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FreeMarket is a project that has been underway for a long time. With my workload it was decided that it would be best to have somebody else do the non-web part and blackyblack1 stepped up to fill this role. PoofKnuckle has been working all these months to get the HTML side done and now with SuperNET gearing up, it is a good time to finally issue the asset.

20% of FreeMarket listing fees will go to SuperNET.

NXTventure is the issuer and the assetid is 134138275353332190 a NXTventure dividend of 1 Freemarket for each 10 NXTventure will be sent out this Thursday based on 1400 GMT assuming valarmg can confirm this. The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time. This project is not completed yet, but with a beta release available for people to evaluate it with, it should be possible to make an informed decision as to the potential number of listings.

With the 80% of listing fees being 6.216 NXT, every 160,000 listings will create 1 million NXT of dividends.

The following is a description for FreeMarket:

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FreeMarket is built, and ready for beta testers!

The front-end is HTML and JavaScript, and the heavy-lifting is done by a Java program that runs alongside NRS. Integration to SuperNET GUI is planned to be done in the near future.

FreeMarket works by creating and later scanning arbitrary messages. As a result, it’s not quite a database, in that we can’t edit previously created AMs, so we have to make new AMs that override the previous ones. Also, since it all runs on the NXT blockchain, a new item or a sale can take over a minute to properly show up.

FreeMarket has several advantages over options like eBay:

- There is no need to register and give up any personal information
- There is no third-party payment processor
- Fees are very low; with our listing fee set at 7.77 NXT, a complete sale only costs about 10 NXT once you include fees for NXT AMs
- You can pay with NXT
- The NXT blockchain makes FreeMarket resistant to takedown
- No centralized servers anywhere; FreeMarket does not require centralized administration
- Custom-built to support the sale of physical goods, unlike the DGS
- Allows for photos in listings
- A simple, pleasant UI
- Allows for unlimited, buyer-selectable shipping options, each with a separate fee (this is limited to three options right now, but will be changed before release)
- Messages between buyer and seller, as well as shipping address and shipping method, are encrypted
- Items can be searched by category and up to 3 optional tags, as well as item title, seller ID, and item ID
- Listings can be canceled
- Sellers have the option of accepting or rejecting a sale

This is just the first version. Planned features include:

- A buyer and seller rating and feedback/reputation system
- Multiple quantities of an item in a single posting (this may be implemented in the first version, time permitting)
- Other options for additional fees, such as a start page with featured listings

http://nxtfreemarket.com is the official website

James

P.S. I am only now involved as an adviser for FreeMarket and so this is all the hard work of PoofKnuckle and blackyblack1
« Last Edit: September 17, 2014, 05:49:22 pm by jl777 »
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Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2014, 12:11:13 am »

 
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Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2014, 08:11:15 am »

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Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 02:30:32 pm »

First I've seen this...any info?
« Last Edit: September 18, 2014, 04:07:05 pm by Breasal »
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One small correction: shipping options are not unlimited, but will be greatly expanded beyond the three that are available for testing.

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Hope you will like it guys. Beta testers are welcome.
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If you want to beta test, PM one of us here, or use the email address on the website.

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that looks bad ass.. :)
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Interesting.

Will all data be stored in the Nxt blockchain? I know there is a data Limit on the blockchain. What is the byte limit for each listing and about how many pictures one list can do?
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that looks bad ass.. :)

Considering the attention paid to OpenBazaar, which I believe is not even in testing, I hope that the quick release of FreeMarket will bring a lot of attention to NXT.  8)

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NXTventure is the issuer and the assetid is 134138275353332190 a NXTventure dividend of 1 Freemarket for each 10 NXTventure will be sent out this Thursday based on 1400 GMT assuming valarmg can confirm this.

Confirmed. I'll distribute some time tomorrow afternoon, based on assetholders at 1400 GMT.
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Interesting.

Will all data be stored in the Nxt blockchain? I know there is a data Limit on the blockchain. What is the byte limit for each listing and about how many pictures one list can do?

Pictures do not live on the blockchain. I am working on additional material for the website that will explain how this works.

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This is awesome... and only sorry there is no ICO for this project.

But... why not enhance the current DGS instead of creating a new marketplace from scratch?  ???
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This is awesome... and only sorry there is no ICO for this project.

But... why not enhance the current DGS instead of creating a new marketplace from scratch?  ???

I'm not a core developer, but I'll venture a guess at why the built-in marketplace is for digital goods only: because it can be a complete solution. You can deliver your product using the DGS, I think. It makes sense as a core function, whereas a physical marketplace doesn't, since it has to operate partly outside of NXT, what with goods being shipped and all.

While a physical goods store may not be built-in, that fact that one has been built on top of NXT, and relatively quickly, speaks to the versatility and 2.0-ness of NXT.

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With no central servers, where are the photos being stored? Also, is the only part of nxt you are using is asset issuance and AM?
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With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

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With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
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So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?
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So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?

I guess localhost like nxt
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So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?

I guess localhost like nxt

Bingo.

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With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)
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This is why I should have bought more nxtventure assets!  :(
If I can help with beta just let me know. I've been waiting to see a project like this.
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Nice Poofknuckle!

Everything I saw so far from you was awesome, I am looking forward to use it!

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jl777 you are a woman?!


I make no secret of this
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I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
WHOA.
I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

Another option is Siacoin - https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/sia-official-nxt-thread/
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I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
WHOA.
I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

Another option is Siacoin - https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/sia-official-nxt-thread/

Thanks! I'll have to read up on that too, I had forgotten about it.
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We decided not to stick with DGS because some third-parties use DGS to show goods and we do not want to bloat them with our service messages. Also we need more control over message-passing - this way we can introduce new features and improvements without waiting for DGS to catch.
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This is both good and bad news for me..  I am working on something VERY similar.

One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?

Happy to help out with beta testing :)

Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
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One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?
That's a good point. It is the client who decides if he want to see all listings with fee or without. But we gain money from sellers and if they want broad audience (with not hacked FreeMarket) they will pay the fee.

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Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
It's worth discussing. PM us at info@nxtfreemarket.com.
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One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?
That's a good point. It is the client who decides if he want to see all listings with fee or without. But we gain money from sellers and if they want broad audience (with not hacked FreeMarket) they will pay the fee.

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Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
It's worth discussing. PM us at info@nxtfreemarket.com.
SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James
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SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James

There WILL be freeloaders.. its human nature.  If there was a flaw in Ebay that allowed free listings.. you can guarantee there would be a significant number of users 25-50% who abuse it..
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SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James

There WILL be freeloaders.. its human nature.  If there was a flaw in Ebay that allowed free listings.. you can guarantee there would be a significant number of users 25-50% who abuse it..
so they would not show their listing to a much larger audience to save a few NXT.
it wouldnt be like getting free listings on ebay, it would be like making an ebay clone site that nobody goes to but they can put free listings there.
as a buyer I would be leery of trusting any seller that is doing all this to save 7 NXT

James
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as a buyer I would be leery of trusting any seller that is doing all this to save 7 NXT

That is a good point. It certainly casts doubt over the seller..
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jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?
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jl777 you are a woman?!


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jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?

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jl777 you are a woman?!


I make no secret of this

jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?

The mystery deepens...

A black woman in the shadow ! !  We`re closing in . . .
And, is that a beard, or your energetic cheekbones ? A black woman, with a beard, in the . .  Nahh, I prefer the latter case  :) (and the distinctive cheekbones match your working-style much better, than the beard, jl777 . . thank you, for letting us benefit from your energy too)
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FreeMarket Assets have been distributed to NxtVenture holders, see NxtVenture thread for details.
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Wow, I almost missed that one.
I have been waiting for this a long time.
Congratulations to James and ProofKnuckle pushing this forward behind the scenes.

With OpenBazaar and Emunie coming at Q4 with their Markets there might be some first mover advantage for FreeMarket.

I am just missing one thing: Mixing. And maybe on a later stage: Escrow.

Is this planned?
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Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.
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Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

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I am just missing one thing: Mixing. And maybe on a later stage: Escrow.

Is this planned?
I will be pushing hard escrow and reputation services. However the top priority is the ease of use.
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Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

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Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

And multisig... and arbitrars...
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Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

I think that as new features are added, it will become attractive to wider audiences. But the important thing to do right now is get it out the door and into the hands of those who will use it as is. I subscribe to Clayton Christensen's theory about "low-end disruption": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_innovation

Get your product out the door, even if it's not feature-complete, and improve it over time.

Mixing, reputation, escrow, and other features will make it more useful to more people. But waiting for it to be "finished" before shipping is a recipe for never shipping.
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Great job guys! I am very curious about this project. And thanks for the assets, always nice to see some new assets in my inbox.  ;D

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http://www.powersellersunite.com/auctionsitewatch.php just a look at volumes of real world auction sites

bter will start trading FreeMarket very soon

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FreeMarket (NXT asset 134138275353332190) is added to BTER's BTC market at 

https://bter.com/trade/mrkt_btc

Deposit

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/MRKT .
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bter will start trading FreeMarket very soon
FreeMarket (NXT asset 134138275353332190) is added to BTER's BTC market at 

lol, just for the future, jl777's "very soon" means 5min 44sec :D
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I'm confused, is this the NXT version of OpenBazaar ?
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I'm confused, is this the NXT version of OpenBazaar ?

NXT already has the functionality of a free market in the core, but FreeMarket will be an enhanced version of such a market on the Nxt blockchain.
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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)
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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

Nxt Marketplace is decentralized and cannot be shutdown by anyone. U could sell rockets to IS and no one could stop u. Openbazaar is similar, but uses Bitcoin instead of Nxt. Ebay... well u know it.

Could someone jump in and explain FreeMarket please.
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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.
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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.


OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.

Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.

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Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.


OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.

Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.

At least some people could work on an enhanced Nxt Marketplace version which was kinda proposed by Aaron many weeks ago. It looks like u guys do it, but unfortunately, it won't be free. But maybe ur approach to have support and marketing is good.
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A point I wanted to add before I forget.
message system as db is fine, be sure to add in encryption key change every day/month/week or something.
Imagine this scenario.
user1 gets a visit from LE, they spill their nxt password and LE logs in. They now have access to transaction history of account and can form all the relationships with user2, 3, 4, 5 needed to move forward in the bully way.
If the encryption keys changed in a deterministic fashion you could only have to worry about 1 month or so of history on each account.

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OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.
Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.

This is a good idea. You can make it free for listing at the beginning for a certain time to attract customers. In the mean time you can provide escrow service for buyers and sellers to facilitate the deals. This was how Ali beat Ebay on China C2C market.
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Just thread-diggin'…

BOUNTY CURRENTLY SET AT 350,000NXT

if i actually do get this thing made im going to be such a pain in everyones ass. every time someone tries to talk to me im going to say "do you have any items listed on the goods store for sale?" :P if we all do our part to make sure this is a well fleshed out store than we really will have a killer app on our hands. i for one will be listing every old thing i can find in my house that im willing to part with :D

Every time my cat walks across my keyboard, I will consider listing him.

4 days after the bounty was announced:



is this working yet ? zzzzzzzz :-\
Actually it is functioning. Please test it and find bugs. I will give you a cracker if you find one

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Chinese description of FreeMarket and shared to ppl.
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Thanks for the free money... again.

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I like this. Should I buy @ the current price? Please forgive my ignorance
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I like this. Should I buy @ the current price? Please forgive my ignorance

don't buy before having an idea of what you are doing.
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To late :p
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How do you beta test? Is there a special signup link?

If you want to beta test, PM one of us here, or use the email address on the website.

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For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
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For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Testnet  :)
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For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
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How do you beta test? Is there a special signup link?
We run closed beta now and do not want to leak the essential parts of the software. So candidates pass some screening to participate in testing. When we are ready for open beta you are welcome to participate.
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For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
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For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
what about "me me" :)

edit: sorry, couldn`t resist
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how about list this on bitcointalk?
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No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
what about "me me" :)

edit: sorry, couldn`t resist

funny but not relevant because i'm not an english speaker :)
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over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets
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over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)

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over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)
Haha
Some info and test pictures on NxtChina.
Shared on weibo. :)
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over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)
Haha
Some info and test pictures on NxtChina.
Shared on weibo. :)
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Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)
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Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)

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Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)

A 3rd party service that is kinda open source and you can choose after what time your messages should be destructed.

Or we would simply use pgp on the 3rd party service.

The 3rd party service would have to be designed in such a way that it's concept is very clear and (? if it's possible open source and the definite termination of the messages ensured)
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I am aiming for the end of this month, though that exact day is a busy one for me, so it may a day or so after.

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Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"sendmessage","dest":"13434315136155299987","msg":"hello"}'

or the RPC equivalent will send an encrypted message between any two SuperNET nodes (wallets), so no need to store anything on the blockchain
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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)
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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)
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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.
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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)
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My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #100 on: September 26, 2014, 04:41:55 pm »

My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #101 on: September 26, 2014, 04:51:33 pm »

My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!

We need a user base who will rely on FreeMarket for their sales on an ongoing basis. This seems like a good way to build that user base. :)

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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #102 on: September 26, 2014, 05:03:12 pm »

My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!

We need a user base who will rely on FreeMarket for their sales on an ongoing basis. This seems like a good way to build that user base. :)

Yes, I will be selling on an ongoing basis, at least as much as I can supply. Obviously, I have a vested interest in BitcoinDark and SuperNET and have already picked up a few freemarket assets. I think this market is important in what it represents and hope to help out as much as I can.

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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #103 on: September 26, 2014, 08:58:21 pm »

My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yay a release date!
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2014, 01:00:54 am »

This is fantabulous-tic - FreeMarket is going to beat OpenBazaar to the punch..
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2014, 12:51:44 am »

With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

how would Freemarket utilize coins like Storj or Sia?
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2014, 12:58:37 am »

With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

how would Freemarket utilize coins like Storj or Sia?

Storj isn't primarily a coin but a decentralised/distributed storage system. Participants get paid to keep encrypted information on their HDDs in return for payment. This could easily be used to host images, but I am not sure how that would be implemented in a fully decentralised way (some server would still be needed to fetch the images from the storj and display it on the website.

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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2014, 12:39:40 am »

I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
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« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2014, 12:58:34 am »

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2014, 05:35:24 am »

I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.
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« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2014, 04:04:59 pm »

I have spent my last few nxt in this asset. I think going on the right track.

good luck

accept bit donation XD  ;D ;D

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« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2014, 04:22:34 pm »

I have spent my last few nxt in this asset. I think going on the right track.

good luck

accept bit donation XD  ;D ;D

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me too  ;D
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #112 on: September 30, 2014, 04:26:43 pm »

I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
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« Reply #113 on: September 30, 2014, 04:34:45 pm »


Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?

Standard client Marketplace has no pictures, shipping options etc.
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Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2014, 04:35:36 pm »

I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
Doesn't the marketplace only support digital goods?
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I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
Doesn't the marketplace only support digital goods?

The digital goods store only supports digital goods.
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Just to get this in as many places as possible:

https://nxtforum.org/job-board/javascript-wizard-needed-for-freemarket/

JavaScript help needed for FreeMarket, tell your friends (who know JavaScript)!

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Very interested in the service and the asset, but what does 1 Freemarket token represent?

(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)

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Very interested in the service and the asset, but what does 1 Freemarket token represent?

(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)
"A 20% revenue sharing agreement with SuperNET allows for 80% of the listing fees to be distributed as dividends."

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Do the currently existing 1,000,000 Freemarket tokens represent the entirety of what those dividends are paid out to? i.e. each Freemarket token will receive 1/1,250,000 of all listing fees?
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yes
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?
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Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?

Yes indeed we are :)

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Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?

Yes indeed we are :)

Excellent  :)
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will the sell walls come down then?  seems like the price is being suppressed on purpose instead of allowing free trade to determine it
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What will be the selling restrictions?

For example, guns can be bought and sold in the US (armslist.com) but not in many other countries. Will these sales, and gun related objects be restricted?

Just curious as I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
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Look at the name. I think that is the intention.

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Look at the name. I think that is the intention.

Ah ok.
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Just curious as I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

That's intentional.  ;)

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why is the dev team setting up sell walls to suppress the price?  blackyblack? you're not trying to hide it, I can see that much

this is not FUD, I'm holding some I bought at 63, maybe I'm wrong about this, but this is no way to get noobs interested, though maybe you're trying to discourage people like me on purpose, I can only guess and try to reason it out for myself here...
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Those are no walls, that is simple liquidity. If the price was so low, people could just buy.

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why is the dev team setting up sell walls to suppress the price?  blackyblack? you're not trying to hide it, I can see that much

this is not FUD, I'm holding some I bought at 63, maybe I'm wrong about this, but this is no way to get noobs interested, though maybe you're trying to discourage people like me on purpose, I can only guess and try to reason it out for myself here...

I'll display my ignorance here: what is a sell wall?

Also, as one of the devs, I can say I have no interest in suppressing the price.

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Sell walls are just big sell orders. The name comes from the order book view that you can see here: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/nxt/btc/bter/10-days - there are lots of orders at 0.00012, making it look like a wall we have to climb.

The Bee Maya account put one up for Freemarket. :)

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Sell walls are just big sell orders. The name comes from the order book view that you can see here: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/nxt/btc/bter/10-days - there are lots of orders at 0.00012, making it look like a wall we have to climb.

Ah, thanks!

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well like I said I'm just trying to understand it, I've been seeing blackyblack (NXT-9HP3-8QJW-NY3Y-9QLLZ) put in lower and lower sell orders over the last couple weeks, I can only guess if the other big orders are related to the project or not, certainly seems like they must have paid less for it than I did, good thing I didn't spend too much on it
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I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.

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I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.

I can buy that, I wasn't necessarily trying to accuse anybody of wrongdoing, can't wait to see this thing in action!  :)
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I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.

I can buy that, I wasn't necessarily trying to accuse anybody of wrongdoing, can't wait to see this thing in action!  :)

I sold 10 assets just to see how it worked; I haven't sold any since, and I have used only assets as payment.

I see this as a very long term project, and I plan to HODL.

And you can see it in action on Sunday!  :)

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well like I said I'm just trying to understand it, I've been seeing blackyblack (NXT-9HP3-8QJW-NY3Y-9QLLZ) put in lower and lower sell orders over the last couple weeks, I can only guess if the other big orders are related to the project or not, certainly seems like they must have paid less for it than I did, good thing I didn't spend too much on it
Ok, ok you caught me.
FreeMarket has 2 options to pay the expenses:
1. With cash (NXT)
2. With assets.

We prefer to pay to trusted or community members with assets. But for third-party payments it is better to use cash. Eg we want to pay some big merchant and decide to do it with assets. We will need to explain what is AE and how much each share costs and still pay 200% of what we could pay in cash. The next step to the merchant is to cash out these shares so he dumps them on AE and the price goes down.
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well hopefully more people will want to buy these assets you're handing out to pay the expenses after the product is launched, thanks for the explanation
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Now someone is really dumping on the AE. FreeMarket dropped down to 35 and Privatebet down to 20. And it is 2 day before FreeMarket release and prior to NeoDICE start.
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Buy the rumor, sell the news
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It's an abomination
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It's an abomination

You speculating or know for a fact?
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Just playing slothbag
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Now someone is really dumping on the AE. FreeMarket dropped down to 35 and Privatebet down to 20. And it is 2 day before FreeMarket release and prior to NeoDICE start.

Some people are weird, that's my conclusion.  ;)

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who is dumping freemarket? it's just the beginnig, we are going in bad direccion.

investors want stability and profits

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I am always boggled that people complain, that the thing, they want to hold longterm for dividends, is TOO CHEAP NOW.

Doesn't make sense.

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Seems strange that there isn't more hype around this... I don't get it.
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Seems strange that there isn't more hype around this... I don't get it.

Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

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Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.
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I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.

I agree, ThomasVeil--if we begin to PR every significant evolution and milestone in the nxt ecosystem, we will bring more and more people into it. As MGW, instantdex, atomic, freemarket, MS, TF, supernet, nxtinspect go live, they get press releases. Another series of PRs could describe the increasing volume on the AE: $100,000/day, then $250,000/day, then $1M/day. People want to be part of a growing success story.
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Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.

Re: NXT-ORG, yes the problem is lack of funds. Marketing to the outside world isn't cheap and requires a lot of time, we're also looking for new members, so anyone that wants to volunteer: PM.

I completely disagree with the other point: Ethereum marketed ideas to the tune of ~18 million USD. Open Bazaar has also marketed themselves beautifully in the media and cryptoworld without even being near to beta. They have got international attention for an idea, an idea that NXT was already working on.

There's absolutely no reason to wait with marketing and building excitement until the product is done.
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Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.
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Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.

Cassius wrote us a great press release, so we have that ready to go.

If anyone wants to translate it and/or distribute it, please let me know.

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Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.

Cassius wrote us a great press release, so we have that ready to go.

If anyone wants to translate it and/or distribute it, please let me know.

PoofKnuckle

If nobody else has done it, I could get it translated into Chinese. We need some press releases! Everyone knows about OpenBazaar, and I think this is just as good if not better.
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If nobody has translated it into Russian and you think it worthwhile I could have a whack at it. Cryptos have been banned in Russia, but I doubt that's stopping anybody who is interested.
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From my opinion, I know I am going to share this and want this to get to the market once its available (very soon now).

I think every translation, article, sharing will be very welcome. Since there is the software which is going to be released, there is no much doubts. But there is not a big PR agenture behind Freemarket, which will push it like OpenBazaar, Alibaba or whatelse is out there. So, lets try it, see whats possible and get innovative with whats possible with the Software ourselves =)

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I have just posted the very first item to FreeMarket on the live net. That was a long 6 months or so, but it is up and running! I am just working on writing up installation instructions, and I will make the download available on Sunday morning my time (New York Time).

In another post I'll thank all the wonderful people on this forum who helped make this a reality. Right now, I just have more work to do, and I don't want to spare the time until FreeMarket is launched and in the wild.

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By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

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By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

I am excited to see how it finally works. Does it require to have NXT running and afterwards I start Freemarket? Is there an installer which also includes NXT? But its not missing much until its released so I will see it soon anyway =)

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Does it support arbitrars like OpenBazaar?
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Does it support arbitrars like OpenBazaar?

Can I ask, what is arbitrars?

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Rated dispute resolution escrow agents that can be agreed upon before transacting with someone.
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welcome to join.

We are planning to build Chinese community.

QQ group:
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weibo:
http://weibo.com/u/5322511289

China's e-commerce is a world leader. freemarket will get better development in China.
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By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

I am excited to see how it finally works. Does it require to have NXT running and afterwards I start Freemarket? Is there an installer which also includes NXT? But its not missing much until its released so I will see it soon anyway =)
FreeMarket must be started with NRS running. We have a bundle script to start both at once. It is installed alike NXTServices eg unzip into your NXT client folder.
No arbitrars for you. We will work on reputation service but for now we will simply collect information about good and bad sellers on the forum.
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You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-Bitmarkets
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
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You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
SuperNET will take care of privacy: https://forum.thesupernet.org/index.php?topic=154.msg1291#msg1291

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P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT
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You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
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You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
so because the NXT gui hasnt added a tickbox to use TOR you call it a joke?
I doubt this will be much work for a GUI/installer guy to do
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You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
so because the NXT gui hasnt added a tickbox to use TOR you call it a joke?
I doubt this will be much work for a GUI/installer guy to do

Yes every little detail counts when you are taking on bitcoin. You can't except people to switch to NXT unless the marketplace is ABSOLUTLY perfect and superior to everything else. If not, the marketplace will drown amongst the sea of competitors. From a consumer perspective, it looks like a joke because there is alot of copy cat, follow the hype action going on. but that's probably because I didn't know anything about this marketplace until now, maybe you guys were developing this before everyone. Whateva
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finally! Got some nice items prepared for the start :)

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any ETA? :)

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any ETA? :)
Soon. We are bundling everything together.
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October 12th = October 12th

A bit sloppy, this...  :-\

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Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.
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Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.
Meh. That's not how it works. You must be a programmer... 8)
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October 12th = October 12th

A bit sloppy, this...  :-\



better to have a "late" release than a sloppy release. look at node coin
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Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.

nearly over here :D

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And this is why NXT (services) can't be marketed yet ;D
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BOOM, go get it:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/

There is a download link near the top, under the language menu.

Or go directly here:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html

Instructions only in English for now. That will change as fast as I can get to it.

I think we won't make any big announcement until people here have banged on it for a while. We had great testers, but more testers are sure to find bugs that we haven't already, and we'd like a wider release not to be overshadowed by problems. So please, go get it, test it, tell us if you break it :)

Feature requests are welcome too, of course, but more useful in the short term are bug reports.

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P.S. I would put an animated GIF right here, but frankly, I am too tired to bother.  :)


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Something like this:

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Something like this:



Oooooooh yeaaaaaaah. That's the one. :)

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When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

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When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

 nxt.dumpPeersVersion not defined

If you had NRS running before you installed, you may want to kill the Java process before starting up again. Not sure if that will fix it...

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Congrats!!

BOOM, go get it:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/

There is a download link near the top, under the language menu.

Or go directly here:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html

Instructions only in English for now. That will change as fast as I can get to it.

I think we won't make any big announcement until people here have banged on it for a while. We had great testers, but more testers are sure to find bugs that we haven't already, and we'd like a wider release not to be overshadowed by problems. So please, go get it, test it, tell us if you break it :)

Feature requests are welcome too, of course, but more useful in the short term are bug reports.

PoofKnuckle

P.S. I would put an animated GIF right here, but frankly, I am too tired to bother.  :)
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Nice, I will try it tomorrow  :)
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Nice nice!
Trying to add my little part with twitter: https://twitter.com/oxpal/status/521428135871782912
Hm, broad hashtags seem to do good.
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Does the blockchain need to be caught up? I can see the freemarket but I can't view any items.

Also, the second java terminal is giving me this error:

WARNING: Cannot open Market. Retrying in 30 seconds...
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Does the blockchain need to be caught up? I can see the freemarket but I can't view any items.

Also, the second java terminal is giving me this error:

WARNING: Cannot open Market. Retrying in 30 seconds...

The blockchain does need to be up to date, yes.

The warning you see just means that NRS isn't completely ready, so FreeMarket can't connect. It will just keep trying once every 30 seconds until NRS is ready.

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Great ,it's coming.
Shared with simple instruction.
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Good, but open the product page have a little slow ;)
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When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

 nxt.dumpPeersVersion not defined
Take a look here: https://nxtforum.org/general/nxt-dumppeersversion-not-defined/
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Are you planning to elaborate the download section soon?
- I think you shouldn't link directly to a NXT zip-file. People unfamiliar with NXT don't know bitbucket or a dev JeanLucPicard. Why would they trust the zip-file? Better to link to the 'official' NXT-site http://nxt.org/get-started-nxt/download-nxt-software
- Also, how would people know that it's safe to download the Freemarket plugin? Could be a trojan. Is it opensource? Is the code checked by a trusted dev? Do the hashes match? :P

I think it might be wise to address these question for a greater audience.
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Are you planning to elaborate the download section soon?
- I think you shouldn't link directly to a NXT zip-file. People unfamiliar with NXT don't know bitbucket or a dev JeanLucPicard. Why would they trust the zip-file? Better to link to the 'official' NXT-site http://nxt.org/get-started-nxt/download-nxt-software
- Also, how would people know that it's safe to download the Freemarket plugin? Could be a trojan. Is it opensource? Is the code checked by a trusted dev? Do the hashes match? :P

I think it might be wise to address these question for a greater audience.
You are right. We can give a link to NXT and zip file with hash signature to verify it.
We can give also a signature for Freemarket plugin. But we cannot opensourse core yet. You can check plugin code by yourself - it is plain javascript and we can give a source code to trusted dev to check it but we cannot leak it to prevent clones.
On the 2015 ETA we want to ship plain javascript opensource FreeMarket without a core.
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Great Job...
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My UI is a little wonky now, is that expected?
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My UI is a little wonky now, is that expected?
Did you try to clean cache of your browser? What exactly is "wonky" for you?
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want to see some  screenshot of freemarket?anyone?
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chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

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chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!
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nvm, fixed
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 02:05:21 pm by curio »
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A little remedial help, please! I am not entirely computer literate and can only find a NXT client application on my macbook pro. I can't seem to locate the nxt client folder, which makes it impossible to swap out html folders.

Would somebody please assist me in locating the nxt client folder?
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I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?
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A little remedial help, please! I am not entirely computer literate and can only find a NXT client application on my macbook pro. I can't seem to locate the nxt client folder, which makes it impossible to swap out html folders.

Would somebody please assist me in locating the nxt client folder?

On a back, the html folder is in the package contents of the app.  If you hold control down and then click on the app (in Finder), you should get an option to Show Package Contents.  From there click Contents -> Resources -> nxt and the html folder should be there.

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I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?

From my understanding, you should be able to swap the folders since the FreeMarket one will override everything in the folder
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Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
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I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?
Yes, you can. FreeMarket comes bundled with NxtServices 1.4.8.
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Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
We already had a conversation about SuperNet GUI. NxtServices and FreeMarket do not interact but we will need to update FreeMarket plugin every time we have new NxtServices version.
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Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
We already had a conversation about SuperNet GUI. NxtServices and FreeMarket do not interact but we will need to update FreeMarket plugin every time we have new NxtServices version.

Good to know. Just beware of chain-reactions triggered by NRS changes > Nxt Services changes > FreeMarket changes that might make things difficult for end users thanks to different, separated nested software versions. For as long as there is no plugin support in the core, the less dependencies and extra installation requirements, the better.
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Do the hashes match? :P


LOL.

You are right, of course, this needs to be as clear and easy a process as possible, and trustworthy.

And the hashes must match.  :P
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chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!



Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.
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chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!



Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.
I got the same thing.
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chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!



Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.

Huh, I have never seen that before. Is it an add-on?

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I got that too.

Just click the arrow to the right of 'Discard' and click 'Keep'.
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Is there a way to filter sold and cancelled items?

Also, where can we leave a review for someone?
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Huh, I have never seen that before. Is it an add-on?

I don't think it's an add-on.
Might be the "Enable phishing and malware protection" that's enabled in the Chrome options?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/kaJ0cSw91Ng
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/E4V4meCvMeY/er6wFfTt2aIJ
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When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
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When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"

It sounds like Nxt Services is not running.  How did you start up the client?
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When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.
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When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.

I´ve the same problem. Started with run_market.sh and in incognito mode....
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When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.

I´ve the same problem. Started with run_market.sh and in incognito mode....
Could you also tell me what is in your freemarket.log? Do your wallet main functions working? Do you use browser to access your wallet?
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There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
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There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.
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~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade

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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

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~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade
Now check your wallet for FreeMarket service.
Hint: you can open nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/index.html for standalone FreeMarket.
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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.


Yeah I think it must be hidden. What is exactly an integration with LastPass?
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~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade
Now check your wallet for FreeMarket service.
Hint: you can open nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/index.html for standalone FreeMarket.

This did trick. If I´m starting the /nxt/run_market.sh and /nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass/run.sh at the same time it is working fine.
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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.



I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.
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There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.

I'm not using that, it just gave me Java errors, so I put html into the Mac Package contents instead, at least that NXT wallet works
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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.



I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.
It is a good idea since 3rd party verification has not been done yet. When we will have https/GPG/verification stuff all way down and hashes will match you will be really safe to use your main account.
For now you can use sniffer to check that passphrase is not sent to the outer world.
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There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.

I'm not using that, it just gave me Java errors, so I put html into the Mac Package contents instead, at least that NXT wallet works
Sorry for we was not able to troubleshoot your problem. We have plain javascript version of FreeMarket without this tricky java core inside. When it is ready it will be really easy to use FreeMarket.
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I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application Could not find or load main class


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.



I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.

Any account with any spending amount in it should still have a 40char random password. This password still should be hidden, and password should be useable from a password manager.
Just because the software isn't 3rd party verified, doesn't mean it can't utilize proper security.

What is the protocol for lastpass? seems the field just needs <input type="password">.. seems like we missed a big step here..
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I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application cannot be found or loaded


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

Yeah I had that same error. nxt.lock.db won't quit. coulnd't find the thread and had to reboot to kill it
It not 2 issues, only one.. Won't start since the DB is already running.
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
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I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application cannot be found or loaded


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

Yeah I had that same error. nxt.lock.db won't quit. coulnd't find the thread and had to reboot to kill it
It not 2 issues, only one.. Won't start since the DB is already running.
No it's two issues. FreeMarket core does not use the database so it must be started.
I noticed that NXT was not terminated gracefully after Ctrl + C but haven't come to solution yet.
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
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Hmm...Suggestion since I didn't notice it before.  It looks like, by default, FreeMarket sorts the listing by name.  I would think that could be gamed and a better approach would be to sort the entries by listing date.
If this was already brought up, sorry about that, I didn't see it mentioned and wanted to make sure.

Great work!
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Hmm...Suggestion since I didn't notice it before.  It looks like, by default, FreeMarket sorts the listing by name.  I would think that could be gamed and a better approach would be to sort the entries by listing date.
If this was already brought up, sorry about that, I didn't see it mentioned and wanted to make sure.

Great work!
Thank you. We are working on it.
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?

how?  as far as I know I need to do $bash run_market.sh which gives me an exception, is there an html file I can open?
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got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.


Yeah I think it must be hidden. What is exactly an integration with LastPass?

I'll make the pass phrase field hidden.

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Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat

I don't believe you need Chrome, I think that comment was just for troubleshooting
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I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat

I don't believe you need Chrome, I think that comment was just for troubleshooting

I use it in Chrome, but I have also used in in Nxt Wallet. It does work, and you can install and run it in pretty much the same way. I have not written up instructions for that yet though.
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Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

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Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

Well, we definitely have an edge on them then. I just wish I had some more btc to buy more assets  :)

once it's been live for a while, we definitely need to get some professional pr going
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Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

But it is in beta and already has far more features, along with the "bitcoin" advantage... I hope this can keep up!
I also worry that if too many illicit items get sold on this market it will be a huge black mark against nxt as a system considering how it is integrated, while openbazaar is it's own seperate system. Really hope this doesn't backfire on us.
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Come on guys, let's get some more items for sale!  :)
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website is down :(
Too much downloads for a single day. We will fix it soon.
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I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

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I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?
The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html
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How to install
Do you have FreeMarket.zip?
Unzip somewhere and move it's content into the NRS folder. run_market.bat and run_market.sh should be placed near run.bat, run.sh and new html folder should overwrite previous html folder.
Execute run_market.bat (or run_market.sh on Mac/Linux) and wait until NRS ready to use. Clean cache of the browser and open your wallet.
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Quote from: Abraxas 147 on Today at 06:33:41 am

    I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html

Thanks! I followed this procedure, it's running well in firefox. You should add this to your operation instructions :-).

BTW: opening index.html with IE10 -> I can not see items  ("Buy-> View all" results i an empty list)...
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Quote from: Abraxas 147 on Today at 06:33:41 am

    I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html

Thanks! I followed this procedure, it's running well in firefox. You should add this to your operation instructions :-).

BTW: opening index.html with IE10 -> I can not see items  ("Buy-> View all" results i an empty list)...

Thanks for reporting that. Now I have to go download IE 10. Maybe I shouldn't thank you  ;)

But really, thanks!
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Thanks for reporting that. Now I have to go download IE 10. Maybe I shouldn't thank you  ;)

It's the same pain for me, some of our customers are even using IE8... cruel world  ;).
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!
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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!

Yes, of course, and there are ways around these problems. eBay and similar services were not built with privacy in mind.
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How anonymous is this solution? Is IP leaked anywhere? Hardest part would be getting currency into an account without a link to your account/identity... Which I guess we'll need to wait for teleport?
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How anonymous is this solution? Is IP leaked anywhere? Hardest part would be getting currency into an account without a link to your account/identity... Which I guess we'll need to wait for teleport?

This is not my area of expertise, but I'll tell you what I think, and someone can correct me if I am wrong. All the transactions with FreeMarket happen locally, on your own machine and on your own copy of the blockchain. I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

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there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!

that sounds good !
 I'm very old-fashioned. I use no ebay, no paypal, no credit card and cash for everything possible. do not have a smartphone. actually I belong not to NXT and am still there  ;D

I will download it later on weekend or so, because i like it what you do!
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The freemarket website gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives. Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
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I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
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The freemarket website gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives. Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
Yes, looking for hosting alternatives. Sorry for this.
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I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
:)
FreeMarket does not store it for sure. NRS also should not store it anyway. I heard James is making something to hide IP with darknet so it seems there is a treat of revealing the IP address. If you know any details how IP address could be revealed let us know.
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The freemarket website gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives. Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
Yes, looking for hosting alternatives. Sorry for this.

It should be up again soon, working on getting up much more bandwidth.

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I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
:)

I am never 100% sure of anything. That's a feature, not a bug :)

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Site back down  >:(

I guess that bodes well for FreeMarket's popularity, but we should have a few official download mirrors.
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Site back down  >:(

I guess that bodes well for FreeMarket's popularity, but we should have a few official download mirrors.

We have a high traffic, yes, and that's good. We are trying to determine if there is any DDoS involved too. Some people just don't like competition.

The download now includes installation directions in a read me file:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/yr7bwlna5o6hh60/FreeMarket.zip


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A p2p market should be downloaded p2p too ;)
Can't you do it via a torrent or something?
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A p2p market should be downloaded p2p too ;)
Can't you do it via a torrent or something?
I believe we will come to better solution soon.
We created an additional link on this forum which will be updated on every new release. Also signed with SHA256 and my token.

https://nxtforum.org/freemarket/freemarket-releases-1-0-9/
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Whats the plan for user feedback?

I ordered some Kentucky Honey (maybe was the first thing sold on FreeMarket?)
Arrived, all packed up nice, with no name on it, as it was bought from my NXT account.

My daughter was thrilled, as now we have even more honey.
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Whats the plan for user feedback?

I ordered some Kentucky Honey (maybe was the first thing sold on FreeMarket?)
Arrived, all packed up nice, with no name on it, as it was bought from my NXT account.

My daughter was thrilled, as now we have even more honey.
Thank you for the feedback.
We plan to put users' feedback on the official FreeMarket thread on this forum. I'm porting the core to javascript now so do not have time for something more techy.
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Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses
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Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses

so far, as in the past two weeks?

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I was building a rocket to the moon but two weeks went by and i got bored so I sold the plans to buy some beer.

We'll look down from above and see how youre doing.
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Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses

If you're thinking of this as a two week investment, you will be disappointed. We are in this for the long haul, and we have only just started.

There will be info posted this weekend about the next version (an ETA, and a list of new features). After the release of the next version, we'll start promoting FreeMarket in earnest, now that it has been in the wild and tested. The feedback we have received has been very helpful, and we have been hard at work to improve.

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my mistake was thinking that NXT assets were a safer bet than alt coins, otherwise I would have watched this very closely and dumped at the first sign of crash and then later considered re-buying at a more realistic price, which may or may not be now, nobody likes to feel like they were manipulated to over-pay, that doesn't buy any good will and faith in your plans, most alt coin projects will fail, maybe even NXT, there's more to success than just building something great
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The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time.

that lasted for like a week...

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The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time.

that lasted for like a week...

Well, I have sold a grand total of 10 assets. Ten. Look it up.

But we have to pay outside devs, and not everyone wants assets as compensation. Some assets have to be sold, so that we have NXT to pay with. Assets are being sold to further our work.

my mistake was thinking that NXT assets were a safer bet than alt coins, otherwise I would have watched this very closely and dumped at the first sign of crash and then later considered re-buying at a more realistic price, which may or may not be now, nobody likes to feel like they were manipulated to over-pay, that doesn't buy any good will and faith in your plans, most alt coin projects will fail, maybe even NXT, there's more to success than just building something great

If you think you have been manipulated into overpaying for the asset, I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know what the current asset price is, because I am too busy coding to care about it. I would hope that our investors have faith in our plans based on what we have already built, and not on the asset price over a two or three week period.

How many other NXT assets do you own that are for actual shipping products?
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If you think you have been manipulated into overpaying for the asset, I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know what the current asset price is, because I am too busy coding to care about it. I would hope that our investors have faith in our plans based on what we have already built, and not on the asset price over a two or three week period.


Coming from a similar situation, i still plan to hold long term. However, it is a bit scary to see your investment value reduce by nearly 80% in just a few weeks.
I wish you guys good luck, i'm sure the asset price will recover eventually as freemarket gains steam. 
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..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o
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..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o
No you misread it. Freemarket will use steam :)
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Steam will one day MAKE USE of freemarket!!  ;D ;D ;D
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..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o

Waat? FreeMarket bought steam???  ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case someone did not get it!
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..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o

Waat? FreeMarket bought steam???  ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case someone did not get it!
Yeah, bought and sold with profit.

BTW we have the update scheduled on 9th of November.
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What kind of volume are you seeing?
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What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?
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What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?

Yes.
I do not see any real volume. But we have marketing scheduled after the incoming update.
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What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?

Yes.
I do not see any real volume. But we have marketing scheduled after the incoming update.

Great, we really need it! I bought at around 70nxt apiece, but I'm holding this.
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I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.



And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk
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I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.



And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk

Does anyone around here do video work? Maybe a video would be a help...

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I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.



And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk

Does anyone around here do video work? Maybe a video would be a help...



Someone from our community made this video for us at BitcoinDark:

http://bitcoindark.pw/video/

If you want, I can find out who it was and contact him.
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Someone from our community made this video for us at BitcoinDark:

http://bitcoindark.pw/video/

If you want, I can find out who it was and contact him.

Randomly put together different after effects and templates shizzle without a concept. Maybe working together with this guy (to provide proper content) is the solution.
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