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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: December 03, 2015, 03:53:41 pm »
Today's xpool.ca multipool payout is 81+ ​NXT​, 2+ ​BTCD​, 0+ FIBRE​, 0+ ​BITS, 2+ ​DASH​, 0+ VTC, 42+ VRC, 0.59+ ​LTC​ & 0.12+ ​BTC

This also means, I'm no longer going to post daily payout stats.

Thanks for implementing Nxt and your continued support in providing Nxt's only mining pool  ;D

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Today's xpool.ca multipool payout is 81+ ​NXT​, 2+ ​BTCD​, 0+ FIBRE​, 0+ ​BITS, 2+ ​DASH​, 0+ VTC, 42+ VRC, 0.59+ ​LTC​ & 0.12+ ​BTC​
 
This also means, I'm no longer going to post daily payout stats. Make sure you check the FAQ for typical Q/A such as minimum payouts etc...

Thanks for implementing Nxt and your continued support in providing Nxt's only mining pool  ;D

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Games / Re: [TNNSE] Meme Competition!
« on: December 03, 2015, 03:47:32 pm »
Why i can not look @Daedelus?  ::)

https://twitter.com/MagicNxt/status/672083007528951809  ;)

Daedelus didn't use the "SOON" meme :)

Héhé ok  ;D
+1 @Daedelus

Dammit, didn't read all the post. Just saw 'meme' and was like...





... and just dived straight in  ;D


Still, I applaud all entries with this dance...






... and I have realised I am ore of a gif-party kinda guy  :D

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General / Re: Nxt and Smart Contracts
« on: December 03, 2015, 03:31:23 pm »
Bump for background reading, since there is some interest in turing completeness/Nxt/Ethereum on Bitcointalk.

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Ethereum and Turing Complete Language vs NXT?
« on: December 03, 2015, 03:29:55 pm »
Bump for background reading, since there is some interest in turing completeness/Nxt/Ethereum on Bitcointalk.

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Nxt vs. Ethereum - differences in architecture
« on: December 03, 2015, 03:29:21 pm »
Bump for background reading, since there is some interest in turing completeness/Nxt/Ethereum on Bitcointalk.

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 30, 2015, 10:34:27 pm »
p.s. Kushti has been busy, he won a hackathon with his work on Scorex (Ultracompact Cryptocurrency Engine for Researchers, featuring Nxt-like and Qora-like algos)

Scorex team won on Moscow blockchain hackathon http://forklog.net/moscow-blockchain-hackathon-winning-team-proves-the-permacoin-algorithm/ and working on permacoin consensus algo

Can permacoin be used to incentivize the running of archival nodes?

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 30, 2015, 10:29:39 pm »
On the...

TRY a demo with NXT INSTANTLY!! NO DOWNLOADS! no CLIENTS

... the servers seem to be down. Or maybe a version issue perhaps.

Anyone know who looks after them and can give them a kick?


Was it Jones who was in charge of ^this^?

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 30, 2015, 10:28:11 pm »
Seems mprep is ignoring me, no reply to my latest PM.

Anyone with a bitcointalk account want to ask him why this thread has been moved from general discussion and buried in the service announcements of the marketplace of the altcoin section (sub-sub-forum  ::) ) ?


I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?

Of course it is :)


I got his far, so far, on getting our core feature thread moved out of the shadows...

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Quote from: mprep
Quote from: Daedelus
Hi mprep,

I hope you are well. Call me slow but I have just realised my nxt dev discussion thread has been moved:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831202.0

It has resided in the general discussion for the last year but now even I have trouble finding it  :D Could you tell me why this has been moved?

If done in error, I'd appreciate it if you could help me out and move it back for me.

Thanks
daedelus
Paraphrasing mprep: It could bee coz itz aboot a website, yo. Or most probz coz itz jus givin' out information. Word. Peace my homie.

Hi mprep,

Ok, I have edited the OP to make the purpose of the thread clearer. It is Nxt's discussion thread where people can find out about the technical development of Nxt without any surrounding noise. There is a link to the web version of the plan, which is central to the thread, that I think you will agree is proportional to the purpose.

The second part seems a strange idea, don't all threads provide information? Following the logic, you are implying that any threads in the general discussion provide no information and that is the reason they remain. The thread does provide information (as all threads should and do) but it gives people the chance to discuss the progress of Nxt.

Sunny King's thread has provided *only* information, since it gets locked after every update. But it has stayed in general discussion for over three years, three times as long as the Nxt development thread. There is an inconsistency there.

Please consider, given the changes I have made and my points above, helping me out and moving my thread to the general discussion sub forum where I feel it belongs.

Much appreciated   ;D
Daedelus

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 24, 2015, 11:30:38 pm »
On the...

TRY a demo with NXT INSTANTLY!! NO DOWNLOADS! no CLIENTS

... the servers seem to be down. Or maybe a version issue perhaps.

Anyone know who looks after them and can give them a kick?

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Games / Re: [TNNSE] Meme Competition!
« on: November 24, 2015, 11:15:22 pm »



(I might have missed the point but it took me an age so here we are) ;D

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 24, 2015, 01:04:57 am »
I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?

Of course it is :)


I got his far, so far, on getting our core feature thread moved out of the shadows...

Quote
Quote from: mprep
Quote from: Daedelus
Hi mprep,

I hope you are well. Call me slow but I have just realised my nxt dev discussion thread has been moved:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831202.0

It has resided in the general discussion for the last year but now even I have trouble finding it  :D Could you tell me why this has been moved?

If done in error, I'd appreciate it if you could help me out and move it back for me.

Thanks
daedelus
Paraphrasing mprep: It could bee coz itz aboot a website, yo. Or most probz coz itz jus givin' out information. Word. Peace my homie.

Hi mprep,

Ok, I have edited the OP to make the purpose of the thread clearer. It is Nxt's discussion thread where people can find out about the technical development of Nxt without any surrounding noise. There is a link to the web version of the plan, which is central to the thread, that I think you will agree is proportional to the purpose.

The second part seems a strange idea, don't all threads provide information? Following the logic, you are implying that any threads in the general discussion provide no information and that is the reason they remain. The thread does provide information (as all threads should and do) but it gives people the chance to discuss the progress of Nxt.

Sunny King's thread has provided *only* information, since it gets locked after every update. But it has stayed in general discussion for over three years, three times as long as the Nxt development thread. There is an inconsistency there.

Please consider, given the changes I have made and my points above, helping me out and moving my thread to the general discussion sub forum where I feel it belongs.

Much appreciated   ;D
Daedelus

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Transparent Forging / Re: Transparent Forging - the latest info
« on: November 13, 2015, 02:54:40 pm »
I PM'd Come-from-Beyond, asked some questions and he has given me permission to post his reply. It is in the same tradition of the previous answers  ;D

I don't have account on NxtForum. Ask me questions and I'll give answers.

OK, thanks.

1) What is the definition of TF? You seem to contradict yourself here]https://nxtforum.org/transparent-forging/transparent-forging-the-latest-info/msg199936/#msg199936]here

2) If the plan changed in 1) for both answers to be true at the time you said them, what caused the change?

3) Can you list the elements that make up the definition in 1)? (If not including Economic Clustering et al, how do these fit in?)

4) There was a lot of research into changing TF/algos, were any improvements confirmed for the core that you are aware of?


5) Is penalising those who miss their turn the best implementation in TF?

5a) Is using a 24hr forging ban still the best implementation you know of?

5b) Is hashchains considered as a serious alternative to a penalty?


That is all I have got at the moment, 5 easy questions  :)


Hard to find a good definition, so many things depending on each other. Without EC we can't add the penalization which also gives 90% protection, so for now it's better to focus on capping base target in some interval. Another alternative is to set 60 sec gap between blocks and add 15 sec for each skipped forger, but there are less than 50% of the stake forging, it may lead to 3-5 min blocks. The community should focus on creation of the cluster, without EC TF can't be activated completely (90% protection and almost constant block gaps). Note that there are some things which utilize TF but I don't know if they should be included into TF or put separately. It's the ability to send transactions directly to forgers, for example. But this feature is not needed now, when transaction rate is so small.



@mthcl, does the solution in your paper appear in CfB's options above? I have tried reading the paper before, maybe I should try again.

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Transparent Forging / Re: Transparent Forging - the latest info?
« on: November 13, 2015, 02:51:31 pm »
The remaining pieces of transparent forging, such as prediction of next forger and blacklisting of those missing their turns, will be implemented, if really necessary, after the issue of full blockchain pruning is solved, which is after 2.0.

For now, the improvement in making the block times more regular and avoiding long blocks, which is already implemented by improving the base target adjustment algorithm and will take effect at the 1.7 hardfork, is sufficient, and with the number of transactions we have there is space to grow before an increase of possible transaction throughput will be really needed.

I second what JLP said here.

Now, I would say that there is no such thing as the transparent forging. Of course, the idea is that the next forgers (at least, several of them) are known in advance, and this would make several things (such as instant transactions) possible; but this is partially true even for the current algorithm. The details of the transparent forging are still awaiting discussion; anyhow, as stated above, that's not urgent. One possible proposal is in my "Math of Nxt forging" paper. Also, very old CfB's posts on this are probably outdated; I remember we discussed one TF proposal with him, and that proposal turned out to be unsafe.

Thanks for the reply mthcl.

I guess being able to predict the next forger means you know where to send your transaction to allow it to be 'instantly' confirmed, that is what you mean by partially implemented?  [speculation] This reminds me of a feature CfB called 'Time Warp', so perhaps this is a bit of Nxt magic that allows a tx to be considered confirmed before the next block? This sounds impossible but so does most things I read  ;D. This is based on 1 confirmation == 1 block [/speculation]

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 09, 2015, 10:50:58 pm »
Oh yeah. Looking good...  :D










 8)



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Transparent Forging / Re: Transparent Forging - the latest info?
« on: November 09, 2015, 09:26:50 pm »
@JL, from the code, could these be interpreted as being steps towards 'full' Transparent Forging implementation at the blocks listed?

Looking at the constants we can see that 8 steps have been made so far:

Code: [Select]
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_2 = 47000;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_3 = 51000;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_4 = 64000;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_5 = 67000;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_6 = isTestnet ? 75000 : 130000;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_7 = Integer.MAX_VALUE;
public static final int TRANSPARENT_FORGING_BLOCK_8 = isTestnet ? 78000 : 215000;


Thanks again. I will try to find out more from those other guys.

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 09, 2015, 06:14:45 pm »
Nice Avatar @Daedelus  8)
the small sun always follows you  ;D ;D

I thought I would join the party  ;D But it is harder to follow a conversation if everyone has the same avatar. so I have a hybrid, I think it works  :D

Edit: conversations between nxters might still be hard to follow (see you, Sebastian, RealBitcoin and martismartis follow on from here with me and Damelon further up the same page, this is the future!) so I might switch the pictures around. I will see how I get on

Edit2: Yours look better and is more practical, so I changed it  ;D Felt like I was changing my forum ID too.. scary

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Transparent Forging / Re: Transparent Forging - the latest info?
« on: November 09, 2015, 06:08:09 pm »
The remaining pieces of transparent forging, such as prediction of next forger and blacklisting of those missing their turns, will be implemented, if really necessary, after the issue of full blockchain pruning is solved, which is after 2.0.

For now, the improvement in making the block times more regular and avoiding long blocks, which is already implemented by improving the base target adjustment algorithm and will take effect at the 1.7 hardfork, is sufficient, and with the number of transactions we have there is space to grow before an increase of possible transaction throughput will be really needed.

Thanks for the reply. I am more interested in understanding TF so that I can talk about it (rather than "when will we have X TPS?!" thoughts I think you read into my post  ;D )



This is where I get confused. Come-from-Beyond said:

... TF is a mix of different mechanisms and not fully active yet.

... TF is just an ability to "predict" the future. All the other is bells and whistles.

And I thought that this was the "Prediciting the future" that you can see in real time here

The release notes for 0.4.8 (couldn't find original but I remember it) back up that TF is released.


I have also seen CfB describe TF as multi-layered, having 'x'% complete (as bitcoinpaul thought in the quote above and you describe in your last post). So that led me to wonder if there had been a change to TF (as BCNext had described it) that didn't require the bells and whistles.

At the moment, I think:
Transparent Forging bootstrap = Ability to predict the next forger with high degree of probability (released at block 30,000 in NRS 0.4.8 )
Transparent Forging = Predict the next forger(s) + Economic Clustering +...  (and we will also be able to have exactly 1min blocks if forgers don't miss their turn, replace the base target and other advantages)


So please correct me. And perhaps define some terms we can all use and refer to, if required? I don't think many can confidently list the main moving parts of TF, let alone describe them ;D I imagine they have the same uncertainty I have when I try to read up on it.

Thank you ;D

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Nxt General Discussion / Re: Price speculation
« on: November 09, 2015, 03:40:26 pm »
I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?

Of course it is :)

I have changed the topic title to include the word 'discussion' lol, which is what it was always intended to be (a technical news/discussion thread about the core). But I guess he can argue it was just me posting updates as there was very little discussion in there!

So, before I PM mprep, can 6-7 of you go over and have a discussion or two??  ;D I suggest the topic of 'Transparent Forging' (but not 'when is it being implemented?' as you should know it already has been)  ;D Or any subject you like.


Link >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831202.0

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Transparent Forging / Transparent Forging - the latest info
« on: November 09, 2015, 03:34:39 pm »
Hello... Riker/Mthcl/Kushti/JL??  ;D (who is most 'in the know' these days)

I have some questions to try and increase/update my understanding of TF:


1) Is a penalty (24h forging blacklisting) still considered the way to go for those that miss their forging turn?

2a) Is the implementation discussed by CfB initially still current?
2b) ... so can I go back and read his posts to try to understand TF?

3) If changes have been proposed and deemed better, which ones are these and where can you read about them?


Thanks

Edit:
4) Also, is the 'blind shooter' algo a proxy for the hit/target algo(s)? A bit of clarity here would help me.

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