERC20 tokens will be sent only after the ICO is started.

Requests of swap received after the end of October MAY not be fulfilled.

For those of you that have heard about BlockchainZoo and are interested in ZOO tokens, send me a message to rob at bcz.ooo

Roberto Capodieci

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