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Ardor Helpdesk / Re: Missing IGNIS in the ADROR wallet
« on: February 28, 2018, 01:26:12 pm »
The most likely cause is the transaction fee was too low and no bundler would accept the transaction.  The transaction will be discarded after the deadline is reached.  The transaction will need to be issued again with an acceptable fee (check Settings -> Bundlers in the GUI to see the bundler rates).  Note that an additional fee is required for an account which has never sent or received a transaction (base fee for a simple payment is 0.01 IGNIS while the base fee for a new account is 1.01 IGNIS)

Nxt General Discussion / Re: I'm new here!
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:00:39 pm »
Okey thank you!

The fee for the transaction is 0.05 ignis. So I guess Im screwed because AEX customer service doesent seem to exist :)
If you have a new account, you can initialize it by sending or receiving a transaction.  Then the base fee will be 0.01 instead of 1.01 and the fee of 0.05 IGNIS will be sufficient.  AEX has known about this for over a month and hasn't done anything about it other than increase the fixed fee from 0.017 IGNIS to 0.05 IGNIS.

I don't know how AEX handles an expired transaction, which is what will happen if your transaction isn't bundled within the specified deadline (I think AEX uses 1440 for the deadline, which is 1 day).

As a general warning, all AEX users should make sure their account has sent/received at least one transaction before withdrawing from AEX.

Nxt General Discussion / Re: I'm new here!
« on: February 15, 2018, 12:08:52 am »
Barrowing :)

Im trying to transfer my ignis to my wallet from AEX. But it seems that you have to have ardor in order to recieve them to your wallet? I can see the transfer in the wallet but its "not bundled" and unconfirmed.

I bought some ardor to send to my wallet then. But you cant send ARDR from AEX because its suspended..and its also suspended from HITBTC :o

So, can someone send me some ardor so I can get started. I will ofc send you something First with equal value like a couple of ignis?

/ R
You do not need ARDR to send IGNIS from AEX.   The most likely cause for an unbundled transaction is the fee is insufficient for the transaction.  Go to Settings -> Bundlers to see what bundlers are running for the IGNIS chain (the best rate at the moment is 1.82).  A normal IGNIS payment has a base fee of 0.01 except for a new account, then the fee is 1.01.  Multiply the base fee by the rate to see the minimum transaction fee.  Check the fee supplied with your transaction and see if it is sufficient.  If it isn't, you need to contact AEX.

Nxt General Discussion / Re: Help me recover my ardor in my nxt wallet
« on: February 02, 2018, 01:26:50 am »
hi I have problem with me NXT wallet I lost me password from wallet . It was generated from automatic NXT wallet 12 english words and first vord was ****.

Sorry, knowing only a word is almost impossible to recover phrase (even if you know the exact position).
Hope are if you only made a couple of typos or at least you miss only a word or two.
But, even so, is better not to publish part of your known passphrase in public places or unsafe nodes.
Very true.  I'm in the process of updating the Passphrase Recovery tool to handle seed words as well as misspellings.  If you know all of the words except one, the passphrase can be recovered very quickly (assuming you know the order of the known words).  But missing just two words dramatically increases the elapsed time.  I'm currently running a test with two words missing and my guess is it will take a maximum of 2 hours to complete (of course, it will stop if it finds the phrase before then).  It is much worse if you know the words but not the order.

Ardor Software Releases / Re: Ardor v2.0.13
« on: January 30, 2018, 02:51:57 pm »
Can account ledger be filtered by chain? ???
No, but you might be able to accomplish what you want by filtering based on 'holding'.  For example, if you want to see changes to your IGNIS balance, you would filter based on 'holdingType=UNCONFIRMED_COIN_BALANCE' and 'holding=2'.

Ardor General Discussion / Re: [ARDOR] transactions scope
« on: January 27, 2018, 06:16:24 pm »
I don't recall anything limiting the number of transactions.  But the sender would need to have the coin to pay for the transactions since the account balance is reduced for each unconfirmed transaction.
Thanks for your explanation.

Regarding quoted part: can one issue huge number of transactions with 0 fee and they will be distributed across all nodes?
(let's skip the disk space limit for now)
That does seem to be an exposure.  Even though the transactions wouldn't be bundled, they would still be in the unconfirmed pool until they expired.

Ardor General Discussion / Re: [ARDOR] transactions scope
« on: January 26, 2018, 12:36:28 pm »
I think I know the answer but would like to confirm that with you.

Does anyone know what is the scope of newly created transaction? Does it effectively reach all nodes before being bundled?

And second question, on which I don't know the answer :), what are prevention mechanisms if some account will flood Ardor platform with thousands of transactions?
A transaction is bundled when it reaches a node running an acceptable bundler.  In a similar manner, a transaction is included in a block when it reaches a node where a forger has reached its 'hit' time.  It doesn't matter if other nodes have seen the transaction.  When processing a new block, each transaction in the block is validated by each node.  If the block passes validation, all transactions in the block are removed from the unconfirmed transaction pool (it is not an error if the transaction is not in the pool).  Block propagation is improved if the requesting node has some of the block transactions in its unconfirmed pool since it only needs to request transactions that it doesn't know about, thus reducing the network load.

I don't recall anything limiting the number of transactions.  But the sender would need to have the coin to pay for the transactions since the account balance is reduced for each unconfirmed transaction.  Disk space would be a limiter since unconfirmed transactions are stored in a database table, but this is a severe limit since it would result in the node stopping with an 'out of space' error.  Jelurida can give you a better answer since I didn't do much with unconfirmed transactions.

IGNIS / Insufficient IGNIS fee for exchange payment
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:10:11 pm »

This address has been creating IGNIS payments with an insufficient fee, resulting in the transactions remaining unconfirmed.  At the moment, this happens only for new accounts since there is an IGNIS bundler running with a low-enough rate to process payments to existing accounts.  I have been creating the accounts to get these pending transactions processed, but I'm not continually checking for unconfirmed transactions.

Jelurida has contacted the exchange about the problem but it is up to them to correct it.  In the mean time, if you have a new account and expect to receive payments from an exchange, make sure your account is created first.  This can be done by having somebody create a transaction to send you coins or a message.

Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: January 25, 2018, 01:50:45 pm »
Very interesting answer.

As I didn't saw fees table in configuration file that implies that those who want to change fees need to be a Java developers.

I am very curious, how main net would behave if I would run 2-3 nodes with modified (lower) Arodr fees? Will my nodes work correctly with the main net?

I heard that fee that is calculated ('calculate' button) comes in order Ardor_frees_table --> bundler --> calculate_button. If I will produce and run few nodes with modified fees, who then would be able to see lower prices after clicking 'calculate'?
Transactions with an insufficient ARDR fee will be rejected by other nodes in the network.  The fees for child transactions are up to the bundler and you can bundle transactions using whatever rate you want (even 0.0).  But you still must pay the ARDR fee for the child block transaction containing those bundled transactions.

Official Nxt Releases / Re: NRS v1.11.12
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:23:19 am »
Hi  :D

each time this account : NXT-97H4-KRWL-A53G-7GVRG
appear in the blockchain (transactions...) , the base target go up to +1600% ! is this normal?
The base target looks reasonable.  Are you sure you are not on a fork.  The current block at height 34629 is 10824446045683511766.  Does this match what you are seeing?

this happen in NXT and not ardor  :)
i verified , i am not in a fork... may be that account operate from a forked blockchain...
Oops - sorry.  I've got Ardor on the brain ...

Official Nxt Releases / Re: NRS v1.11.12
« on: January 25, 2018, 12:23:08 am »
Hi  :D

each time this account : NXT-97H4-KRWL-A53G-7GVRG
appear in the blockchain (transactions...) , the base target go up to +1600% ! is this normal?
The base target looks reasonable.  Are you sure you are not on a fork.  The current block at height 34629 is 10824446045683511766.  Does this match what you are seeing?

Be great if someone can help answer the following question. It would help down the road as I'm sure others might want to make custom bundlers.


Custom bundlers can potentially open a bunch of new use cases where fees are mitigated by the bundler.
I posted an answer.  There is a steep learning curve, though, in order to write your own filter.  We already have a filter which uses an account property.  Maybe we can extend that to cover other situations as noted in the Stack Exchange post and use entries in nxt.properties to control the filter operation.  This would allow folks to use the filter without knowing Java and Ardor internals.

Ardor General Discussion / Re: Discarded child chain transactions
« on: January 24, 2018, 03:51:55 pm »
For not bundled transaction I believe I saw something like "bundle it" in their option. I always wonder who will then bundle them, me or some other, available bundler will be asked to bundle it?
You will bundle it.  Meaning you will pay the ARDR fee to create the child block transaction and will receive the transaction fee (making it a zero-fee transaction as far as the child chain is concerned).

Ardor General Discussion / Discarded child chain transactions
« on: January 24, 2018, 01:37:02 pm »
If you create a child chain transaction, make sure it gets confirmed before you assume that it is good.  If your fee is too low, the transaction will not get picked up by a bundler and will eventually expire.  Several transactions this morning were lost because a bundler was started with a very low rate and was then stopped.  However, the low rate was published across the network, resulting in transactions being created using this rate.

Ardor General Discussion / Re: [ARDOR] child chain creation fee
« on: January 24, 2018, 12:39:57 pm »
I imagine it would be pretty reasonable as child chain transactions are prunable.  The thing to avoid would be some sort of denial of service attack by creating a vast number of child chains and overloading the system.  I'm sure Jelurida is thinking of such things.  OTOH, we want to encourage people to make use of the Ardor system. 

Can a child chain be created that will self delete after a certain time frame?  For instance, if my small town wanted to create a voting chain for the mayoral elections, would it necessarily be present forever as a dormant child chain after the election or could it just go away after a few months?
I would think the IGNIS chain could be used for many of these applications.  For your example, voting is already available.  The town would use the custom bundler filter to provide zero-fee transactions for town residents.  The vote would be restricted to accounts owning an asset issued by the town.

Ardor General Discussion / Re: Where to buy Ardor?
« on: January 24, 2018, 12:34:17 pm »
I used to use Poloniex but they are still not up and running for Ardor trades.  Bittrex isn't creating new accounts also and so what's a guy to do who is now ready to strart buying more Ardor?

Correction, I  can deposit bitcoin on Poloniex and even buy Ardor but cannot withdraw the Ardor.  I don't like that as it is too risky IMHO.
I've been buying on Bittrex (I understand that is not an option for you).  If you have IGNIS, the Ardor coin exchange is currently offering 1 ARDR for 2.5 IGNIS (you need 0.5 ARDR for the transaction fee, though).  I don't know if this is a good rate since Bittrex isn't trading IGNIS yet.  Bittrex is currently trading ARDR in the neighborhood of 0.00009000 BTC.

So someone sent me 2 ardor and it doesn't seem to be the problem.  I've tried to send the 4 ingis back to the person and the same thing happens.  The green box pops up says "ingis sent"  but balance remains same and not log in the ledger.  Tried to send to the exchange and the same thing.  I'm connected. Everything looks good.  I have peers.  Guess I'm going to uninstall/reinstall this lite client and install the full node and try that as my last resort.   Because something is obviously wrong with this installation.

Install the full node, your problem will be solved right away.  ;D

I have the same problem, running full node, i open a ticket but in 4 days nothing happen.....
Post the last 50 lines of nxt.log.  I've seen a problem where the node won't accept the block at height 1 because the database is corrupted.  If you are seeing messages about not accepting blocks, try deleting the nxt_db directory and restarting the node.

Hello, could someone please send me a couple of ardors for x2 ignis?


Thank you.
When I see asks like that I am starting to wonder why internal exchange could not be used for such operation?
It is a Catch-22.  In order to buy ARDR on the coin exchange, you must have enough ARDR to pay the transaction fee.  This happens because all coin exchanges involving ARDR are done on the ARDR chain.  In addition, the transaction fee to send an ARDR payment is 1 ARDR, so a round trip costs 2 ARDR.

In my case, I created a currency for use by the plugin.
That was done under NXT if I remember correctly, right? For my knowledge, now anybody who wants to create a currency needs to create child-chain. The thing is that currently only Jelurida knows how to do it (I didn't saw any technical articles that explain how to do it currently).

All nodes would process transactions for the currency, they just wouldn't mean anything without the plugin.
Important question: so to achieve something like you describe on Ardor platform can plugin be run only on few nodes?? (that means: not on all nodes that constitutes Ardor)
When I said currency, I meant a Monetary System currency.  Anybody can create a new currency in the Monetary System  (I have one called TOKENEXCH on the IGNIS chain).

You could do this on Ardor similar to how it was done on Nxt.  As long as you don't introduce any new transaction types or change the transaction format, nodes without the plugin would still be able to process the transactions.  In my case, my plugin waited for transactions involving my currency and then took appropriate action.  For example, to redeem a token for BTC, the user would send currency units to the Nxt redemption address.  Upon receiving the transaction, my plugin would create a BTC transaction to send Bitcoins to the user (amount determined by the number of currency units sent).  To create a token, the user would send BTC to the Bitcoin address owned by my plugin.  Upon receiving the transaction, the plugin would send currency units to the user Nxt address (amount determined by number of BTC).

A plugin cannot modify the blockchain in a manner that will not be accepted by nodes without the plugin.

Wow, that's not good news :/.

First I thought - wrongly - that child-chains are more like side-chains, so to keep that kind of chain alive supporters need to keep some nodes running. In that architecture those node could have a plugin that will do something (like being a lightweight client of EOS in our example).

Now, Petko (as well as others) explained me (in other thread) that one instance of Ardor is processing everything (parent-chain as well as all child-chains). Now, having that knowledge, I though that maybe just my 5 nodes could have plugin added (and play a role of decentralized gateway AEOS <-> EOS) but you are saying that plugin don't have a power/possibility to operate over a blockchain.

If you have idea how that problem could be solved then please stare - if that is not a problem :).
(The AEOS<->EOS is used here as an example of connecting Ardor-world, which is decentralized, with other decentralized system, like EOS or Ethereum, in a decentralized fashion.)
A plugin can definitely send and receive transactions.  It just cannot create a transaction that would be invalid on nodes without the plugin.  In my case, I created a currency for use by the plugin.  All nodes would process transactions for the currency, they just wouldn't mean anything without the plugin.

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