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Re: NXTprivacy - asset that includes privacy related projects
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2014, 09:34:14 pm »

When did you start trading NXTprivacy
Currently it is only private sales

How can we get in on the private sale  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2014, 06:17:21 am »

When did you start trading NXTprivacy
Currently it is only private sales

How can we get in on the private sale  ;D
private sale of NXTprivacy is done via private messages
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2014, 06:31:49 am »

Now that MGW is in "late Beta" I am switching gears toward InstantDEX and NXTprivacy. They actually have a fair amount in common, also with Privatebet.

Anyway, I got tired of waiting for zerocash to get a release out, plus they dont seem very helpful at all.
So, I've been fiddling with cryptonote and actually made a functioning fork of it. Not your usual clone though, I figure if I can leverage the existing cryptonote code to implement decent privacy, why not?

I cant put this into the NXT core, but I can put it into NXTservices. I am making a special cryptonote coin that will map 1:1 to the privateNXT asset. Keep in mind that inside NXT AE, privateNXT transfers/trades are not private. However, once I get it put into MGW so that you can send privateNXT to another privateNXT acct, then when that happens outside of NXT it would be as private as a normal cryptonote payment.

I am also thinking of using the cryptonote address as the "private address", so not only will the cryptonote -> cryptonote payment be private, nobody will even know who owns the cryptonote address (not that you even see that in the first place) for either source or destination.

So, maybe it is not 100% perfect zeroknowledge magic, but practically speaking as long as there are a decent number of people using privateNXT, it will be about as anonymous  private as anything out in the market.

The privacyServers will run the cryptonote servers ("mining" is just a formality as virtually all pre-mined). We also have an easy way for privacyServer hosts to offer http/https proxy services.

I am leaning toward a hub + spoke model for the InstantDEX/NXTprivacy network. Nodes that can accept incoming TCP (or UDP) automatically become hubs and they will earn more nodecoins, privateNXT fees, etc.

So, no guarantees I can actually get the cryptonote actually working, but so far looking pretty good

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2014, 07:37:33 am »

OK, so I still cant get the clients to talk to the servers, but actually as long as payments work, between the servers that should actually be good enough. Not having any direct peer to peer contact is actually a privacy benefit and since anybody can setup a privacyServer node (including yourself via VPS) it retains decentralizationness

So "mining" is taking ~1% of one core CPU. I set the blocktime to 60 seconds, not sure if it will actually follow that. Have generated almost enough cryptonote pNXT to match the privateNXT assets.

I hope I can get payments to work server <-> server
Then adding cryptonote support to MGW
Then ...

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2014, 08:40:30 am »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?

With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?

It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).

Is my idea stupid ?
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2014, 08:50:08 am »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?

With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?

It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).

Is my idea stupid ?
I am planning on both approaches. I am not smart enough to know beforehand which is better way
For example. If NXT privacy is wanted, then it is not good to have exchange issues (liquidity, spread, etc) to convert to another currency and back. So we need a 1:1 between a cryptonote coin and NXT. I could only think of making special cryptonote to achieve this 1:1

I am working with the cryptonote community and intend to provide gateway services via MGW and possibly more.

Anyway, it is a very good way to learn about cryptonote to make your own

James

P.S. After evaluating all the cryptonote's (including the reference code), I have chosen Boolberry as the one to work with. it is by far the most innovative and much more than just the baseline code. It even has a Qt GUI and I got it to run with pNXT, though still have some issues getting all parts to work together. So, if you are deciding between all the various cryptonote coins, BBR is technically the most superior
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2014, 09:23:06 am »

Now that MGW is in "late Beta" I am switching gears toward InstantDEX and NXTprivacy. They actually have a fair amount in common, also with Privatebet.
Anyway, I got tired of waiting for zerocash to get a release out, plus they dont seem very helpful at all.
So, I've been fiddling with cryptonote and actually made a functioning fork of it. Not your usual clone though, I figure if I can leverage the existing cryptonote code to implement decent privacy, why not?
I cant put this into the NXT core, but I can put it into NXTservices. I am making a special cryptonote coin that will map 1:1 to the privateNXT asset. Keep in mind that inside NXT AE, privateNXT transfers/trades are not private. However, once I get it put into MGW so that you can send privateNXT to another privateNXT acct, then when that happens outside of NXT it would be as private as a normal cryptonote payment.
I am also thinking of using the cryptonote address as the "private address", so not only will the cryptonote -> cryptonote payment be private, nobody will even know who owns the cryptonote address (not that you even see that in the first place) for either source or destination.
So, maybe it is not 100% perfect zeroknowledge magic, but practically speaking as long as there are a decent number of people using privateNXT, it will be about as anonymous  private as anything out in the market.
The privacyServers will run the cryptonote servers ("mining" is just a formality as virtually all pre-mined). We also have an easy way for privacyServer hosts to offer http/https proxy services.
I am leaning toward a hub + spoke model for the InstantDEX/NXTprivacy network. Nodes that can accept incoming TCP (or UDP) automatically become hubs and they will earn more nodecoins, privateNXT fees, etc.
So, no guarantees I can actually get the cryptonote actually working, but so far looking pretty good
James

James, we need to bind together the Nxt community with the Monero community.

Monero need a decentralized platform and Nxt need an anonymous bridge.

Me, Ludom and Anon136 are already into Monero. This is the most advanced anonymous crypto project by far. All others are no match.

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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2014, 09:24:54 am »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?
With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?
It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).
Is my idea stupid ?
I am planning on both approaches. I am not smart enough to know beforehand which is better way
For example. If NXT privacy is wanted, then it is not good to have exchange issues (liquidity, spread, etc) to convert to another currency and back. So we need a 1:1 between a cryptonote coin and NXT. I could only think of making special cryptonote to achieve this 1:1
I am working with the cryptonote community and intend to provide gateway services via MGW and possibly more.
Anyway, it is a very good way to learn about cryptonote to make your own
James
P.S. After evaluating all the cryptonote's (including the reference code), I have chosen Boolberry as the one to work with. it is by far the most innovative and much more than just the baseline code. It even has a Qt GUI and I got it to run with pNXT, though still have some issues getting all parts to work together. So, if you are deciding between all the various cryptonote coins, BBR is technically the most superior

BBR and XMR are the only cryptonote that are worth it.
I agree that BBR is the best technically but the BBR community is really small.

There is not big differences between XMR and BBR apart from the algorithm.

EDIT : XMR has 2 GUI wallet.

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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2014, 09:30:22 am »


Hey what about Nxt creating his own crypto-note, fully integrated in the Nxt client ?

Wow...

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2014, 07:26:13 pm »


Hey what about Nxt creating his own crypto-note, fully integrated in the Nxt client ?

Wow...
Thats what I did already, well it will be integrated into the NXTservices enhanced web GUI
https://github.com/jl777/pNXT

2014-Jul-04 02:31:37.619261 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 17970 height 8608
2014-Jul-04 14:14:44.933715 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 11507 height 9325

Around 700 blocks in 12 hours so very close to 1 per minute
703 minutes 717 blocks = 58.8 seconds per block

The block reward is 1 pNXT (for privateNXT) per block and "mining" takes 1% of 1 core's CPU
The idea is that pegged at 1 NXT per pNXT, this equates to a subsidy for ~100 servers

If some sort of arms race develops for this blockreward, I will just divert it to a central fund that will then payout prorata for network services provided. So, hopefully all privacyServer providers will play nice so I dont permanently blacklist whoever tries to game the system. I will get cranky if I have to do extra work just to get what we need in place!

I am working off of the BBR source base, already have a cross platform GUI. But that is for the internal pNXT. I plan on integrating XMR, BBR and any other promising cryptonote

James

P.S. the pNXT repo is under active development, so for now dont expect it to actually work
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2014, 07:51:26 pm »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?
With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?
It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).
Is my idea stupid ?
I am planning on both approaches. I am not smart enough to know beforehand which is better way
For example. If NXT privacy is wanted, then it is not good to have exchange issues (liquidity, spread, etc) to convert to another currency and back. So we need a 1:1 between a cryptonote coin and NXT. I could only think of making special cryptonote to achieve this 1:1
I am working with the cryptonote community and intend to provide gateway services via MGW and possibly more.
Anyway, it is a very good way to learn about cryptonote to make your own
James
P.S. After evaluating all the cryptonote's (including the reference code), I have chosen Boolberry as the one to work with. it is by far the most innovative and much more than just the baseline code. It even has a Qt GUI and I got it to run with pNXT, though still have some issues getting all parts to work together. So, if you are deciding between all the various cryptonote coins, BBR is technically the most superior

BBR and XMR are the only cryptonote that are worth it.
I agree that BBR is the best technically but the BBR community is really small.

There is not big differences between XMR and BBR apart from the algorithm.

EDIT : XMR has 2 GUI wallet.

link to gui wallet?
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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2014, 07:59:58 pm »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?
With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?
It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).
Is my idea stupid ?
I am planning on both approaches. I am not smart enough to know beforehand which is better way
For example. If NXT privacy is wanted, then it is not good to have exchange issues (liquidity, spread, etc) to convert to another currency and back. So we need a 1:1 between a cryptonote coin and NXT. I could only think of making special cryptonote to achieve this 1:1
I am working with the cryptonote community and intend to provide gateway services via MGW and possibly more.
Anyway, it is a very good way to learn about cryptonote to make your own
James
P.S. After evaluating all the cryptonote's (including the reference code), I have chosen Boolberry as the one to work with. it is by far the most innovative and much more than just the baseline code. It even has a Qt GUI and I got it to run with pNXT, though still have some issues getting all parts to work together. So, if you are deciding between all the various cryptonote coins, BBR is technically the most superior

BBR and XMR are the only cryptonote that are worth it.
I agree that BBR is the best technically but the BBR community is really small.

There is not big differences between XMR and BBR apart from the algorithm.

EDIT : XMR has 2 GUI wallet.

link to gui wallet?
http://boolberry.com/downloads.html
I even got the Mac GUI working with pNXT, well as well as it could work with current issues
the Boolberry GUI works fine on Mac, though you have to build it yourself
The Win GUI should work just fine
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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2014, 08:00:21 pm »


Hey what about Nxt creating his own crypto-note, fully integrated in the Nxt client ?

Wow...
Thats what I did already, well it will be integrated into the NXTservices enhanced web GUI
https://github.com/jl777/pNXT

2014-Jul-04 02:31:37.619261 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 17970 height 8608
2014-Jul-04 14:14:44.933715 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 11507 height 9325

Around 700 blocks in 12 hours so very close to 1 per minute
703 minutes 717 blocks = 58.8 seconds per block

The block reward is 1 pNXT (for privateNXT) per block and "mining" takes 1% of 1 core's CPU
The idea is that pegged at 1 NXT per pNXT, this equates to a subsidy for ~100 servers

If some sort of arms race develops for this blockreward, I will just divert it to a central fund that will then payout prorata for network services provided. So, hopefully all privacyServer providers will play nice so I dont permanently blacklist whoever tries to game the system. I will get cranky if I have to do extra work just to get what we need in place!

I am working off of the BBR source base, already have a cross platform GUI. But that is for the internal pNXT. I plan on integrating XMR, BBR and any other promising cryptonote

James

P.S. the pNXT repo is under active development, so for now dont expect it to actually work

This is exciting. These cryptonote coins + multigateway give us exactly the tools we need to allow nxt to do anonymous transactions. Basically you just buy the tokens, redeem the tokens to the address you want to pay, then the receiver sends the cryptonote coins to your gateway in exchange for tokens, sells the tokens, gets the nxt.

its a little bit laborious but hopefully someone can figure out a way to remove some of the steps in the future.
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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2014, 08:01:07 pm »

Why do you need to create your own NXT cryptonote. Could it be possible to integrate directly one or some cryptonotes like Monero ?
With your MGW you can integrate it, and it's enough, no ?
It could be very interesting to work with other devs and community, it's easier and very valuable (you begin directly with a real community and dynamic).
Is my idea stupid ?
I am planning on both approaches. I am not smart enough to know beforehand which is better way
For example. If NXT privacy is wanted, then it is not good to have exchange issues (liquidity, spread, etc) to convert to another currency and back. So we need a 1:1 between a cryptonote coin and NXT. I could only think of making special cryptonote to achieve this 1:1
I am working with the cryptonote community and intend to provide gateway services via MGW and possibly more.
Anyway, it is a very good way to learn about cryptonote to make your own
James
P.S. After evaluating all the cryptonote's (including the reference code), I have chosen Boolberry as the one to work with. it is by far the most innovative and much more than just the baseline code. It even has a Qt GUI and I got it to run with pNXT, though still have some issues getting all parts to work together. So, if you are deciding between all the various cryptonote coins, BBR is technically the most superior

BBR and XMR are the only cryptonote that are worth it.
I agree that BBR is the best technically but the BBR community is really small.

There is not big differences between XMR and BBR apart from the algorithm.

EDIT : XMR has 2 GUI wallet.

link to gui wallet?
http://boolberry.com/downloads.html
I even got the Mac GUI working with pNXT, well as well as it could work with current issues
the Boolberry GUI works fine on Mac, though you have to build it yourself
The Win GUI should work just fine

he said there is one for XMR do you suppose he meant BBR?
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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2014, 08:08:20 pm »

he said there is one for XMR do you suppose he meant BBR?
cryptonote baseline code is not production tested. I cant even get it to compile cleanly.
Granted it is the source for all cryptonote algos

BBR has made extensive improvements to the codebase. The txformat is different, there is voting, basically cryptonote++
The other cryptonote coins seem to be taking stuff from BBR and the whole bitmonero/monero schism was kind of strange

I like to go with the best tech. Boolberry is a bit handicapped by its strange name, but that maybe keeps its price lower for a while. BBR is trading at about 1/4 the price of XMR and it has about 1/4 the total coins now. You do the math. Better tech, 1/16'th the price :)

James

P.S. The Boolberry code compiled just fine for me, even the GUI. Yes I have BBR stake, at least sharkfund0 has
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2014, 08:11:30 pm »


Hey what about Nxt creating his own crypto-note, fully integrated in the Nxt client ?

Wow...
Thats what I did already, well it will be integrated into the NXTservices enhanced web GUI
https://github.com/jl777/pNXT

2014-Jul-04 02:31:37.619261 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 17970 height 8608
2014-Jul-04 14:14:44.933715 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 11507 height 9325

Around 700 blocks in 12 hours so very close to 1 per minute
703 minutes 717 blocks = 58.8 seconds per block

The block reward is 1 pNXT (for privateNXT) per block and "mining" takes 1% of 1 core's CPU
The idea is that pegged at 1 NXT per pNXT, this equates to a subsidy for ~100 servers

If some sort of arms race develops for this blockreward, I will just divert it to a central fund that will then payout prorata for network services provided. So, hopefully all privacyServer providers will play nice so I dont permanently blacklist whoever tries to game the system. I will get cranky if I have to do extra work just to get what we need in place!

I am working off of the BBR source base, already have a cross platform GUI. But that is for the internal pNXT. I plan on integrating XMR, BBR and any other promising cryptonote

James

P.S. the pNXT repo is under active development, so for now dont expect it to actually work

This is exciting. These cryptonote coins + multigateway give us exactly the tools we need to allow nxt to do anonymous transactions. Basically you just buy the tokens, redeem the tokens to the address you want to pay, then the receiver sends the cryptonote coins to your gateway in exchange for tokens, sells the tokens, gets the nxt.

its a little bit laborious but hopefully someone can figure out a way to remove some of the steps in the future.
By "someone" you mean me?
:)

Yes, I am trying to wrap all this back and forth in :7777 API so we can make a GUI to do a privacy enhanced NXT sendMoney. While I am at it I figured I can make the destination be a NXT address, BTC address, BBR, etc.

Oh and by "NXT address" it could be the public NXT acct's private pNXT address.

So many parts though cant quite fit all the puzzle pieces together. I want the NXTservices GUI to have a "private send" and everything happens transparently.

James
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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2014, 08:13:40 pm »


Hey what about Nxt creating his own crypto-note, fully integrated in the Nxt client ?

Wow...
Thats what I did already, well it will be integrated into the NXTservices enhanced web GUI
https://github.com/jl777/pNXT

2014-Jul-04 02:31:37.619261 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 17970 height 8608
2014-Jul-04 14:14:44.933715 [miner 0] Found block for difficulty: 11507 height 9325

Around 700 blocks in 12 hours so very close to 1 per minute
703 minutes 717 blocks = 58.8 seconds per block

The block reward is 1 pNXT (for privateNXT) per block and "mining" takes 1% of 1 core's CPU
The idea is that pegged at 1 NXT per pNXT, this equates to a subsidy for ~100 servers

If some sort of arms race develops for this blockreward, I will just divert it to a central fund that will then payout prorata for network services provided. So, hopefully all privacyServer providers will play nice so I dont permanently blacklist whoever tries to game the system. I will get cranky if I have to do extra work just to get what we need in place!

I am working off of the BBR source base, already have a cross platform GUI. But that is for the internal pNXT. I plan on integrating XMR, BBR and any other promising cryptonote

James

P.S. the pNXT repo is under active development, so for now dont expect it to actually work

This is exciting. These cryptonote coins + multigateway give us exactly the tools we need to allow nxt to do anonymous transactions. Basically you just buy the tokens, redeem the tokens to the address you want to pay, then the receiver sends the cryptonote coins to your gateway in exchange for tokens, sells the tokens, gets the nxt.

its a little bit laborious but hopefully someone can figure out a way to remove some of the steps in the future.
By "someone" you mean me?
:)

Yes, I am trying to wrap all this back and forth in :7777 API so we can make a GUI to do a privacy enhanced NXT sendMoney. While I am at it I figured I can make the destination be a NXT address, BTC address, BBR, etc.

Oh and by "NXT address" it could be the public NXT acct's private pNXT address.

So many parts though cant quite fit all the puzzle pieces together. I want the NXTservices GUI to have a "private send" and everything happens transparently.

James

You are a member of the set known as "someone" :P. At least i think. Come-from-beyond im not so sure about. He may have come from beyond.
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2014, 09:29:52 am »

Some good progress. got pNXT so that remote nodes can sync up to the blockchain. Then I got a bit crazy...
This is only on the Mac and I dread the process of getting this working on Windows, but I have managed to get the C++ Boolberry daemon merged(!) with the NXTservices sources.

I still couldnt get the simplewallet to talk nice, so I just merged the simplewallet into the daemon.

Right now I am watching the NXT blockchain scan that NXTservices does, while the pNXT is "mining"! I even got it to automatically generate an address and load a wallet.

The hard part (on top of getting all the source files happy) was to get C callable C++ entry points. I am sure this is easy for somebody that actually knows C++, but for me it has been stumbling and bumbling with all sorts of compiler errors. Not used to writing in a language I am not fluent in.

Anyway, if the :7777 page comes up, that means tomorrow I can create NXTservices API calls for pNXT. Still not sure how to do this right, but I think it could be as "simple" as adding pNXT withdraws to MGW while honoring the private addresses.

James

edit: nope, crashed. So something not quite right. Anyway feeling like big progress and privacy levels in NXT around the corner!
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Re: NXTprivacy - asset that includes privacy related projects
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2014, 10:48:40 am »

Has anyone analyzed this - https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark ? Is it good?
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