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Title: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 05:54:24 am
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues.

Once deployed the automatic Decentralized Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section

If you are a large investor and want to get in on the ground floor, please PM me. Min 1 million NXT
Exact timing of launch has not been determined yet. Indications of interest can be made by placing bids in AE
The total amount that will be made available will be at most 150,000 assets

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 10:30:10 am
Two thirds of the NXTautoDAC has been sold and the rest is on a price ladder
Current price is 11 NXT per asset, thats gone, it is 12

I made a price ladder so there is only a little available at each price
sorry for the short notice, but things happen very quickly!

James

"name": "NXTventure","accountRS": "NXT-XRK4-5HYK-5965-9FH4Z","account": "9190137219092766242",
NXTventure asset #16212446818542881180, NXTautoDAC asset #14347250558295845059
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: ThomasVeil on May 15, 2014, 02:50:22 pm
I don't understand a single word of that description. Can you describe or give a link to what these AutoDACs do?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: crimi on May 15, 2014, 04:16:05 pm
I always have fun in cryptos reading about people buying shares. The google stock simulation asset could be also made up from you.  ;D

Hey but you could pretend you investing in bitpay shares...

Dont get me wrong at least in a decentralised exchange you dont have to care about to warn people.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 04:30:24 pm
I don't understand a single word of that description. Can you describe or give a link to what these AutoDACs do?
http://coinwiki.info/en/Decentralized_autonomous_corporation has an overview, but it is not so easy to understand.

The general idea is to create a fully automated system that does everything a real world business does. This might sound impossible and it would be for anything that had to do physical actions (well toss in some robots and even that is possible), but there are a class of businesses that can be fully automated.

Lets take one of the simpler examples. A bank savings acct. In the real world you have fancy building, a bunch of workers with a bunch of fancy furniture and 0.2% interest rate, yes?
But what part of paying interest on a deposit cannot be automated? You deposit money for a period of time and get interest plus principal back. Why would anybody use an autoDAC? Primary reason would be that it is able to pay a higher interest rate as it wont have any significant expenses. Secondarily, it would be more secure since the funds would be secured by blockchain, you would always be able to see your actual funds. You cant actually touch it, so maybe banks wont go completely away.

bluemeanie will post more details about what is possible. A lot of the automatable businesses are money oriented, probably because money isnt physical anymore.

So, now imagine a half dozen different automated companies providing services for people at a lower cost to them while being more reliable and secure. It is a winning combination. Once deployed, the autoDACs will automatically generate profits. No labor unions, no insurance cost worries, no sick days, etc.

Hopefully this gives an idea of the possibilities.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 07:06:39 pm
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hello all,


          NXTautoDAC shares are backed by future profit and monetization of the Virtual Corporation feature I'm developing for NXT, recently approved by the Technical Development Committee.  I have already received significant interest from venture capital firms who understand the value in Virtual Corporations.

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-improvement-proposals/virtual-corporations-on-nxt/

This investment is particularly attractive for the primary stakeholders as we are enhancing the overall demand for NXT by developing new features and use cases that generate transaction fees.  The primary NXT stakeholder can invest in this asset, improve NXT, and get a substantial return.

One example concept we have is Web Site Monetization DAC.  In this concept, ownership of DNS records and other features like forum moderation are tied to the Virtual Corporation offices.  Thus shareholders have the ability, via the Block Chain, to influence web site features and appoint managerial officers.  The shares themselves, which represent control of said website, are *tradable assets* that can float(and appreciate) on the AE.  This allows for rapid monetization of web properties, and can potentially generate massive amounts of liquidity for Domain Name investors and other groups.  NXTautoDAC has already determined technical feasibility of this project.

Thanks for your interest and please stay tuned for further updates.

- -bm




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Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gs02xzz on May 15, 2014, 07:38:28 pm
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create.

Is autoDacs is another company/entity? Has it issued any shares on the AE yet?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 10:10:31 pm
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create.

Is autoDacs is another company/entity? Has it issued any shares on the AE yet?

yes, assetID : 14347250558295845059  , name : NXTautoDAC

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gs02xzz on May 15, 2014, 11:36:02 pm
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create.
Is autoDacs is another company/entity? Has it issued any shares on the AE yet?
yes, assetID : 14347250558295845059  , name : NXTautoDAC
-bm

No I meant the family of autoDACs mentioned in the OP. I just wonder how the family of autoDACs will operate and generate revenue.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 11:57:58 pm
details are forthcoming.

this investment round was for those who were privy to the high-level technical discussions.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 16, 2014, 12:00:58 am
I just wonder how the family of autoDACs will operate and generate revenue.

I do provide a brief example in my signed post above.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on May 16, 2014, 12:40:55 am
Hm, exactly how much did NXTventure buy each of the 75% of the assets at? Also, NXTautoDAC is keeping 0% of the assets?

Pandaisftw
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 16, 2014, 02:22:48 am
Hm, exactly how much did NXTventure buy each of the 75% of the assets at? Also, NXTautoDAC is keeping 0% of the assets?

Pandaisftw
NXTautoDAC is not an operating company. It is purely an asset that represents the future revenues. Since profitability is a variable that is sometimes difficult to estimate, it makes it harder to value an asset. By making it revenue based, the only thing that is needed is to estimate the revenues and 75% of that will become the lifetime future cashflows.

The operating costs will be primarily labor costs of bluemeanies team, but investors dont have to worry that they will just collect fat salaries and goof off playing computer games (not that that ever happens at real companies). 25% of revenues is what the devs will get. What makes NXTautoDAC unique to my mind is that the vast majority of revenues are setaside for investors.

What is the intrinsic value of NXTautoDAC? It is 75% of the sum of all the future autoDAC's revenues. This is where the hard part comes in. We can assume there will be half a dozen to a dozen such autoDACs. Now how much revenue is each one likely to make? What sort of fees can it collect and how often and from how many people?

Will each autoDAC be able to generate 100,000 NXT per year in revenues? That seems like a reasonable number to me. ~274 NXT per day per autoDAC. The investment decisions comes down to whether you believe the bluemeanie's team working with me will be able to define, implement and deploy 10 autoDAC's each generating an average of 274 NXT per day. This will add up to 1.2 million NXT per year. No need to take 75% cuz there are only 750000 assets so it is already matched to 1%. So if we apply a PE of 20:1, it gives a predicted value of 24.

Curiously, the price ladder is up to 23, so the market is agreeing with this analysis.

I agree that this is a brand new market and people dont know all the potential yet. The early investors got a tremendous deal. However, I did post about this offering and anybody could have contacted me to make the ground floor investment. I do realize it all happened so fast, but I cannot help it if there are investors that are so fast! All I can do is continue to find great ideas and people and create an asset that is trackable and marketable.

Next time I announce a new issue, I will do the same thing. The first one who comes through with the funds gets the groundfloor deal. In the past it took a day or two before I got the groundfloor funding, so it took me by surprise how fast NXTautoDAC got snapped up. I guess I am not the only one that sees its bright future

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: innovator256 on May 16, 2014, 02:47:25 am
I am scared for you on how you'd manage or have the focus for all these projects...are you working with or outsourcing to a team?

edit: if you don't mind me asking of course
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on May 16, 2014, 04:00:44 am
Hm, exactly how much did NXTventure buy each of the 75% of the assets at? Also, NXTautoDAC is keeping 0% of the assets?

Pandaisftw
NXTautoDAC is not an operating company. It is purely an asset that represents the future revenues. Since profitability is a variable that is sometimes difficult to estimate, it makes it harder to value an asset. By making it revenue based, the only thing that is needed is to estimate the revenues and 75% of that will become the lifetime future cashflows.

The operating costs will be primarily labor costs of bluemeanies team, but investors dont have to worry that they will just collect fat salaries and goof off playing computer games (not that that ever happens at real companies). 25% of revenues is what the devs will get. What makes NXTautoDAC unique to my mind is that the vast majority of revenues are setaside for investors.

What is the intrinsic value of NXTautoDAC? It is 75% of the sum of all the future autoDAC's revenues. This is where the hard part comes in. We can assume there will be half a dozen to a dozen such autoDACs. Now how much revenue is each one likely to make? What sort of fees can it collect and how often and from how many people?

Will each autoDAC be able to generate 100,000 NXT per year in revenues? That seems like a reasonable number to me. ~274 NXT per day per autoDAC. The investment decisions comes down to whether you believe the bluemeanie's team working with me will be able to define, implement and deploy 10 autoDAC's each generating an average of 274 NXT per day. This will add up to 1.2 million NXT per year. No need to take 75% cuz there are only 750000 assets so it is already matched to 1%. So if we apply a PE of 20:1, it gives a predicted value of 24.

Curiously, the price ladder is up to 23, so the market is agreeing with this analysis.

I agree that this is a brand new market and people dont know all the potential yet. The early investors got a tremendous deal. However, I did post about this offering and anybody could have contacted me to make the ground floor investment. I do realize it all happened so fast, but I cannot help it if there are investors that are so fast! All I can do is continue to find great ideas and people and create an asset that is trackable and marketable.

Next time I announce a new issue, I will do the same thing. The first one who comes through with the funds gets the groundfloor deal. In the past it took a day or two before I got the groundfloor funding, so it took me by surprise how fast NXTautoDAC got snapped up. I guess I am not the only one that sees its bright future

James

I see, so those 750,000 shares on the AE are held and currently sold by NXTventurer? I think the part I may be confused is, where is NXTventurer getting it's cut if all (75%) of the profits of NXTautoDAC are being paid out through NXTautoDAC shares? I assume that it's coming from any unsold shares, correct? So if I invested in NXTventurer, I would be getting a return on NXTautoDAC anyways?

Pandaisftw
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 16, 2014, 04:45:33 am
Hm, exactly how much did NXTventure buy each of the 75% of the assets at? Also, NXTautoDAC is keeping 0% of the assets?

Pandaisftw
NXTautoDAC is not an operating company. It is purely an asset that represents the future revenues. Since profitability is a variable that is sometimes difficult to estimate, it makes it harder to value an asset. By making it revenue based, the only thing that is needed is to estimate the revenues and 75% of that will become the lifetime future cashflows.

The operating costs will be primarily labor costs of bluemeanies team, but investors dont have to worry that they will just collect fat salaries and goof off playing computer games (not that that ever happens at real companies). 25% of revenues is what the devs will get. What makes NXTautoDAC unique to my mind is that the vast majority of revenues are setaside for investors.

What is the intrinsic value of NXTautoDAC? It is 75% of the sum of all the future autoDAC's revenues. This is where the hard part comes in. We can assume there will be half a dozen to a dozen such autoDACs. Now how much revenue is each one likely to make? What sort of fees can it collect and how often and from how many people?

Will each autoDAC be able to generate 100,000 NXT per year in revenues? That seems like a reasonable number to me. ~274 NXT per day per autoDAC. The investment decisions comes down to whether you believe the bluemeanie's team working with me will be able to define, implement and deploy 10 autoDAC's each generating an average of 274 NXT per day. This will add up to 1.2 million NXT per year. No need to take 75% cuz there are only 750000 assets so it is already matched to 1%. So if we apply a PE of 20:1, it gives a predicted value of 24.

Curiously, the price ladder is up to 23, so the market is agreeing with this analysis.

I agree that this is a brand new market and people dont know all the potential yet. The early investors got a tremendous deal. However, I did post about this offering and anybody could have contacted me to make the ground floor investment. I do realize it all happened so fast, but I cannot help it if there are investors that are so fast! All I can do is continue to find great ideas and people and create an asset that is trackable and marketable.

Next time I announce a new issue, I will do the same thing. The first one who comes through with the funds gets the groundfloor deal. In the past it took a day or two before I got the groundfloor funding, so it took me by surprise how fast NXTautoDAC got snapped up. I guess I am not the only one that sees its bright future

James

I see, so those 750,000 shares on the AE are held and currently sold by NXTventurer? I think the part I may be confused is, where is NXTventurer getting it's cut if all (75%) of the profits of NXTautoDAC are being paid out through NXTautoDAC shares? I assume that it's coming from any unsold shares, correct? So if I invested in NXTventurer, I would be getting a return on NXTautoDAC anyways?

Pandaisftw
The largest asset holders will be bluemeanie and his team. This is critical to the success of a tech company. A lot of VC backed companies squeeze the devs until they are so marginalized most of them move on shortly after IPO. That is not good for investors! We want the devs totally dedicated to maximizing asset value. Think of it as a pay for performance bounty. They only earn proportional to the revenues they generate. I cant think of a more fair deal than that.

NXTventure will not get any revenues from NXTautoDAC, all of NXTautoDAC revenues go to devs (25%) and investors (75%)

NXTventure will sell off shares this month and then on the ex-dividend time all of NXTautoDAC will be allocated to the NXTventure asset holders. So, NXTventure asset holders can expect a monthly dividend of that months offering. The exact amount depends on how well it was received and I cant control the net cash change. The cash stays in NXTventure as that is the lifeblood of a finance company. Capital * velocity is the power of a finance company, so the quicker the funds are recycled the more it can do. 1 million NXT cycled daily is equivalent to 365 million per year.

At the beginning of the month NXTventure's value will drop by the value of the dividend. [fundamental analysts: dont forget to account for NXTventures ownership of itself] Most of the NXTautoDAC will thus be gone from NXTventure at the end of the month. But some will come right back due to NXTventure's self-ownership.

NXTventure will be dividending out the bulk of the offering of the month that remains after sales. It will try to gradually increase its cash position by selling a bit more than it invested. Based on the ~20% ownership for itself, after a year it will permanently own ~20% pieces of each of the offerings. I designed NXTventure to have a high dividend rate and potential for massive appreciation.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on May 20, 2014, 04:51:22 am
How about a progress report or building map of this asset? Would be great to know whats happening every now and then.  ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on May 20, 2014, 05:02:02 am
How about a progress report or building map of this asset? Would be great to know whats happening every now and then.  ;D
Since this is so cutting edge, we want to delay public disclosure of too many details during this sensitive stage.
This might change at anytime, but I think it would be better to wait until we are much closer to completion before letting the competition know exactly what they will be up against

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: spaw on May 20, 2014, 06:18:28 am
This uses NXT's automated transactions feature correct? Or is this something completely separate?

spaw

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on May 20, 2014, 08:41:06 am
How about a progress report or building map of this asset? Would be great to know whats happening every now and then.  ;D
Since this is so cutting edge, we want to delay public disclosure of too many details during this sensitive stage.
This might change at anytime, but I think it would be better to wait until we are much closer to completion before letting the competition know exactly what they will be up against

James

Orite Boss
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 31, 2014, 01:09:37 am
just a quick update,

currently working with Jean-Luc on architecture considerations.  Everything is looking great and the path forward is clear.

Once we firm up the shape at the DB level, we can determine tx types and then put together a basic GUI that everyone can see.

Been getting lots of interest in Virtual Corporations from VCs and 'idea people'.  Everything looks very exciting and my inaction here is mainly due to being overwhelmed with interest.

I've been updating this child board: https://nxtforum.org/virtual-corporations/

stay tuned, more to come!

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on May 31, 2014, 02:00:05 am
just a few points for investors-

Virtual Corporations will allow for an entirely new class of profit models!

NXTautoDAC will be in a unique position to implement these new models and profits will be passed onto our shareholders.

hang tight- great things are in the works!

-bm
 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 02, 2014, 03:07:35 pm
What exactly is the difference between using AT for making DACs on your own and this? I'm really confused.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 02, 2014, 03:19:00 pm
What exactly is the difference between using AT for making DACs on your own and this? I'm really confused.

quite a bit.

for one, AT claims it can do everything.  I guess we'll have to applaud that when it's finished?

even Ethereum tacitly admits this block chain scripting model is flawed, and they had to revise their plan.  Personally, I don't think the AT project is viable.  VCorps aims to deliver a clear and obvious value to NXT.

how will AT offer usable GUI features to users?  we're going to expect them eg. to make their own dividend scripts?  I do not wish to bring forth criticisms of other projects, but certainly there are issues with the AT model, many recognize this but do not necessary voice them.

thanks for your interest.

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 02, 2014, 03:21:26 pm
What exactly is the difference between using AT for making DACs on your own and this? I'm really confused.

quite a bit.

for one, AT claims it can do everything.  I guess we'll have to applaud that when it's finished?

even Ethereum tacitly admits this block chain scripting model is flawed, and they had to revise their plan.  Personally, I don't think the AT project is viable.  VCorps aims to deliver a clear and obvious value to NXT.

how will AT offer usable GUI features to users?  we're going to expect them eg. to make their own dividend scripts?  I do not wish to bring forth criticisms of other projects, but certainly there are issues with the AT model, many recognize this but do not necessary voice them.

thanks for your interest.

-bm

wtf are you talking about :o
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 02, 2014, 03:31:15 pm
What exactly is the difference between using AT for making DACs on your own and this? I'm really confused.

quite a bit.

for one, AT claims it can do everything.  I guess we'll have to applaud that when it's finished?

even Ethereum tacitly admits this block chain scripting model is flawed, and they had to revise their plan.  Personally, I don't think the AT project is viable.  VCorps aims to deliver a clear and obvious value to NXT.

how will AT offer usable GUI features to users?  we're going to expect them eg. to make their own dividend scripts?  I do not wish to bring forth criticisms of other projects, but certainly there are issues with the AT model, many recognize this but do not necessary voice them.

thanks for your interest.

-bm

wtf are you talking about :o

It was discussed at length here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431513.msg6509979#msg6509979

I guess you didn't get the memo?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 02, 2014, 09:33:58 pm
Wesley has just joined the team: https://nxtforum.org/virtual-corporations/welcome-wesley/

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 07:58:35 am
Ok, so

- NXTautoDAC will be a a service on top of Nxt (like multigateway for example) and AT, if successful, will be integrated in the Nxt core
- NXTautoDAC is not free and AT will be free (despite the fees)

Right?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 02:39:57 pm
The nxtAT asset created for that reason. As a company offering consultating and development for AT. I am not familiar with the NXTautodac, but one of the many use cases of AT are DACs.

How does NXTautodac work without AT in the core? (Btw I don't care about assets, I care about the technology)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 03, 2014, 02:58:50 pm
Ok, so

- NXTautoDAC will be a a service on top of Nxt (like multigateway for example) and AT, if successful, will be integrated in the Nxt core
- NXTautoDAC is not free and AT will be free (despite the fees)

Right?

Seems that AT and all the plans for the Turing complete code need to fundamentally change and control the operations of NXT. This isn't ready or proven yet and seems to me to be a very imposing change.

NxtAutoDac is more of a multisig, multiuser device for shared responsibility and accountability.


NXTAutoDac or Vcorps as it is seemingly become a better name,  will give individuals the ability to cooperate with shared accounts and voting rights.

NXTAutoDac will seemingly be less of a service on top and more of a feature added into NXT like the asset exchange,  or aliases have been.

As I posted yesterday,  this will allow for the creation of Blockchain accountability, and therefore lead to true leverage of capital and will present trustless cooperation opportunities.

Think of vcorps as corporate law. When you buy apple stock, you buy their ideas,  but you also are buying the legislation and protection of the US legal system.

Vcorps will follow the law of data.

Which do you think is more infallible?
The laws of rich men or the law of the Blockchain?





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Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 03:39:40 pm
Ok, so

- NXTautoDAC will be a a service on top of Nxt (like multigateway for example) and AT, if successful, will be integrated in the Nxt core
- NXTautoDAC is not free and AT will be free (despite the fees)

Right?

wrong on both counts.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 03:41:05 pm
Please educate me since I have a hard time not confusing both concepts or mix up their characteristics.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gs02xzz on June 03, 2014, 03:43:42 pm
NXTAutoDac or Vcorps as it is seemingly become a better name,  will give individuals the ability to cooperate with shared accounts and voting rights.

So, Vcorps=the family of autoDACs, and NXTautoDAC assets still represent .0001% of revenues from Vcorps, right?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 03:45:19 pm
NXTAutoDac will seemingly be less of a service on top and more of a feature added into NXT like the asset exchange,  or aliases have been.

So NXTAutoDac will be free for everyone (+fees like Alias, AM, transactions, ...) and no one but the forgers will get these fees from it?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 03:58:22 pm
NXTAutoDac will seemingly be less of a service on top and more of a feature added into NXT like the asset exchange,  or aliases have been.

So NXTAutoDac will be free for everyone (+fees like Alias, AM, transactions, ...) and no one but the forgers will get these fees from it?

correct.  but more accurate is VCorp will be free in the same way AE is free, there will be fees that go to forgers.

we are not attempting to meter the feature somehow for corporate profits.  the Corporation is meant to help channel financial support for development.  Any sort of revenue streams which emerge around this feature we will pass onto shareholders(and there are many- check the subforum) and developers.  The idea here is to create a better model for NXT development, if it's a success, we can repeat the pattern.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 03, 2014, 04:03:18 pm
I admit its confusing with the NXTAutoDac asset and the VCorps system level project but I was asking BM these same questions last night on Skype

To register a basic VCorp on your own would be comparable to registering an Asset is the current thinking. Maybe a little less. $40 was the number thrown around.
The fee will go to forgers, not to the the Asset owners.

The NXTAutoDac asset will serve to offer help with "Virtual Incorporation", and offer value added services to increase the usefulness of the VCorp for the whole community.

It seems that NXTAutoDac Asset will operate to find new business and draw it into NXT with a set up fee, building new features, and maybe even offering hashed but off chain reporting for a few ideas.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 04:04:52 pm
Your reply is foggy.

currently working with Jean-Luc on architecture considerations.  Everything is looking great and the path forward is clear.
The idea here is to create a better model for NXT development, if it's a success, we can repeat the pattern.
Please clarify. Are there new transaction types added by JL just to make NXTautoDAC possible? Is monetizing of core development/functions going on?

Any attempt of core devs to monetize their activity related to Nxt core is bad
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 03, 2014, 04:10:57 pm
Not monetizing core features. Fees go to forgers.
Asset serves to offer value added services.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 04:17:27 pm
Please clarify. Are there new transaction types added by JL just to make NXTautoDAC possible? Is monetizing of core development/functions going on?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 04:22:53 pm
why is bitcoinpaul spamming this thread?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 04:42:49 pm
why is bitcoinpaul spamming this thread?

Because I'm too dumb to see the difference between independent core developing and this NXTautoDac business idea with 0,0001% of revenue stream per asset. Especially when JL develops new transaction types for this project and Wesley, the nxt GUI developer, is involved.

I just want to understand Nxt.

Not monetizing core features.

NXTautoDAC shares are backed by future profit and monetization of the Virtual Corporation feature I'm developing for NXT

Once we firm up the shape at the DB level, we can determine tx types and then put together a basic GUI that everyone can see.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 05:13:07 pm
Waiting for response. Especially to the contradicting sentences.

Keep in mind please that I'm no developer, so I have only a limited understanding of technical details.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 03, 2014, 05:23:47 pm
hey paul

 I want to answer you. I'm here. I think there is some confusion.

 the "vcorp" core level service is not a business. it is a feature.

 NXTautoDac business is an asset that exists to ASSIST users creating their own VCorps.

 NXTautoDac business will earn profits by charging for VALUE ADDED SERVICES.

 NO ONE needs to use the services of NXTautoDac

 NXTautoDac will drive BUSINESS to NXT by setting up and managing VCorps for third parties that CHOOSE to ask for assistance.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 05:28:47 pm
hey paul

 I want to answer you. I'm here. I think there is some confusion.

 the "vcorp" core level service is not a business. it is a feature.

 NXTautoDac business is an asset that exists to ASSIST users creating their own VCorps.

 NXTautoDac business will earn profits by charging for VALUE ADDED SERVICES.

 NO ONE needs to use the services of NXTautoDac

 NXTautoDac will drive BUSINESS to NXT by setting up and managing VCorps for third parties that CHOOSE to ask for assistance.

Ah, now I understand it better. Thanks, Brian.
This business idea (service on top) by bluemeanie is somehow interweaved with vcorp (core feature), developed by bluemeanie. That's why I quoted CfB:

Any attempt of core devs to monetize their activity related to Nxt core is bad

It's the same story with AT and NxtAT assets. Some guys developing AT and the same guys issued AT assets. People screamed. Now DAC in core is being developed and the same guys issue NXTautoDAC assets.

Quote
NXTautoDAC shares are backed by future profit and monetization of the Virtual Corporation feature I'm developing for NXT, recently approved by the Technical Development Committee.

The idea here is to create a better model for NXT development, if it's a success, we can repeat the pattern.

I just want to be careful when it comes to conflicting interests.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 05:53:36 pm
Jef Diesel is an official member of the group and can speak for us.

Please direct your questions to him.  thanks.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 06:01:15 pm
The issue this structure intends to solve is the under-financing of development.  There's ways to recoup on these sorts of development efforts(that don't interfere with the free and open source values) and the company will maximize on that.  The firm has a two-fold value 1) value to NXT because we improve NXT 2) value to investors because we manage profits that stem from the existence of this feature.

Eventually these income sources will become clear.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 06:03:15 pm
Thanks for clarification. After understanding the whole project better, though, I think you understand my thoughts coz the same happened with AT and NxtAT, didn't it?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 06:04:46 pm
NXTat is not of my concern.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 06:06:51 pm
NXTat is not of my concern.

-bm

No, I meant it's the same a similar situation.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 06:47:03 pm
Ok, the idea is that bluemeanie (and others) are concerned that AT might never get implemented (because of security or other reasons) so it is good to implement DAC functionality directly in the core (with vcorp) since this is an important feature for second generation cryptos. And Nxtautodac is the same for vcorp as NxtAT for AT.

Understood.

Thanks for clearing things up, Jef.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 03, 2014, 08:00:00 pm
Ok, the idea is that bluemeanie (and others) are concerned that AT might never get implemented (because of security or other reasons) so it is good to implement DAC functionality directly in the core (with vcorp) since this is an important feature for second generation cryptos. And Nxtautodac is the same for vcorp as NxtAT for AT.

Understood.

Thanks for clearing things up, Jef.

Thanks, bitcoinpaul, for "spamming" (pfft  ::)) this thread and asking your questions. You aren't the only one who was confused about the relationships of the relevant structures.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 08:01:51 pm
hi sparta_cuss,

if you have any questions please feel free to post them here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 03, 2014, 08:02:32 pm
it seems to me that bitcoinpaul was more interested in discussing NXTat, which is not the subject of this thread.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 03, 2014, 08:03:24 pm
it seems to me that bitcoinpaul was more interested in discussing NXTat, which is not the subject of this thread.

No.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 04, 2014, 08:39:19 pm
it seems to me that bitcoinpaul was more interested in discussing NXTat, which is not the subject of this thread.

No.

I don't think Paul was more concerned with NXTat. Paul and I had a good skype chat, and his concerns seem to lay with the conflict of monetizing core features.

He seemed just as concerned that the relationship between NXTat and AT, as he was at the relationship of NXTautoDAC and VCorps.

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And Nxtautodac is the same for vcorp as NxtAT for AT.

As i see it, the first two of both groups, NXTat and NXTautoDAC are confusingly both tied to the second two (AT, VCorps) and since the first two are issued and trading assets, while the second pair are planning on being features added to the core feature of NXT.

This does give a somewhat murky appearance, and I can only speak on behalf of NXTautoDAC, so I will.

NXTautoDAC is not financially connected to the VCorp feature. The VCorp will be a core feature, all costs for registering a VCorp will be paid in forging fees, just like Aliases or Asset issuance.

NXTautoDAC's role is to help businesses take advantage of the VCorp feature. NXTautoDAC will offer its services to advise, set up, and best utilize the VCorp feature.

If VCorp is crypto Corporate Law, then NXTautoDAC is the cyrpto corporate lawyer, helping you get started, and make decisions along the way.



ANY user can set up a VCorp for no greater cost than the issuance fee.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 04, 2014, 08:50:07 pm
it seems to me that bitcoinpaul was more interested in discussing NXTat, which is not the subject of this thread.

No.

I don't think Paul was more concerned with NXTat. Paul and I had a good skype chat, and his concerns seem to lay with the conflict of monetizing core features.

He seemed just as concerned that the relationship between NXTat and AT, as he was at the relationship of NXTautoDAC and VCorps.

Quote
And Nxtautodac is the same for vcorp as NxtAT for AT.

As i see it, the first two of both groups, NXTat and NXTautoDAC are confusingly both tied to the second two (AT, VCorps) and since the first two are issued and trading assets, while the second pair are planning on being features added to the core feature of NXT.

This does give a somewhat murky appearance, and I can only speak on behalf of NXTautoDAC, so I will.

NXTautoDAC is not financially connected to the VCorp feature. The VCorp will be a core feature, all costs for registering a VCorp will be paid in forging fees, just like Aliases or Asset issuance.

NXTautoDAC's role is to help businesses take advantage of the VCorp feature. NXTautoDAC will offer its services to advise, set up, and best utilize the VCorp feature.

If VCorp is crypto Corporate Law, then NXTautoDAC is the cyrpto corporate lawyer, helping you get started, and make decisions along the way.



ANY user can set up a VCorp for no greater cost than the issuance fee.

Thank you, Jef.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 05, 2014, 04:41:30 pm
why you should buy assets?
why should you use the AE in these times?

Buy assets or hold Nxt?

Prices are falling dramatically. can a dividend reduce the loss again?

Or i understood something wrong?

would have bought 2 weeks ago nxtautodac this would now have a loss of 25%.
Should the price rise Nxt asset prices will continue cheaper.
A week ago 100000 Nxt invested and 2 weeks later, perhaps only 10,000  Nxt worth but the price is 30cent.

If the price fluctuations such all assets are probably hopelessly overpriced ?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gs02xzz on June 05, 2014, 04:54:21 pm
If the price fluctuations such all assets are probably hopelessly overpriced ?

Don't worry. This is a free market. The Market will correct the overpriced items. Actually it is a big opportunity to make profit if you can identify any overpriced or underpriced items.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jefdiesel on June 05, 2014, 07:30:36 pm
why you should buy assets?
why should you use the AE in these times?

Buy assets or hold Nxt?

Prices are falling dramatically. can a dividend reduce the loss again?

Or i understood something wrong?

would have bought 2 weeks ago nxtautodac this would now have a loss of 25%.
Should the price rise Nxt asset prices will continue cheaper.
A week ago 100000 Nxt invested and 2 weeks later, perhaps only 10,000  Nxt worth but the price is 30cent.

If the price fluctuations such all assets are probably hopelessly overpriced ?

depends where you place your value and what the end role of all these bits, devices, and exchanges are.

if you bought NXT at 4 cents a couple months ago, and then bought assets at 20NXT, thats 80 cents each

Now NXT is 9 cents, more than 100%. Asset prices don't just go up 100% because NXT did. IN FACT they should drop to level out unless they are paying out weekly dividends IN NXT, or holding large amounts of NXT

Even if your asset holdings dropped from 20NXT to 10NXT, you're still up since your assets are worth 9NXT x 10ASSET = 90 cents. for a 12% gain.

If nothing fundamental has changed with this Asset, then the price of NXT has no effect.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 05, 2014, 08:34:22 pm
yes correct, but the flexibility is not present you can not respond.
I do not quite understand the asset jl777hodl. for me this is not a fond, as a fond gaining value when the shares of the Fund to rise, there is the other way around.

oh yeah .. I'm getting it so, these have no assets provide better in times of strong value appreciation.
and if the price goes down again will be covered with assets as insurance.

The aim is to inspire the new Nxt buyer for the client .. you can imagine how well the prices will then develop? to the moon!

I hope for good dividends and the people who get the new possibilities of Nxt discover and do not store their coins only on the Exchanges.

For me, I hope I'm learning english  ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Tosch110 on June 05, 2014, 08:50:06 pm
I do not quite understand the asset jl777hodl. for me this is not a fond, as a fond gaining value when the shares of the Fund to rise, there is the other way around.

Well, as I understand is jl777hodl is not really planned as investment right now. This is the reason James is neither advertising it nor promising anything about that.

I see it more as value keeper. Well I would pay 10 times more as I see it right now. So james receives 10 times more NXT as he has put into this asset. He will save this assets for a long time, maybe in the future when they are worth much more he will start investing again with this and share dividends. At this point of time this might be a huge oppurtinity. But well, I have not seen anyone advertising for jl777hodl, therefore I would not recommend it myself.
It is just an oppurtunity that is cheap to get (speaking in current rates)

Maybe in some years nobody will speak of james anymore and so on... but he is doing good in making nxt with his assets. And I do support him as he is working now
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 09, 2014, 05:26:05 am
I do not quite understand the asset jl777hodl. for me this is not a fond, as a fond gaining value when the shares of the Fund to rise, there is the other way around.

Well, as I understand is jl777hodl is not really planned as investment right now. This is the reason James is neither advertising it nor promising anything about that.

I see it more as value keeper. Well I would pay 10 times more as I see it right now. So james receives 10 times more NXT as he has put into this asset. He will save this assets for a long time, maybe in the future when they are worth much more he will start investing again with this and share dividends. At this point of time this might be a huge oppurtinity. But well, I have not seen anyone advertising for jl777hodl, therefore I would not recommend it myself.
It is just an oppurtunity that is cheap to get (speaking in current rates)

Maybe in some years nobody will speak of james anymore and so on... but he is doing good in making nxt with his assets. And I do support him as he is working now
I do not plan to be advertising my various assets
The information is there for intelligent investors to calculate and evaluate whether it is a good value or not

http://nxtreporting.com/?a=NXT-2AHU-UXZW-K9Q2-HENLW&c=USD
The above is a handy way to check the market value of jl777hodl, it is showing 1.04 NXT per asset, so current prices that are below .9 are at a discount. This is valuing the Boost, NXTsharks and NXTforex assets at 0

The assets in jl777hodl will stay there long term or be converted to NXT. So, while I cannot promise what will be added to jl777hodl, you can know that the current holdings will stay there or be sold off for NXT

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: allwelder on June 13, 2014, 12:37:26 am
I do not quite understand the asset jl777hodl. for me this is not a fond, as a fond gaining value when the shares of the Fund to rise, there is the other way around.

Well, as I understand is jl777hodl is not really planned as investment right now. This is the reason James is neither advertising it nor promising anything about that.

I see it more as value keeper. Well I would pay 10 times more as I see it right now. So james receives 10 times more NXT as he has put into this asset. He will save this assets for a long time, maybe in the future when they are worth much more he will start investing again with this and share dividends. At this point of time this might be a huge oppurtinity. But well, I have not seen anyone advertising for jl777hodl, therefore I would not recommend it myself.
It is just an oppurtunity that is cheap to get (speaking in current rates)

Maybe in some years nobody will speak of james anymore and so on... but he is doing good in making nxt with his assets. And I do support him as he is working now
I do not plan to be advertising my various assets
The information is there for intelligent investors to calculate and evaluate whether it is a good value or not

http://nxtreporting.com/?a=NXT-2AHU-UXZW-K9Q2-HENLW&c=USD
The above is a handy way to check the market value of jl777hodl, it is showing 1.04 NXT per asset, so current prices that are below .9 are at a discount. This is valuing the Boost, NXTsharks and NXTforex assets at 0

The assets in jl777hodl will stay there long term or be converted to NXT. So, while I cannot promise what will be added to jl777hodl, you can know that the current holdings will stay there or be sold off for NXT

James
amazing.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: KyLin on June 15, 2014, 01:30:02 am
I do not quite understand the asset jl777hodl. for me this is not a fond, as a fond gaining value when the shares of the Fund to rise, there is the other way around.

Well, as I understand is jl777hodl is not really planned as investment right now. This is the reason James is neither advertising it nor promising anything about that.

I see it more as value keeper. Well I would pay 10 times more as I see it right now. So james receives 10 times more NXT as he has put into this asset. He will save this assets for a long time, maybe in the future when they are worth much more he will start investing again with this and share dividends. At this point of time this might be a huge oppurtinity. But well, I have not seen anyone advertising for jl777hodl, therefore I would not recommend it myself.
It is just an oppurtunity that is cheap to get (speaking in current rates)

Maybe in some years nobody will speak of james anymore and so on... but he is doing good in making nxt with his assets. And I do support him as he is working now
I do not plan to be advertising my various assets
The information is there for intelligent investors to calculate and evaluate whether it is a good value or not

http://nxtreporting.com/?a=NXT-2AHU-UXZW-K9Q2-HENLW&c=USD
The above is a handy way to check the market value of jl777hodl, it is showing 1.04 NXT per asset, so current prices that are below .9 are at a discount. This is valuing the Boost, NXTsharks and NXTforex assets at 0

The assets in jl777hodl will stay there long term or be converted to NXT. So, while I cannot promise what will be added to jl777hodl, you can know that the current holdings will stay there or be sold off for NXT

James
James, you're standing right here.
Support you.

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 10:24:25 am
Everyone..

We need a simple explaination of what the fuck is goin on. Bm left the project? It was not informed? What happens now? What happens to the asset holders??

This is not good!

P.s sorry for being a little emotional. But you know why.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 10:39:01 am
What a ******* *asshole

First he talks about scammers joining the project then he scams himself
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Cassius on June 17, 2014, 10:41:39 am
Ditto, would like to find out more, please.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 10:42:36 am
What a ******* *asshole

First he talks about scammers joining the project then he scams himself

Lets wait for james. Hopefully he has a good contigency plan.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 17, 2014, 11:03:06 am
Just read the last post of BlueMeanie1 here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7353885#msg7353885

Especially this one:
Quote
another sign that NXT are essentially worthless.

-bm

AMAZING
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: chanc3r on June 17, 2014, 11:07:22 am
These things happen if he has lost it for some reason then we will need to figure out how to regroup and fix it, NXT needs this stuff.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Mexxer on June 17, 2014, 11:11:23 am
All the post I've seen from him were just filled with negativity and hostility.

I really don't know why he was hired as a dev and don't think the community should allow him to continue with this.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: barbierir on June 17, 2014, 11:12:10 am
If he abandon this project I hope he will refund us asset holders, a part from that I say good riddance!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 11:23:59 am
We did not get them as dividends. We bought them at price ladders...  ???
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 11:25:05 am
All the post I've seen from him were just filled with negativity and hostility.

I really don't know why he was hired as a dev and don't think the community should allow him to continue with this.

It got really annoying..first I thought he had sand in his vagina, but it got worse  :-X
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Cassius on June 17, 2014, 11:32:50 am
From reading the BCT thread it's clear something went very wrong. I remember him coming on board around 6 weeks ago: he appeared to jump in with both feet. Now he's jumped back out again just as decisively. I'm bewildered, and concerned.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:36:13 am
All the post I've seen from him were just filled with negativity and hostility.

I really don't know why he was hired as a dev and don't think the community should allow him to continue with this.
hindsight is 20:20
I am not sure what happened to blue. I am reaching out to him to determine what he intends to do.

Rest assured that I have several levels of contingency plans in place, depending on exactly what he decides to do. I have no reason to believe that he will just disappear with the money. So, my assumption is that the worst realistic case is that he quits the project, but returns the NXT. This would be unfortunate, as he is a talented dev, there is no doubt of this, but some people are not comfortable with the atmosphere of the forum.

Now there is a possibility that he just needs a vacation, but let us assume the above scenario. We would end up with NXTautoDAC not having its dev, but it would have funding. So, first thing I would do is recruit people, in fact I am already in touch with someone that has a good background. Of course, it will take time to staff up, but maybe not that long. In the case that I cant find developer that would be better than me to implement the DAC's, then I will commit to doing this. I cannot promise any specific release dates and I am hoping to be able to solve it in another way, but I am there as a backstop if needed. I know, I am doing too many projects, but with MGW getting very close to out of my hands, I do have room in my head for another project. So dont panic, things are not settled yet, but no matter what happens I will do my best to make sure asset holders of mine are not burned!

OK, in an even worse case scenario than the above, I even have a contingency for that. Please trust me on this, I dont want to disclose it unless it is necessary to do. Not that it is anything horrible, just no need to create any more uncertainty than already exists. I hope you can all understand this.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:42:44 am
We did not get them as dividends. We bought them at price ladders...  ???
assuming the NXT is returned, I will offer to repurchase from any original purchasers of NXTautoDAC at the price paid.
for people who bought and sold, etc. I am not sure what to do, it will all depend on the details of the transition plan
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 11:49:55 am
James,

Noted. Please keep us updated on this. Bm definitely owe us an explaination. This is why i even asked for a road map on the development earlier. What he has done is definitely wrong.

P.s. if Bm feels nxt is shitty coin, even more reasons for him to return them. No reason for him to keep or spend them. Quote his words back to him.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 12:05:33 pm
James,

Noted. Please keep us updated on this. Bm definitely owe us an explaination. This is why i even asked for a road map on the development earlier. What he has done is definitely wrong.

P.s. if Bm feels nxt is shitty coin, even more reasons for him to return them. No reason for him to keep or spend them. Quote his words back to him.
I am still hoping he will complete this project, so please stay calm. Unless you want to guarantee that he wont want to come back. I do not know what happened and neither do you, so any flaming just makes things worse.

If not for his sake, for my sake. It has been a pretty stressful couple of days and the last thing I need is more drama!

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gs02xzz on June 17, 2014, 12:08:15 pm
If he abandon this project I hope he will refund us asset holders, a part from that I say good riddance!

He also got a bounty from the Tech Committee - https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/ann-hire-of-bluemeanie1-for-'virtual-corporations'-features-development/
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 17, 2014, 12:16:27 pm
I hope he applies common sense and if he really wants to quit and leave, he does it properly. Not only for all the investors and for the community, also for his own sake. This would be a pretty bad precedent for any other projects he might have.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 17, 2014, 12:48:23 pm
Also, Ezravdb - please remember the rules about personal attacks. Regardless of the situation.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 01:49:55 pm
I was always wondering why he has so much time to bash others. Would have been better if he had put that in development of autodac.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bizz on June 17, 2014, 02:07:55 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7353885#msg7353885

Quote from: bluemeanie1 link=topic= date=1402971111
the project has been overtaken by scam artists.  There are good people in NXT.  The forums at this point are virtually unusable.

note that John never mentioned Virtual Corporations.  There is a reason for that.

-bm

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 02:25:10 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7353885#msg7353885

Quote from: bluemeanie1 link=topic= date=1402971111
the project has been overtaken by scam artists.  There are good people in NXT.  The forums at this point are virtually unusable.

note that John never mentioned Virtual Corporations.  There is a reason for that.

-bm

 ??? ??? ???
I have no clue what the reason might be. anybody?
Why should he mention and early stage project? I think a lot of projects were not mentioned.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 02:25:45 pm
Also, Ezravdb - please remember the rules about personal attacks. Regardless of the situation.

Cool
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 02:28:11 pm
Hm

There is someone trying to attack Nxt from the inside..

Could be a coincidence that BM is acting like this though..

I am not an important member but I am going to change my password anyways
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 17, 2014, 02:44:56 pm
I am not an important member but I am going to change my password anyways

Again, passwords are not stored in the forum database. SHA1 of the password entered when registering is. The only reason to change your password is if you deem it's really weak and vulnerable to bruteforcing, or if you believe someone might have access to your registered email and hence could request a password reset, or if you think your computer or personal password storage files have been compromised.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 03:10:01 pm
hi,

just got in, I see Im being called a scammer?  how exactly did that happen before I go through all the threads?

basically in the past day or so I had to distance myself from the NXT project because all I saw were supposedly 'trustworthy' people defending what is clearly a fraud.  It's pretty basic really.  It was mainly over at Bitcointalk.  Why did I do this?  was it to take off with your money?  no, I just can't be associated with a scam.

Im here to answer any questions you might have so have at it.

thanks, -bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 17, 2014, 03:10:22 pm
even more I do not contractual.

- SCAM yesterday with BTC
- Crypto Mart worse
- Autodac crap
-txtcoinnow panic sale of a few

much nxt burned ... risk and so ... better keep nxt  rather than burn nxt  >:(
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 03:12:15 pm
Hm

There is someone trying to attack Nxt from the inside..

Could be a coincidence that BM is acting like this though..

I am not an important member but I am going to change my password anyways


hold on, what am I acting like?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 17, 2014, 03:14:15 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 17, 2014, 03:15:10 pm
Im here to answer any questions you might have so have at it.

thanks, -bm

Thank you.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 03:19:54 pm

basically in the past day or so I had to distance myself from the NXT project because all I saw were supposedly 'trustworthy' people defending what is clearly a fraud.  It's pretty basic really.

thanks, -bm

Could you provide any evidence? And could you pls very clear about what clearly a fraud is?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 03:21:23 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 17, 2014, 03:29:37 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm

Now you talk about "unsavory elements"....

I suppose you agree with me that BTC has (many) "unsavory elements" and it is not worthless, is it?

Anyway, the issue that worries me the most is your incendiary "trash-talk" about NXT at BTT in a thread full of trolls and lies. I think you could choose a  much more polite way of expressing your "concerns" about nxt...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 17, 2014, 03:43:17 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm

What do you mean by "confusing situations"?

I see you still have a Nxt address in your signature. Do you have any intention of resuming work on NXTautoDAC?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 03:49:36 pm
I understand you are probably enjoying the attention and speaking in riddles but please make your position clear.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7364062#msg7364062

What is the problem?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 03:49:58 pm
re. NXTautoDAC- I told this to James some time ago- I don't even understand what he actually wrote into the asset description.

I am not the asset issuer of NXTautoDAC.  I had told James this some time ago, but we decided not to resolve this problem until the feature was developed.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 03:52:34 pm
also:  I have never sold a single share of NXTautoDAC.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 03:55:15 pm
What is the problem?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:00:25 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm

What do you mean by "confusing situations"?

I see you still have a Nxt address in your signature. Do you have any intention of resuming work on NXTautoDAC?

there are many people who can attest to the fact that I was taking this project seriously.

perhaps you can explain to us why CfB checked in 'voting with assets' feature which overlaps with VCorps?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:06:58 pm
re. NXTautoDAC- I told this to James some time ago- I don't even understand what he actually wrote into the asset description.

I am not the asset issuer of NXTautoDAC.  I had told James this some time ago, but we decided not to resolve this problem until the feature was developed.

-bm
Would you mind if I posted the PM where I sent you the asset description before issuing and you agreed with it 100%?

You wanted to reissue the asset and we decided it was premature to do it so quickly after it was issued. Waiting until there were actual dividends made sense.

you have quit the project, so you need to return the NXT
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:07:39 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm
I feel cheated by you. Please return the NXT

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:10:47 pm
the community payment is refundable.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:11:25 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm

What do you mean by "confusing situations"?

I see you still have a Nxt address in your signature. Do you have any intention of resuming work on NXTautoDAC?

there are many people who can attest to the fact that I was taking this project seriously.

perhaps you can explain to us why CfB checked in 'voting with assets' feature which overlaps with VCorps?

-bm
CfB also did a dividend feature. I dont use that as an excuse to quit. I actually like it, one less thing that I have to do, plus I can build on it.

NXT is decentralized so anybody can do whatever feature they want. Do you feel everybody needs to ask your permission before implementing something?

It looks like you just make tantrums and come up with excuses to justify quitting. If you want to quit, just quit. Pay back the NXT.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:12:12 pm
the community payment is refundable.

-bm
so you are saying you wont return the NXT you got for NXTautoDAC???

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:20:22 pm
bluemeanie1,

What about those post at BTT saying that NXT is worthless and more?
 I cannot understand your new position. Anyway, you are free.

I dont think the current market price is natural.  After working with the project for some time it became obvious that there were some unsavory elements.  I can't be associated with that.

re. the asset.  James has a tendency to create these confusing situations.  If you were an investor and you feel you were cheated in some way you can PM me.

-bm

What do you mean by "confusing situations"?

I see you still have a Nxt address in your signature. Do you have any intention of resuming work on NXTautoDAC?

there are many people who can attest to the fact that I was taking this project seriously.

perhaps you can explain to us why CfB checked in 'voting with assets' feature which overlaps with VCorps?

-bm
CfB also did a dividend feature. I dont use that as an excuse to quit. I actually like it, one less thing that I have to do, plus I can build on it.

NXT is decentralized so anybody can do whatever feature they want. Do you feel everybody needs to ask your permission before implementing something?

It looks like you just make tantrums and come up with excuses to justify quitting. If you want to quit, just quit. Pay back the NXT.

James

right so now I'm throwing a tantrum?

you haven't given us an explanation as to why this core developer appears to be employing offensive tactics against my project.

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands.  If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:21:57 pm
the community payment is refundable.

-bm
so you are saying you wont return the NXT you got for NXTautoDAC???


I havent pronounced this project over James, you have.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: ThomasVeil on June 17, 2014, 04:34:21 pm
I just can't be associated with a scam.

I'm sure the way you will handle the promises you made here, will play a big role whether people want to be associated with you in the future.

Quote
Im here to answer any questions you might have so have at it.

Dude: Ctrl-F, search for question marks, and knock yourself out!
You have not answered a single question that came before you came back, nor any afterwards. While at the same time you had enough hours to hang in BTCtalk and hurt the Nxt community, that funded you.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:37:34 pm
"Thomas",

I've answered faithfully every questions sent to me.  You need to stop trying to turn me into a criminal because I described how pump and dump operations work on Bitcoin Talk.

I am not interested in participating in pump and dump schemes.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 17, 2014, 04:39:16 pm
After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 17, 2014, 04:40:03 pm
It is clear you dont like pump&dump and it is PERFECTLY CLEAR you don't like john (justabit).

Question is: What has to do this with harming NXT and its community?

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:40:19 pm
the community payment is refundable.

-bm
so you are saying you wont return the NXT you got for NXTautoDAC???


I havent pronounced this project over James, you have.

-bm
So you didnt quit TEAM
You didnt stop work?
You intend to continue working on NXTautoDAC?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:42:42 pm
I do intend to honor any real investors who had faith in this idea.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:43:17 pm
After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 17, 2014, 04:44:11 pm
After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm

I'd be happy to prove my identity on Skype. Just let me know.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 17, 2014, 04:45:46 pm
I don't understand a single word of that description. Can you describe or give a link to what these AutoDACs do?

I don't get a single word of most of James his assets.

It reminds me of Ripple, also such complex proposition it was. Does not bode well!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 17, 2014, 04:51:29 pm

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands. If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm

My impression is that James is involving a lot of people in his projects, that already have high trust in the community, to give more trust to his project. I have a gut feeling this will end poorly for them.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 04:54:29 pm
the community payment is refundable.

-bm
so you are saying you wont return the NXT you got for NXTautoDAC???


I havent pronounced this project over James, you have.

-bm
I am glad you are continuing with NXTautoDAC, it would be a shame to let down the investors

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 17, 2014, 04:55:11 pm
Some weird talk goes on here. Indeed.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 04:57:34 pm

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands. If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm

My impression is that James is involving a lot of people in his projects, that already have high trust in the community, to give more trust to his project. I have a gut feeling this will end poorly for them.

James tends to create these things quickly and hastily because they have complex agreements that no one quite understands.  I want to make sure no one was cheated who had basic faith in me, and again I'm willing to work those things out.  You can reach me on skype:  blue.meanie4

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 04:59:42 pm

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands. If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm

My impression is that James is involving a lot of people in his projects, that already have high trust in the community, to give more trust to his project. I have a gut feeling this will end poorly for them.

James tends to create these things quickly and hastily because they have complex agreements that no one quite understands.  I want to make sure no one was cheated who had basic faith in me, and again I'm willing to work those things out.  You can reach me on skype:  blue.meanie4

-bm

So what exactly are you accusing James and CfB of? Stepping on your toes?

Spell it out, I'm dumb and this is tedious. Needlessly tedious.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Vega on June 17, 2014, 05:02:14 pm
This is like when a girl says "You know what you did!"
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: msin on June 17, 2014, 05:12:02 pm
I'm still a little confused by how NxtDAC has anything to do with CoinTroplis scam.  Anyway, I hope BM doesn't leave, he is a valued member of the community.  In general, Nxt needs to put more focus on the developer community.  We build usable/innovative features and users will come without the need for overly-hyped marketing tactics.  I'm not sure why BM is so frustrated, perhaps it's this forum and the whole Karma thing, but that all seems a little extraneous. 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 05:12:11 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 17, 2014, 05:13:44 pm

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands. If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm

My impression is that James is involving a lot of people in his projects, that already have high trust in the community, to give more trust to his project. I have a gut feeling this will end poorly for them.

James tends to create these things quickly and hastily because they have complex agreements that no one quite understands.  I want to make sure no one was cheated who had basic faith in me, and again I'm willing to work those things out.  You can reach me on skype:  blue.meanie4

-bm

So what exactly are you accusing James and CfB of? Stepping on your toes?

Spell it out, I'm dumb and this is tedious. Needlessly tedious.

Bas, aren't you in the TEAM (of James)?  ::)

May cloud your vision if so.

I don't like that he says he wants to make millionaires of others.

It's a red flag.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bizz on June 17, 2014, 05:20:01 pm
I'm still a little confused by how NxtDAC has anything to do with CoinTroplis scam.  Anyway, I hope BM doesn't leave, he is a valued member of the community.  In general, Nxt needs to put more focus on the developer community.  We build usable/innovative features and users will come without the need for overly-hyped marketing tactics.  I'm not sure why BM is so frustrated, perhaps it's this forum and the whole Karma thing, but that all seems a little extraneous.

Not anymore in my eyes. Whatever he creates I don't want to use it after those nonsense statements he made, bashing john without any proof and overall keeps trashing Nxt and this forum and community. Maybe he needs a vacation or something idk. All just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 05:21:18 pm
Unnecessary and deliberate delays after a FUDspree is a concern. Maybe we would all like to declare in turn how much ShortNXT we all own... ::)

When are we going to see some details, open a window and let the ego out.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:23:18 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??

I already offered to speak on skype with anyone who is concerned.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 05:25:48 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??

I already offered to speak on skype with anyone who is concerned.

-bm

Everybody is concerned.

And thanks for the smite TwinWinNerD :D Why do you have such strong feelings?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:26:46 pm

re. your other claims, I have never sold a single share.  That is a fact.  Whatever sorts of things you did, and attempted to do through my name are out of my hands. If someone feels they were cheated by me personally, please PM me.  Firstly I need to identify that you are an actual person, and we will discuss reparations if necessary.

any funds spent by the community can be returned.

-bm

My impression is that James is involving a lot of people in his projects, that already have high trust in the community, to give more trust to his project. I have a gut feeling this will end poorly for them.

James tends to create these things quickly and hastily because they have complex agreements that no one quite understands.  I want to make sure no one was cheated who had basic faith in me, and again I'm willing to work those things out.  You can reach me on skype:  blue.meanie4

-bm

So what exactly are you accusing James and CfB of? Stepping on your toes?

Spell it out, I'm dumb and this is tedious. Needlessly tedious.

Bas, aren't you in the TEAM (of James)?  ::)

May cloud your vision if so.

I don't like that he says he wants to make millionaires of others.

It's a red flag.

I officially quit TEAM some time ago.  long before the Cointropolis Heist even before the NEM scandal came out.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:27:51 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??

I already offered to speak on skype with anyone who is concerned.

-bm

Everybody is concerned.


but no one wants to talk on skype?

instead the sock puppets want to make me look bad because I was pointing out fraud activity on BCT.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 05:29:58 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??

I already offered to speak on skype with anyone who is concerned.

-bm

Everybody is concerned.


but no one wants to talk on skype?

instead the sock puppets want to make me look bad because I was pointing out fraud activity on BCT.

-bm

What does it matter if they are sockpuppets? You are doing more damage not explaining yourself.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TwinWinNerD on June 17, 2014, 05:33:14 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 05:34:52 pm
Conversation is getting useless. BM sounds like a frustated guy who thinks he is not getting the attention he deserves. Therefore, he wants to punished NXT community as a whole. Some kind of childish bevaviour.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bizz on June 17, 2014, 05:35:10 pm
sorry wrong thread...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:37:39 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.

how is sitting here responding to your posts as quickly as I can, offering to chat on skype 'running off with the money'?

meanwhile Cointropolis take a full 24 hours to come up with some story about how a pile of BTC just disappeared down a hole?  you guys aren't even close to believable.

what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 05:39:08 pm
why can you not simply return funds to the account you received them from?  what does any potential sockpuppet have to do with that action?

After reading many bluemeanie posts only two words come to mind- "Toxic" and "Delusional"

yay another sock puppet account!

-bm


so, anyone who disagrees with you  is a sockpuppet??

I already offered to speak on skype with anyone who is concerned.

-bm

Everybody is concerned.


but no one wants to talk on skype?

instead the sock puppets want to make me look bad because I was pointing out fraud activity on BCT.

-bm


the 'sock puppets' dont need your help in that, you are doing fine all on your own.  so is your plan to get everyone who already agrees with you in a skype, and just circle jerk each other? 

or you could potentially give people something to think about here.  your call dude.

is it that you are SERIOUSLY THAT CONCERNED about your karma level?  OMG please dont let it be that.  If that is what you are worried about then I dont want to hear anything you have to say in the first place.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 05:40:54 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.

how is sitting here responding to your posts as quickly as I can, offering to chat on skype 'running off with the money'?

meanwhile Cointropolis take a full 24 hours to come up with some story about how a pile of BTC just disappeared down a hole?  you guys aren't even close to believable.

what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm


who is #1?  FWIW, personally, I feel john has some personal responsibility of his own here.  not that I can prove anything or force anything, but IMO he should do *something* to make things right with the not-so-bright-people who were scammed.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 05:41:09 pm


what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm
Evidence?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 17, 2014, 05:41:48 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.

how is sitting here responding to your posts as quickly as I can, offering to chat on skype 'running off with the money'?

meanwhile Cointropolis take a full 24 hours to come up with some story about how a pile of BTC just disappeared down a hole?  you guys aren't even close to believable.

what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm

That is quite possible BM. Who was this done to in the past?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 17, 2014, 05:44:53 pm
Who was this done to in the past?

FrictionlessCoin ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: msin on June 17, 2014, 05:49:36 pm

I officially quit TEAM some time ago.  long before the Cointropolis Heist even before the NEM scandal came out.

-bm

What do either of those have to do with you personally or the NxtDAC project, I'm still confused.  I think everyone is upset with the CoinTropolis thing, but I'm not sure how any of this relates to your problem.  As someone who is impartial to the NxtDAC project, can you please explain why exactly you are leaving the project?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 05:57:50 pm

I officially quit TEAM some time ago.  long before the Cointropolis Heist even before the NEM scandal came out.

-bm

What do either of those have to do with you personally or the NxtDAC project, I'm still confused.  I think everyone is upset with the CoinTropolis thing, but I'm not sure how any of this relates to your problem.  As someone who is impartial to the NxtDAC project, can you please explain why exactly you are leaving the project?

I can't see us getting anywhere on this while there is so much attention to grand stand in front of.

I am out for now ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:58:49 pm

I officially quit TEAM some time ago.  long before the Cointropolis Heist even before the NEM scandal came out.

-bm

What do either of those have to do with you personally or the NxtDAC project, I'm still confused.  I think everyone is upset with the CoinTropolis thing, but I'm not sure how any of this relates to your problem.  As someone who is impartial to the NxtDAC project, can you please explain why exactly you are leaving the project?

I never claimed I was leaving anything.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 06:17:51 pm
Bm,

I have went through your replies. I have pm'ed you a msg.
Thanks.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: msin on June 17, 2014, 06:19:27 pm
Okay, probably good that I take a break from this, I obviously don't have all the facts and am a bit confused as to what is going on.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: mikesbmw on June 17, 2014, 06:25:06 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 06:27:02 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

You dont understand, you have to respond within 5 minutes of creation of the topic or else you are a sockpuppet  :D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: mikesbmw on June 17, 2014, 06:28:38 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

You dont understand, you have to respond within 5 minutes of creation of the topic or else you are a sockpuppet  :D
I'm trying to be constructive...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Uniqueorn on June 17, 2014, 06:37:09 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.

how is sitting here responding to your posts as quickly as I can, offering to chat on skype 'running off with the money'?

meanwhile Cointropolis take a full 24 hours to come up with some story about how a pile of BTC just disappeared down a hole?  you guys aren't even close to believable.

what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm


who is #1?  FWIW, personally, I feel john has some personal responsibility of his own here.  not that I can prove anything or force anything, but IMO he should do *something* to make things right with the not-so-bright-people who were scammed.

So what do you propose John do? he is pretty much willing to do everything to clear his name. We had a long ~1hour+ camchat with him (me, tai zen, qbtc and damelon)yesterday and he was not evasive at all. He volunteered all information and was willing to comply with everything asked of him.
Does this prove his innocence? No, but we also have zero evidence of any fault on his part so far, except for a not so complex password.

If you have any suggestions of what needs to happen I propose you bring it up in the "hacked" thread so that he can get a chance to respond to it directly.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 06:37:42 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 06:42:48 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

You dont understand, you have to respond within 5 minutes of creation of the topic or else you are a sockpuppet  :D
I'm trying to be constructive...

it was sarcastic
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 06:44:33 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?

You spent a lot of posts here and on BCT on a lot of waffle, just start by telling your side.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 06:50:43 pm
1) someone arrives at NXT

2) he is followed by a cloud of controversy

3) bluemeanie points this out and demands some claims be explored

4) he is ignored

5) price goes up all sorts of other clownish things happen

6) suddenly an event occurs that causes some BTC to disappear and the person in question claims no knowledge

7) bluemeanie points this out AGAIN and suddenly

8) he is labeled a criminal and embroiled in controversy


NXT has big problems and it's not due to some developer trying to build a useful feature.

Im not going anywhere, but I'm not going to respond to each and every outlandish accusation.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 06:52:09 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 06:52:18 pm
Yeah we are all sitting here with 20 sock puppets account and make up claims to cover up the scam....

You are delusional. You try to use the hack as an excuse to run off with money yourself. Even more than the hacker did. If you don't return those funds, YOU will be marked as the scammer.

how is sitting here responding to your posts as quickly as I can, offering to chat on skype 'running off with the money'?

meanwhile Cointropolis take a full 24 hours to come up with some story about how a pile of BTC just disappeared down a hole?  you guys aren't even close to believable.

what it really is:  an attempt to turn me into some insane criminal so no one listens to what I have to say about NXT.

they already did this to one person, I guess I'm #2?

-bm


who is #1?  FWIW, personally, I feel john has some personal responsibility of his own here.  not that I can prove anything or force anything, but IMO he should do *something* to make things right with the not-so-bright-people who were scammed.

So what do you propose John do? he is pretty much willing to do everything to clear his name. We had a long ~1hour+ camchat with him (me, tai zen, qbtc and damelon)yesterday and he was not evasive at all. He volunteered all information and was willing to comply with everything asked of him.
Does this prove his innocence? No, but we also have zero evidence of any fault on his part so far, except for a not so complex password.


</admin_hat>
thats just it.  those are my opinions personally Im not going to try to force them on anyone.  If John can live with himself for letting his account get hacked and people losing out big time, and just say "oops sorry guys my bad" and walk on, then I can live with it.  I may not associate myself with him or his company in the future but I can live with it.  why would I associate myself with someones company when they have such weak security and OPSEC in the first place?

thats all Im saying.  and Im kind of surprised that the community as a whole are so willing to just give him a pass.  IMO him and his company should have a huge black eye here and his future here should be treated with caution but Im not chalking this up to sockpuppets im chalking it up to the same reasons people were scammed in the beginning on a too-good-to-be-true deal
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 06:58:49 pm
right, and here I am responding to questions faithfully(and consistently) and Im still seeing these forum messages trying to label me as a scammer.  If youre a real person- WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO SEE HERE?

if you read through the forum threads above, according to the peanut gallery- a scammer because Im a scammer.

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bizz on June 17, 2014, 06:59:19 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm

Yeah, great thing to post from a dev. I'm sure people will trust whatever you will be part of in NXT. I wont.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 06:59:38 pm
James / Bm,

I dont know what is going to happen with this or what is the solution for this issue. As an original investor, i bought 2000 assets at the price ladder of 19nxt each. Can i have my refund pls. Even the description of asset is different? I dont get it mate. I would like to keep things simple.

Thanks.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: mikesbmw on June 17, 2014, 06:59:56 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm
No I'm not.

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af229/mikesbmw/skype_zps512fff3e.png)

When I search for blue.meanie4 this is the one that is found.
Please don't be so hostile...

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 07:00:53 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm
No but why blow up on bct?

What does James have to do with all this? You are conflating two issues. People thought you were walking away with a lot of nxt while you were biting your tongue and watching the show earlier. This is why they thought you were a scammer.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:01:31 pm
thats great mike, meanwhile anyone can confirm that I've had a number of skype conversations in the past hour.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:04:22 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm
No but why blow up on bct?

What does James have to do with all this? You are conflating two issues. People thought you were walking away with a lot of nxt while you were biting your tongue and watching the show earlier. This is why they thought you were a scammer.

no one blew up anything.  Im just expressing my concern for what was going on here.  Some people, who I think are protecting the bad activity just stirred up a sh!tstorm to stop people from listening to me.

that much should be clear and also, this forum is not a good place to determine the truth of anything.  There are expert manipulators on here.  That's why I offered to talk in skype.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:05:13 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm

Yeah, great thing to post from a dev. I'm sure people will trust whatever you will be part of in NXT. I wont.

you would rather the devs not give you their sincere opinion?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Uniqueorn on June 17, 2014, 07:05:28 pm

</admin_hat>
thats just it.  those are my opinions personally Im not going to try to force them on anyone.  If John can live with himself for letting his account get hacked and people losing out big time, and just say "oops sorry guys my bad" and walk on, then I can live with it.  I may not associate myself with him or his company in the future but I can live with it.  why would I associate myself with someones company when they have such weak security and OPSEC in the first place?

thats all Im saying.  and Im kind of surprised that the community as a whole are so willing to just give him a pass.  IMO him and his company should have a huge black eye here and his future here should be treated with caution but Im not chalking this up to sockpuppets im chalking it up to the same reasons people were scammed in the beginning on a too-good-to-be-true deal

I definitely understand your sentiment, we are all in crypto so we are used to being very aware and paranoid of the dangers of having a not so complex password. But according to the login log it didn't seem to be brute force as whoever did it logged in at the third try, so a keylogger is a lot more plausible / someone at the payexpo with access to his Surface while he was being interviewed etc.
John has already said from the beginning of our convo that he will step back, he doesn't have the energy or want anymore to put himself out there like this, something that we all agreed was a good idea and also understandable. He will still be present of course, but just not as a face of NXT.

There will never be a 100% resolvement of this issue I am afraid, it's just one of those situations where we can't prove it either way so there will always be "What if?" "But..." "Maybe.." etc. This sucks, humans suck with uncertainty and it will remain a stain.
But let's assume for the argument that he is 100% innocent, think about how much it sucks to put yourself out there and work yourself like a horse to promote NXT, travel across the ocean to Europe to present NXT and then while on the plane back you get hacked and instead of gratitude you are suddenly a victim of your own work... It would be hell for anyone.

I feel for everyone who lost Bitcoins to this scam, but I feel like people in general should also know better than to just send bitcoins to an adress after only seeing a forum post, not even contacting him on Skype.

Everyone will just have to make up their personal opinion on John and Cointropolis and the only thing we as community member can do is ask questions that we feel needs answering. That's all we can do.

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: mikesbmw on June 17, 2014, 07:08:13 pm
thats great mike, meanwhile anyone can confirm that I've had a number of skype conversations in the past hour.

-bm

Okay, well, I can't see you online.
Tried to be constructive. I'm Dutch, thought you are Dutch too so that would make things easier, but nevermind than.

I'm sorry the things are going the way they are. I really am.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: farl4bit on June 17, 2014, 07:08:56 pm

</admin_hat>
thats just it.  those are my opinions personally Im not going to try to force them on anyone.  If John can live with himself for letting his account get hacked and people losing out big time, and just say "oops sorry guys my bad" and walk on, then I can live with it.  I may not associate myself with him or his company in the future but I can live with it.  why would I associate myself with someones company when they have such weak security and OPSEC in the first place?

thats all Im saying.  and Im kind of surprised that the community as a whole are so willing to just give him a pass.  IMO him and his company should have a huge black eye here and his future here should be treated with caution but Im not chalking this up to sockpuppets im chalking it up to the same reasons people were scammed in the beginning on a too-good-to-be-true deal

I definitely understand your sentiment, we are all in crypto so we are used to being very aware and paranoid of the dangers of having a not so complex password. But according to the login log it didn't seem to be brute force as whoever did it logged in at the third try, so a keylogger is a lot more plausible / someone at the payexpo with access to his Surface while he was being interviewed etc.
John has already said from the beginning of our convo that he will step back, he doesn't have the energy or want anymore to put himself out there like this, something that we all agreed was a good idea and also understandable. He will still be present of course, but just not as a face of NXT.

There will never be a 100% resolvement of this issue I am afraid, it's just one of those situations where we can't prove it either way so there will always be "What if?" "But..." "Maybe.." etc. This sucks, humans suck with uncertainty and it will remain a stain.
But let's assume for the argument that he is 100% innocent, think about how much it sucks to put yourself out there and work yourself like a horse to promote NXT, travel across the ocean to Europe to present NXT and then while on the plane back you get hacked and instead of gratitude you are suddenly a victim of your own work... It would be hell for anyone.

I feel for everyone who lost Bitcoins to this scam, but I feel like people in general should also know better than to just send bitcoins to an adress after only seeing a forum post, not even contacting him on Skype.

Everyone will just have to make up their personal opinion on John and Cointropolis and the only thing we as community member can do is ask questions that we feel needs answering. That's all we can do.



Nice speech Uniqueorn, hope this will end the accusations towards John.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bizz on June 17, 2014, 07:11:24 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm

Yeah, great thing to post from a dev. I'm sure people will trust whatever you will be part of in NXT. I wont.

you would rather the devs not give you their sincere opinion?

-bm

That was no opinion. It was a powerful statement that you don't believe in what you're working on (NXT). Incredibly stupid thing to post unless you mean harm to NXT.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:11:36 pm

</admin_hat>
thats just it.  those are my opinions personally Im not going to try to force them on anyone.  If John can live with himself for letting his account get hacked and people losing out big time, and just say "oops sorry guys my bad" and walk on, then I can live with it.  I may not associate myself with him or his company in the future but I can live with it.  why would I associate myself with someones company when they have such weak security and OPSEC in the first place?

thats all Im saying.  and Im kind of surprised that the community as a whole are so willing to just give him a pass.  IMO him and his company should have a huge black eye here and his future here should be treated with caution but Im not chalking this up to sockpuppets im chalking it up to the same reasons people were scammed in the beginning on a too-good-to-be-true deal

I definitely understand your sentiment, we are all in crypto so we are used to being very aware and paranoid of the dangers of having a not so complex password. But according to the login log it didn't seem to be brute force as whoever did it logged in at the third try, so a keylogger is a lot more plausible / someone at the payexpo with access to his Surface while he was being interviewed etc.
John has already said from the beginning of our convo that he will step back, he doesn't have the energy or want anymore to put himself out there like this, something that we all agreed was a good idea and also understandable. He will still be present of course, but just not as a face of NXT.

There will never be a 100% resolvement of this issue I am afraid, it's just one of those situations where we can't prove it either way so there will always be "What if?" "But..." "Maybe.." etc. This sucks, humans suck with uncertainty and it will remain a stain.
But let's assume for the argument that he is 100% innocent, think about how much it sucks to put yourself out there and work yourself like a horse to promote NXT, travel across the ocean to Europe to present NXT and then while on the plane back you get hacked and instead of gratitude you are suddenly a victim of your own work... It would be hell for anyone.

I feel for everyone who lost Bitcoins to this scam, but I feel like people in general should also know better than to just send bitcoins to an adress after only seeing a forum post, not even contacting him on Skype.

Everyone will just have to make up their personal opinion on John and Cointropolis and the only thing we as community member can do is ask questions that we feel needs answering. That's all we can do.



Nice speech Uniqueorn, hope this will end the accusations towards John.


and let me guess to continue the accusations towards me... 

it should be fairly obvious whats going on here because precisely NOTHING has changed in past day regarding the Virtual Corporations AND, I have been making claims about all this seedy activity going on here.  Can you put 1-and-1 together?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 07:15:15 pm
Hi BM,

I tried to contact you on Skype, but you are offline...

now making up stories!

I am certainly online, just messaged with Wesley and Antanst, among others.  This propaganda machine on this forum is really very extensive.

-bm

I just applauded you. Why do you think Nxt is essentially worthless?


its because of things like this.  I said specifically that is an 'indicator' that it is worthless.  Apparently this is some sort of crime here?

-bm
No but why blow up on bct?

What does James have to do with all this? You are conflating two issues. People thought you were walking away with a lot of nxt while you were biting your tongue and watching the show earlier. This is why they thought you were a scammer.

no one blew up anything.  Im just expressing my concern for what was going on here.  Some people, who I think are protecting the bad activity just stirred up a sh!tstorm to stop people from listening to me.

that much should be clear and also, this forum is not a good place to determine the truth of anything.  There are expert manipulators on here.  That's why I offered to talk in skype.

-bm

You allowed this situation to form by being tight lipped till now.

Again, How is James involved in this?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 07:18:31 pm
is great to see that good developers join the nxt platform.
I think your proposal its a brilliant idea.

thanks for your support!  GUI mockups coming shortly.

also if you want to get involved you can invest in NXTautoDAC (aid:  14347250558295845059).

-bm
Gee, all this shameless plugging of NXTautoDAC, might as well put it in your sig :)

I dont think very many people understand the scope and scale that autoDAC's will have yet. GUI mockups will clarify the possibilities for this summer.  I feel that a large percentage of the real world economy has entrenched interests just sitting on the cashflows and taking a disproportionate amount from the people that are paying for things and from the people that are creating these things.

At the high level, autoDACs should be able to disintermediate and directly connect buyers and sellers and even with signficantly lower fees, the fact that it is automated means profit levels will be comparable to the real world industry it is transforming.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:35:29 pm


You allowed this situation to form by being tight lipped till now.

Again, How is James involved in this?

how is James invovled in this?  I might as well respond to this ridiculous question because I have this window open.

James, to start was the asset issuer.

James was the only one who could have profited from the sale of this asset as I have never sold a single one.

James wrote the description.  James started all of the threads for NXTautoDAC.

to ask such a idiotic rhetorical question just proves your bias here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:36:52 pm
frohlocke,

yes I did promote the investment for a time, but you might notice it acquiesced later on.  I wasn't 100% clear on what exactly James was/would do.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 07:37:49 pm


You allowed this situation to form by being tight lipped till now.

Again, How is James involved in this?

how is James invovled in this?  I might as well respond to this ridiculous question because I have this window open.

James, to start was the asset issuer.

James was the only one who could have profited from the sale of this asset as I have never sold a single one.

James wrote the description.  James started all of the threads for NXTautoDAC.

to ask such a idiotic rhetorical question just proves your bias here.

-bm

Why is all this a bad thing? Who died? As far as I know, the asset is still there. Why do you consider this over?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 07:39:07 pm
and let me guess to continue the accusations towards me... 

it should be fairly obvious whats going on here because precisely NOTHING has changed in past day regarding the Virtual Corporations AND, I have been making claims about all this seedy activity going on here.  Can you put 1-and-1 together?

-bm


did you receive 1 million NXT payment from NXTventure?  if so, are you going to deliver what you promised?  or are you just going to return the funds to the account that sent them to you?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:42:27 pm
and let me guess to continue the accusations towards me... 

it should be fairly obvious whats going on here because precisely NOTHING has changed in past day regarding the Virtual Corporations AND, I have been making claims about all this seedy activity going on here.  Can you put 1-and-1 together?

-bm


did you receive 1 million NXT payment from NXTventure?  if so, are you going to deliver what you promised?  or are you just going to return the funds to the account that sent them to you?

this has nothing to do whatsoever with this community.  If James is going to file some complaint about me for some project he just chose to burn down, then let him do it.

seems there is some confusion between some agreement between me and James, and this community.  There was a community payment of some NXT(worth $1000) that is refundable.  I abide by everything I agreed to do.

99% of the 'problems' here are being created as a response to my criticism of what is happening here on these forums.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 07:49:47 pm
seems there is some confusion between some agreement between me and James, and this community.  There was a community payment of some NXT(worth $1000) that is refundable.  I abide by everything I agreed to do.

99% of the 'problems' here are being created as a response to my criticism of what is happening here on these forums.

-bm


so there are 2 different payments in question?  You refer to some $1000 worth of NXT, but James is claiming that you received 1million NXT from nxtventure.  Regarding this 1million NXT payment, even though he cancelled the project, you feel you are entitled to that full amount?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 17, 2014, 07:52:29 pm

this has nothing to do whatsoever with this community.  If James is going to file some complaint about me for some project he just chose to burn down, then let him do it.

seems there is some confusion between some agreement between me and James, and this community.  There was a community payment of some NXT(worth $1000) that is refundable.  I abide by everything I agreed to do.

99% of the 'problems' here are being created as a response to my criticism of what is happening here on these forums.

-bm
Wow. James is part of this community. If you are going to take his assets and run, then it's pretty much the same as stealing community money.

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:59:32 pm
The only agreement I made with the 'community' was for a very small sum ($1000).  I am willing to accommodate practically any solution to any sort of dissatisfaction regarding that.

the other agreements were between myself and James- who just decided to burn down this project(then he wants the money back?).  If you did buy NxtAutoDAC, you bought it from James.  I have never sold a share for NXT.  James issued this asset with my loginid on it.  I was not entirely happy about this and I made that clear to him.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:00:41 pm

this has nothing to do whatsoever with this community.  If James is going to file some complaint about me for some project he just chose to burn down, then let him do it.

seems there is some confusion between some agreement between me and James, and this community.  There was a community payment of some NXT(worth $1000) that is refundable.  I abide by everything I agreed to do.

99% of the 'problems' here are being created as a response to my criticism of what is happening here on these forums.

-bm
Wow. James is part of this community. If you are going to take his assets and run, then it's pretty much the same as stealing community money.

I never even claimed this project was over.  That was James.

if you own NXTautoDAC, you bought it from James.  I never sold a single share.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 08:06:30 pm
The only agreement I made with the 'community' was for a very small sum ($1000).  I am willing to accommodate practically any solution to any sort of dissatisfaction regarding that.

the other agreements were between myself and James- who just decided to burn down this project(then he wants the money back?).  If you did buy NxtAutoDAC, you bought it from James.  I have never sold a share for NXT.  James issued this asset with my loginid on it.  I was not entirely happy about this and I made that clear to him.

-bm


sounds to me that the right thing to do at this point  is that you should just return the assets to him, regardless of whose "fault" it is.  if you arent going to deliver, you just return the asset; if you have such problems with him now as you claim to have, why on earth do you still posses any of the asset???  your conviction seems to be lacking.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:13:24 pm
Ok I refuse to be accused in this manner.  I have done nothing wrong.  There is fraud happening left and right on this forum, I distanced myself was vocal about it, end of story.  I am not liable to pay to fix what is broken.

I'm no longer concerned with more of these accusations and kangaroo court justice.

Any fool can see what is happening here.  200 BTC disappears down a hole, James is diligently defending who is likely the culprit here, and then suddenly someone else is guilty!  There are scams left and right on here, Im no longer going to address these outlandish anonymous claims from a forum that seems to be incapable of producing anything true.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: yassin54 on June 17, 2014, 08:16:51 pm
 you talk too much everywhere bluemeanie1 !!!!!!!

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Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 17, 2014, 08:18:53 pm
tl;dr has somebody a summary? ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 08:19:45 pm
odd, i thought that in this thread we were discussng nxtautodac and nxtventure and the shares of the asset you received.  was I wrong in thinking that the account hack where ~70BTC was stolen has absolutely nothing to do with this thread?

at this point it seems obvious to me that you are a scammer as well.  regardless of who james wants to defend, the issues mutually exclude themselves and im pretty sure that at this point of the eyes of the community, even the onese that dont have sock puppets, you are found wanting here, scammer
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 17, 2014, 08:20:58 pm
Toxic and delusional. He's trying to burn the place down on his way out the door. Probably because he isn't capable of doing what he was hired to do. This way he gets to keep the money from James and act like a victim at the same time. This is truly disgusting behaviour.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: prometheus on June 17, 2014, 08:23:23 pm
tl;dr has somebody a summary? ;D


Wild emotions cloud rational thinking
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:23:32 pm
odd, i thought that in this thread we were discussng nxtautodac and nxtventure and the shares of the asset you received.  was I wrong in thinking that the account hack where ~70BTC was stolen has absolutely nothing to do with this thread?

yes it's a coincidence that this happened, I point it out, James burns down this project and then accuses me of stealing the investment money.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:24:36 pm
Toxic and delusional. He's trying to burn the place down on his way out the door. Probably because he isn't capable of doing what he was hired to do. This way he gets to keep the money from James and act like a victim at the same time. This is truly disgusting behaviour.

more sockpuppetry.

what happened to the 200 BTC?

this sure is a convenient diversion isn't it?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 17, 2014, 08:26:38 pm
Toxic and delusional. He's trying to burn the place down on his way out the door. Probably because he isn't capable of doing what he was hired to do. This way he gets to keep the money from James and act like a victim at the same time. This is truly disgusting behaviour.

more sockpuppetry.

what happened to the 200 BTC?

this sure is a convenient diversion isn't it?

-bm

Your claims of sockpuppetry are just another strawman to divert attention and leave some doubt in the minds of people who aren't really fully aware of all the facts. I'm happy to be seen on a video chat or whatever to prove I am real .
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 17, 2014, 08:27:01 pm
what did i miss?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 08:27:16 pm
odd, i thought that in this thread we were discussng nxtautodac and nxtventure and the shares of the asset you received.  was I wrong in thinking that the account hack where ~70BTC was stolen has absolutely nothing to do with this thread?

yes it's a coincidence that this happened, I point it out, James burns down this project and then accuses me of stealing the investment money.

-bm


none of that has any bearing on how you now owe back whatever value was given to you, for you not completing the work, regardless of "fault" here.  the bottom line is that you are not going to deliver, so you should return the asset.

and another thing, if you are all 100% innocent here, and on the up and up and level, how about this, why dont you release the PM between you and james where you discussed the asset?  James is claiming in there that you were OK with it.  James has already given clearance so all you have to do it post it.  You are all innocent here, right?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 08:28:37 pm
Toxic and delusional. He's trying to burn the place down on his way out the door. Probably because he isn't capable of doing what he was hired to do. This way he gets to keep the money from James and act like a victim at the same time. This is truly disgusting behaviour.

more sockpuppetry.

what happened to the 200 BTC?

this sure is a convenient diversion isn't it?

-bm


200BTC?  Its been proven that more than half of that was the scammers own BTC.  but regardless, why can you not stay on topic?  you keep deflecting, which is not behavior attributable to someone who is innocent
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 17, 2014, 08:31:49 pm
"I am the good guy, I tried to help but everybody else is evil/sockpuppet, I dont give money back to evil people, I am to good guy, Bye.".

I think it has been quite clear. Something needs to be done.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 17, 2014, 08:34:39 pm
tl;dr has somebody a summary? ;D

Bluemeanie doesn't like some a lot of recent happenings in the Nxt community and wants no more to do with it. He was given 1million Nxt from the sales of the NxtAutoDac asset and now refuses to return them.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 17, 2014, 08:36:23 pm
Wow. Just wow. Check out this link if you had any doubt about this situation and who bluemeanie is.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212841.140

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: farl4bit on June 17, 2014, 08:37:06 pm
tl;dr has somebody a summary? ;D
This will do: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 17, 2014, 08:46:40 pm
Here are my questions:

1. Who issued the asset? Who is keeping the money from the asset sales?

2. What money is james referring to that bm is having the money?

3. What is to become to this asset?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 08:47:48 pm
The only agreement I made with the 'community' was for a very small sum ($1000).  I am willing to accommodate practically any solution to any sort of dissatisfaction regarding that.

the other agreements were between myself and James- who just decided to burn down this project(then he wants the money back?).  If you did buy NxtAutoDAC, you bought it from James.  I have never sold a share for NXT.  James issued this asset with my loginid on it.  I was not entirely happy about this and I made that clear to him.

-bm

How did James burn down the project?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 08:51:50 pm
The only agreement I made with the 'community' was for a very small sum ($1000).  I am willing to accommodate practically any solution to any sort of dissatisfaction regarding that.

the other agreements were between myself and James- who just decided to burn down this project(then he wants the money back?).  If you did buy NxtAutoDAC, you bought it from James.  I have never sold a share for NXT.  James issued this asset with my loginid on it.  I was not entirely happy about this and I made that clear to him.

-bm

How did James burn down the project?


At this point, I dont think that really has much bearing.  all that matters now is that its obvious that OP has no plans on delivering, so he owes those shares back to whoever sent them.

Its obvious hes trying to deflect off on the justabit hack fiasco as "a reason" to keep the shares, which is juvenile; OP is a scammer if you ask me, especially since he's unwilling to prove his complete innocence by releasing the PM.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 17, 2014, 08:57:25 pm

Same procedure as every year?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212841.140 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212841.140)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:58:08 pm
I made a sincere attempt to connect to this community in a place where the image cannot be distorted.

This thread 'skype chat' was immediately moved to 'pub crawl'.  It's clearly obvious that the people running this forum are not interested in uncovering the truth here.  Of course all the 'buzz' about NXT emanates from this place.

again anyone who wants to discuss this issue can contact me on skype.

The Open Transactions thread proves what exactly?  That scammers don't like me around?  that's entirely true.  It's widely accepted at this point that OT was a complete hoax so pointing people to that thread only further supports my case.  It's true- I don't like frauds.

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:59:47 pm
btw- I am not really anonymous many people on the dev team know who I am.

can't say the same for the people raising accusations against me.  I have nothing to hide here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: farl4bit on June 17, 2014, 09:03:43 pm
This thread 'skype chat' was immediately moved to 'pub crawl'.  It's clearly obvious that the people running this forum are not interested in uncovering the truth here.  Of course all the 'buzz' about NXT emanates from this place.
I was just a normal respond from me as moderator to put this in the right place, there were already enough places where you mentioned people can call you on Skype. And it was moved after 2 pages full of posts, not immediately.

There is a redirect to the topic, I put it there so you can find it back, but it's not Nxt-related and not everybody wants to join this misery.

We ONLY want to uncover the truth and we already did IMO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429

Those are facts, or not?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 09:05:03 pm
This thread 'skype chat' was immediately moved to 'pub crawl'.  It's clearly obvious that the people running this forum are not interested in uncovering the truth here.  Of course all the 'buzz' about NXT emanates from this place.
I was just a normal respond from me as moderator to put this in the right place, there were already enough places where you mentioned people can call you on Skype. And it was moved after 2 pages full of posts, not immediately.

There is a redirect to the topic, I put it there so you can find it back, but it's not Nxt-related and not everybody wants to join this misery.

We ONLY want to uncover the truth and we already did IMO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429

Those are facts, or not?

and what do you think this thread says that is of relevance?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 09:05:39 pm
btw- I am not really anonymous many people on the dev team know who I am.

can't say the same for the people raising accusations against me.  I have nothing to hide here.

-bm


if you have nothing to hide then you should have no problems addressing this:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1381.msg47618#msg47618
Quote
none of that has any bearing on how you now owe back whatever value was given to you, for you not completing the work, regardless of "fault" here.  the bottom line is that you are not going to deliver, so you should return the asset.

and another thing, if you are all 100% innocent here, and on the up and up and level, how about this, why dont you release the PM between you and james where you discussed the asset?  James is claiming in there that you were OK with it.  James has already given clearance so all you have to do it post it.  You are all innocent here, right???
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 09:07:17 pm
I am not liable for the damages here.

1) I was not the issuer

2) I never sold a single share nor profited from it

3) I raised several objections about what had been set up

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 17, 2014, 09:10:00 pm
tl;dr has somebody a summary? ;D
This will do: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429

and FBI called
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367997#msg7367997
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7368917#msg7368917

guys, stop wasting your time
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 17, 2014, 09:11:23 pm

working on the issue...  8)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: yassin54 on June 17, 2014, 09:11:39 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429

Man, you are a SCAMMER!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 09:11:50 pm
go ahead, call the FBI.

watch how all these people clear out instantly.

what exactly did I do wrong?  perhaps you'd like to explain?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 09:13:27 pm
I am not liable for the damages here.

1) I was not the issuer

2) I never sold a single share nor profited from it

3) I raised several objections about what had been set up

-bm


I see.  good,  so now you can prove it by releasing the PM between you and jl777 where the description was revealed to you and you told him you didnt like it.  because jl777 is saying that you replied saying you were ok with it.

but all this is besides the fact that you owe those assets back for not delivering.

thats just how it is.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 17, 2014, 09:14:39 pm

what exactly did I do wrong?  perhaps you'd like to explain?

-bm

Perhaps you missed this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 09:21:10 pm
waitaiminit... so, the justabit password hack fiasco BTC account receieved approx 200BTC, about 70 of which was attributable to NXT members, and 130 of which was the scammers own funds?

and the 1 million that our OP here has been accused of cashing out was at the time worth about.... drumroll.... 130 BTC

interesting coincidence.

also interesting is how OP keeps harping on the 200 BTC number, and refuses to acknowledge the fact that we have determined that only about 70BTC worth was stolen from our members here
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 09:21:57 pm
This is good. Really. I will instantly start reading this thread from first page again. This is brilliant…

Have you seen:
http://nxter.org/nxt-newsletter-13/

No mention of vCorps. Much John the Ripper.

CIYAM is mentioned too. Whose side is he on? Is he good or bad bad bad (or a sockpuppet)? … Can't wait to catch up again.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 09:25:19 pm
Hmm I have an even worse feeling about Blueballs1
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 17, 2014, 09:28:57 pm
(http://media1.giphy.com/media/6glYLqOQ3dlok/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Ezravdb on June 17, 2014, 09:30:34 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bitcoinpaul on June 17, 2014, 09:34:32 pm
If anybody wants to read some other stuff:

Annoucement: it's done!

I am happy to announce that the wallet https://wallet.mynxt.info is now running on the client-side encryption code.

We will be posting the source code tomorrow in github.

We will be adding new features during the next few days to allow changing the master password and creating backups of your accounts
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 09:41:16 pm
I don't.

Hmm I have an even worse feeling about Blueballs1

(http://i.imgur.com/DmJrkVU.jpg)

SWIM just skyped me: Bluemeanie is TXTCoinsNow's sockpuppet! The scale of this!   :o :o :o   

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 17, 2014, 09:43:17 pm
 :D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 09:44:25 pm
Boom!

All investors in NXTventure got scammed by BM. NXTventure is a widely held asset and represents the NXT community

NXTventure payment to bm's acct for 1 million NXT 9677367184378728685
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/17375996629400525041
{"asset":"16212446818542881180","comment":"Here is 1% of NXTVenture\r\nThank you for trusting me to do your offering!\r\n\r\nJames","quantityQNT":"10000"}

Lets not confuse the issue guys.

bluemeanie1  is scammer who stole well over 100 BTC (much higher) from Nxt community.

Do we know anything about this scammer real identity?

Maybe someone can set up a bounty to track this scammer down


i have private addresses, phone numbers, mails and skype. were rather easy to find;

if u need confirmed addresses and further details, REMOVED, they have all the details available to share.

infos that can be publicly posted:

REMOVED

REMOVED will not have a slightest chance other than boarding a plane as fast as he can.

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: prometheus on June 17, 2014, 09:46:14 pm
Is legal action actually possible? Obviously there are no laws yet specifically for cryptos, but would nXT be considered property, like bitcoin currently is?


If so...quite a case for transparency.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 17, 2014, 09:47:11 pm
WARNING!

No posting of personal details is allowed!

If we catch anyone doing so, you risk at least a temporary ban!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 09:49:00 pm
WARNING!

No posting of personal details is allowed!

If we catch anyone doing so, you risk at least a temporary ban!

Heard. I was too fast there, sorry and thank you for removing!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 17, 2014, 09:56:42 pm
ok what page of this thread did all this start?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 17, 2014, 10:08:36 pm

SWIM just skyped me: Bluemeanie is TXTCoinsNow's sockpuppet! The scale of this!   :o :o :o   

Who is SWIM?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: instacash on June 17, 2014, 10:10:24 pm

SWIM just skyped me: Bluemeanie is TXTCoinsNow's sockpuppet! The scale of this!   :o :o :o   

Who is SWIM?

Acronym meaning: Someone Who Isn't Me?
fix: someone who I met
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 17, 2014, 10:13:05 pm

SWIM just skyped me: Bluemeanie is TXTCoinsNow's sockpuppet! The scale of this!   :o :o :o   

Who is SWIM?

Acronym meaning: Someone Who Isn't Me?

Oooohhh... Thanks instacash.

Now I feel like an out-of-touch old man.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 17, 2014, 10:13:33 pm
Hang on a sec. who knows lees voice. cos they need to speak to bm to find this out
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: instacash on June 17, 2014, 10:13:59 pm

SWIM just skyped me: Bluemeanie is TXTCoinsNow's sockpuppet! The scale of this!   :o :o :o   

Who is SWIM?

Acronym meaning: Someone Who Isn't Me?

Oooohhh... Thanks instacash.

Now I feel like an out-of-touch old man.

Nooo, I wasn't sure either ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 10:15:14 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 10:21:22 pm
I still don't understand what has supposed to have happened but as has been proved again...

You can't argue with the blockchain
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: gaman on June 17, 2014, 10:22:03 pm
Hi Jl777

Why not continue on with the nxtautodac?  I think you are a very good programmer. 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 17, 2014, 10:24:41 pm
Hi Jl777

Why not continue on with the nxtautodac?  I think you are a very good programmer.

I agree. I bought NXTautoDAC at 19, and I think it will be worth it once the product is completed. I appreciate your reassurance about compensation, but if the product will eventually be created, perhaps it makes sense for us to just hold and be patient.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 17, 2014, 10:26:18 pm
Hang on a sec. who knows lees voice. cos they need to speak to bm to find this out

I spoke to Lee three times today.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on June 17, 2014, 10:26:31 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

Thank you James for doing this.

@BM there are a lot of questions you've conveniently ignored (including this one):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429)

Also, John's thing had nothing to do with you until you kept making illogical statements about how he didn't mention your project at payexpo (he didn't mention many projects, in fact, no one else complained), and then more ranting about the scam and how everyone is defending the scammer (when it looks like John was simply hacked), and then calling NXT worthless, etc. You can see how this behavior is very suspicious, and you brought it upon yourself. Now a million NXT is missing.

People trusted you BM, and you let them down.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 10:28:11 pm
Hi Jl777

Why not continue on with the nxtautodac?  I think you are a very good programmer.
I dont think I will ever be able to think about DACs without being reminded of this. Maybe at some time in the future, but the sooner I can get this unfortunate event behind me, the sooner I can get back to creating cool software.

For now, I just want to get everything squared away and not have to worry about this. Without the 1 million NXT, I wont be able to hire any help for it, so I cannot even estimate how long it will take. I dont think its fair to people who invested to have such a long period of unknown.

I hope you can understand

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 10:34:41 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

Thank you James for doing this.

@BM there are a lot of questions you've conveniently ignored (including this one):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429)

Also, John's thing had nothing to do with you until you kept making illogical statements about how he didn't mention your project at payexpo (he didn't mention many projects, in fact, no one else complained), and then more ranting about the scam and how everyone is defending the scammer (when it looks like John was simply hacked), and then calling NXT worthless, etc. You can see how this behavior is very suspicious, and you brought it upon yourself. Now a million NXT is missing.

People trusted you BM, and you let them down.
It is clear that bm has no ethics, or morality and thinks what he did was perfectly fine. Lets not waste anymore time on a pointless exercise. The sooner we can all get this behind us, the sooner we can get things rolling again. I am learning from Lee's example of just trudging through the big loss.

It is curious to me that all these things are happening right when we should all be very happy about payexpo. Even before payexpo all the games started. I say 80%+ chance it was a coordinated attack on NXT, with personal attack on uniquorn, cointropolis, CfB and myself.

So we must be doing a lot of things right. This all seemed to start when NXT became the cryptocurrency sponsor for payexpo. Coincidence?

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 10:40:04 pm
For people who paid more than today's price of 13 NXT, I will allocate assets at the lowest price ladder for a future NXTventure asset

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 10:41:55 pm
Hang on a sec. who knows lees voice. cos they need to speak to bm to find this out

My bad humor may have been misunderstood. Get this clear:

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A MSG FROM A SWIM (Someone Who I Met).  ;)

It didn't say anything about Bluemeanie. It didn't tell me to add to the paranoia either. But it did. We are not private detectives.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 10:45:47 pm
James I think you need to think closely about what happened here. 

I want all the libelous remarks removed, or there will be real legal problems and I don't think anyone wants that.

I have not gone anywhere, and I have answered every question posed to me instantly and faithfully.

I offered to have a talk on skype- this offer was then subsequently buried in the forums(what does that tell you?).

It's 100% clear that this place is not somewhere for someone to get clarity on a subject, quite the opposite.  Thus, again I invite anyone who wishes to talk about this to Skype where it's not easy to fake identities or voices.  Seems no one wants to do that- I wonder why.  I got exactly ONE nxtAutoDAC investor contact me on there(he spent under 5000 NXT).



James, no one stole 1 million NXT from you.  This wasn't 'community' money.  I even asked you at one point where it came from, what did you say?  You have no right to accuse me of theft.

re. some of the other accusations, these anonymous posters on here are obviously a huge problem.  They managed to create the NEM scam, they managed to steal 200 BTC, and now they are trying to set this project on fire and attack me.  Clearly you cannot trust this forum as a source of information.



-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 10:46:59 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

Thank you James for doing this.

@BM there are a lot of questions you've conveniently ignored (including this one):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429)


wrong again!  responded some time ago:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367623#msg7367623

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 10:51:35 pm
Why you no have Red Solomon acc in your sig? Too busy to change it?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 17, 2014, 10:54:18 pm
It is curious to me that all these things are happening right when we should all be very happy about payexpo. Even before payexpo all the games started. I say 80%+ chance it was a coordinated attack on NXT, with personal attack on uniquorn, cointropolis, CfB and myself.

So we must be doing a lot of things right. This all seemed to start when NXT became the cryptocurrency sponsor for payexpo. Coincidence?

James

I have the same feeling. recall the earlier days when they ddos attacked Nxt network, now they are attacking Nxt community. Some people must think they are seriously threatened by Nxt. Let's strike back by keeping things rolling and turning the threat a reality.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 10:57:32 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/09/recovering-stolen-bitcoin-sheep-marketplace-trading-digital-currency-money
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:04:21 pm
It is curious to me that all these things are happening right when we should all be very happy about payexpo. Even before payexpo all the games started. I say 80%+ chance it was a coordinated attack on NXT, with personal attack on uniquorn, cointropolis, CfB and myself.

So we must be doing a lot of things right. This all seemed to start when NXT became the cryptocurrency sponsor for payexpo. Coincidence?

James

I have the same feeling. recall the earlier days when they ddos attacked Nxt network, now they are attacking Nxt community. Some people must think they are seriously threatened by Nxt. Let's strike back by keeping things rolling and turning the threat a reality.
Exactly!

When someone ends up with an asset encapsulating his work being sold and the same day gets 1 million NXT into his account and I send him a message confirming that I am doing an offering for him and this million NXT goes to BTER and I have PM from him eagerly approving the asset description, but he says I made all the money.

He says he has no obligation to pay anything back and that should show very clearly the type of person he is, he admits he has no ethical standard that 90% of the people here have. I have much less obligation than he does to pay back the million NXT, since he was the one that ended up with it and this is his primary asset. But I have strong sense of doing what is right regardless of what I am obligated to do.

You can all count on that, even if it costs me a million NXT.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 17, 2014, 11:05:50 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

Thank you James for doing this.

@BM there are a lot of questions you've conveniently ignored (including this one):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429)


wrong again!  responded some time ago:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367623#msg7367623

-bm

Are you saying stealing community donations is wrong but stealing community investments is ok? The million you checked out was from NXTventure right?

Edit: posted at the same time  ;D I'm off, testers get to the multisig!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 17, 2014, 11:10:09 pm
May I point out that we know several ambitious young lawyers who would love to make a name for themselves in the crypto world and beyond...?

Establishing a legal precedent for the recovery of stolen/misappropriated crypto funds would look nice on any lawyers CV, and this situation with BM looks very simple and full of lots of recorded evidence. 

So, BM, do you want to get yr ass back to work, or refund the payment you recieved ?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: instacash on June 17, 2014, 11:11:14 pm
May I point out that we know several ambitious young lawyers who would love to make a name for themselves in the crypto world and beyond...?

Establishing a legal precedent for the recovery of stolen/misappropriated crypto funds would look nice on any lawyers CV, and this situation with BM looks very simple and full of lots of recorded evidence. 

So, BM, do you want to get yr ass back to work, or refund the payment you recieved ?

has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 17, 2014, 11:15:06 pm
Are you saying stealing community donations is wrong but stealing community investments is ok? The million you checked out was from NXTventure right?


Mr. Meanie, I think it's simple: You were paid for a job. You did not do that job. Anyone with a sense of fairness and dignity would be incapable of keeping that money. But you hide behind the technical distinction between community donations and investments. Weak. Be a grown man and return what is not rightfully yours.

Edit: I bought 10k worth of NXTautoDAC because it sounds like a very cool project. Someone will code it eventually, and be proud of it.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 17, 2014, 11:17:36 pm
Just throwing this out there but could james and bm maybe have a skype together with another responsible nxter as a neutral. Then report back on what happens. Things might go alot smoother. Clearly tpying on a public forum is not making it easy at all.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:17:48 pm
Quote
When someone ends up with an asset encapsulating his work being sold and the same day gets 1 million NXT into his account and I send him a message confirming that I am doing an offering for him and this million NXT goes to BTER and I have PM from him eagerly approving the asset description, but he says I made all the money.

I have never sold a single share of NXTautoDAC.  I did distribute a few to people who were involved in the project.  Actually James can have most of them back if he likes.  They are still in my possession.  Now if I were looking to 'throw the game' don't you think I would have sold those shares?

Quote
He says he has no obligation to pay anything back and that should show very clearly the type of person he is, he admits he has no ethical standard that 90% of the people here have. I have much less obligation than he does to pay back the million NXT, since he was the one that ended up with it and this is his primary asset. But I have strong sense of doing what is right regardless of what I am obligated to do.

you basically just destroyed the project.  Now I am supposed to pay you back for the damages?

you need to put these accusations to rest.  Once you do that I will attempt to settle things with the TD.  I was planning to develop this open source feature without any of this to begin with!  All I ever ASKED for was $1000 down from the TD and a sum upon delivery.  I realize I may not be able to meet those obligations thus I will seek some kind of arbitration with them.  It was none other than James who overlayed all this NXTautoDAC stuff on top of it.  Fact: I dont even understand what is in the asset descriptor, I raised this with James.  It's in the record.

James just did a series of very stupid things and now he wants someone else to pay for them.

-bm







Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:18:42 pm
May I point out that we know several ambitious young lawyers who would love to make a name for themselves in the crypto world and beyond...?

Establishing a legal precedent for the recovery of stolen/misappropriated crypto funds would look nice on any lawyers CV, and this situation with BM looks very simple and full of lots of recorded evidence. 

So, BM, do you want to get yr ass back to work, or refund the payment you recieved ?

really EVIL DAVE?  I know some lawyers that would love to sink their teeth into this libel case.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 11:19:38 pm
has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?

RickyJames is not a lawyer.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:20:10 pm
Just throwing this out there but could james and bm maybe have a skype together with another responsible nxter as a neutral. Then report back on what happens. Things might go alot smoother. Clearly tpying on a public forum is not making it easy at all.

I already offered to do this.  The thread was relegated to the 'pub crawl' section.  More awesome NXT Justice.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:21:47 pm
has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?

RickyJames is not a lawyer.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Just ask any admin, I have sent the proof to them
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 11:22:26 pm
+1

Waiting for admin to confirm.  :)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 17, 2014, 11:23:20 pm
May I point out that we know several ambitious young lawyers who would love to make a name for themselves in the crypto world and beyond...?

Establishing a legal precedent for the recovery of stolen/misappropriated crypto funds would look nice on any lawyers CV, and this situation with BM looks very simple and full of lots of recorded evidence. 

So, BM, do you want to get yr ass back to work, or refund the payment you recieved ?

really EVIL DAVE?  I know some lawyers that would love to sink their teeth into this libel case.

-bm

Been down this road before and won......so, yeah, bring it on.
BTW: Haven't libelled you yet. I'll use italics when I do, make it easy to spot.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 17, 2014, 11:23:26 pm
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:25:08 pm
has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?

RickyJames is not a lawyer.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Just ask any admin, I have sent the proof to them

more justice behind closed doors.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on June 17, 2014, 11:26:46 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

Thank you James for doing this.

@BM there are a lot of questions you've conveniently ignored (including this one):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367429#msg7367429)


wrong again!  responded some time ago:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7367623#msg7367623

-bm

That response said nothing. 1,000,000 NXT is worth more than "15k". Where is the rest of the NXT?
Also, James is saying you agreed to the asset and whatever, so there are are some contradictory points there too - who is telling the truth?

Also, no one destroyed your project but yourself. It was only after I saw your antics I rushed to sell my AutoDAC assets... but the price was already 2 NXT by then.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:28:01 pm
EvilDave,  I've got nothing to hide here.  Looks like you'll have to drag a few dozen people out their little anonymity hideout while you're at it.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 17, 2014, 11:28:47 pm
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.

CfA...what brings u here, old chap?
Feds and lawyers and libel.....mmm, this is racking up. Looks like BM is in to bat....
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 11:28:56 pm
has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?

RickyJames is not a lawyer.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Just ask any admin, I have sent the proof to them

more justice behind closed doors.

-bm


well then why dont you set the record straight and post the PM that you sent to james when he messaged you the description of the asset?  James has already agreed to this release.

But you just cant bring yourself to do it can you?

anyone who can read can see you've ignored the multiple requests that you do this
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 17, 2014, 11:30:23 pm
BM...if you have nothing to hide....post the PM

ha ha...BM...PM....no? oh, never mind.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:32:07 pm
has this story come to rickyjames attention yet?

RickyJames is not a lawyer.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Just ask any admin, I have sent the proof to them

more justice behind closed doors.

-bm
Is this your way of granting permission for me to post the PM where you approved the asset description?
it wouldnt be behind closed doors then
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:33:35 pm
again I have nothing to hide here whatsoever.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 17, 2014, 11:33:38 pm
Just do it  one of you post the pm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Mexxer on June 17, 2014, 11:34:10 pm
BM...if you have nothing to hide....post the PM

ha ha...BM...PM....no? oh, never mind.

This.

The PM's are the proof of what happened. You said you have nothing to hide. Just post them for everyone to see.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 17, 2014, 11:34:18 pm
If you both agree to post the PMs, go ahead.

Also, i repeat once again: NO personal details like names etc are allowed to be posted.
No addresses, no emails without express permission.

Edit:

again I have nothing to hide here whatsoever.

-bm

Is this your way of granting permission for me to post the PM where you approved the asset description?
it wouldnt be behind closed doors then

Permission has been given by both parties.
Feel free to post the PMs.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 11:36:00 pm
ok guys at this point hes apparently not only a scammer, but trolling.  im confident now that the community has seen the multiple requests for him to post the PM.  so im out until he does
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:38:21 pm
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Quote from: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 05:24:24 am
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm


Quote from: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 04:31:29 am
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 03:49:11 am
I do have some ideas... but would rather not share them with the admins of this forum(i dont even know who they are).

pls txt me on skype.

thanks -bm

NXTautoDAC
NXTventure is proud to issue assets that represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. The only operating costs are development costs.

Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to the automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs

Please follow updates on the NXTventure section of the NXT forum for updates
*****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
Then just post in the forum, hold poll for most in demand DAC to determine order of dev
Welcome to the NXT millionaires club!
It will be like in the real world. At first there was the aristocracy who inherited wealth (current founders), but since they didnt have to work or get any useful skills, they soon lost it all and the industrious clever guys dominated.

You are one of those clever guys :)

James

P.S. will send NXT and assets within the hour. Please confirm the address 11274042109288826540



yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm

Report To Admin
msg or donate: NXT account @BlueMeanie or 11274042109288826540

"a drink offering for Min..."
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 17, 2014, 11:42:15 pm
more justice behind closed doors.

-bm


No sir, Nxt is open like Hell.

I've been here a long time, I don't believe everybody involved here (from BCT) has the patience to scam me and kick off such a conspiracy.
Even if, why now, what a bad payout pr hour spent with Nxt.

So everyone you can stop listening to bm, I can confirm it is all nonsense, FUD, lies, etc. I have proof for anybody that wants to see it.

Lets move on. Nothing more to see.

James

Of course we want to see it.
Or have it confirmed by a trusted 3rd party, that we choose from this decentralized community. We want this case solved.
Just ask any admin, I have sent the proof to them

Still waiting for admin to confirm.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:42:34 pm
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm



Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:44:28 pm
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:50:02 pm
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 17, 2014, 11:51:12 pm
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
But you were apparently quite happy to take the cash for working on something you didn't even understand ?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:52:40 pm
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 17, 2014, 11:53:39 pm
Oh. My. This is better than television right here.

fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
But you were apparently quite happy to take the cash for working on something you didn't even understand ?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 17, 2014, 11:55:37 pm
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm


uhmmm.  uhhh... the phrase "The following is the asset description:" is what would refer to as a "clue"
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:56:41 pm
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
Since the asset description cant be changed we agreed to review it before submitting. This was by skype which you always insist on, I guess cuts down on the evidence against you that you have to deal with.

from the email where you agreed to receive payment:

****
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm
****

and to make sure that you are not surprised where the money came from:

****

yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm
****

Now when somebody tells me they are "100% on board", confirms the address get funds and confirms it again with "glad to be on board!" all sandwiched around the asset description and the description of cashflow and assets:

****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
****

Well, usually when that happens I dont interpret it as "I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying"

So here is clear proof that you knew what the asset was, you agreed to the terms, you accepted the funds. All the things you denied earlier.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 17, 2014, 11:57:27 pm
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
But you were apparently quite happy to take the cash for working on something you didn't even understand ?


I did raise this with James, and even a few others.  James misunderstood the feature(I think he still does).  There was no point in emphasizing this fact at the time and we did discuss porting over the asset to a new ID(and descriptor) on release.  I did raise this with a few people to get some feedback, and the consensus seemed to be to let it along until we release so as not to cause damage to the equity.  Part of the problem here was that this asset was issued within days of the AE release.  There was a lot of confusion.  I can't be held liable for that.

There are others on this forum who were aware of this and they may choose to come forward.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 17, 2014, 11:57:44 pm
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 12:00:49 am
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
But you were apparently quite happy to take the cash for working on something you didn't even understand ?


I did raise this with James, and even a few others.  James misunderstood the feature(I think he still does).  There was no point in emphasizing this fact at the time and we did discuss porting over the asset to a new ID(and descriptor) on release.  I did raise this with a few people to get some feedback, and the consensus seemed to be to let it along until we release so as not to cause damage to the equity.  Part of the problem here was that this asset was issued within days of the AE release.  There was a lot of confusion.  I can't be held liable for that.

There are others on this forum who were aware of this and they may choose to come forward.

-bm


and this is the basis of your refusal to return the assets????
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:01:41 am
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
Since the asset description cant be changed we agreed to review it before submitting. This was by skype which you always insist on, I guess cuts down on the evidence against you that you have to deal with.

from the email where you agreed to receive payment:

****
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm
****

and to make sure that you are not surprised where the money came from:

****

yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm
****

Now when somebody tells me they are "100% on board", confirms the address get funds and confirms it again with "glad to be on board!" all sandwiched around the asset description and the description of cashflow and assets:

****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
****

Well, usually when that happens I dont interpret it as "I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying"

So here is clear proof that you knew what the asset was, you agreed to the terms, you accepted the funds. All the things you denied earlier.

James

Your snippets do not prove any of your claims.  But strangely none of the points that I raise seem to be admissible in this court.  Such as: I never sold a share, you did(what happened to THAT money?).  It comes down to a sum of roughly $15k, which you feel should be refundable because you just burned down the project.

Do you want the NXTautoDAC shares? 

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 18, 2014, 12:03:19 am
Tbh bm if you were paid upfront for completing a job and you havnt or chosen not to continue you should return the payments
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:03:46 am
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
But you were apparently quite happy to take the cash for working on something you didn't even understand ?


I did raise this with James, and even a few others.  James misunderstood the feature(I think he still does).  There was no point in emphasizing this fact at the time and we did discuss porting over the asset to a new ID(and descriptor) on release.  I did raise this with a few people to get some feedback, and the consensus seemed to be to let it along until we release so as not to cause damage to the equity.  Part of the problem here was that this asset was issued within days of the AE release.  There was a lot of confusion.  I can't be held liable for that.

There are others on this forum who were aware of this and they may choose to come forward.

-bm
The first time I heard you mention anything about this was a few weeks ago. Well AFTER the asset was issued.

How is that relevant at all?

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: instacash on June 18, 2014, 12:04:26 am
I am 100% on board with this.

There was a lot of confusion.  I can't be held liable for that.

Sounds legit, lol.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:05:51 am
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm


uhmmm.  uhhh... the phrase "The following is the asset description:" is what would refer to as a "clue"

""The following is the asset description:"" was not part of the message, James just added that here.

James is clearly 'in contempt of court' here and trying to manipulate the jury by confusing the matter.  James never stated plainly, *this is what is going in the asset descriptor*.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 18, 2014, 12:07:21 am
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm

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Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm


Quote from: jl777 on May 15, 2014, 04:31:29 am
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 03:49:11 am
I do have some ideas... but would rather not share them with the admins of this forum(i dont even know who they are).

pls txt me on skype.

thanks -bm

NXTautoDAC
NXTventure is proud to issue assets that represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. The only operating costs are development costs.

Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to the automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs

Please follow updates on the NXTventure section of the NXT forum for updates
*****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
Then just post in the forum, hold poll for most in demand DAC to determine order of dev
Welcome to the NXT millionaires club!
It will be like in the real world. At first there was the aristocracy who inherited wealth (current founders), but since they didnt have to work or get any useful skills, they soon lost it all and the industrious clever guys dominated.

You are one of those clever guys :)

James

P.S. will send NXT and assets within the hour. Please confirm the address 11274042109288826540



yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm

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Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 18, 2014, 12:10:59 am
but still you are saying you are not paying the funds back because you didnt get the asset description? as if you were "tricked" into joining and acepting payments?.. You need to return the funds.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:11:48 am
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
Since the asset description cant be changed we agreed to review it before submitting. This was by skype which you always insist on, I guess cuts down on the evidence against you that you have to deal with.

from the email where you agreed to receive payment:

****
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm
****

and to make sure that you are not surprised where the money came from:

****

yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm
****

Now when somebody tells me they are "100% on board", confirms the address get funds and confirms it again with "glad to be on board!" all sandwiched around the asset description and the description of cashflow and assets:

****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
****

Well, usually when that happens I dont interpret it as "I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying"

So here is clear proof that you knew what the asset was, you agreed to the terms, you accepted the funds. All the things you denied earlier.

James

Your snippets do not prove any of your claims.  But strangely none of the points that I raise seem to be admissible in this court.  Such as: I never sold a share, you did(what happened to THAT money?).  It comes down to a sum of roughly $15k, which you feel should be refundable because you just burned down the project.

Do you want the NXTautoDAC shares? 

-bm
1 million NXT is what you received from investors. Not $15K USD. Are you saying that you planned this from the beginning? You intentionally didnt sell any assets because you knew that you would use this flimsy defense?
Well I have some news for you. If you look at the cashflow and asset flow, you ended up with 300000 assets and 1 million NXT and NXTventure got 450000 assets. This asset is based around what you promised to do, a description you signed off on, and pretty much everybody would interpret that as you sold assets for 1 million NXT

I want you to refund to investors because that is the right thing to do. You know it is, so does everybody else.

James

Edit: "THAT" money you refer to I raised is where the 1 million NXT came from. Happened the same day
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:17:21 am
Code: [Select]
[quote]
NXTautoDAC
NXTventure is proud to issue assets that represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. The only operating costs are development costs.

Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to the automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs

Please follow updates on the NXTventure section of the NXT forum for updates
*****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
Then just post in the forum, hold poll for most in demand DAC to determine order of dev[/quote]


that is the original message that James.  no where did James write "here is the asset descriptor:"

thus he has not proven his case.  He has proven his willingness to distort evidence to support his claims.

this clearly isn't a court of justice, anyone could tell that weeks ago.  I refuse to acknowledge anonymous accusations that are totally inadmissible.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:18:35 am
where does it say that this is what is going into the asset descriptor?

-bm
The following is the asset description:
NXTautoDAC assets represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. Development costs will be funded by the remaining 25% of revenues. Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to their automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base. The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs Please follow updates on the NXTventure section


nice try James.  No where do you state that this paragraph(which had little meaning at the time- and still does) is going into the AE asset description.  Nice touch with other cut and pastes.  Should I stoop to your level and pick out little tidbits from our past discussions?

-bm


uhmmm.  uhhh... the phrase "The following is the asset description:" is what would refer to as a "clue"

""The following is the asset description:"" was not part of the message, James just added that here.

James is clearly 'in contempt of court' here and trying to manipulate the jury by confusing the matter.  James never stated plainly, *this is what is going in the asset descriptor*.

-bm
I said that on skype. You knew there had to be an asset description to issue the asset. are you denying this?
In skype I said I would PM you the asset description for your review and approval

Are you saying you thought I just sent you all that NXT on a whim? What exactly was all that asset description text? Why did you say you were 100% onboard.

James

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 18, 2014, 12:19:36 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: verdun2003 on June 18, 2014, 12:20:34 am
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Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:22:07 am
fact is, I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying.  I had discussed this with many people.  They can confirm this.  Now why would I agree to be part of some company where I don't even understand the descriptor?

Also I did raise this with James, so it's not like I'm making this claim up right now.

-bm
Since the asset description cant be changed we agreed to review it before submitting. This was by skype which you always insist on, I guess cuts down on the evidence against you that you have to deal with.

from the email where you agreed to receive payment:

****
Quote from: bluemeanie1 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:25 am

ok if what were talking about here is a way to monetize my work with DACs on NXT I am 100% on board with this.

-bm
****

and to make sure that you are not surprised where the money came from:

****

yes that's correct: 11274042109288826540

glad to be on board!   also: good analogy.  :)

-bm
****

Now when somebody tells me they are "100% on board", confirms the address get funds and confirms it again with "glad to be on board!" all sandwiched around the asset description and the description of cashflow and assets:

****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
****

Well, usually when that happens I dont interpret it as "I don't understand what the descriptor is actually saying"

So here is clear proof that you knew what the asset was, you agreed to the terms, you accepted the funds. All the things you denied earlier.

James

Your snippets do not prove any of your claims.  But strangely none of the points that I raise seem to be admissible in this court.  Such as: I never sold a share, you did(what happened to THAT money?).  It comes down to a sum of roughly $15k, which you feel should be refundable because you just burned down the project.

Do you want the NXTautoDAC shares? 

-bm
1 million NXT is what you received from investors. Not $15K USD. Are you saying that you planned this from the beginning? You intentionally didnt sell any assets because you knew that you would use this flimsy defense?

Youre now claiming that I didn't sell any simply so I could plan this whole thing out?   Nice try.  I didn't sell any because I wasn't clear on what the the whole thing is about.  I wasn't comfortable selling something I didn't completely understand, even though I could have profited personally.  The fact remains, I never sold a single share, even though I probably could have netted much more than a million NXT.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:22:44 am
Code: [Select]
[quote]
NXTautoDAC
NXTventure is proud to issue assets that represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. The only operating costs are development costs.

Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to the automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs

Please follow updates on the NXTventure section of the NXT forum for updates
*****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
Then just post in the forum, hold poll for most in demand DAC to determine order of dev[/quote]


that is the original message that James.  no where did James write "here is the asset descriptor:"

thus he has not proven his case.  He has proven his willingness to distort evidence to support his claims.

this clearly isn't a court of justice, anyone could tell that weeks ago.  I refuse to acknowledge anonymous accusations that are totally inadmissible.

-bm
so you are saying that because "here is the asset descriptor" is not there that makes is OK to do what you are doing?
what exactly did you think it was?

you keep saying you didnt know it was the asset description, so where did you think the money was coming from? what else could that paragraph be?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 18, 2014, 12:23:59 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:24:14 am
James, I asked you where the money came from- didn't I?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 18, 2014, 12:24:31 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

That too :)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:25:10 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

you're dealing with an honest person here who makes most of the people on this forum confused.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Conurtrol on June 18, 2014, 12:25:48 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

you're dealing with an honest person here who makes most of the people on this forum confused.

-bm

lol
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Mexxer on June 18, 2014, 12:25:56 am
You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:26:39 am
Code: [Select]
[quote]
NXTautoDAC
NXTventure is proud to issue assets that represent .0001% of revenues from the family of autoDACs that bluemeanie1 and his team will create. NXTventure has made a private investment and assetized 75% of revenues. The only operating costs are development costs.

Once deployed the automatic Digital Autonomous Corporations will continue to operate in an open and transparent manner with transactions enforced by the NXT blockchain. Due to the automated nature the fees charged to people can be dramatically less than real world equivalents. The much lower fees are expected to entice enough people to try this new technology and thus increasing the customer base.

The ability to easily utilize autoDACs will be integrated into NXTservices and this will encourage adoption. While autoDAC's have a tremendous potential, it is still in its infancy and it is expected that it will take a while for people to become comfortable with using autoDACs

Please follow updates on the NXTventure section of the NXT forum for updates
*****
So a total of 750,000 assets
you get 25% of revenue stream, 1 million NXT upfront and 300,000 assets
Then just post in the forum, hold poll for most in demand DAC to determine order of dev[/quote]


that is the original message that James.  no where did James write "here is the asset descriptor:"

thus he has not proven his case.  He has proven his willingness to distort evidence to support his claims.

this clearly isn't a court of justice, anyone could tell that weeks ago.  I refuse to acknowledge anonymous accusations that are totally inadmissible.

-bm
By the way
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtautodac-all-of-bluemeanie's-automated-profit-making-blockchain-companies/msg47786/#msg47786

That post, where I say this is the asset description. That was not the PM, that is the asset description that I cut and paste and I annotated it so you would know what it is.

If you look at the original PM I posted, that line is not there and I think there are a few minor formatting differences. In the post of the PM, that is the post of the PM. In the link at the top of this post that is the actual asset description

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:28:18 am

That post, where I say this is the asset description. That was not the PM, that is the asset description that I cut and paste and I annotated it so you would know what it is.

If you look at the original PM I posted, that line is not there and I think there are a few minor formatting differences. In the post of the PM, that is the post of the PM. In the link at the top of this post that is the actual asset description

James

so youre admitting that you added the 'this is the asset descriptor' part.

it's called Tampering With Evidence.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 12:29:22 am
Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:31:29 am
You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)

Of course the solution is: make me pay for it.

I'm not paying for this wreckage.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:31:57 am
James, I asked you where the money came from- didn't I?

-bm
The money went to you. The money came from investors. I dont have the exact figures, but I think NXTventure might have netted 100,000 NXT or so. Since I was doing the offering for you as documented in the txid 17375996629400525041, this was fine with me.

NXTventure payment to bm's acct for 1 million NXT 9677367184378728685
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/17375996629400525041
{"asset":"16212446818542881180","comment":"Here is 1% of NXTVenture\r\nThank you for trusting me to do your offering!\r\n\r\nJames","quantityQNT":"10000"}

The PM shows you accepted the terms. Case closed

Now that the facts are in, the only question is if you have the integrity and ethics to do what is right.
Or you can hide behind technicalities or maybe I didnt use the right punctuation, maybe thats enough to justify you keeping a million NXT?

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on June 18, 2014, 12:32:10 am
You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)

Of course the solution is: make me pay for it.

I'm not paying for this wreckage.

-bm

You're the one that has the 1 mil NXT.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 18, 2014, 12:32:48 am
you wouldnt be paying anything you would be returning.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 12:33:43 am
That is like crashing your vehicle and then saying,"I'm not paying for that wreckage!"

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)

Of course the solution is: make me pay for it.

I'm not paying for this wreckage.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 18, 2014, 12:33:48 am
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.

sorry, i forgot it is against forum rules to post personal information. for more information please navigate over to Bitcointalk

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7371454#msg7371454

CfA
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 18, 2014, 12:34:27 am
To me, the whole thing is quite clear, and it's also very clear that the community is wasting time with bm. The meaningless debate can be stopped.
If bm will not pay back the money, this has to be solved in an another way, legal issues
his identity is already known.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 18, 2014, 12:34:36 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

you're dealing with an honest person here who makes most of the people on this forum confused.

-bm

So, lets try the honest person approach: could you please refund all/most of the payment you recieved for work on James' projects ?
 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:35:00 am
The issue of confusing asset descriptors and why I didn't have it changed was exactly because I feared this would happen.  Clearly James didn't think to settle with me before causing a huge problem and major damage to the company equity.  The best thing he could have done, given his perspective on this was to work with me on a settlement.  He never approached me about that.  The damage was all due to James.  He could have easily recovered most of the stock value.

-bm


Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:35:47 am

That post, where I say this is the asset description. That was not the PM, that is the asset description that I cut and paste and I annotated it so you would know what it is.

If you look at the original PM I posted, that line is not there and I think there are a few minor formatting differences. In the post of the PM, that is the post of the PM. In the link at the top of this post that is the actual asset description

James

so youre admitting that you added the 'this is the asset descriptor' part.

it's called Tampering With Evidence.

-bm
Look at the PM I posted, it does not have that line.
That post I made was to show what the asset description is. I guess I could have just made a post out of the asset description, but I felt I should annotate it. I never claimed that post was the PM. I claimed that post as the asset description.
The one with the handles and dates and stuff, that was the PM. Oh, thank you for confirming to everbody that you did infact receive the asset description.

So there is no doubt that you received it. It matches the actual asset description. Oh, so you are claiming that the PM with the asset description that you posted was so confusing you didnt even know it was an asset description.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:38:14 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

you're dealing with an honest person here who makes most of the people on this forum confused.

-bm

So, lets try the honest person approach: could you please refund all/most of the payment you recieved for work on James' projects ?

The money was spent.  It was roughly 15k USD.  These damages are not my liability.

If you are a shareholder, you purchased these shares from James, not me.

-bm

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:40:10 am
Look at the PM I posted, it does not have that line.
That post I made was to show what the asset description is. I guess I could have just made a post out of the asset description, but I felt I should annotate it. I never claimed that post was the PM. I claimed that post as the asset description.
The one with the handles and dates and stuff, that was the PM. Oh, thank you for confirming to everbody that you did infact receive the asset description.

So there is no doubt that you received it. It matches the actual asset description. Oh, so you are claiming that the PM with the asset description that you posted was so confusing you didnt even know it was an asset description.

James

now youre claiming you didnt tamper with the PM?  because you did.  It's all in the record.

yes I had no idea what this paragraph was.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 12:41:12 am
Settle? Settlement?  WHAT? You get paid a million NXT and revenue sharing and significant assets for work you refuse to perform as previously agreed upon. Now you think you are owed a settlement?

The issue of confusing asset descriptors and why I didn't have it changed was exactly because I feared this would happen.  Clearly James didn't think to settle with me before causing a huge problem and major damage to the company equity.  The best thing he could have done, given his perspective on this was to work with me on a settlement.  He never approached me about that.  The damage was all due to James.  He could have easily recovered most of the stock value.

-bm


Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 18, 2014, 12:42:34 am
Mean while some guy needs help with a unbuntu client

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-how-to-help/client-1-1-4-on-ec2-ubuntu/msg47828/?topicseen#msg47828
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: verdun2003 on June 18, 2014, 12:42:50 am
We are dealing with a highly intelligent narcissistic sociopath here. He is really enjoying this back-and-forth as he thinks it shows his superior intelligence and also gives him the attention he craves so much. He will never admit the obvious truth of his deception because that would be like admitting that the group here is smarter than him. Plus he wants to keep the money, of course.
He's a complete buttmonkey in my humble opinion.

you're dealing with an honest person here who makes most of the people on this forum confused.

-bm

So, lets try the honest person approach: could you please refund all/most of the payment you recieved for work on James' projects ?

"So, lets try the honest person approach: could you please refund all/most of the payment you recieved for non-work on James' projects ?"

Ah, sounds much better now
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:43:07 am
I did not quit the project.

-bm


Settle? Settlement?  WHAT? You get paid a million NXT and revenue sharing and significant assets for work you refuse to perform as previously agreed upon. Now you think you are owed a settlement?

The issue of confusing asset descriptors and why I didn't have it changed was exactly because I feared this would happen.  Clearly James didn't think to settle with me before causing a huge problem and major damage to the company equity.  The best thing he could have done, given his perspective on this was to work with me on a settlement.  He never approached me about that.  The damage was all due to James.  He could have easily recovered most of the stock value.

-bm


Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: slothbag on June 18, 2014, 12:43:46 am
Moral of the story, don't pay people upfront.. especially newbie assholes!

It doesn't look like BM intends to pay it back.. chalk this one up as an expensive lesson learned.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 18, 2014, 12:45:22 am
bm?

I made no killing whatsoever.

money was transfered to me.  It was worth roughly 15k.  As you may know NXT doesnt exactly buy much of anything tangible, thus Bter.  

as far as I knew- the TD had made a payment to me for support of the project(it was at the time $1000 worth of NXT).  That was the sum total of 'community involvement'.  I am willing to refund this money.  

Just quoting numbers here:

Approx price of Nxt on 02-06 $ 0.05.
After that day, it only went up.

So 1 million on thát day was around $ 50,000, not $ 15,000.

That is quite a gap of $ 35,000.

Unless there is still Nxt on Bter, that is of course possible.


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 12:46:34 am
Yeah, well tell that to the NxtAutoDAC Asset holders you personally hosed today with your antics and complete lack of fiduciary responsibility.


I did not quit the project.

-bm


Settle? Settlement?  WHAT? You get paid a million NXT and revenue sharing and significant assets for work you refuse to perform as previously agreed upon. Now you think you are owed a settlement?

The issue of confusing asset descriptors and why I didn't have it changed was exactly because I feared this would happen.  Clearly James didn't think to settle with me before causing a huge problem and major damage to the company equity.  The best thing he could have done, given his perspective on this was to work with me on a settlement.  He never approached me about that.  The damage was all due to James.  He could have easily recovered most of the stock value.

-bm


Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 18, 2014, 12:50:56 am
I did not quit the project.

-bm

This is interesting, bm will work for the project forever before it's done so he does not need to pay back.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:51:10 am
Moral of the story, don't pay people upfront.. especially newbie assholes!

It doesn't look like BM intends to pay it back.. chalk this one up as an expensive lesson learned.

James created a big mess with my name on it.

I can't be held liable to clean it up.  Im not skipping town or going anywhere.  Im responding to each and every one of your claims with credible, reliable, consistent statements.  I offered to speak on skype.  So far, James has come forth with tampered evidence, unclear claims, and other sorts of material I can't really categorize.  James is anonymous, I am not.  He can say whatever he likes with no consequence, and this goes for most of the participants in this thread.

I did attempt to clean this up and save the day, but James ultimately lost his temper and ... well this.  I suspect it might have something to do with the other problems that are emerging, but strictly that is a suspicion.  There are others who I shared these views with and they may come forward if they wish.  Thus none of this was just me, problems were identified and I did look for council on how to fix it.  Ultimately I think James is to blame for sloppiness here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 12:52:15 am
I did not quit the project.

-bm

This is interesting, bm will work for the project forever before it's done so he does not need to pay back.

Would like to add for a project that he does not understand ;).
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:53:56 am
Yeah, well tell that to the NxtAutoDAC Asset holders you personally hosed today with your antics and complete lack of fiduciary responsibility.

I have no fiduciary responsibility. 

1) I did not issue the asset

2) I did not sell anyone the asset.

It simply had my login name on it, which I protested.  I decided not to make this protest public in order to preserve shareholder equity.  This thread is my reward.

It was these obvious issues that were emerging which inspired me to try and start such standards with the AE.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 12:55:44 am
I did not quit the project.

-bm

This is interesting, bm will work for the project forever before it's done so he does not need to pay back.

Would like to add for a project that he does not understand ;).

I understand the project.  James didn't, but unfortunately he wrote the asset descriptor and also promoted the asset for a time.  I was somewhat participating in that for a time, when I started to see issues and just concentrated on the technology.  I was hoping this equity could be used to make a really great thing for NXT and the community.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on June 18, 2014, 12:56:32 am
Moral of the story, don't pay people upfront.. especially newbie assholes!

It doesn't look like BM intends to pay it back.. chalk this one up as an expensive lesson learned.

James created a big mess with my name on it.

I can't be held liable to clean it up.  Im not skipping town or going anywhere.  Im responding to each and every one of your claims with credible, reliable, consistent statements.  I offered to speak on skype.  So far, James has come forth with tampered evidence, unclear claims, and other sorts of material I can't really categorize.  James is anonymous, I am not.  He can say whatever he likes with no consequence, and this goes for most of the participants in this thread.

I did attempt to clean this up and save the day, but James ultimately lost his temper and ... well this.  I suspect it might have something to do with the other problems that are emerging, but strictly that is a suspicion.  There are others who I shared these views with and they may come forward if they wish.  Thus none of this was just me, problems were identified and I did look for council on how to fix it.  Ultimately I think James is to blame for sloppiness here.

-bm

::)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: JayM on June 18, 2014, 12:56:53 am
Hi, I'm Jay and I came here from Bitcointalk.

Just letting you guys know that me and my brothers are going to pay REMOVED a visit tonight/tomorrow. I reside near REMOVED which is not too far from Mr. REMOVED . I read this post with his address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7371636#msg7371636).

I am not a fan of the police as I like to take care of things on my own.  Will report back.

Jay
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 12:57:58 am
I did not quit the project.

-bm


Settle? Settlement?  WHAT? You get paid a million NXT and revenue sharing and significant assets for work you refuse to perform as previously agreed upon. Now you think you are owed a settlement?

The issue of confusing asset descriptors and why I didn't have it changed was exactly because I feared this would happen.  Clearly James didn't think to settle with me before causing a huge problem and major damage to the company equity.  The best thing he could have done, given his perspective on this was to work with me on a settlement.  He never approached me about that.  The damage was all due to James.  He could have easily recovered most of the stock value.

-bm


Way to crater the price of NxtAutoDAC bm.

You keep repeating you didn't sell any of the assets.

As far as I understand it it's not about the assets you received. It's about the 1m NXT you received. Did you or did you not sell those 1m NXT? And if you didn't, you should return it immediately! (along with the assets of course)
the part in red I just wrote. The URL is where I cut and paste the following resignation text. This line is also typed by me and not part of your post or the red letters. I hope that is clear enough for you. Should I find the dozen or so other similar type of posts?
One of your many public posts that means you quit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7365532#msg7365532
unfortunately the sock puppet army is out in full effect right now.

just to give you an example, there was never a community payment of 1 million nxt.  I already claimed that I would be willing to refund(at my own cost) the payment from the Technical Development Committee. 

The fact is that I simply cannot be around these criminals.  Clearly a theft took place, and many deceptions aimed at robbing people of their money and I simply wont be a part of it.  I don't care if I am dirt poor as a consequence.  It's wrong.  It's unethical.

earlier in this thread, Evil Dave made an excuse for the theft of 1/4 million dollars.  I just couldn't stomach that at all.  This was some clueless kid's life savings no doubt.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 12:59:44 am
bm you agreed to work on NxtAutoDAC, then reneged. As a major holder of the NxtAutoDAC asset and insider and lead dev for NxtAutoDAC; you better believe you have fiduciary responsibility.

Yeah, well tell that to the NxtAutoDAC Asset holders you personally hosed today with your antics and complete lack of fiduciary responsibility.

I have no fiduciary responsibility. 

1) I did not issue the asset

2) I did not sell anyone the asset.

It simply had my login name on it, which I protested.  I decided not to make this protest public in order to preserve shareholder equity.  This thread is my reward.

It was these obvious issues that were emerging which inspired me to try and start such standards with the AE.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 18, 2014, 01:01:22 am
Hi, I'm Jay and I came here from Bitcointalk.

Just letting you guys know that me and my brothers are going to pay  REMOVED a visit tonight/tomorrow. I reside near REMOVED  which is not too far from Mr. REMOVED. I read this post with his address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7371636#msg7371636).

I am not a fan of the police as I like to take care of things on my own.  Will report back.

Jay

Just let you know, the forum rules do not allow you post like this, you may be banned later.   ;)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 01:02:01 am
Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:03:21 am
I agree to build software to the Tech Dev committee.

James issues shares, sends me a payment, then sells the shares.  I sell none of them.

Suddenly I am responsible for everyone who is unhappy here.  There is a guy here who might have screwed you and it isn't me.

-bm


bm you agreed to work on NxtAutoDAC, then reneged. As a major holder of the NxtAutoDAC asset and insider and lead dev for NxtAutoDAC; you better believe you have fiduciary responsibility.

Yeah, well tell that to the NxtAutoDAC Asset holders you personally hosed today with your antics and complete lack of fiduciary responsibility.

I have no fiduciary responsibility. 

1) I did not issue the asset

2) I did not sell anyone the asset.

It simply had my login name on it, which I protested.  I decided not to make this protest public in order to preserve shareholder equity.  This thread is my reward.

It was these obvious issues that were emerging which inspired me to try and start such standards with the AE.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 01:03:51 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 18, 2014, 01:08:17 am
Let's read back where this started today.
Darkhorse expressed concern whethet you were still on the project.
This question arose directly from post made on this forum and BCT forum regarding Nxt.
There were and are legitimate doubts that anyone with such a negative view of the system he is working on will actually deliver the project he is involved in. These questions are legitimate from an investor's standpoint.

As someone who works on a project, you do have a responsibility to uphold the integrity of a project. That is normal in any project.

Your posts lead directly to uncertainty amongst the investors, leading to a loss of trust, leading to questions asked and leading to a situation where the tension became so high that it was impossible to maintain a good working relationship.

Those issues are not "absolutes", they are perceptions, and by posting this way, you are at least co responsible for the image you created of yourself, and thus legitimate doubt about your commitment to a project people invested in.

I summarise the position I read:

1 You will not return the 1 million Nxt that was paid for rendering a service, even if this service has not been rendered
2. You dispute you have ANY responsibility here, even though the posts that clearly show your negative view of the whole Nxt project and people associated are to be found easily
3. You focus on technicatilities that do not have to to with this direct issues, but rather on how different persons may read posts.

From my personal perspective, not as an admin, I see someone who is constantly not seeing that his actions, that are clearly visible, may have wider repercussions from the other responsibilities he has accepted to take on. You seem to deny the fact that trust given gives people any claim on you and refuse to accept that people may have a different opinion than yourself, especially since they placed their trust in you. Personally, I find that a naive and childisch view of the world. Adolescents may evade their responsibilities so easily and choose to think that their actions will not have repercussions. Adults should be wiser.

I sincerely hope you will choose the third road and seek an equitable solution with the best interests of the people who invested in you in mind.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:09:54 am
the simple fact is that James issued this asset and he sold you this asset.

I never sold any, I didnt agree to the description, I attempted to faithfully meet my obligations anyway.  James then destroyed the project, carelessly, then subsequently went and requested that I pay for the damages he caused.

A key fact here I never sold a single share.  Thus any share anyone may hold was sold by James(or distributed directly).  No where was it stated or implied that I was somehow responsible for your investment.  A telling point here is that you all disclaim any culpability from James when clearly at least SOME does exist.

More kangaroo court and blaming whomever is most easily blamed.  Obviously it's not a situation anyone wants to stay in.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: verdun2003 on June 18, 2014, 01:11:16 am
Hi, I'm Jay and I came here from Bitcointalk.

Just letting you guys know that me and my brothers are going to pay REMOVED  a visit tonight/tomorrow. I reside near REMOVED which is not too far from Mr. REMOVED. I read this post with his address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7371636#msg7371636).

I am not a fan of the police as I like to take care of things on my own.  Will report back.

Jay

Just let you know, the forum rules do not allow you post like this, you may be banned later.   ;)

JayM = bluemeanie1

Yep, we told you previously he had some psychological issues, hopefully he can soon buy some Prozac with NXT.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 18, 2014, 01:12:10 am
Quote from: bluemeanie1
earlier in this thread, Evil Dave made an excuse for the theft of 1/4 million dollars.  I just couldn't stomach that at all.  This was some clueless kid's life savings no doubt.

Now, fuck me, that really is close to libel.......it's this kind of total distortion of the truth that characterises BM's interactions with everyone.

heres the original BTT post of mine:

Lots of people have represented NXT.....and John has represented more than NXT as well. Johns done NXT promo at Miami Bitcoin, TrekCon and PayExpo, so he's been present at less than 50% of the conferences NXT has attended, and always as part of a team. There's no way i'd call him the public face of NXT, let alone leader.

He and Cointropolis do have their own agenda, but up until now Cointrop and NXT worked well together. Hopefully still will in the future.
Personally, I find it very hard to believe that he ran the scam himself. Even if he netted the full 400 BTC he was aiming for, thats still only $240,000.
It's enough to have to run quite a long way to get away, but not enough to get you very far.

But: He and Cointropolis stand to gain so much more than that over the next few years, as crypto hits the mainstream. Even if NXT disappeared up it's own Genesis block tomorrow, Cointropolis could move on to represent other coins, 'coz thats what they do: alt-coin PR agency.
Being caught scamming so openly would be the end of their reputation and business, and that biz could be huge.
Johns not stupid, I can't see him throwing away massive longterm potential for short term gain and a massive shitstorm.

I'm going for the sneaky NXT insider/hack theory, until I see any actual evidence one way or the other.

BM loses yet more credibility, if that were possible.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 18, 2014, 01:13:10 am
Hi, I'm Jay and I came here from Bitcointalk.

Just letting you guys know that me and my brothers are going to pay REMOVED a visit tonight/tomorrow. I reside near REMOVED which is not too far from Mr. REMOVED . I read this post with his address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.msg7371636#msg7371636).

I am not a fan of the police as I like to take care of things on my own.  Will report back.

Jay

If anything should happen to bluemeanie, I will happily report you to the police myself.
Do not take the law into your own hands.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:15:02 am
So it's "only $240,000" in the case of Cointropolis, but this situation, where liability has not even come close to being established, it's some sort of cardinal sin(the sum was, at most $15k).

There is a reason why no one trusts this project and this is why.  Who would risk getting entangled in this garbage?

it's like Sodom and Gomorrah in here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 01:17:30 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: NxtMinnow on June 18, 2014, 01:19:36 am
Nxt will find another way; like water cutting away mountainsides into valleys.


bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:22:02 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.

the only money that was spent was by the TD and I offered to refund it.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: EvilDave on June 18, 2014, 01:26:18 am
So it's "only $240,000" in the case of Cointropolis, but this situation, where liability has not even come close to being established, it's some sort of cardinal sin(the sum was, at most $15k).

There is a reason why no one trusts this project and this is why.  Who would risk getting entangled in this garbage?

it's like Sodom and Gomorrah in here.

-bm

Except without all the arse-shagging fun....

So, does any of this ring a bell, BM, on the "at most $15k" front:

33700 Tech fund https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/10278516869046547041
1000000 NXTVenture https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/9677367184378728685
33700 Communit Fund https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/16689648276761346571
5000 jl777 https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/213921033998505729
Rest Raised with Asset and most likely you have control of that funds too still (or sold them)

First: why am I not addressing the John and "sockpuppet" issue anymore?
A1: because I already given my view on how "innocent until proven guilty" works and because "prove to me to the standards I set, or you are a sockpuppet" does not make logical sense.
A2: Because I want to address this issue:

no idea what all that stuff is.  A payment form NXTVenture to me is a 'community payment'?  how do you figure that works?

there was a community tech dev payment that I have already claimed I am willing to refund(even though I dont think I'm liable).  That was really the only credible body that was involved in this and I only intend to cooperate with them.

I am going to use this account here: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/accountId/NXT-BKPE-L5KH-2C5D-BKDXS

It's all open and for all to see:

All these payments came into your account, bluemeanie. Every single one.
Now, I find it passingly strange that if you wondered where these payments were coming from, that you stíll decided to cash out all of them not two weeks ago to bter.
The Assets were put on sale and 419333 Nxt was sent to NXT-WEC8-EV23-6U2M-2EHLP and then on to https://nxtblocks.info/#section/accountId/NXT-AY5L-JF5R-DULG-6VQ8B, from where it was sent to https://nxtblocks.info/#section/accountId/NXT-LSC3-VB9T-2W3V-BH7FB which is the bter account.

1'049'995 NXT was sent to bter, and yet you claim that you had no idea where it came from...

As to the Assets:

The NxtAutoDAC assets were sent on 15-05 and 01-06:
http://www.nxtreporting.com/?a=6996594153988857002
http://www.nxtreporting.com/?a=17775780885241000806

Bar a few, they were moved to the "intermediate" account on 02-06: http://www.nxtreporting.com/?a=1871213445535284844
They are still there.

The NxtVenture Assets were sold off.

So, the question that bugs me here is that you are so adamant in attacking people and apparently baffled by people questioning your taking of funds and then bailing is such a surprising manner, killing people's investments in the process, I might add.

You yourself have made a killing two weeks ago. Some of that MAY have been legitimate wages, they MAY be not.
I dó think it's suggestive.

My last question would be: if you didn't know where those funds came from, did you think a fairy donated them?
I find that hard to believe. In our talks you have proven to be a highly intelligent person, so that just doesn't wash with me.

Edit: also, I find the message attached to this transaction very, véry sad in light of what is happening now: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/17375996629400525041



Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 01:27:40 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.

the only money that was spent was by the TD and I offered to refund it.

-bm

Then you should do this and pls keep the 1m nxt for your good work and your passion for nxt and being long and strong in Autodac shares. sounds fair enough.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:28:10 am
basically, James just caused massive destruction with his actions and he convinced all of you that this was my fault.

who sold the shares?

who issued the asset?

these facts are inadmissible?  the only loss to the community was the TD funds which, again I offered to refund.  Again if you want to recover your money, ask James what happened to the revenues of his sale of NXTautoDAC shares.

here is the sum total of BM's revenues from the sale of NXTautoDAC: 0.000000 NXT.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:31:34 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.

the only money that was spent was by the TD and I offered to refund it.

-bm

Then you should do this and pls keep the 1m nxt for your good work and your passion for nxt and being long and strong in Autodac shares. sounds fair enough.

I DID make an agreement with the TD.  I am very open to working things out with them and I'm willing to offer a full refund.

That was the 'community funds', not anything that transacted between James and I.  Again: I'm willing to offer FULL REIMBURSEMENT for community expenditures, even though I had real costs.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 01:37:36 am
bm has made 0 (zero) commits to the NxtAutoDAC project.

Just to know as an outsider. how much work on this project is done?
Nothing done, all money spend. this is a real shame.

the only money that was spent was by the TD and I offered to refund it.

-bm

Then you should do this and pls keep the 1m nxt for your good work and your passion for nxt and being long and strong in Autodac shares. sounds fair enough.

I DID make an agreement with the TD.  I am very open to working things out with them and I'm willing to offer a full refund.

That was the 'community funds', not anything that transacted between James and I.  Again: I'm willing to offer FULL REIMBURSEMENT for community expenditures, even though I had real costs.

-bm

Just return funds. You are the good guy. Maybe little bit overpayed for what you did but no problem was just money of nxtventure shareholders. Keep on with your good work. I am out.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:40:04 am
So it's "only $240,000" in the case of Cointropolis, but this situation, where liability has not even come close to being established, it's some sort of cardinal sin(the sum was, at most $15k).

There is a reason why no one trusts this project and this is why.  Who would risk getting entangled in this garbage?

it's like Sodom and Gomorrah in here.

-bm

Except without all the arse-shagging fun....

So, does any of this ring a bell, BM, on the "at most $15k" front:


I don't really know what all that is.  I received a payment from James.  We've already established what transacted between the 'community' and what is James' transactions that he wants people to think is really their liability, when it is not.  I offered an optimally generous settlement for any community transactions that transpired.

You should all also be clear: I was not in the least bit secretive about these factors brought to light here, certainly not with James. 

James:  what happened to all the revenues from the sale of all those IPO shares?

Basically James convinced everyone here that I was responsible for their investment when I wasn't.  Just because James sold you a share backed by my name doesn't make liable.  It is impossible that you bought a share from me.  If our rubric here is 'who made money'?  lets hear James' explanation of what happened to the sales revenue.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 01:41:37 am

Just return funds. You are the good guy. Maybe little bit overpayed for what you did but no problem was just money of nxtventure shareholders. Keep on with your good work. I am out.

a $1000 is overpaying?  some of the devs on the TD even admitted this was incredibly low and even offered more later on.

try thinking next time you try and blame an innocent person for cheating you.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 01:48:41 am

Just return funds. You are the good guy. Maybe little bit overpayed for what you did but no problem was just money of nxtventure shareholders. Keep on with your good work. I am out.

a $1000 is overpaying?  some of the devs on the TD even admitted this was incredibly low and even offered more later on.

try thinking next time you try and blame an innocent person for cheating you.

-bm

Sorry your so right 1000 USD for no work is not enough. But I meant the 1m nxt from nxtventure shareholders as you might know.  You call it the transaction with James and you do not want to discuss about that. Please no answer required!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 02:00:37 am

Just return funds. You are the good guy. Maybe little bit overpayed for what you did but no problem was just money of nxtventure shareholders. Keep on with your good work. I am out.

a $1000 is overpaying?  some of the devs on the TD even admitted this was incredibly low and even offered more later on.

try thinking next time you try and blame an innocent person for cheating you.

-bm

Sorry your so right 1000 USD for no work is not enough. But I meant the 1m nxt from nxtventure shareholders as you might know.  You call it the transaction with James and you do not want to discuss about that. Please no answer required!

I don't appreciate you claiming I did no work, because it's simply not true.

This other sum of money could have turned into much more if James was a bit more tactful in settling his issues.

What you are all doing is accepting an invalid storyline that is convenient, and as I've established here- untrue.  The fact is Im not appreciative at all of how things are handled in this forum, and I stated that long before these undue charges were brought against me.

So let me get your story straight?  James has ZERO culpability here?  even though he sold the shares and I cautiously kept those I had in my possession out of fear that something like this would happen.  Apparently taking these precautions has no bearing on this discussion.

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: msin on June 18, 2014, 02:13:54 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 02:21:36 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

I do agree that this is between James and I.  I have reached out to him and got no response.  Part of what he's doing is conscripting the community by telling them that there is a dispute between the community and me- when there isn't.  Again, I offered a full refund to the TD- and I never wavered on that.

Secondly I am not responsible for this asset because 1) I didnt issue it  2) I didnt sell it.  I did detect this possible outcome and thus decided not to personally profit from the sale of shares.  Others did warn me about James but I decided otherwise and to pursue this opportunity.  I thought it could help to make a better feature.

I'd like to know- what happened to all the money people spent on NXTautoDAC?  At least one person decided that I had it, even though that I made it clear I never sold a share.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: FearTheReaper on June 18, 2014, 02:24:22 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

Very true.

BM needs to pay back any community funds, in NXT, for not continuing with the project. Anything else, was a risk taken by shareholders.

BM, what was your vision for DAC? How did it differ from James'?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 02:30:29 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

Very true.

BM needs to pay back any community funds, in NXT, for not continuing with the project. Anything else, was a risk taken by shareholders.

BM, what was your vision for DAC? How did it differ from James'?

no problems paying back the TD.  I made that clear from the start.

James had a confused vision of some sort of automated companies.  I really can't quite make any sense of it.  I had an issue early on with it, voiced it with some people and got some council and decided that its best not to disrupt(in the way James just did).  James even agreed that things 'were confusing' at the start and consented to the plan to restate the company purpose- thus he acknowledged that the stated purpose was inadequate.  James unfortunately is trying to convert his own personal losses(due to his own actions) into some sort of community issue.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 02:32:18 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

Very true.

BM needs to pay back any community funds, in NXT, for not continuing with the project. Anything else, was a risk taken by shareholders.

BM, what was your vision for DAC? How did it differ from James'?

no problems paying back the TD.  I made that clear from the start.

James had a confused vision of some sort of automated companies.  I really can't quite make any sense of it.  I had an issue early on with it, voiced it with some people and got some council and decided that its best not to disrupt(in the way James just did).  James even agreed that things 'were confusing' at the start and consented to the plan to restate the company purpose- thus he acknowledged that the stated purpose was inadequate.  James unfortunately is trying to convert his own personal losses(due to his own actions) into some sort of community issue.

-bm


regardless, any decent & honest person would just return the assets since you wont be doing the work.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 02:33:48 am


regardless, any decent & honest person would just return the assets since you wont be doing the work.

the "solution" that I am supposed to pay for all these damages might seem acceptable to you, however it erodes just about every standard of business I can think of.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: FearTheReaper on June 18, 2014, 02:44:31 am


regardless, any decent & honest person would just return the assets since you wont be doing the work.

the "solution" that I am supposed to pay for all these damages might seem acceptable to you, however it erodes just about every standard of business I can think of.

-bm

His point is that James gave you assets and 1million NXT for developing DAC. If you didn't complete or develop a finished DAC, then you  should return the portion of the 1million NXT to James. For example, if you only completed 10% of the DAC you should return 900k of NXT to James. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 18, 2014, 02:49:27 am
BM, please complete the following sentence:

"I deserve to keep the 1M NXT for work on NXTautoDAC, even though I did very little work on it and made no commits, because ___________________________________."

I am only somewhat sarcastic here. I genuinely do not understand how you can feel good about keeping payment for a project that you did not in fact do much work on. (And don't mention the NXTautoDAC assets, and how you didn't sell any. That's not what this question is about.)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: MadCow on June 18, 2014, 02:54:59 am
I own 10% of NXTautoDAC which I bought from James. It is clear to me that bluemeanie suffers from a mental illness. People on forums like to insult others by calling them names, but I honestly believe bluemeanie is probably a psychopath or a sociopath.

This thread is his 'trophy', and anyone who engages with him is giving him EXACTLY what he wants. The money isn't the only motivator here. Bluemeanie wants to feel powerful, in control, and smarter than the rest of us. He will no doubt read this thread over and over, so he can re-experience his 'victory', his 'power'

As someone who lost a lot of money over this, I ask that you refrain from giving bluemeanie MORE. Lock this thread and forget about him. Move on. Don't give this psychopath anything more.

A normal scammer lurks in the shadows, takes your money, and tries their hardest to remain anonymous. A psychopath like this guy NEEDS a trophy, he needs to witness all the fuss he has created. This is the motivation. He wants to be endlessly debated, and in all honesty reading this thread is getting him off.

DON'T GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: pandaisftw on June 18, 2014, 02:57:39 am


regardless, any decent & honest person would just return the assets since you wont be doing the work.

the "solution" that I am supposed to pay for all these damages might seem acceptable to you, however it erodes just about every standard of business I can think of.

-bm

You got this wrong - you are not "paying", you are returning money for a job someone paid you to do, but then reneged on.

You say you cashed out $15k, where is the rest? 1 mil NXT, at the time you sent the funds, was worth $50k.

EDIT:
MadCow, you are right, perhaps we should just stop. BlueMeanie1 already has shown his true colors.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: elktender on June 18, 2014, 03:06:06 am
Why all the banter back and forth? If you think you were scammed, and the alleged perpetrator lives in the USA, file a complaint.
Contact numbers are at the bottom of this pdf
http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf (http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:12:31 am
Why all the banter back and forth? If you think you were scammed, and the alleged perpetrator lives in the USA, file a complaint.
Contact numbers are at the bottom of this pdf
http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf (http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf)

I did not issue the asset, thus making such a filing will probably bring attention to James(and probably many more on this forum).

I did not market these assets, and I did not sell them.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:14:35 am
I own 10% of NXTautoDAC which I bought from James. It is clear to me that bluemeanie suffers from a mental illness. People on forums like to insult others by calling them names, but I honestly believe bluemeanie is probably a psychopath or a sociopath.

This thread is his 'trophy', and anyone who engages with him is giving him EXACTLY what he wants. The money isn't the only motivator here. Bluemeanie wants to feel powerful, in control, and smarter than the rest of us. He will no doubt read this thread over and over, so he can re-experience his 'victory', his 'power'

As someone who lost a lot of money over this, I ask that you refrain from giving bluemeanie MORE. Lock this thread and forget about him. Move on. Don't give this psychopath anything more.

A normal scammer lurks in the shadows, takes your money, and tries their hardest to remain anonymous. A psychopath like this guy NEEDS a trophy, he needs to witness all the fuss he has created. This is the motivation. He wants to be endlessly debated, and in all honesty reading this thread is getting him off.

DON'T GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS.



who is anonymous here?

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: msin on June 18, 2014, 03:16:25 am
Close this thread and deal with this privately, I guarantee you will get more resolved with BM if you Skype him.  James made a business decision to hire BM, it didn't work out, BM already cashed out 1Mil Nxt, he obviously doesn't have interest in Nxt.  If his intentions were to walk away the whole time, then hiring him was a very bad decision and his reputation will suffer.  This isn't the community's responsibility to recover funds from bad business decisions. 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:26:32 am
Close this thread and deal with this privately, I guarantee you will get more resolved with BM if you Skype him.  James made a business decision to hire BM, it didn't work out, BM already cashed out 1Mil Nxt, he obviously doesn't have interest in Nxt.  If his intentions were to walk away the whole time, then hiring him was a very bad decision and his reputation will suffer.  This isn't the community's responsibility to recover funds from bad business decisions.

the very fact is that I never reneged on anything.  People seem to have quickly forgotten the backdrop here: remember the missing 200BTC which Evil Dave thought was not a big deal?

again: I cashed out on NXT because NXT is not spendable.

James created a cryptoasset with my name on it, convinced you I would be liable for it, I never agreed to this in any way- and in addition I never profited from it.  You were fooled by James, not by me.

Again:  what happened to the revenues from the sale of the shares?

moral of the story: dont do business with anonymous people.  There is a perfect reason why James made sure to stick my loginid in the asset descriptor.  I had an issue with it from the start.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 18, 2014, 03:34:27 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

Very true.

BM needs to pay back any community funds, in NXT, for not continuing with the project. Anything else, was a risk taken by shareholders.

BM, what was your vision for DAC? How did it differ from James'?

no problems paying back the TD.  I made that clear from the start.


When are you paying back to TD?

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:35:10 am
also I want to add, I suspect that James was churning the price of the asset.  When I suspected this, I decided not to sell any and work on resolving the other issues.  The fact is he moves very quickly.  How many of these assets and companies did he form in the past few weeks?  so many I can't even count.

It's surprising how so far no one has found a single fault with James here.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:35:46 am
Many here will disagree with me, but this is an issue between James and BM.  I don't see why the community is spending so much time on this.  I understand the Asset losses, but everyone should be prepared to lose anything invested in any Asset or Crypto for that matter.  James hired BM as a contractor for a specific project and then issued an Asset based on that project.  BM decided he didn't want to finish the project and he needs to settle that with James in private.  James will make this right because he has many Assets and a reputation to keep.  We can't, as a community, witch hunt for every Asset that turns out to be a dud.  You can't assume that any of your Assets hold some value because they were issued by someone in particular or you were promised something.  BM wants to move on, that is fine, and he owes James some Nxt, but it's not a matter we should all be involved in right now.

Very true.

BM needs to pay back any community funds, in NXT, for not continuing with the project. Anything else, was a risk taken by shareholders.

BM, what was your vision for DAC? How did it differ from James'?

no problems paying back the TD.  I made that clear from the start.


When are you paying back to TD?


we'll settle it ASAP.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: MadCow on June 18, 2014, 03:38:25 am
Close this thread and deal with this privately, I guarantee you will get more resolved with BM if you Skype him.  James made a business decision to hire BM, it didn't work out, BM already cashed out 1Mil Nxt, he obviously doesn't have interest in Nxt.  If his intentions were to walk away the whole time, then hiring him was a very bad decision and his reputation will suffer.  This isn't the community's responsibility to recover funds from bad business decisions.

I agree. Close the thread. Leave this one for karma to work out. Endless discussion is what BM wants. I lost a lot, but I'm realistic, crypto is risky territory. There's no way to get the money back, and knowing bluemeanie's name & address can't help me as I live in another country.

Please lock this thread.

Support the people who are obviously trying to get things done. I support James. James might have made some bad decisions along the way, but he made them in good faith, and I believe he is an honest person trying to work constructively with other parties. He doesn't hide the fact that he wants to make money and is supremely motivated & hard working, but he's not trying to rip people off either.

Bluemeanie appears to be motivated by other things, including attention, so lock this thread and move on. By all means make contact with BM in private (I tried but could see it was going nowhere fast), but lock this 'trophy' thread asap.

We've all seen the psycho movies. This thread is like a handbag or a pair of panties to a serial killer rapist (it's a psycho trophy), and every post is giving BM a psycho rush.

The best way to get him back is to ignore him, which I'll do from now.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:44:49 am
'looking for attention'?

Yes, I enjoy being accused of all sorts of fraud and spending all day responding to random accusations from anonymous forum posters.

You all seem to be unable to accept my innocence.  Already you have tried to accuse me of being some supremely clever mastermind capable of captivating audiences with mysterious powers- when really all Im doing to explaining what happened.   Most of you, as of now, are unable to accept the truth of the matter.  I did absolutely nothing.

There is a lot of activity happening in these circles I don't agree with.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 03:48:43 am
Close this thread and deal with this privately, I guarantee you will get more resolved with BM if you Skype him.  James made a business decision to hire BM, it didn't work out, BM already cashed out 1Mil Nxt, he obviously doesn't have interest in Nxt.  If his intentions were to walk away the whole time, then hiring him was a very bad decision and his reputation will suffer.  This isn't the community's responsibility to recover funds from bad business decisions.

I agree. Close the thread. Leave this one for karma to work out. Endless discussion is what BM wants.

I have the right to defend myself.  I am responding directly to the claims made against me.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 18, 2014, 03:53:01 am
What is your plan now bm?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 04:03:37 am
What is your plan now bm?

I'd like two things to happen at this point:

1) refund the money to the community TD fund

2) I'd like to get a credible list of complaints regarding this and see if we can get it settled. I cannot promise anything.  Remember I have never marketed, sold, or profited from James' fundraising.  Again I suspect many of the sales were actually fake.  I can't determine.  Note: this is not an acceptance of fault here, only willingness to help get this problems solved.

Obviously a huge mess was created.  Perhaps we can turn this into something positive.  I haven't really given much thought to technical solutions although there might be some.

On a positive note, while working on VCorps we did do some significant work on developing ideas for reporting(ironically enough).  Perhaps this is a good opportunity to push some of these ideas forward.  Were all treading in new territory here.  These are uncharted waters.  Standards need to be in place if we are to even consider this sort of activity.  There are a few others on this forum I have worked with in defining some of these things- it was all supposed to be part of VCorps.

Given that my statements and replies are considered, and you have ample time to fact check them, of course I'd like the opportunity to regain the general trust here.  I have never defrauded this community in any way.  This thread are ACCUSATIONS and nothing more.

thanks.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 04:07:21 am
The fact is, if an asset had clearly designated OFFICERS this would not be a problem.  Officers are a key feature of VCorps.

-bm


Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 04:17:35 am
I want to add something to help support my case here.

The shares of NXTautoDAC in my possession were valued in excess of SIX MILLION NXT at one point.

I chose not to cash any of those assets out.  I ask the community members: Is that the behavior of a greedy psychopath?

then you can take a tour of everything I wrote about VCorps- does that work reflect this story that I was just looking to bilk everyone here out of some money?

the reality is all there on the record.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 18, 2014, 04:21:17 am
 James, what is your plan?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 04:33:27 am
also of note, sent this out on June 7th- to the T.E.A.M mailing list ( Team Everybody A Millionaire ), a group James added me to.  Again tried to participate but found it difficult.  It went dormant until I saw Uniqueorn flaunting his membership at which point I declared my official departure.

Thus this serves to note that problems were emerging for some time.

Quote
hello,

Recently someone had mentioned publicly that they are a member of this group.  This person is far below what I consider to be acceptable ethical and intellectual standards.  For now, I am officially announcing that I am not part of TEAM.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 18, 2014, 06:58:06 am
Quote
I have never defrauded this community in any way.

Yeah, few hours ago you said publicly on Bitcointalk that "NXT is worthless" and "the community is full of criminals and thefts".

But, hey!, that cannot defraud anybody! can it?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 18, 2014, 07:32:11 am
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.

just a reminder, time is running

1M NXT to be paid back until the deadline June 18, 2014, 11:23:26 pm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 18, 2014, 08:48:42 am

So let me get your story straight?  James has ZERO culpability here?

-bm

James has some culpability. He made the mistake of trusting bluemeanie.

Bluemeanie, please just return the 1M Nxt that you got (via James) from the Nxt community. Think about your reputation. Do you want this scandal to be the first thing that comes up when someone googles your name? You seem to think that there are two sides to this, but you'll note that not a single person other than yourself sees anything except you being totally in the wrong. It's cut and dried that you should repay the 1M Nxt so that the community can be refunded (once again via James) or the project can be revitalized. If you yourself can't see that this is the only way to save your reputation, perhaps talk to a third party who you trust and ask for their opinion.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 18, 2014, 08:57:34 am
Bm,

The answer to your question. The money from the sales of shares went to you, with some small amount to Nxtventure as per the quote below. So your where the money question is answered as per our pm conversation.

Just curious, if you hired someone to build your house, and you pay him money upfront to complete the house, and he didn't. Would you let him have the money or will you ask for refund. That is exactly what is happening here.



James, I asked you where the money came from- didn't I?

-bm
The money went to you. The money came from investors. I dont have the exact figures, but I think NXTventure might have netted 100,000 NXT or so. Since I was doing the offering for you as documented in the txid 17375996629400525041, this was fine with me.

NXTventure payment to bm's acct for 1 million NXT 9677367184378728685
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/17375996629400525041
{"asset":"16212446818542881180","comment":"Here is 1% of NXTVenture\r\nThank you for trusting me to do your offering!\r\n\r\nJames","quantityQNT":"10000"}

The PM shows you accepted the terms. Case closed

Now that the facts are in, the only question is if you have the integrity and ethics to do what is right.
Or you can hide behind technicalities or maybe I didnt use the right punctuation, maybe thats enough to justify you keeping a million NXT?

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 18, 2014, 10:45:31 am
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.

just a reminder, time is running

1M NXT to be paid back until the deadline June 18, 2014, 11:23:26 pm

bluemeanie1, should u need more time just let me know.

i find its ur right to have more time should u need it to acquire the required fundings to pay back what u unrightfully took.

if u feel the need to extend the final deadline to 48 hours in total, request here.

~CfA~
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 18, 2014, 01:52:30 pm
Edit: don't post private conversations, please

well? anytime!

more updates soon
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jacinto on June 18, 2014, 02:02:09 pm
Edit: don't post private conversations, please


Is NXT core technology a total fraud?  :o

Where is CFB when we need it!  ;)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 18, 2014, 02:07:57 pm
Edit: don't post private conversations, please


Is NXT core technology a total fraud?  :o

Where is CFB when we need it!  ;)

well from a guy who never even commited a single line of code.. I would not be so sure..  ;D
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: ThomasVeil on June 18, 2014, 02:42:15 pm
BlueMeanie's tactics here of seeding confusion via random other issues, shifting blame and not answering questions are from the rule book of professional scammers. Any further discussion with him is pointless.

Anyways, I want to point out two things (that I haven't read anyone mentioning it):
The shares of NXTautoDAC in my possession were valued in excess of SIX MILLION NXT at one point.
I chose not to cash any of those assets out.  I ask the community members: Is that the behavior of a greedy psychopath?

At no point was it possible to cash out these assets - the market would not have given a fraction of a million. Besides it would have given the game away.

And that he says he doesn't know where the million comes from (quoted from an skype discussion), contradicts the "I'm not liable" part. The law is crystal clear even for non-lawyers: Nobody is allowed to keep money received by mistake.

The legal consequences go far beyond simply paying it back (or settling) - if BlueMeanie isn't transferring it back now, he is risking ruining his life.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: DoM P on June 18, 2014, 03:48:25 pm
Don't we have a lawyer around here? Doesn't he have an opinion about all this?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Breasal on June 18, 2014, 03:57:11 pm
I got a sleepy puppy pic from Damelon and I have been up for day and half, so I will take his advice

It seems that the worst case contingency plan will need to be used. I am too tired to work out the details, but assuming I can get some people to help, i want to make sure that everybody that paid for NXTautoDAC will get value equivalent to what they paid or 13 NXT per asset, whichever is less. I hope people that got it as a dividend will understand this is only for cash buyers. So I will need help in processing the claims to verify the net cost basis of the assets. It will be time consuming and hopefully we can create a list of things that are needed for a claim.

Then when everything is all tallied up, you will get credits that can be used to exchange for jl777hodl or NXTcoinsco

I am really sorry for all this and I want to assure everyone that I stand behind my assets. I will be using my personal holdings for this compensation. It will not be from any of the funded asset companies.

James

James, this is very valiant and respectable move. I appreciate your decision, as a small holder of NXTautodac, as I'm sure many others holding much more than I.

Sorry this has come about...I hope that next time, the dev committee will better vet and/or not pay up front all salary for work to be done. All contracts, as with my consulting company, should be generally 10-20% up front and the remaining upon completion of product. I'm certain any reasonable dev would agree to this. Expensive lesson learned.

As far as the credit for other assets based on NXTautodac plunge, please do let the community know how to best expedite this credit or be placed on a list for future offerings. Would simply sending our accounts of which NXTautodac is held be sufficient?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 04:19:48 pm

So let me get your story straight?  James has ZERO culpability here?

-bm

James has some culpability. He made the mistake of trusting bluemeanie.

Something very strange is going on here. Why is James not pointed to as responsible for this failure? To an at least equal extend as BM?

James is the one that sold you this, right?  ???

I don't get why James continues to receive such high confidence, and even when projects fail completely, due to his management decisions, he is not up for scrutiny whatsoever.


I hope you all learn the right lesson here. Do NOT invest in BM & James!

Hold on to your NXT!!!

That said, I'm sorry for your loss :(
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: DoM P on June 18, 2014, 04:22:42 pm

So let me get your story straight?  James has ZERO culpability here?

-bm

James has some culpability. He made the mistake of trusting bluemeanie.

Something very strange is going on here. Why is James not pointed to as responsible for this failure? To an at least equal extend as BM?

James is the one that sold you this, right?  ???

I don't get why James continues to receive such high confidence, and even when projects fail completely, due to his management decisions, he is not up for scrutiny whatsoever.


I hope you all learn the right lesson here. Do NOT invest in BM & James!

Hold on to your NXT!!!

That said, I'm sorry for your loss :(
Well, if I get this right, James created an asset to fund BM's dev.
The money was then given to BM
And BM leaves with the money.

That would make BM a scammer and James, at worst, too trusty of a man.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 04:26:06 pm

So let me get your story straight?  James has ZERO culpability here?

-bm

James has some culpability. He made the mistake of trusting bluemeanie.

Something very strange is going on here. Why is James not pointed to as responsible for this failure? To an at least equal extend as BM?

James is the one that sold you this, right?  ???

I don't get why James continues to receive such high confidence, and even when projects fail completely, due to his management decisions, he is not up for scrutiny whatsoever.


I hope you all learn the right lesson here. Do NOT invest in BM & James!

Hold on to your NXT!!!

That said, I'm sorry for your loss :(
Well, if I get this right, James created an asset to fund BM's dev.
The money was then given to BM
And BM leaves with the money.

That would make BM a scammer and James, at worst, too trusty of a man.

No, you are not making the man responsible that is responsible.

Agreed that BM is responsible, but even MORE so is James.

Since he sold it to you, and he is the manager of this venture. 

I hope you are able to see that.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 04:31:30 pm
johnson, please tell me how my reasoning is wrong here:

jl777 sent bm1 some NXT and some asset to complete the project
bm1, instead of working on the project, starts making accusations, and clearly has no intent of completing the project
bm1 also plans on keeping the nxt and assets
IMO, bm1 owes back the nxt and assets

johnson ONLY, what is wrong with my thinking?  am I missing something?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: TimmyD on June 18, 2014, 04:38:01 pm
Jamesnmay have made a bad decision on sending all the funds for the project at once. but who is still holding that nxt. bm1 is. If bm1 paid this back we could all move on and continie moving forward. all i see here is wasted time now. james was here and bm all last night defending both their corners. thats alot of precious dev time we cant get back. if the project is a no go return the funds simple.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 04:53:54 pm
johnson, please tell me how my reasoning is wrong here:

jl777 sent bm1 some NXT and some asset to complete the project
bm1, instead of working on the project, starts making accusations, and clearly has no intent of completing the project
bm1 also plans on keeping the nxt and assets
IMO, bm1 owes back the nxt and assets

johnson ONLY, what is wrong with my thinking?  am I missing something?

I think you are right in your analyses of what happened.

But what you are missing here, in my opinion, is that you are an investor.

You are not a coworker in the venture, you are not the manager of the venture.

As an investor, it is unwise to get involved in the day to day operations.

As an investor you must make the manager fully responsible for the outcome of the investment/venture.

He makes the decisions, and you will judge him. If the venture fails for whatever reason, he is responsible.

If he points fingers to others, or is not taking responsibility for the decisions he made, that is a very bad sign.

If he apologizes sincerely, or even makes your loss whole, that is good, but until then, he is not to be entrusted with any more money!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
im not an investor of the project or fund.  im strictly speaking from the perspective of what is right and wrong, and what makes someone a scammer or not a scammer.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: maddy83 on June 18, 2014, 05:23:18 pm
Are bluemeanie1 and Johnson the same person? Or at least "working together" to harm NXT? Strange that they are both now attacking jl777 in a similar way.

I am a new guy here, and don't know much. But there is an old saying "by their fruits you will know them". So, what are the "fruits" of jl777's labor, and what are those of bluemeanie1's?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: DoM P on June 18, 2014, 05:26:59 pm
Are bluemeanie1 and Johnson the same person? Or at least "working together" to harm NXT? Strange that they are both now attacking jl777 in a similar way.

I am a new guy here, and don't know much. But there is an old saying "by their fruits you will know them". So, what are the "fruits" of jl777's labor, and what are those of bluemeanie1's?
jl777 made MGW possible
And NXTShark
And plenty of other things in the works

BM made a scam.

Why are you asking ?

;)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: maddy83 on June 18, 2014, 05:32:41 pm
jl777 made MGW possible
And NXTShark
And plenty of other things in the works

BM made a scam.

Why are you asking ?

;)

I am not asking because I don't know the answer. I am asking so people would think about the question. :)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 18, 2014, 05:33:47 pm
and i lost 150k on the AE much with Nxtautodac! ... please stop it here... the bad thing is that I still have many recommended the AE, i have enough and i will later bought all and if i lost 300k.

perhaps to emotional but it´s hard to see what some people do... but my fault to much in the AE.
here to talk a lot, I want to see results.
and I'm get very impatient!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 05:39:45 pm
Close this thread and deal with this privately, I guarantee you will get more resolved with BM if you Skype him.  James made a business decision to hire BM, it didn't work out, BM already cashed out 1Mil Nxt, he obviously doesn't have interest in Nxt.  If his intentions were to walk away the whole time, then hiring him was a very bad decision and his reputation will suffer.  This isn't the community's responsibility to recover funds from bad business decisions.

I agree. Close the thread. Leave this one for karma to work out. Endless discussion is what BM wants. I lost a lot, but I'm realistic, crypto is risky territory. There's no way to get the money back, and knowing bluemeanie's name & address can't help me as I live in another country.

Please lock this thread.

Support the people who are obviously trying to get things done. I support James. James might have made some bad decisions along the way, but he made them in good faith, and I believe he is an honest person trying to work constructively with other parties. He doesn't hide the fact that he wants to make money and is supremely motivated & hard working, but he's not trying to rip people off either.

Bluemeanie appears to be motivated by other things, including attention, so lock this thread and move on. By all means make contact with BM in private (I tried but could see it was going nowhere fast), but lock this 'trophy' thread asap.

We've all seen the psycho movies. This thread is like a handbag or a pair of panties to a serial killer rapist (it's a psycho trophy), and every post is giving BM a psycho rush.

The best way to get him back is to ignore him, which I'll do from now.
bm said that he will refund funds to any investors if they contact him
I guess he didnt?

Since he wont take responsibility, it falls on me to do so. After all I did make the horrible mistake of trusting bm. So PM me and we can figure out how best to make good.

As I posted yesterday I will protect investors by providing credits based on what you paid for it or 13 NXT which was yesterday's price before all this. I suggest to suspend trading of NXTautoDAC, if bm wants to actually write code then he is free to create a market with the assets he still has, but after the make good, I will have no more to do with NXTautoDAC or bm, it is just a waste of my precious time.

noashh has volunteered to be the pointman for processing the claims. Please provide the number of NXTautoDAC assets you had as of yesterday, all relevant txids, how much you paid, etc. and what amount of credit you calculate. I will try to honor what you feel is the right amount for the claim, but please use the 13 NXT price as the amount per asset. You can also calculate an extra amount for any difference from 13NXT that I will use to give you allocation of future NXTventure assets. I hope this makes sense. I have already paid out the 1 million via NXTventure and in order not to hurt NXTventure from this "NXTventure" mistake, I am taking personal responsibility for having too much faith in a long time BCT member. I do not have the NXT to use for the makegood, so it will have to be in the form of assets and jl777hodl is the most horizontal asset that spans not only my assets but many others and I feel it is the best way to fund the makegood. If you have a preference for any other asset, just let noashh know and i will see what i can do. The sooner we can all get this behind us the better, so please get your claims in before Friday. I will try to get this all done by this weekend or early next week at the latest.

I am definitely feeling the pain from this and will definitely make changes in any future asset issuances.

I notice that bm keeps saying he isnt anonymous and I am, but just follow the money. The non-anonymous person is keeping the 1 million NXT and the anonymous person is providing the makegood. Maybe non-anonymity is overrated? I dont think people being anonymous changes who they are, so just judge a person by their actions not whether they are anonymous or not. One factor that led me to trust bm in the beginning was because he wasnt anonymous. I too, overrated that factor. No more. I dont care anymore whether someone is anonymous or not, I will judge them purely from what I see them do. I suggest the same

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 05:48:06 pm
and i lost 150k on the AE much with Nxtautodac! ... please stop it here... the bad thing is that I still have many recommended the AE, i have enough and i will later bought all and if i lost 300k.

perhaps to emotional but it´s hard to see what some people do... but my fault to much in the AE.
here to talk a lot, I want to see results.
and I'm get very impatient!

I'm sorry man :(
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 05:50:19 pm
Are bluemeanie1 and Johnson the same person? Or at least "working together" to harm NXT? Strange that they are both now attacking jl777 in a similar way.

I am a new guy here, and don't know much. But there is an old saying "by their fruits you will know them". So, what are the "fruits" of jl777's labor, and what are those of bluemeanie1's?

Very angering you are. I would really appreciate an ignore button. 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 05:52:59 pm
johnson, please tell me how my reasoning is wrong here:

jl777 sent bm1 some NXT and some asset to complete the project
bm1, instead of working on the project, starts making accusations, and clearly has no intent of completing the project
bm1 also plans on keeping the nxt and assets
IMO, bm1 owes back the nxt and assets

johnson ONLY, what is wrong with my thinking?  am I missing something?

I think you are right in your analyses of what happened.

But what you are missing here, in my opinion, is that you are an investor.

You are not a coworker in the venture, you are not the manager of the venture.

As an investor, it is unwise to get involved in the day to day operations.

As an investor you must make the manager fully responsible for the outcome of the investment/venture.

He makes the decisions, and you will judge him. If the venture fails for whatever reason, he is responsible.

If he points fingers to others, or is not taking responsibility for the decisions he made, that is a very bad sign.

If he apologizes sincerely, or even makes your loss whole, that is good, but until then, he is not to be entrusted with any more money!

so you would agree then, that what jl777 is not considered scamming, but what bm1 has done is?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 18, 2014, 05:57:04 pm
I do not know whether it is right that jl777 must always help out if there are problems....  ???
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: frohlocke on June 18, 2014, 06:03:52 pm
As far as I understood he is takeing responsibility for his mistake.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: DoM P on June 18, 2014, 06:04:27 pm
I do not know whether it is right that jl777 must always help out if there are problems....  ???

James is dedicated to Nxt.

People will need to remember this when we have Nxt bigger than bitcoin
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on June 18, 2014, 06:06:43 pm
Are bluemeanie1 and Johnson the same person? Or at least "working together" to harm NXT? Strange that they are both now attacking jl777 in a similar way.

I am a new guy here, and don't know much. But there is an old saying "by their fruits you will know them". So, what are the "fruits" of jl777's labor, and what are those of bluemeanie1's?

Very angering you are. I would really appreciate an ignore button.

lol

I don't think Johnson and BlueMeanie are the same person.  Johnson was just pointing out that James was too trusting.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 06:11:05 pm
Are bluemeanie1 and Johnson the same person? Or at least "working together" to harm NXT? Strange that they are both now attacking jl777 in a similar way.

I am a new guy here, and don't know much. But there is an old saying "by their fruits you will know them". So, what are the "fruits" of jl777's labor, and what are those of bluemeanie1's?

Very angering you are. I would really appreciate an ignore button.

lol

I don't think Johnson and BlueMeanie are the same person.  Johnson was just pointing out that James was too trusting.

yeah but lets see if hes got the balls to answer my question above
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 06:53:44 pm
johnson, please tell me how my reasoning is wrong here:

jl777 sent bm1 some NXT and some asset to complete the project
bm1, instead of working on the project, starts making accusations, and clearly has no intent of completing the project
bm1 also plans on keeping the nxt and assets
IMO, bm1 owes back the nxt and assets

johnson ONLY, what is wrong with my thinking?  am I missing something?

I think you are right in your analyses of what happened.

But what you are missing here, in my opinion, is that you are an investor.

You are not a coworker in the venture, you are not the manager of the venture.

As an investor, it is unwise to get involved in the day to day operations.

As an investor you must make the manager fully responsible for the outcome of the investment/venture.

He makes the decisions, and you will judge him. If the venture fails for whatever reason, he is responsible.

If he points fingers to others, or is not taking responsibility for the decisions he made, that is a very bad sign.

If he apologizes sincerely, or even makes your loss whole, that is good, but until then, he is not to be entrusted with any more money!

so you would agree then, that what jl777 is not considered scamming, but what bm1 has done is?

Honestly for me that is not clear.

What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.

Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

But this does not mean that BM scammed, or that James scammed.

But equally both may be scammers.


Scam is used quickly as a word but a true scam is something that was sold under false pretenses. It is very hard to decide whether this was the case as even the scammer himself will believe his own stories that they will deliver, and even for the people close to this person it may take years before they realise this person is a scammer. I speak from experience sadly.   :-\

For example, here the project is not delivered and the story is that this is because BM did not do any work, or started talking trash about NXT. But then his story is that he did do work, and that he still wants to continue the project. He also says that James blew up the project. This may all be true too. It is one word vs another and who is to be believed? Probably the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Now, I am biased, I don't trust James from the start. But frankly I had a hard time myself judging whether he was too good to be true, or the real deal. He is so active, sets up so much. And we all profit since he basically kickstarted the asset exchange. He also promises the sky, involves so many people.

So I couldn't really speak out. But I see that many people have a very high confidence and trust in him. I see this especially in this thread because here we have a first project that blows up. Now, I would expect people to wisen up and also become more critical of James. But what I see happening is that all the blame is directed towards someone else. And that is why I speak up, because clearly most blame is with James as it is his project, he is the manager, he sold it to the investors, he received the money from the investors!


Now, he says he will make investors whole, pay them back. But the way he does that is by blaming the failure on someone else, only in word taking responsibility but not in spirit. This is another red flag. Look, if he was an honest entrepreneur before investors put money in, he would warn people of the risks of this project, so that if it fails the investors were warned and he does not have to feel guilty. He would also not pay the bill if it fails, not from his own pocket, and certainly not from another asset/investor his pockets. It seems that he is very focused on his reputation, even if that means paying unjustly angry investors. This looks to me that he is hiding something.

What I think, and this is pure speculation, he is hiding, is that he is a scammer, in the meaning that he promises things, that he knows he will not deliver. Or, if he is unconscious of this and he really believes that he will deliver, that he will end up not delivering and so he is a bad entrepreneur. The evidence for that is what did he actually deliver? Because I have heard other voices that say he is all talk. If you can show me that he actually delivered something, that would be a positive indicator, though not conclusive! The scammers I have known delivered, but the product did not even come close to what was said it would, and they knew. 

I could be wrong, but to answer your question, BM may be a scammer, and James may be a scammer. I don't know.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 07:08:45 pm
What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.
Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

well then, regardless of what james is, or is not, BM1 is a scammer.  you apparently do not understand how the term "mutually exclusive" works.  even if it could be conclusively proven that james is a scammer, that still does not make BM1 not be a scammer.

sorry, but you fail at basic logic
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 07:19:10 pm
What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.
Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

well then, regardless of what james is, or is not, BM1 is a scammer.  you apparently do not understand how the term "mutually exclusive" works.  even if it could be conclusively proven that james is a scammer, that still does not make BM1 not be a scammer.

sorry, but you fail at basic logic

Was there an agreement that the money needed to be returned by BM if there was no delivery?

This you should ask to James, what agreement did he make with BM?

I suspect, he did not do a good job as a manager and just gave the money without an agreement on delivery.

In that case BM is not a scammer and can keep the money for work done.

And even if that amount was too much for the work he has proven to have done, if he sold the NXT for $10k, I can imagine he is not able to return any of it.

Does not make him a scammer though.

So, to repeat, to me it is not certain BM is a scammer, and it is not certain for James neither.

But I hope we can agree that - both - failed here, and - both - have more evidence against them of being scammers, or poor entrepreneurs.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:20:18 pm
johnson, please tell me how my reasoning is wrong here:

jl777 sent bm1 some NXT and some asset to complete the project
bm1, instead of working on the project, starts making accusations, and clearly has no intent of completing the project
bm1 also plans on keeping the nxt and assets
IMO, bm1 owes back the nxt and assets

johnson ONLY, what is wrong with my thinking?  am I missing something?

I think you are right in your analyses of what happened.

But what you are missing here, in my opinion, is that you are an investor.

You are not a coworker in the venture, you are not the manager of the venture.

As an investor, it is unwise to get involved in the day to day operations.

As an investor you must make the manager fully responsible for the outcome of the investment/venture.

He makes the decisions, and you will judge him. If the venture fails for whatever reason, he is responsible.

If he points fingers to others, or is not taking responsibility for the decisions he made, that is a very bad sign.

If he apologizes sincerely, or even makes your loss whole, that is good, but until then, he is not to be entrusted with any more money!

so you would agree then, that what jl777 is not considered scamming, but what bm1 has done is?

Honestly for me that is not clear.

What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.

Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

But this does not mean that BM scammed, or that James scammed.

But equally both may be scammers.

Scam is used quickly as a word but a true scam is something that was sold under false pretenses. It is very hard to decide whether this was the case as even the scammer himself will believe his own stories that they will deliver, and even for the people close to this person it may take years before they realise this person is a scammer. I speak from experience sadly.   :-\

For example, here the project is not delivered and the story is that this is because BM did not do any work, or started talking trash about NXT. But then his story is that he did do work, and that he still wants to continue the project. He also says that James blew up the project. This may all be true too. It is one word vs another and who is to be believed? Probably the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Now, I am biased, I don't trust James from the start. But frankly I had a hard time myself judging whether he was too good to be true, or the real deal. He is so active, sets up so much. And we all profit since he basically kickstarted the asset exchange. He also promises the sky, involves so many people.

So I couldn't really speak out. But I see that many people have a very high confidence and trust in him. I see this especially in this thread because here we have a first project that blows up. Now, I would expect people to wisen up and also become more critical of James. But what I see happening is that all the blame is directed towards someone else. And that is why I speak up, because clearly most blame is with James as it is his project, he is the manager, he sold it to the investors, he received the money from the investors!


Now, he says he will make investors whole, pay them back. But the way he does that is by taking money from other investors, some other asset. This is another red flag. Look, if he was an honest entrepreneur before investors put money in, he would warn people of the risks of this project, so that if it fails the investors were warned and he does not have to feel guilty. He would also not pay the bill if it fails, not from his own pocket, and certainly not from another asset/investor his pockets. It seems that he is very focused on his reputation, even if that means paying unjustly angry investors. This looks to me that he is hiding something.

What I think, and this is pure speculation, he is hiding, is that he is a scammer, in the meaning that he promises things, that he knows he will not deliver. Or, if he is unconscious of this and he really believes that he will deliver, that he will end up not delivering and so he is a bad entrepreneur. The evidence for that is what did he actually deliver? Because I have heard other voices that say he is all talk. If you can show me that he actually delivered something, that would be a positive indicator, though not conclusive! The scammers I have known delivered, but the product did not even come close to what was said it would, and they knew. 

I could be wrong, but to answer your question, BM may be a scammer, and James may be a scammer. I don't know.
I am making good from my personal holdings of jl777hodl, which does not impact the price of any other assets.
A lot of people seem to highly value real world practices of contracts, lawsuits, courts, lawyers, etc.
There is no need for crypto if that is what you want.

I am providing the makegood because there is clearly an expectation that the main dev for a project will be dedicated to NXT and to his project. My reliance on real world identity is what caused this error, plus the fact that I am too trusting of others as I expect them to be like me.

I believe business should be able to be done with a handshake or the online equivalent. Honor what the intent of the deal is. If something unexpected comes up, deal with it with integrity. If you have to work out every detail for every contingency and every recourse to be taken upon each case, well that is a contract and to me that means there is no trust between the two parties and to enforce this you need a giant legal framework.

99% of the people in crypto are people that feel like me and when they agree to something, they will either do it or if something changes, do their best to fix it.

A lot of people have put a lot of trust in me and I take that very seriously. Here is my first big mistake and while I can hide behind the "law" or "cryptos are risky" position, I feel that would go against the trust people have given me. I want to set an example for other asset issuers to follow that if their asset blows up for whatever reason, that a reasonable makegood be offered. No need for long lawsuits, trials, appeals, etc. Just do what is right and move on.

It is important for NXT that people be able to have confidence in AE and and issuers in general. We need to set a new standard on how to deal with these sort of issues without adopting the real world legal system. Since we really cant have an enforceable court system, this is not just my political views, but a practical necessity.

Now I have to get back to coding

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 07:27:39 pm
What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.
Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

well then, regardless of what james is, or is not, BM1 is a scammer.  you apparently do not understand how the term "mutually exclusive" works.  even if it could be conclusively proven that james is a scammer, that still does not make BM1 not be a scammer.

sorry, but you fail at basic logic

Was there an agreement that the money needed to be returned by BM if there was no delivery?

This you should ask to James, what agreement did he make with BM?

I suspect, he did not do a good job as a manager and just gave the money without an agreement on delivery.

In that case BM is not a scammer and can keep the money for work done.

And even if that amount was too much for the work he has proven to have done, if he sold the NXT for $10k, I can imagine he is not able to return any of it.

Does not make him a scammer though.

So, to repeat, to me it is not certain BM is a scammer, and it is not certain for James neither.

But I hope we can agree that - both - failed here, and - both - have more evidence against them of being scammers, or poor entrepreneurs.

thank you very much for making your point clear.  Its always nice for people of questionable morals to out themselves publicly like this, so I and others know not to deal with them personally in the future.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 07:35:17 pm
What seems certain is that James payed BM money for delivery of something.
Sure it is not delivered, and he is not willing to pay it back.

well then, regardless of what james is, or is not, BM1 is a scammer.  you apparently do not understand how the term "mutually exclusive" works.  even if it could be conclusively proven that james is a scammer, that still does not make BM1 not be a scammer.

sorry, but you fail at basic logic

Was there an agreement that the money needed to be returned by BM if there was no delivery?

This you should ask to James, what agreement did he make with BM?

I suspect, he did not do a good job as a manager and just gave the money without an agreement on delivery.

In that case BM is not a scammer and can keep the money for work done.

And even if that amount was too much for the work he has proven to have done, if he sold the NXT for $10k, I can imagine he is not able to return any of it.

Does not make him a scammer though.

So, to repeat, to me it is not certain BM is a scammer, and it is not certain for James neither.

But I hope we can agree that - both - failed here, and - both - have more evidence against them of being scammers, or poor entrepreneurs.

thank you very much for making your point clear.  Its always nice for people of questionable morals to out themselves publicly like this, so I and others know not to deal with them personally in the future.

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Voluntold on June 18, 2014, 07:35:21 pm
Wow, it took a while to read through this whole thread, but man, the Nxt community can be so entertaining at times.   :)

Well this seems like a pretty cut and dry case for me anyways.  I still trust jl777.  I do not trust BM.  Really sorry for the people that lost money and won't be able to recover it.  :'(

And yeah, James is totally right about having to deal with this in a manner outside of the normal legal system.  Cryptocurrencies are a free market thing, and so there needs to be free market solutions.  I think this is why reputation systems are so important for Nxt.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 18, 2014, 07:41:52 pm
Someone new like bluemeanie1 should not have been given that much money in advance. That was absolutely ridiculous.  The money should have gone into escrow and should have been given in instalments, or after the project was complete.

It's pretty clear to me that bluemeanie1 is a crook, though.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jack Needles on June 18, 2014, 07:42:42 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 07:43:42 pm

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?

because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

in my book, people who behave like this are trash.  hope this answers your question
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:44:37 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
how does my personal jl777hodl asset distribution dilute yours?
I am using my personal holdings
plus jl777hodl is a "proxy" asset, its value is its contents, and wont change based on its distribution

please explain why you feel dilution?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 18, 2014, 07:47:49 pm
don´t give other assets for nxtautodac!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:48:41 pm
Someone new like bluemeanie1 should not have been given that much money in advance. That was absolutely ridiculous.  The money should have gone into escrow and should have been given in instalments, or after the project was complete.

It's pretty clear to me that bluemeanie1 is a crook, though.
in hindsight I should have valued his real world identity at 0, but I was influenced by the "I am not anonymous so I can be trusted" thinking. After all, what was he going to do, just run off with all that NXT when everybody knows who he is?

James

P.S. Until today we had no escrow service that could have been used.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 18, 2014, 07:49:34 pm
because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

Lets not ignore the fact that jl77 is also responsible. He handed someone 1 million Nxt in advance before even finding out if the guy has any technical skills to complete a project -- let alone before delivering partial code and basic design.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 07:49:39 pm

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?

because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

in my book, people who behave like this are trash.  hope this answers your question

forkedchain,

I don't think it is ok. I agree with you that it is honorable to pay back part of the amount if you don't deliver. I would do so!

What I protest however is that you say he is a scammer, if he decides not to pay it back partly. It is not a scam. It is just poor performance. And I would not do business again with such person. And indeed I don't care if he spend it already. But I would not call him a scammer!

What is your definition of a scam?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:50:42 pm
don´t give other assets for nxtautodac!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will only makegood with jl777hodl, which is a "proxy" asset, meaning it gets its value from what it contains and not about its distribution.
These are my personal assets, so I really should be able to give them away to whomever I want to and I want to give them away to the investors, but few seem to be making claims...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:51:52 pm
because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

Lets not ignore the fact that jl77 is also responsible. He handed someone 1 million Nxt in advance before even finding out if the guy has any technical skills to complete a project -- let alone before delivering partial code and basic design.
His confidence chains worked seem to be legit, maybe that isnt? Is that what you are saying?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 18, 2014, 07:52:45 pm
I think this sums it up quite good:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212841.msg2282547#msg2282547
    
Quote

May 27, 2013, 08:13:28 AM
   
BlueMeanie is Joshua Zeidner, a java developer who contacted me a year or two ago regarding Open-Transactions and tried to start a company with me.

At the time he was very pro-Open-Transactions, and he was pushing very hard to come out to L.A. and work on a Java version of OT with me. He wanted to go right down to the courthouse and register a company so we could work on it together.

However, Johann and I ended up having to part ways with Josh due to his aggressive and toxic torpedoing of business relationships. (Several people can attest to this.) I regret that I ever had any dealings with Joshua Zeidner.

We are focused on building products, and won't engage further with Josh.



So there will be more of this following this person around.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 07:52:58 pm

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?

because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

in my book, people who behave like this are trash.  hope this answers your question

forkedchain,

I don't think it is ok. I agree with you that it is honorable to pay back part of the amount if you don't deliver. I would do so!

What I protest however is that you say he is a scammer, if he decides not to pay it back partly. It is not a scam. It is just poor performance. And I would not do business again with such person. And indeed I don't care if he spend it already. But I would not call him a scammer!

What is your definition of a scam?
Hey johnson, why not hold a karma vote?
people who agree with you can give you karma and people that agree with forkedchain a smite?
Up for that?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Stadtfeger on June 18, 2014, 07:55:10 pm
don´t give other assets for nxtautodac!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will only makegood with jl777hodl, which is a "proxy" asset, meaning it gets its value from what it contains and not about its distribution.
These are my personal assets, so I really should be able to give them away to whomever I want to and I want to give them away to the investors, but few seem to be making claims...

you know it probably is not what happens then?

there are also some who have paid for jl777hodl 1.4 Nxt, I for example.

should I lose more? look at your nxtventure! I'm getting tired of your shit here!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jack Needles on June 18, 2014, 07:59:26 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
how does my personal jl777hodl asset distribution dilute yours?
I am using my personal holdings
plus jl777hodl is a "proxy" asset, its value is its contents, and wont change based on its distribution

please explain why you feel dilution?

Many will sell and price will go down.  Therefore dilution.

I own 49,000 jl77hodl assets, which were bought at 1.339, 1.34, and 1.37.  My sell order at will probably never get filled.

NXT-KHKB-6RCZ-FAWP-7E7H2

Perhaps I was mistaken in the management of this proxy fund.  Without dividends, I was under the impression that the asset issuer would maintain a price level that is reflective of the holdings value.  Your simply stating it has value because of what it holds is nonsense.  Can you answer in clearer terms why jl77hodl has value?  I feel like I'm left holding the bag on this one, and out a bunch of NXT.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 08:05:13 pm

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?

because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

in my book, people who behave like this are trash.  hope this answers your question

forkedchain,

I don't think it is ok. I agree with you that it is honorable to pay back part of the amount if you don't deliver. I would do so!

What I protest however is that you say he is a scammer, if he decides not to pay it back partly. It is not a scam. It is just poor performance. And I would not do business again with such person. And indeed I don't care if he spend it already. But I would not call him a scammer!

What is your definition of a scam?

no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.

What is your definition?  Have you never received the email from the Nigerian prince's uncle who asks for payment to deliver gold to you?  If you were to pay him he would not deliver shitty/tainted gold, he would deliver no gold.  this is a classic scam.

I cannot understand how you do not see the 1:1 analogy here.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 08:07:19 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
how does my personal jl777hodl asset distribution dilute yours?
I am using my personal holdings
plus jl777hodl is a "proxy" asset, its value is its contents, and wont change based on its distribution

please explain why you feel dilution?

Many will sell and price will go down.  Therefore dilution.

I own 49,000 jl77hodl assets, which were bought at 1.339, 1.34, and 1.37.  My sell order at will probably never get filled.

NXT-KHKB-6RCZ-FAWP-7E7H2

Perhaps I was mistaken in the management of this proxy fund.  Without dividends, I was under the impression that the asset issuer would maintain a price level that is reflective of the holdings value.  Your simply stating it has value because of what it holds is nonsense.  Can you answer in clearer terms why jl77hodl has value?  I feel like I'm left holding the bag on this one, and out a bunch of NXT.
There was a discussion of this elsewhere and if you really want to convert jl777hodl to what it contains, that can be accomodated. I am in the process of getting more liquidity and clearly recent events have not be kind to the prices, yesterday the jl777hodl value was 1.1

The largest one impacted by all this is madcow and I have sent him makegood even though he didnt request it after many of my requests.

I am sorry that you feel that my compulsion to compensate people will hurt your investment. I dont have the NXT to use and jl777hodl is the asset that will be impacted least by "dilution" because it is not being diluted. Granted short term if the people who get the makegood sell, it will depress the price, but that does not impact the value.

James

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 18, 2014, 08:07:53 pm
no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.

What is your definition?  Have you never received the email from the Nigerian prince's uncle who asks for payment to deliver gold to you?  If you were to pay him he would not deliver shitty/tainted gold, he would deliver no gold.  this is a classic scam.

I cannot understand how you do not see the 1:1 analogy here.

If anyone here doesn't want to see the obvious sense forkedchain is making, is simply because they don't want to see it.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 08:11:06 pm
forkedchain,

I don't think it is ok. I agree with you that it is honorable to pay back part of the amount if you don't deliver. I would do so!

What I protest however is that you say he is a scammer, if he decides not to pay it back partly. It is not a scam. It is just poor performance. And I would not do business again with such person. And indeed I don't care if he spend it already. But I would not call him a scammer!

What is your definition of a scam?

Hey johnson, why not hold a karma vote?
people who agree with you can give you karma and people that agree with forkedchain a smite?
Up for that?


On the karma you clearly win.

But so did Bernie Madoff. It does not prove much.


I have seen projects in Bitcoin fail before due to poor management.

Typically only a few will speak up while most ignore or mock them, blinded by the $$$ they believe they will make. Been there myself.

I can only point out the red flags and hope people take them into account.


The fact that you bring up such questionable proposal of a karma vote is another red flag for you.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 08:15:31 pm

 ???

Do you think I have low morals?

Why?

because you think its ok to keep money for completing a job even if you dont complete the job.  I will give that its possible that some could be kept, depending on the level of work done.  in this case that level is zero and you want to give bm1 a pass because he cashed it out.

in my book, people who behave like this are trash.  hope this answers your question

forkedchain,

I don't think it is ok. I agree with you that it is honorable to pay back part of the amount if you don't deliver. I would do so!

What I protest however is that you say he is a scammer, if he decides not to pay it back partly. It is not a scam. It is just poor performance. And I would not do business again with such person. And indeed I don't care if he spend it already. But I would not call him a scammer!

What is your definition of a scam?
Hey johnson, why not hold a karma vote?
people who agree with you can give you karma and people that agree with forkedchain a smite?
Up for that?

On the karma you clearly win.

But so did Bernie Madoff before it all collapsed.

I have seen many projects in Bitcoin fail.

Typically only a few will speak up while most ignore or mock them, blinded by the $$$ they believe they will make.

The fact that you bring up such useless proposal of a karma vote is another red flag for you.
I am not talking about comparing our karmas, just about using the karma system as a voting mechanism
its free, its fast and limit one per 24 hrs

my suggesting this karma vote is a red flag? you must see red flags everywhere you go
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: elktender on June 18, 2014, 08:19:57 pm

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/incredible-opportunity!/msg48551/#msg48551
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/incredible-opportunity!/msg48464/#msg48464
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Jack Needles on June 18, 2014, 08:45:40 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
how does my personal jl777hodl asset distribution dilute yours?
I am using my personal holdings
plus jl777hodl is a "proxy" asset, its value is its contents, and wont change based on its distribution

please explain why you feel dilution?

Many will sell and price will go down.  Therefore dilution.

I own 49,000 jl77hodl assets, which were bought at 1.339, 1.34, and 1.37.  My sell order at will probably never get filled.

NXT-KHKB-6RCZ-FAWP-7E7H2

Perhaps I was mistaken in the management of this proxy fund.  Without dividends, I was under the impression that the asset issuer would maintain a price level that is reflective of the holdings value.  Your simply stating it has value because of what it holds is nonsense.  Can you answer in clearer terms why jl77hodl has value?  I feel like I'm left holding the bag on this one, and out a bunch of NXT.
There was a discussion of this elsewhere and if you really want to convert jl777hodl to what it contains, that can be accomodated. I am in the process of getting more liquidity and clearly recent events have not be kind to the prices, yesterday the jl777hodl value was 1.1

The largest one impacted by all this is madcow and I have sent him makegood even though he didnt request it after many of my requests.

I am sorry that you feel that my compulsion to compensate people will hurt your investment. I dont have the NXT to use and jl777hodl is the asset that will be impacted least by "dilution" because it is not being diluted. Granted short term if the people who get the makegood sell, it will depress the price, but that does not impact the value.

James

Maybe I react too quickly -- too many interconnected assets that confuse.  Glad that you want to makegood.

With regards to jl777hodl:
* What is the process for reedeming jl777hodl for its constituent assets?
* Can this process be used for arbitrage when prices don't match value?
* What role do you play in this arbitrage?

thanks.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 08:50:01 pm
no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.

What is your definition?  Have you never received the email from the Nigerian prince's uncle who asks for payment to deliver gold to you?  If you were to pay him he would not deliver shitty/tainted gold, he would deliver no gold.  this is a classic scam.

I cannot understand how you do not see the 1:1 analogy here.

From the dictionary:
scam: a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people


Not delivering is not a scam. Not delivering may be due to many causes, incompetence, or bad management for example.

All depends on whether there was dishonesty or deception on the part of BM, not on whether he delivered or not.


So, no, it is not as clear cut as you present it.

What defines a scam is whether the person was dishonest or deceiving.

I don't have an opinion whether this was the case with BM, but I do suspect this with James.

But it's just an opinion, I am not running around here saying 'James is a scammer because he did not deliver and does not pay back!', which is my impression of you here.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 08:59:51 pm
...Not delivering is not a scam....

nobody said that. now, not delivering and also keeping the funds is though.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 09:01:55 pm
I am an irate investor of jl777hodl asset which now sees shares diluted by this 'giveaway'.
how does my personal jl777hodl asset distribution dilute yours?
I am using my personal holdings
plus jl777hodl is a "proxy" asset, its value is its contents, and wont change based on its distribution

please explain why you feel dilution?

Many will sell and price will go down.  Therefore dilution.

I own 49,000 jl77hodl assets, which were bought at 1.339, 1.34, and 1.37.  My sell order at will probably never get filled.

NXT-KHKB-6RCZ-FAWP-7E7H2

Perhaps I was mistaken in the management of this proxy fund.  Without dividends, I was under the impression that the asset issuer would maintain a price level that is reflective of the holdings value.  Your simply stating it has value because of what it holds is nonsense.  Can you answer in clearer terms why jl77hodl has value?  I feel like I'm left holding the bag on this one, and out a bunch of NXT.
There was a discussion of this elsewhere and if you really want to convert jl777hodl to what it contains, that can be accomodated. I am in the process of getting more liquidity and clearly recent events have not be kind to the prices, yesterday the jl777hodl value was 1.1

The largest one impacted by all this is madcow and I have sent him makegood even though he didnt request it after many of my requests.

I am sorry that you feel that my compulsion to compensate people will hurt your investment. I dont have the NXT to use and jl777hodl is the asset that will be impacted least by "dilution" because it is not being diluted. Granted short term if the people who get the makegood sell, it will depress the price, but that does not impact the value.

James

Maybe I react too quickly -- too many interconnected assets that confuse.  Glad that you want to makegood.

With regards to jl777hodl:
* What is the process for reedeming jl777hodl for its constituent assets?
* Can this process be used for arbitrage when prices don't match value?
* What role do you play in this arbitrage?

thanks.
I dont want this to be used for arbitraging as this process only works if the jl777hodl that is redeemed is sent to genesis acct.

The process is to contact me and work out the details,eg. timing, specific methods, etc.

my role in this is to verify that you did xfer to genesis and to MANUALLY send you the corresponding holdings.
Now some assets dont have decimals so fractions are a problem. I think to discourage usage of this method, I will just round down. So I think due to all the tx's needed and the fractional losses, arbitrage wont be so practical
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 09:05:31 pm
...Not delivering is not a scam....

nobody said that. now, not delivering and also keeping the funds is though.

Yes, you did:

no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.


Same for not delivering and not returning the money. It is not a scam perse. It depends again on whether there was dishonesty or deception.

Sorry we can't find common ground.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: farl4bit on June 18, 2014, 09:10:23 pm
BM just asked me on Skype my real name, otherwise he doesn't want to talk. I gave my real name, but he didn't.. He's talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets, but he doesn't dare to talk to me.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 18, 2014, 09:10:43 pm

Same for not delivering and not returning the money. It is not a scam perse. It depends again on whether there was dishonesty or deception.

Sorry we can't find common ground.

So what would you call it if you gave a builder a few hundred grand to build your house. A little while later the builder decides he doesn't want to build the house anymore and instead flies to the bahamas with your money?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 09:17:58 pm
...Not delivering is not a scam....

nobody said that. now, not delivering and also keeping the funds is though.

Yes, you did:

no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.


Same for not delivering and not returning the money. It is not a scam perse. It depends again on whether there was dishonesty or deception.

Sorry we can't find common ground.

uh, ok, and bm1 keeping the money after not delivering makes it a scam.  however, im not sorry for not finding common ground with you; I dont associate with people who think this is acceptable
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: instacash on June 18, 2014, 09:21:57 pm
BM just asked me on Skype my real name, otherwise he doesn't want to talk. I gave my real name, but he didn't.. He's talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets, but he doesn't dare to talk to me.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg

What a guy.

Last time I checked not only his name but pretty much all his private details were available on Bitcointalk.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Cassius on June 18, 2014, 09:27:24 pm
BM just asked me on Skype my real name, otherwise he doesn't want to talk. I gave my real name, but he didn't.. He's talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets, but he doesn't dare to talk to me.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg

What a guy.

Last time I checked not only his name but pretty much all his private details were available on Bitcointalk.

Whatever (wafer thin, barely visible side on) room there was for doubt, this pretty much kills it. Not cool.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 18, 2014, 09:37:52 pm
...Not delivering is not a scam....

nobody said that. now, not delivering and also keeping the funds is though.

Yes, you did:

no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.


Same for not delivering and not returning the money. It is not a scam perse. It depends again on whether there was dishonesty or deception.

Sorry we can't find common ground.

uh, ok, and bm1 keeping the money after not delivering makes it a scam.  however, im not sorry for not finding common ground with you; I dont associate with people who think this is acceptable

You are putting words in my mouth, I do not find BM his position acceptable, I would ask for part of my money back too, I do however question you calling him a scammer, and how you do not make James equally responsible.

Feeling sad our connection broke :(
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: forkedchain on June 18, 2014, 09:51:10 pm
You are putting words in my mouth, I do not find BM his position acceptable, I would ask for part of my money back too, I do however question you calling him a scammer, and how you do not make James equally responsible.

Feeling sad our connection broke :(

sure you would ask for your money back, then what if he refuses?  is everything all hunkey dorey???

in the case of the 1M NXT, to whom is james responsible?  only to james.  so that is between james and james.
in the case of the 1M NXT, to whom is bm1 responsible?

Or are you really saying this is all james' fault for giving the 1M NXT in the first place, before payment is sent? ? ? ?

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: FearTheReaper on June 18, 2014, 09:54:26 pm
...Not delivering is not a scam....

nobody said that. now, not delivering and also keeping the funds is though.

Yes, you did:

no, poor performance would be delivering shitty/buggy code.  he delivered nothing.  this is THE definition (not mine) of a scam.


Same for not delivering and not returning the money. It is not a scam perse. It depends again on whether there was dishonesty or deception.

Sorry we can't find common ground.

uh, ok, and bm1 keeping the money after not delivering makes it a scam.  however, im not sorry for not finding common ground with you; I dont associate with people who think this is acceptable

You are putting words in my mouth, I do not find BM his position acceptable, I would ask for part of my money back too, I do however question you calling him a scammer, and how you do not make James equally responsible.

Feeling sad our connection broke :(
why are you two arguing semantics,

James didn't do his due diligence and BM took money intended to develop DACs. Both have blame, but differing levels of it.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 18, 2014, 09:56:48 pm
Both have blame, but differing levels of it.

Yeah, as similar as the guy who falls for a well staged scam IPO and the IPO scammer.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 18, 2014, 10:34:25 pm
Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 11:02:45 pm
Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
I hope I addressed the issues. In time this will be a memory, but in time assets will be generating dividends which creates its value and prices will oscillate around this value.

I wont waste anymore time on the bm, I have shown the PM that in conjunction with my skyping with him convinced me he was legit. I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned and I am doing my best to minimize damage to direct investors and also NXTventure holders. I believe my solution with jl777hodl makegood is the best and I look forward to putting this issue totally behind me and getting back to coding

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 18, 2014, 11:14:12 pm
I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned (…)

This goes for most investors in NXTautoDAC, I'm sure.

Let's move things forward.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 18, 2014, 11:27:25 pm

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm


Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
I hope I addressed the issues. In time this will be a memory, but in time assets will be generating dividends which creates its value and prices will oscillate around this value.

I wont waste anymore time on the bm, I have shown the PM that in conjunction with my skyping with him convinced me he was legit. I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned and I am doing my best to minimize damage to direct investors and also NXTventure holders. I believe my solution with jl777hodl makegood is the best and I look forward to putting this issue totally behind me and getting back to coding

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 18, 2014, 11:30:10 pm
I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned (…)

This goes for most investors in NXTautoDAC, I'm sure.

Let's move things forward.

Agreed, I am done with this. The price is stable but only because we have not been spending our time promoting multigateway   ;D ;D ;D let's get to it
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: valarmg on June 18, 2014, 11:35:21 pm

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm

You paid him back?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 18, 2014, 11:38:35 pm

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm

The cynicism, it hurts.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Daedelus on June 18, 2014, 11:42:32 pm
BM felt the thread was dying so here we go again ::)

Yawn and bye.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 18, 2014, 11:45:34 pm

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm


Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
I hope I addressed the issues. In time this will be a memory, but in time assets will be generating dividends which creates its value and prices will oscillate around this value.

I wont waste anymore time on the bm, I have shown the PM that in conjunction with my skyping with him convinced me he was legit. I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned and I am doing my best to minimize damage to direct investors and also NXTventure holders. I believe my solution with jl777hodl makegood is the best and I look forward to putting this issue totally behind me and getting back to coding

James
When you pay back 1 million NXT or deliver working NXTautoDACs, then we will be settled.

I have offered a bounty to anybody that can collect from you via legal means will get to keep whatever they get, but I wont waste anymore time with somebody that seriously believes (or says they believe) that they can accept 1 million NXT and not deliver anything for it. Not to mention all the lies about me and NXT, but I digress.

We have no legal binding contract. I trusted you to be honorable. We had a binding social contract based on our honor, 1 million NXT and NXTautoDAC assets. Your PGP signed post promoting NXTautoDAC directly supports the asset description that you so vehemently deny you understood. Your PGP post sure looks like you understood it. You breached by publicly resigning with the post calling all of us criminals and also privately to me via skype. If you want caselaw that shows that it is not necessary to formally submit an "I resign" document to effectuate a defacto resignation, I can, but why bother you will come up with some other excuse.

This is your honor being displayed for all to see. Good luck with your future in crypto where a person's reputation and honor are really all we have. To hide behind legalities and contracts, etc. and totally ignoring the ethical and moral aspects is so anti-crypto it makes me sad. Now nobody will believe your confidence chains has any merit, even if they do.

A handshake deal is not about finding the loophole to take advantage of like you think. It is about doing what is right. While this cost me 1 million NXT of NXTventure capital, it will end up costing you your future in crypto. I cant officially banish you from NXT, but I doubt you will have many supporters outside of Johnson here. You could have made much more long term than this short sighted thing you are doing, unless of course you cant actually code and have only technical writing skills.

You have also proved that being anonymous or not is irrelevant, this is an expensive lesson that I have learned.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 12:00:47 am
I notice there are still bids for NXTautoDAC. I will not pay any makegood for NXTautoDAC purchased after my post yesterday about the makegood. Unless these are bids by johnson who believes bm will complete NXTautoDAC, I suggest to remove them

Again, after I am done with the makegoods, I will not support NXTautoDAC so its only value would be what bm provides

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: PSA on June 19, 2014, 12:12:04 am
BM just asked me on Skype my real name, otherwise he doesn't want to talk. I gave my real name, but he didn't.. He's talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets, but he doesn't dare to talk to me.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg

What a guy.

Last time I checked not only his name but pretty much all his private details were available on Bitcointalk.

This a Public service announcement to the valuable members of this community who make nxt what it is today. I am a long term NXT member and I wanted to distance myself from this controversy as possible that is why i created this account, but I fee as though I need to point out what is happening in light of the continues destructive behavior in the community. Has no one asked themselves why is my real name important in order to communicate and harsh out details? Do you know what NXT and cryptocurrencies in general represent to the status quo especially in light of the recent launch of the asset exchange????  Do you think it is probable that masters of the alphabet soup organisations would seem necessary to kill the baby in the craddle by employing various tactics..Have you considered that these new disruptive members might actually have an agenda? Just something to think about my friends, if you are not convinced take a quick read:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/conspiracy-theory-true-agents-infiltrate-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d
http://www.projectcensored.org/gchq-agents-infiltrate-websites-destroy-reputations-manipulate-deceive/

there is also a Reddit thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1yug45/glenn_greenwald_how_covert_agents_infiltrate_the/

be careful my friends, build and flourish. Most of all your anonymity is your protection while you build a new world..I sincerely hope  farl4bit and nxtforum.org is or will not be compromised (by any of ther document painful methods) in the future sucking all the internal data to the alphabet headquarters
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 12:27:32 am

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm


Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
I hope I addressed the issues. In time this will be a memory, but in time assets will be generating dividends which creates its value and prices will oscillate around this value.

I wont waste anymore time on the bm, I have shown the PM that in conjunction with my skyping with him convinced me he was legit. I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned and I am doing my best to minimize damage to direct investors and also NXTventure holders. I believe my solution with jl777hodl makegood is the best and I look forward to putting this issue totally behind me and getting back to coding

James
When you pay back 1 million NXT or deliver working NXTautoDACs, then we will be settled.

I have offered a bounty to anybody that can collect from you via legal means will get to keep whatever they get, but I wont waste anymore time with somebody that seriously believes (or says they believe) that they can accept 1 million NXT and not deliver anything for it. Not to mention all the lies about me and NXT, but I digress.

We have no legal binding contract. I trusted you to be honorable. We had a binding social contract based on our honor, 1 million NXT and NXTautoDAC assets. Your PGP signed post promoting NXTautoDAC directly supports the asset description that you so vehemently deny you understood. Your PGP post sure looks like you understood it. You breached by publicly resigning with the post calling all of us criminals and also privately to me via skype. If you want caselaw that shows that it is not necessary to formally submit an "I resign" document to effectuate a defacto resignation, I can, but why bother you will come up with some other excuse.

This is your honor being displayed for all to see. Good luck with your future in crypto where a person's reputation and honor are really all we have. To hide behind legalities and contracts, etc. and totally ignoring the ethical and moral aspects is so anti-crypto it makes me sad. Now nobody will believe your confidence chains has any merit, even if they do.

A handshake deal is not about finding the loophole to take advantage of like you think. It is about doing what is right. While this cost me 1 million NXT of NXTventure capital, it will end up costing you your future in crypto. I cant officially banish you from NXT, but I doubt you will have many supporters outside of Johnson here. You could have made much more long term than this short sighted thing you are doing, unless of course you cant actually code and have only technical writing skills.

You have also proved that being anonymous or not is irrelevant, this is an expensive lesson that I have learned.

James


in that case James I have considered contacting the SEC regarding the scams youre running.


-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 12:29:05 am
I think the best thing for you to do at this point is to clear my involvements with your schemes and move on.

It's without a doubt the best option for you.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 12:43:01 am

are we settled here James?

all you need to say is all debts are settled in writing, on this forum, and we will have no more issues.

then we can all concentrate on being personally productive.

-bm


Here we go again…  :-\
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxtautodac-thread/msg48477/

BTW, James… This concerns more ppl, unfortunately.
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtventure-the-way-for-the-most-promising-enterprises-to-get-ae-listing/msg48703/
I hope I addressed the issues. In time this will be a memory, but in time assets will be generating dividends which creates its value and prices will oscillate around this value.

I wont waste anymore time on the bm, I have shown the PM that in conjunction with my skyping with him convinced me he was legit. I saw his confidence chains, BCT discussions and I was fooled into believing that real world identity can substitute for forum actions. Lesson learned and I am doing my best to minimize damage to direct investors and also NXTventure holders. I believe my solution with jl777hodl makegood is the best and I look forward to putting this issue totally behind me and getting back to coding

James
When you pay back 1 million NXT or deliver working NXTautoDACs, then we will be settled.

I have offered a bounty to anybody that can collect from you via legal means will get to keep whatever they get, but I wont waste anymore time with somebody that seriously believes (or says they believe) that they can accept 1 million NXT and not deliver anything for it. Not to mention all the lies about me and NXT, but I digress.

We have no legal binding contract. I trusted you to be honorable. We had a binding social contract based on our honor, 1 million NXT and NXTautoDAC assets. Your PGP signed post promoting NXTautoDAC directly supports the asset description that you so vehemently deny you understood. Your PGP post sure looks like you understood it. You breached by publicly resigning with the post calling all of us criminals and also privately to me via skype. If you want caselaw that shows that it is not necessary to formally submit an "I resign" document to effectuate a defacto resignation, I can, but why bother you will come up with some other excuse.

This is your honor being displayed for all to see. Good luck with your future in crypto where a person's reputation and honor are really all we have. To hide behind legalities and contracts, etc. and totally ignoring the ethical and moral aspects is so anti-crypto it makes me sad. Now nobody will believe your confidence chains has any merit, even if they do.

A handshake deal is not about finding the loophole to take advantage of like you think. It is about doing what is right. While this cost me 1 million NXT of NXTventure capital, it will end up costing you your future in crypto. I cant officially banish you from NXT, but I doubt you will have many supporters outside of Johnson here. You could have made much more long term than this short sighted thing you are doing, unless of course you cant actually code and have only technical writing skills.

You have also proved that being anonymous or not is irrelevant, this is an expensive lesson that I have learned.

James


in that case James I have considered contacting the SEC regarding the scams youre running.


-bm
Your honor compels you to threaten me with your govt's agency?

SEC usually follows the money so good luck with the SEC and IRS and what not from your friendly usa govt. Since the amount involved is more than $10000 I think that is the threshold for FBI involvement. Since you opened this door, now it is possible some forum members will pursue it actively.

Maybe SEC will strongarm Argentina's govt to do something? Maybe they will follow the money and conclude that you are the one that benefited from all this. I will gladly give back all profits from this, oh, I already did with the makegood. What about you? You can pay me back now or pay it to the SEC. Your PGP post will surely convince them they should collect from you.

Now that I think about it alarm bells should have gone off when you pitched the identical vcorps idea to the techdev AFTER I had already said I would fund it from NXTcommunityfunds. At the time I thought it was due to my delay from being unavailable that made you impatient. Now I realize it was simple double dipping, which at the time I couldnt comprehend anybody doing in such a public way.

James

makegood txids:
18341909808697308951
17665824130547235571
13461841818407990499
15353463305382846389
5417304635451705638
14208953714624565526
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 19, 2014, 12:46:57 am
James, whom should i contact now? You or noash?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 12:48:54 am
James, whom should i contact now? You or noash?
noashh is offline, so just PM me the details
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 12:52:42 am
I am not concerned about the SEC.  If someone puts your name on something anonymously this doesn't make you liable.

here's what the effects of contacting the SEC will be.

1) jl777 will receive precisely no funds.

2) I might get a visit from some not so fun characters.

3) every single person in this forum including Darkhorse and noash may end up in a legal situation.

4) anyone who was involved who is identifiable will end up with legal problems.

5) the people who stole 200 BTC might be investigated.

6) John Maglaviti, who unlike me, WAS fundraising in the AE would probably end up with some significant liabilities.

7) NXT would be permanently in on the SEC radar.

if you think the US doesn't have the power to extradite you, hassle you, and shut you down, see Liberty Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve).


so call away.


meanwhile behind door #2 lies a peaceful and prosperous future for all.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 19, 2014, 12:56:52 am
in that case James I have considered contacting the SEC regarding the scams youre running.

That's funny. When you do, don't forget to tell them that you stole close to $80,000 dollars?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 01:03:31 am
if James does what is right and settles all dispute officially, I will put this entire episode down permanently.

It only requires a small and simple admission from James that I owe him nothing.

I will also delete the past few messages re. SEC.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 01:06:47 am
I am not concerned about the SEC.  If someone puts your name on something anonymously this doesn't make you liable.

here's what the effects of contacting the SEC will be.

1) jl777 will receive precisely no funds.

2) I might get a visit from some not so fun characters.

3) every single person in this forum including Darkhorse and noash may end up in a legal situation.

4) anyone who was involved who is identifiable will end up with legal problems.

5) the people who stole 200 BTC might be investigated.

6) John Maglaviti, who unlike me, WAS fundraising in the AE would probably end up with some significant liabilities.

7) NXT would be permanently in on the SEC radar.

if you think the US doesn't have the power to extradite you, hassle you, and shut you down, see Liberty Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve).


so call away.


meanwhile behind door #2 lies a peaceful and prosperous future for all.

-bm
The fact that you are not concerned about SEC indicates to me that maybe you are working for them or some other related agency. OK, that explains a lot. Thanks!

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: VanBreuk on June 19, 2014, 01:08:12 am
I will also delete the past few messages re. SEC.

Regular members don't have permission to delete posts in this forum.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 01:11:00 am

The fact that you are not concerned about SEC indicates to me that maybe you are working for them or some other related agency. OK, that explains a lot. Thanks!

James


the solution is incredibly simple here James.  You need to put down your pride, and accept the fact that I owe you nothing and make it clear to everyone here who you attempted to turn against me.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 01:15:09 am
if James does what is right and settles all dispute officially, I will put this entire episode down permanently.

It only requires a small and simple admission from James that I owe him nothing.

I will also delete the past few messages re. SEC.

-bm
I thought "bm" stood for something else, not "blackmail"

How many people did you hire for your team with the 1 million NXT? I approved the deal partly based on you telling me you will hire a team of coders to work on this. Did you even recruit anybody? It seems clearer and clearer that you never intended to get anything done.

I will state officially that you dont directly owe jl777 (James) anything, but you do owe 1 million NXT to NXTventure and indirectly all NXTventure asset holders.

I will also state unofficially that your future in NXT and most likely all crypto is over. However I bet you can convince johnson to help with your new projects. He seems to think its just fine to keep the 1 million NXT without delivering anything.

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 01:18:58 am

The fact that you are not concerned about SEC indicates to me that maybe you are working for them or some other related agency. OK, that explains a lot. Thanks!

James


the solution is incredibly simple here James.  You need to put down your pride, and accept the fact that I owe you nothing and make it clear to everyone here who you attempted to turn against me.

-bm
I didnt turn them against you, even after your BCT posts about NXT being worthless and such I posted my hopes that you just needed a vacation. Then when you called all of NXT criminals, I took that as a resignation as does any reasonable person.

In your world, maybe quitting when people are counting on you is normal, but around here people take their commitments seriously. THAT is what turned people against you.

James

P.S. I am too busy to engage this nonsense, so my not responding to your posts will only indicate that I feel it is even more nonsense and not tacit approval.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 19, 2014, 01:19:50 am
BM,

Let us see what the law will have to say about someone that took away the investor's money channeled to you through James.

1.) You received the fund. Proof - transaction id.

2.) You received the fund when the asset was issued. You did not say anything out to the public. The Nxtautodac thread was here. You could have said something if you were indeed HONEST. Yet you happily kept the money. So what does the law will tell you about this? That you have clear intention of cheating.

3.) No signs of work has been done except those threads in Nxtautodac issue only via writting.

4.) You spent the money but not the asset given to you by James. James will be able to prove that the money and the assets was transferred after the sales of the assets. If you were honest like you said, you would have kept both but no you spend the money but kept the asset. Does not make sense.

5.) Even all this issue was only found out after your ranting and abusing in btt after we asked what was happening. You did not make any announcement about any of your problem or suspicions or whatever you call it. How do you call this honest. This will be considered as what? 

6.) James as the asset issuer IS taking responsibility. I am not saying he is not to be blamed. But the only thing to blame James is that he gave you 1 mil nxt and 300k assets upfront without any proof of work. Even this have proof of the transaction.

You see at this point, you don't really have any case. If the lawman from USA wants to pay a visit me in Malaysia. No problem. You, my friend will have a lot to answer than me.




I am not concerned about the SEC.  If someone puts your name on something anonymously this doesn't make you liable.

here's what the effects of contacting the SEC will be.

1) jl777 will receive precisely no funds.

2) I might get a visit from some not so fun characters.

3) every single person in this forum including Darkhorse and noash may end up in a legal situation.

4) anyone who was involved who is identifiable will end up with legal problems.

5) the people who stole 200 BTC might be investigated.

6) John Maglaviti, who unlike me, WAS fundraising in the AE would probably end up with some significant liabilities.

7) NXT would be permanently in on the SEC radar.

if you think the US doesn't have the power to extradite you, hassle you, and shut you down, see Liberty Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve).


so call away.


meanwhile behind door #2 lies a peaceful and prosperous future for all.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 01:19:59 am
I have no outstanding debts with you, your company, NXTVenture, or NXTVenture asset holders.

you need to confirm this openly and clearly.

I guarantee you as a result your life will improve considerably.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Tosch110 on June 19, 2014, 01:23:52 am
I have no outstanding debts with you, your company, NXTVenture, or NXTVenture asset holders.

you need to confirm this openly and clearly.

I guarantee you as a result your life will improve considerably.

-bm

O.o I cannot believe seeing you threaten other people even if you have received huge amounts of money from them.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 19, 2014, 01:30:28 am
I have no outstanding debts with you, your company, NXTVenture, or NXTVenture asset holders.

you need to confirm this openly and clearly.

I guarantee you as a result your life will improve considerably.


F you dude. You stole the money. Everyone knows your real name and your address. Stop posting threats.



Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 01:36:09 am
every threat you make brings us one step closer to the reality of a NXT convention in a courthouse.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 19, 2014, 01:38:12 am
every threat you make brings us one step closer to the reality of a NXT convention in a courthouse.

Yeah, right.

Yawn

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 19, 2014, 01:38:22 am
This is hard to believe. At this point, it's less an issue of honor or even of criminality. This person has a medical issue, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. There is truly something wrong with his mind. I'm not a medical expert, but I suspect that continuing to engage him will only let him go further "into his disease," as my friend would say.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Voluntold on June 19, 2014, 01:41:43 am
This is hard to believe. At this point, it's less an issue of honor or even of criminality. This person has a medical issue, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. There is truly something wrong with his mind. I'm not a medical expert, but I suspect that continuing to engage him will only let him go further "into his disease," as my friend would say.

Yeah, it's called sociopathy.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 19, 2014, 01:42:34 am
(http://i.imgur.com/jHyuzum.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qgfAIg8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZbuQ8Fe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/B05lZwj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/3gtmqgL.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/AAx2Cb1.jpg)
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Johnson on June 19, 2014, 01:44:33 am
I am not concerned about the SEC.  If someone puts your name on something anonymously this doesn't make you liable.

here's what the effects of contacting the SEC will be.

1) jl777 will receive precisely no funds.

2) I might get a visit from some not so fun characters.

3) every single person in this forum including Darkhorse and noash may end up in a legal situation.

4) anyone who was involved who is identifiable will end up with legal problems.

5) the people who stole 200 BTC might be investigated.

6) John Maglaviti, who unlike me, WAS fundraising in the AE would probably end up with some significant liabilities.

7) NXT would be permanently in on the SEC radar.

if you think the US doesn't have the power to extradite you, hassle you, and shut you down, see Liberty Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve).


so call away.


meanwhile behind door #2 lies a peaceful and prosperous future for all.

-bm

You are starting to freak me out man.

Threatening all forum members.  ::)


James tries to link me with you, but I have no warm feelings towards you, nor him.

I wouldn't deal with neither of you.

I'll stick with NXTventure!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: sparta_cuss on June 19, 2014, 01:45:01 am
This is hard to believe. At this point, it's less an issue of honor or even of criminality. This person has a medical issue, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. There is truly something wrong with his mind. I'm not a medical expert, but I suspect that continuing to engage him will only let him go further "into his disease," as my friend would say.

Yeah, it's called sociopathy.

msin called this thread his "trophy," right? Seems like that's an astute assessment of this theater of the absurd.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Eadeqa on June 19, 2014, 01:46:01 am
This is hard to believe. At this point, it's less an issue of honor or even of criminality. This person has a medical issue, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic.

I agree, and reading through his past posts, this guy never had technical skills to finish a project.

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: apenzl on June 19, 2014, 01:56:07 am
I PM'ed Noashh.

As I posted yesterday I will protect investors by providing credits based on what you paid for it or 13 NXT which was yesterday's price before all this. I suggest to suspend trading of NXTautoDAC, if bm wants to actually write code then he is free to create a market with the assets he still has, but after the make good, I will have no more to do with NXTautoDAC or bm, it is just a waste of my precious time.

noashh has volunteered to be the pointman for processing the claims. Please provide the number of NXTautoDAC assets you had as of yesterday, all relevant txids, how much you paid, etc. and what amount of credit you calculate. I will try to honor what you feel is the right amount for the claim, but please use the 13 NXT price as the amount per asset. You can also calculate an extra amount for any difference from 13NXT that I will use to give you allocation of future NXTventure assets. I hope this makes sense. I have already paid out the 1 million via NXTventure and in order not to hurt NXTventure from this "NXTventure" mistake, I am taking personal responsibility for having too much faith in a long time BCT member. I do not have the NXT to use for the makegood, so it will have to be in the form of assets and jl777hodl is the most horizontal asset that spans not only my assets but many others and I feel it is the best way to fund the makegood. If you have a preference for any other asset, just let noashh know and i will see what i can do. The sooner we can all get this behind us the better, so please get your claims in before Friday. I will try to get this all done by this weekend or early next week at the latest.

I am definitely feeling the pain from this and will definitely make changes in any future asset issuances.

Good night, sockpuppets. Let's talk Nxt tomorrow.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: jl777 on June 19, 2014, 02:02:48 am
I am temporarily out of jl777hodl from sending the makegoods

I had to liquidate some things to get some NXT and I put in an above market bid for 80000 jl777hodl
Can somebody fill at least part of my bid please?

James
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 19, 2014, 02:07:46 am
should REMOVED pay back what was stolen within 24 hours beginning now, i am going to delete all public information that was posted about him on Bitcointalk. unfortunately i can not take my initial call to the fbi back, thank u for ur understanding.

bluemeanie1, 24 hours. beginning now.

just a reminder, time is running

1M NXT to be paid back until the deadline June 18, 2014, 11:23:26 pm

bluemeanie1, should u need more time just let me know.

i find its ur right to have more time should u need it to acquire the required fundings to pay back what u unrightfully took.

if u feel the need to extend the final deadline to 48 hours in total, request here.

~CfA~

time's up! u had the chance but instead u wanted to play the nifty boy.  i am not going to delete any public information of U.


every threat you make brings us one step closer to the reality of a NXT convention in a courthouse.

-bm

talkin' about ruined reputation. a google search brings me to ur scamming activities first page. not cool, not cool.

good luck with ur life dude, i wouldnt want to be in ur skin [overall obviously]

hope u will have a lot more fun in the future

~CfA~
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 02:13:49 am
I HIGHLY SUGGEST JAMES THAT YOU DECLARE THIS DEBT SETTLED.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 19, 2014, 02:16:50 am
Do you have any idea how much damage you are causing here?   And do you have any idea what will happen as a result of that?

I will not be extorted.  I will not be threatened.

If these messages are not taken down legal action will be the result.

James- you need to make it clear to this public that I owe you, and all the shareholders of all your schemes precisely NOTHING.

-bm
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: MadCow on June 19, 2014, 02:19:46 am
I am temporarily out of jl777hodl from sending the makegoods

I had to liquidate some things to get some NXT and I put in an above market bid for 80000 jl777hodl
Can somebody fill at least part of my bid please?

James

50K filled
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 19, 2014, 02:21:03 am
Do you have any idea how much damage you are causing here?   And do you have any idea what will happen as a result of that?

I will not be extorted.  I will not be threatened.

If these messages are not taken down legal action will be the result.

James- you need to make it clear to this public that I owe you, and all the shareholders of all your schemes precisely NOTHING.

-bm

u are boring dude, shut the F up and leave this site. u chose to F ur reputation now dont annoy me. god, what an idiot ROFL
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Come-from-Above1 on June 19, 2014, 02:24:21 am
Do you have any idea how much damage you are causing here?   And do you have any idea what will happen as a result of that?

I will not be extorted.  I will not be threatened.

If these messages are not taken down legal action will be the result.

James- you need to make it clear to this public that I owe you, and all the shareholders of all your schemes precisely NOTHING.

-bm

u are boring dude, shut the F up and leave this site. u chose to F ur reputation now dont annoy me. god, what an idiot ROFL


when will u finally realize ur idiotic pride and threats were shooting u back right in the head?

there is nobody here who has any duty to even talk with u whatsoever


good luck coming to the Ukraine for a lawsuit against me and the public information i rightfully posted about u little nasty scammer boy
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: FearTheReaper on June 19, 2014, 02:41:18 am
Do you have any idea how much damage you are causing here?   And do you have any idea what will happen as a result of that?

I will not be extorted.  I will not be threatened.

If these messages are not taken down legal action will be the result.

James- you need to make it clear to this public that I owe you, and all the shareholders of all your schemes precisely NOTHING.

-bm

u are boring dude, shut the F up and leave this site. u chose to F ur reputation now dont annoy me. god, what an idiot ROFL


when will u finally realize ur idiotic pride and threats were shooting u back right in the head?

there is nobody here who has any duty to even talk with u whatsoever


good luck coming to the Ukraine for a lawsuit against me and the public information i rightfully posted about u little nasty scammer boy

you got a better chance of the russians coming! too soon? all in fun..
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: prometheus on June 19, 2014, 04:18:40 am
Alright I think it's time to stop engaging this guy. If anything was going to happen, it would have by now. This back and forth shit talk is doing more harm than good
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on June 19, 2014, 04:37:13 am
Do you have any idea how much damage you are causing here?   And do you have any idea what will happen as a result of that?

I will not be extorted.  I will not be threatened.

If these messages are not taken down legal action will be the result.

James- you need to make it clear to this public that I owe you, and all the shareholders of all your schemes precisely NOTHING.

-bm

(http://imgur.com/VKtJB1o.gif)

ROFL!
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Evan on June 19, 2014, 05:03:59 am
BM just asked me on Skype my real name, otherwise he doesn't want to talk. I gave my real name, but he didn't.. He's talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets, but he doesn't dare to talk to me.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg (http://i59.tinypic.com/2prikc9.jpg)
http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg (http://i58.tinypic.com/f0t0fd.jpg)
http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg (http://i62.tinypic.com/213qft2.jpg)

What a guy.

Last time I checked not only his name but pretty much all his private details were available on Bitcointalk.

This a Public service announcement to the valuable members of this community who make nxt what it is today. I am a long term NXT member and I wanted to distance myself from this controversy as possible that is why i created this account, but I fee as though I need to point out what is happening in light of the continues destructive behavior in the community. Has no one asked themselves why is my real name important in order to communicate and harsh out details? Do you know what NXT and cryptocurrencies in general represent to the status quo especially in light of the recent launch of the asset exchange? ???  Do you think it is probable that masters of the alphabet soup organisations would seem necessary to kill the baby in the craddle by employing various tactics..Have you considered that these new disruptive members might actually have an agenda? Just something to think about my friends, if you are not convinced take a quick read:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/conspiracy-theory-true-agents-infiltrate-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/conspiracy-theory-true-agents-infiltrate-websites-intending-manipulate-deceive-and-d)
http://www.projectcensored.org/gchq-agents-infiltrate-websites-destroy-reputations-manipulate-deceive/ (http://www.projectcensored.org/gchq-agents-infiltrate-websites-destroy-reputations-manipulate-deceive/)

there is also a Reddit thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1yug45/glenn_greenwald_how_covert_agents_infiltrate_the/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1yug45/glenn_greenwald_how_covert_agents_infiltrate_the/)

be careful my friends, build and flourish. Most of all your anonymity is your protection while you build a new world..I sincerely hope  farl4bit and nxtforum.org is or will not be compromised (by any of ther document painful methods) in the future sucking all the internal data to the alphabet headquarters

This!


bm keeps talking about the Nxt community being anonymous sockpuppets and wants the community members to talk to him with their real id on skype.  There is a reason. Most likely he is trying to collect information about the community members. Be careful, don't fall into the trap.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: DoM P on June 19, 2014, 05:36:56 am
I am not concerned about the SEC.  If someone puts your name on something anonymously this doesn't make you liable.

here's what the effects of contacting the SEC will be.

1) jl777 will receive precisely no funds.

2) I might get a visit from some not so fun characters.

3) every single person in this forum including Darkhorse and noash may end up in a legal situation.

4) anyone who was involved who is identifiable will end up with legal problems.

5) the people who stole 200 BTC might be investigated.

6) John Maglaviti, who unlike me, WAS fundraising in the AE would probably end up with some significant liabilities.

7) NXT would be permanently in on the SEC radar.

if you think the US doesn't have the power to extradite you, hassle you, and shut you down, see Liberty Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve).


so call away.


meanwhile behind door #2 lies a peaceful and prosperous future for all.

-bm

OK, Meanie this is it.
I didn't participate up to this point but you don't know when to stop, do you?
You've just blown it, now. Threats to everybody, you like it?

Now is time to leave James alone. He made a mistake, and is paying for it. You made a mistake, and are going to pay for it.

I am asking the community here for agreement on a plan:
We could raise funds from the AE. I could create an asset BringBluemeanieToCourt.
Once enough money is raised that way, we hire a lawyer and get his ass in court.

This is assuming he is indeed Joshua Zeidner and didn't steal that identity, which is entirely possible.
Either way, it would be interesting to know.
We could end-up learning this guy is from the SEC to start with, which could be fun, at some point, because illegal activities have taken place here.

Forum admins: Is it possible to retrace BM IPs and check that at least some on them come from Phoenix?

Forum members: Is this plan OK with you? Would you buy some of these assets knowing the only dividend you'd get would be to see BM in legal trouble?

The-Lawyer-of-NXT: I want to check this out with you. Is this plan legal?
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 19, 2014, 05:50:58 am

I strongly recommend googling the term 'psychopathic behaviour'

It is not possible to engage in any productive discussion with such characters.

IGNORE!


www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on June 19, 2014, 06:28:54 am

I strongly recommend googling the term 'psychopathic behaviour'

It is not possible to engage in any productive discussion with such characters.

IGNORE!


www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Don't give him the excuse that he's a psychopath.

I strongly recommend googling the term 'JACKASS'
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: LocoMB on June 19, 2014, 07:00:30 am

I strongly recommend googling the term 'psychopathic behaviour'

It is not possible to engage in any productive discussion with such characters.

IGNORE!


www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Don't give him the excuse that he's a psychopath.

I strongly recommend googling the term 'JACKASS'

yes, but my point is that it is not possible to have a meaningful conversation with such characters.

it is a waste of time. of YOUR time, not of theirs. they FEED on this, and you are doing them a favour by wasting your time. do you want that?

so don't do it, regardless of the name you put on it.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: shin on June 19, 2014, 07:00:59 am

I strongly recommend googling the term 'psychopathic behaviour'

It is not possible to engage in any productive discussion with such characters.

IGNORE!


www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Don't give him the excuse that he's a psychopath.

I strongly recommend googling the term 'JACKASS'
Hahahahaha...
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on June 19, 2014, 07:03:20 am

I strongly recommend googling the term 'psychopathic behaviour'

It is not possible to engage in any productive discussion with such characters.

IGNORE!


www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

Don't give him the excuse that he's a psychopath.

I strongly recommend googling the term 'JACKASS'

yes, but my point is that it is not possible to have a meaningful conversation with such characters.

it is a waste of time. of YOUR time, not of theirs. they FEED on this, and you are doing them a favour by wasting your time. do you want that?

so don't do it, regardless of the name you put on it.

That's true.  I agree with that.
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Darkhorse on June 19, 2014, 07:06:09 am
Dear Admin,

I suggest we have a thread for bad reputation developers sort of a Nxt Blacklisted. Update details there with the case history. This is for us to have a future references on this particular developer and everyone would be aware.

Regarding this asset, i am done. Time to move on. 
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: chanc3r on June 19, 2014, 07:44:28 am
Dear Admin,

I suggest we have a thread for bad reputation developers sort of a Nxt Blacklisted. Update details there with the case history. This is for us to have a future references on this particular developer and everyone would be aware.

Regarding this asset, i am done. Time to move on.

+1 Can we have a SCAM and SCAMMERS Board and move pollution like this there...

"Its time to take out the trash"
Title: Re: NXTautoDAC - all of bluemeanie's automated profit making blockchain companies
Post by: Damelon on June 19, 2014, 08:39:45 am
We are closing this thread.
All things seem to be said and there is little to nothing to be gained by repeating our positions.

The administration of the forum will make a statement on our own behalf on these issues in general (as they will crop up more often, I am sure) later in the day.

Feel free to PM us with concerns, questions or comments.

Kind regards,

On behalf of forum staff,

Damelon
elective-stereophonic
elective-stereophonic
assembly
assembly