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Title: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 16, 2014, 11:56:08 pm
FreeMarket is a project that has been underway for a long time. With my workload it was decided that it would be best to have somebody else do the non-web part and blackyblack1 stepped up to fill this role. PoofKnuckle has been working all these months to get the HTML side done and now with SuperNET gearing up, it is a good time to finally issue the asset.

20% of FreeMarket listing fees will go to SuperNET.

NXTventure is the issuer and the assetid is 134138275353332190 a NXTventure dividend of 1 Freemarket for each 10 NXTventure will be sent out this Thursday based on 1400 GMT assuming valarmg can confirm this. The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time. This project is not completed yet, but with a beta release available for people to evaluate it with, it should be possible to make an informed decision as to the potential number of listings.

With the 80% of listing fees being 6.216 NXT, every 160,000 listings will create 1 million NXT of dividends.

The following is a description for FreeMarket:

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FreeMarket is built, and ready for beta testers!

The front-end is HTML and JavaScript, and the heavy-lifting is done by a Java program that runs alongside NRS. Integration to SuperNET GUI is planned to be done in the near future.

FreeMarket works by creating and later scanning arbitrary messages. As a result, it’s not quite a database, in that we can’t edit previously created AMs, so we have to make new AMs that override the previous ones. Also, since it all runs on the NXT blockchain, a new item or a sale can take over a minute to properly show up.

FreeMarket has several advantages over options like eBay:

- There is no need to register and give up any personal information
- There is no third-party payment processor
- Fees are very low; with our listing fee set at 7.77 NXT, a complete sale only costs about 10 NXT once you include fees for NXT AMs
- You can pay with NXT
- The NXT blockchain makes FreeMarket resistant to takedown
- No centralized servers anywhere; FreeMarket does not require centralized administration
- Custom-built to support the sale of physical goods, unlike the DGS
- Allows for photos in listings
- A simple, pleasant UI
- Allows for unlimited, buyer-selectable shipping options, each with a separate fee (this is limited to three options right now, but will be changed before release)
- Messages between buyer and seller, as well as shipping address and shipping method, are encrypted
- Items can be searched by category and up to 3 optional tags, as well as item title, seller ID, and item ID
- Listings can be canceled
- Sellers have the option of accepting or rejecting a sale

This is just the first version. Planned features include:

- A buyer and seller rating and feedback/reputation system
- Multiple quantities of an item in a single posting (this may be implemented in the first version, time permitting)
- Other options for additional fees, such as a start page with featured listings

http://nxtfreemarket.com is the official website

James

P.S. I am only now involved as an adviser for FreeMarket and so this is all the hard work of PoofKnuckle and blackyblack1
Title: Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 12:11:13 am
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Title: Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
Post by: apenzl on September 17, 2014, 08:11:15 am
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Title: Re: FreeMarket - Official Thread
Post by: Breasal on September 17, 2014, 02:30:32 pm
First I've seen this...any info?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 06:26:28 pm
One small correction: shipping options are not unlimited, but will be greatly expanded beyond the three that are available for testing.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 17, 2014, 06:45:11 pm
Hope you will like it guys. Beta testers are welcome.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 06:52:56 pm
If you want to beta test, PM one of us here, or use the email address on the website.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: kodtycoon on September 17, 2014, 07:52:42 pm
that looks bad ass.. :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: gs02xzz on September 17, 2014, 07:55:56 pm
Interesting.

Will all data be stored in the Nxt blockchain? I know there is a data Limit on the blockchain. What is the byte limit for each listing and about how many pictures one list can do?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 07:56:26 pm
that looks bad ass.. :)

Considering the attention paid to OpenBazaar, which I believe is not even in testing, I hope that the quick release of FreeMarket will bring a lot of attention to NXT.  8)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: valarmg on September 17, 2014, 08:05:15 pm

NXTventure is the issuer and the assetid is 134138275353332190 a NXTventure dividend of 1 Freemarket for each 10 NXTventure will be sent out this Thursday based on 1400 GMT assuming valarmg can confirm this.

Confirmed. I'll distribute some time tomorrow afternoon, based on assetholders at 1400 GMT.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 08:12:36 pm
Interesting.

Will all data be stored in the Nxt blockchain? I know there is a data Limit on the blockchain. What is the byte limit for each listing and about how many pictures one list can do?

Pictures do not live on the blockchain. I am working on additional material for the website that will explain how this works.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Nxter on September 17, 2014, 08:15:44 pm
This is awesome... and only sorry there is no ICO for this project.

But... why not enhance the current DGS instead of creating a new marketplace from scratch?  ???
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 08:36:19 pm
This is awesome... and only sorry there is no ICO for this project.

But... why not enhance the current DGS instead of creating a new marketplace from scratch?  ???

I'm not a core developer, but I'll venture a guess at why the built-in marketplace is for digital goods only: because it can be a complete solution. You can deliver your product using the DGS, I think. It makes sense as a core function, whereas a physical marketplace doesn't, since it has to operate partly outside of NXT, what with goods being shipped and all.

While a physical goods store may not be built-in, that fact that one has been built on top of NXT, and relatively quickly, speaks to the versatility and 2.0-ness of NXT.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on September 17, 2014, 08:50:53 pm
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored? Also, is the only part of nxt you are using is asset issuance and AM?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 08:53:06 pm
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on September 17, 2014, 09:05:53 pm
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on September 17, 2014, 09:09:36 pm
So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Nxter on September 17, 2014, 09:16:37 pm
 
So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?

I guess localhost like nxt
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 10:45:13 pm
So then, how is the actual webpage served up without a central server?

I guess localhost like nxt

Bingo.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 17, 2014, 10:59:09 pm
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: pt on September 18, 2014, 01:06:54 am
This is why I should have bought more nxtventure assets!  :(
If I can help with beta just let me know. I've been waiting to see a project like this.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Tosch110 on September 18, 2014, 01:18:06 am
Nice Poofknuckle!

Everything I saw so far from you was awesome, I am looking forward to use it!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: lucky88888 on September 18, 2014, 01:22:36 am
jl777 you are a woman?!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25tztbd.jpg)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 18, 2014, 01:37:13 am
jl777 you are a woman?!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25tztbd.jpg)
I make no secret of this
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: gs02xzz on September 18, 2014, 01:53:05 am
I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
WHOA.
I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

Another option is Siacoin - https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/sia-official-nxt-thread/
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 18, 2014, 02:05:33 am
I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)
WHOA.
I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

Another option is Siacoin - https://nxtforum.org/alternate-cryptocurrencies/sia-official-nxt-thread/

Thanks! I'll have to read up on that too, I had forgotten about it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 18, 2014, 03:24:13 am
Congra. :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 18, 2014, 04:07:16 am
We decided not to stick with DGS because some third-parties use DGS to show goods and we do not want to bloat them with our service messages. Also we need more control over message-passing - this way we can introduce new features and improvements without waiting for DGS to catch.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: slothbag on September 18, 2014, 04:16:21 am
This is both good and bad news for me..  I am working on something VERY similar.

One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?

Happy to help out with beta testing :)

Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 18, 2014, 05:18:06 am
One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?
That's a good point. It is the client who decides if he want to see all listings with fee or without. But we gain money from sellers and if they want broad audience (with not hacked FreeMarket) they will pay the fee.

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Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
It's worth discussing. PM us at info@nxtfreemarket.com.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 18, 2014, 05:28:41 am
One question, you are asking users to pay 7.77NXT (pressumably to a Nxt address you own) for a listing, which is fine and cheap, I assume the client checks to see if the 7.77 Nxt was paid before showing the listing.. but whats to stop people commenting out that one line of code so that it shows all listings whether the fee was paid or not?
That's a good point. It is the client who decides if he want to see all listings with fee or without. But we gain money from sellers and if they want broad audience (with not hacked FreeMarket) they will pay the fee.

Quote
Edit: If your FreeMarket system is flexible enough to cater for my needs, perhaps we can join forces so that I can utilize your backend process via an API rather than deploy a 2nd very similar market.
It's worth discussing. PM us at info@nxtfreemarket.com.
SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: slothbag on September 18, 2014, 06:18:33 am
SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James

There WILL be freeloaders.. its human nature.  If there was a flaw in Ebay that allowed free listings.. you can guarantee there would be a significant number of users 25-50% who abuse it..
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 18, 2014, 06:29:50 am
SuperNET traffic will blacklist, eg. not show, any listing by such freeloaders and probably any other listing such freeloaders will ever make. Such freeloading behavior would make me upset and I think it is well known what happens when I get upset.

Tech is one thing to clone, the userbase that is being promoted to is not possible to clone

James

There WILL be freeloaders.. its human nature.  If there was a flaw in Ebay that allowed free listings.. you can guarantee there would be a significant number of users 25-50% who abuse it..
so they would not show their listing to a much larger audience to save a few NXT.
it wouldnt be like getting free listings on ebay, it would be like making an ebay clone site that nobody goes to but they can put free listings there.
as a buyer I would be leery of trusting any seller that is doing all this to save 7 NXT

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: slothbag on September 18, 2014, 09:40:53 am
as a buyer I would be leery of trusting any seller that is doing all this to save 7 NXT

That is a good point. It certainly casts doubt over the seller..
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Ludom on September 18, 2014, 12:14:02 pm
jl777 you are a woman?!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25tztbd.jpg)
I make no secret of this

jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 18, 2014, 01:03:49 pm
jl777 you are a woman?!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25tztbd.jpg)
I make no secret of this

jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?

The mystery deepens...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: starfishi on September 18, 2014, 01:22:06 pm
jl777 you are a woman?!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25tztbd.jpg)
I make no secret of this

jl777 are you black or are you in the shadow ?

The mystery deepens...

A black woman in the shadow ! !  We`re closing in . . .
And, is that a beard, or your energetic cheekbones ? A black woman, with a beard, in the . .  Nahh, I prefer the latter case  :) (and the distinctive cheekbones match your working-style much better, than the beard, jl777 . . thank you, for letting us benefit from your energy too)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: valarmg on September 18, 2014, 05:07:45 pm
FreeMarket Assets have been distributed to NxtVenture holders, see NxtVenture thread for details.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: brandp on September 18, 2014, 06:47:03 pm
Wow, I almost missed that one.
I have been waiting for this a long time.
Congratulations to James and ProofKnuckle pushing this forward behind the scenes.

With OpenBazaar and Emunie coming at Q4 with their Markets there might be some first mover advantage for FreeMarket.

I am just missing one thing: Mixing. And maybe on a later stage: Escrow.

Is this planned?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: j0kercito on September 18, 2014, 06:52:16 pm
Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 18, 2014, 06:57:34 pm
Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 18, 2014, 07:29:34 pm
I am just missing one thing: Mixing. And maybe on a later stage: Escrow.

Is this planned?
I will be pushing hard escrow and reputation services. However the top priority is the ease of use.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: brandp on September 18, 2014, 08:06:44 pm
Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on September 18, 2014, 08:12:34 pm
Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

And multisig... and arbitrars...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 18, 2014, 08:39:04 pm
Thanks for the assets.

I hope FreeMarket is running wild soon. It can be an amazing development for showing the NXT potential to the masses.

Step by step, a marketplace for physical goods can get lots of attention.

My (personal, dream) goal is to release before the end of this month.  :)

I admire your courage. Despite being one of the advocates of FreeMarket since the beginning of discussions about FreeMarket last April, I would - at this moment - not recommend merchants to sell their products through NXT FreeMarket until there is a mixing service in place.
But I am sure, James has already thought this through...

I think that as new features are added, it will become attractive to wider audiences. But the important thing to do right now is get it out the door and into the hands of those who will use it as is. I subscribe to Clayton Christensen's theory about "low-end disruption": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_innovation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_innovation)

Get your product out the door, even if it's not feature-complete, and improve it over time.

Mixing, reputation, escrow, and other features will make it more useful to more people. But waiting for it to be "finished" before shipping is a recipe for never shipping.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: farl4bit on September 18, 2014, 09:32:07 pm
Great job guys! I am very curious about this project. And thanks for the assets, always nice to see some new assets in my inbox.  ;D

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 09:13:56 am
http://www.powersellersunite.com/auctionsitewatch.php just a look at volumes of real world auction sites

bter will start trading FreeMarket very soon

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: freeworm on September 19, 2014, 09:19:40 am
FreeMarket (NXT asset 134138275353332190) is added to BTER's BTC market at 

https://bter.com/trade/mrkt_btc

Deposit

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/MRKT .
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: cc001 on September 19, 2014, 09:26:32 am
bter will start trading FreeMarket very soon
FreeMarket (NXT asset 134138275353332190) is added to BTER's BTC market at 

lol, just for the future, jl777's "very soon" means 5min 44sec :D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: NotSure on September 19, 2014, 11:53:05 am
I'm confused, is this the NXT version of OpenBazaar ?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 19, 2014, 12:19:53 pm
I'm confused, is this the NXT version of OpenBazaar ?

NXT already has the functionality of a free market in the core, but FreeMarket will be an enhanced version of such a market on the Nxt blockchain.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ladrillófilo on September 19, 2014, 01:14:22 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 19, 2014, 01:18:00 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

Nxt Marketplace is decentralized and cannot be shutdown by anyone. U could sell rockets to IS and no one could stop u. Openbazaar is similar, but uses Bitcoin instead of Nxt. Ebay... well u know it.

Could someone jump in and explain FreeMarket please.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 19, 2014, 01:19:03 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 19, 2014, 01:21:11 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on September 19, 2014, 01:22:23 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.


OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.

Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 19, 2014, 01:25:01 pm
Can anyone make a difference between FreeMarket and Openbazaar and maybe Ebay? This is confusing for all the newbies like me.

Sorry for my english  ::)

I am not up to date on everything that OpenBazaar is doing, but I think this is, more or less, the NXT version of OpenBazaar (though I think we will release before they do).

OpenBazaar has no additional fees. I would rather see ur efforts put into a fee-less version of FreeMarket instead of another venture which tries to make money.


OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.

Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.

At least some people could work on an enhanced Nxt Marketplace version which was kinda proposed by Aaron many weeks ago. It looks like u guys do it, but unfortunately, it won't be free. But maybe ur approach to have support and marketing is good.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bobthebuilder on September 19, 2014, 01:40:33 pm
A point I wanted to add before I forget.
message system as db is fine, be sure to add in encryption key change every day/month/week or something.
Imagine this scenario.
user1 gets a visit from LE, they spill their nxt password and LE logs in. They now have access to transaction history of account and can form all the relationships with user2, 3, 4, 5 needed to move forward in the bully way.
If the encryption keys changed in a deterministic fashion you could only have to worry about 1 month or so of history on each account.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: gs02xzz on September 19, 2014, 02:27:16 pm
OpenBazaar wants to earn money using their escrow system.
Anyways I think that it is better to monetize something so that support and marketing can be done, instead of doing nothing.

This is a good idea. You can make it free for listing at the beginning for a certain time to attract customers. In the mean time you can provide escrow service for buyers and sellers to facilitate the deals. This was how Ali beat Ebay on China C2C market.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: apenzl on September 19, 2014, 09:55:57 pm
Just thread-diggin'…

BOUNTY CURRENTLY SET AT 350,000NXT

if i actually do get this thing made im going to be such a pain in everyones ass. every time someone tries to talk to me im going to say "do you have any items listed on the goods store for sale?" :P if we all do our part to make sure this is a well fleshed out store than we really will have a killer app on our hands. i for one will be listing every old thing i can find in my house that im willing to part with :D

Every time my cat walks across my keyboard, I will consider listing him.

4 days after the bounty was announced:



is this working yet ? zzzzzzzz :-\
Actually it is functioning. Please test it and find bugs. I will give you a cracker if you find one

James

 :D

Well done.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 20, 2014, 09:34:47 am
Chinese description (http://forum.nxtchina.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=879&page=1&extra=#pid2166) of FreeMarket and shared to ppl.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: superresistant on September 21, 2014, 07:56:39 am
 
Thanks for the free money... again.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: juicyjuice87 on September 22, 2014, 04:39:28 am
I like this. Should I buy @ the current price? Please forgive my ignorance
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: youyou on September 22, 2014, 05:21:12 am
I like this. Should I buy @ the current price? Please forgive my ignorance

don't buy before having an idea of what you are doing.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: juicyjuice87 on September 22, 2014, 09:22:47 am
To late :p
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: apenzl on September 22, 2014, 12:35:37 pm
To late :p

Learning by doing.  ;D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on September 23, 2014, 07:46:26 am
How do you beta test? Is there a special signup link?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: apenzl on September 23, 2014, 08:06:58 am
How do you beta test? Is there a special signup link?

If you want to beta test, PM one of us here, or use the email address on the website.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 23, 2014, 09:22:36 am
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: youyou on September 23, 2014, 09:42:11 am
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Testnet  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 23, 2014, 09:44:43 am
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 23, 2014, 09:47:48 am
How do you beta test? Is there a special signup link?
We run closed beta now and do not want to leak the essential parts of the software. So candidates pass some screening to participate in testing. When we are ready for open beta you are welcome to participate.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 23, 2014, 10:10:30 am
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: starfishi on September 23, 2014, 05:21:49 pm
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
what about "me me" :)

edit: sorry, couldn`t resist
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: provenceday on September 24, 2014, 05:18:00 am
how about list this on bitcointalk?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: youyou on September 24, 2014, 07:19:44 am
For run testnet,I just need to change testnet=true,right?
the wallet add is also http://localhost:7876/  ?
No, it's 6876
Thanks blackyblack1 and youyou. :)
what about "me me" :)

edit: sorry, couldn`t resist

funny but not relevant because i'm not an english speaker :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 24, 2014, 08:09:09 am
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on September 24, 2014, 08:12:14 am
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 24, 2014, 08:21:21 am
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 24, 2014, 01:26:31 pm
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on September 25, 2014, 03:39:38 am
I'm a newb to the forum but I'm a developer. Still need beta testers?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 25, 2014, 05:49:19 am
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)
Haha
Some info and test pictures on NxtChina (http://forum.nxtchina.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=879).
Shared on weibo (http://weibo.com/nxtcoin). :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 25, 2014, 06:02:45 am
over 400 BTC of volume last 24 hours!
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/freemarket/#markets

but why
I might have done some promoting in China

Wow! I am glad that the first localization of FreeMarket is Chinese!  8)
Haha
Some info and test pictures on NxtChina (http://forum.nxtchina.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=879).
Shared on weibo (http://weibo.com/nxtcoin). :)
I see pictures on weibo but NxtChina is broken for me.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on September 25, 2014, 06:24:58 pm
Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 25, 2014, 06:36:01 pm
Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: colin012 on September 25, 2014, 06:59:22 pm
When can I start using free market?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on September 25, 2014, 07:09:20 pm
Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)

A 3rd party service that is kinda open source and you can choose after what time your messages should be destructed.

Or we would simply use pgp on the 3rd party service.

The 3rd party service would have to be designed in such a way that it's concept is very clear and (? if it's possible open source and the definite termination of the messages ensured)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 25, 2014, 07:31:03 pm
When can I start using free market?

I am aiming for the end of this month, though that exact day is a busy one for me, so it may a day or so after.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on September 25, 2014, 07:34:05 pm
Is there a way to implement message destruction?

That might be a critical feature because if sellers get busted, they might reveal all their data which would mean for customers -> they are fucked

But amazing project nevertheless!  :)

I don't know of any way to remove arbitrary messages from the blockchain, but I don't think that would solve this particular problem. The messages (and shipping addresses and methods) are encrypted, but you are worried that a seller (or buyer) might voluntarily (or under duress) decrypt that information in order to share it. However, there is nothing to stop sellers and buyers from saving this information off the blockchain when they decrypt it the first time, whether on computers, paper, or even in their heads.

I don't have a technological way solution, but I do think encryption keeps this information safe in circumstances other than this one.

Perhaps the best sellers will be those who have a publicly stated way they avoid this, such as not keeping records outside the blockchain, and taking all orders through an account that doesn't have a high balance, so they wouldn't mind "forgetting" their passphrase for it.

I am happy to entertain other solutions if any one has one :)
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"sendmessage","dest":"13434315136155299987","msg":"hello"}'

or the RPC equivalent will send an encrypted message between any two SuperNET nodes (wallets), so no need to store anything on the blockchain
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on September 25, 2014, 08:44:23 pm
This jl777  ;D
Once again upon ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujeFUXOXg0
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on September 25, 2014, 08:52:33 pm
This jl777  ;D
Once again upon ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujeFUXOXg0

Niiiceee.... Shpongle!!:D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on September 25, 2014, 09:23:17 pm
knew someone would like it  :D

k sry back to topic  :-X
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 26, 2014, 01:16:40 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 26, 2014, 01:23:50 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on September 26, 2014, 01:27:36 pm
I see pictures on weibo but NxtChina is broken for me.
Yes,the server is not stable sometimes.U can fresh and re-try it. :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 26, 2014, 01:47:53 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Stadtfeger on September 26, 2014, 03:37:17 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 26, 2014, 03:52:38 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 26, 2014, 04:17:14 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Stadtfeger on September 26, 2014, 04:41:55 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on September 26, 2014, 04:51:33 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!

We need a user base who will rely on FreeMarket for their sales on an ongoing basis. This seems like a good way to build that user base. :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 26, 2014, 05:03:12 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yes, we are based in the US. We have 15 beehives and haven't been able to sell it all. It's really good and helps my allergies, being local to me.  :)

i will buy it.

Great, can't wait for October 12  :)

Also, no fees for the rest of 2014! (Other than the 1 NXT fee that the network charges for transactions.)

good choice!

We need a user base who will rely on FreeMarket for their sales on an ongoing basis. This seems like a good way to build that user base. :)

Yes, I will be selling on an ongoing basis, at least as much as I can supply. Obviously, I have a vested interest in BitcoinDark and SuperNET and have already picked up a few freemarket assets. I think this market is important in what it represents and hope to help out as much as I can.

Matthew
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on September 26, 2014, 08:58:21 pm
My family member has a small honey business, I can't wait to sell them on freemarket  :)

That will be soon!

Release date: October 12th!

Also, I love honey, you ship to the US?

Yay a release date!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: damon on September 27, 2014, 01:00:54 am
This is fantabulous-tic - FreeMarket is going to beat OpenBazaar to the punch..
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: prometheus on September 28, 2014, 12:51:44 am
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

how would Freemarket utilize coins like Storj or Sia?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on September 28, 2014, 12:58:37 am
With no central servers, where are the photos being stored?

There is a variety of anonymous image hosting services. The FreeMarket UI includes some guidance on how to pick and use them.

Alternatively, if you don't care about anonymity (and not all users will, some will just come for the vastly lower fees), you can host your image anywhere.

I see. StorJ would be an excellent hook to use when it is released:)

WHOA.

I had never heard of that. I know what I'll be reading tonight, thanks!!!  :)

how would Freemarket utilize coins like Storj or Sia?

Storj isn't primarily a coin but a decentralised/distributed storage system. Participants get paid to keep encrypted information on their HDDs in return for payment. This could easily be used to host images, but I am not sure how that would be implemented in a fully decentralised way (some server would still be needed to fetch the images from the storj and display it on the website.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 30, 2014, 12:39:40 am
I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: colin012 on September 30, 2014, 12:58:34 am
Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 30, 2014, 05:35:24 am
I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: rubenbc on September 30, 2014, 04:04:59 pm
I have spent my last few nxt in this asset. I think going on the right track.

good luck

accept bit donation XD  ;D ;D

regards
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 30, 2014, 04:22:34 pm
I have spent my last few nxt in this asset. I think going on the right track.

good luck

accept bit donation XD  ;D ;D

regards

me too  ;D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: colin012 on September 30, 2014, 04:26:43 pm
I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on September 30, 2014, 04:34:45 pm

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?

Standard client Marketplace has no pictures, shipping options etc.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on September 30, 2014, 04:35:36 pm
I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
Doesn't the marketplace only support digital goods?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 02, 2014, 07:10:34 pm
I'm glad that an official release date has been announced.

How is testing going?

This is just what we need!
Testing is in progress. We found a couple of bugs but most of the work is on the frontend.

Yeah. I will pay the fee to be listed any day. :)
You don't need to pay. FreeMarket will be having zero fees till 2015. As a seller you will be paying only transaction fees which are 1 NXT for listing and 1 NXT for buy confirmation.

Awesome! What benifits does the offer over the marketplace?
Doesn't the marketplace only support digital goods?

The digital goods store only supports digital goods.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 02, 2014, 07:12:34 pm
Just to get this in as many places as possible:

https://nxtforum.org/job-board/javascript-wizard-needed-for-freemarket/ (https://nxtforum.org/job-board/javascript-wizard-needed-for-freemarket/)

JavaScript help needed for FreeMarket, tell your friends (who know JavaScript)!

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Zahlen on October 05, 2014, 04:39:12 am
Very interested in the service and the asset, but what does 1 Freemarket token represent?

(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on October 05, 2014, 05:02:00 am
Very interested in the service and the asset, but what does 1 Freemarket token represent?

(Sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)
"A 20% revenue sharing agreement with SuperNET allows for 80% of the listing fees to be distributed as dividends."

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Zahlen on October 05, 2014, 05:31:54 am
Do the currently existing 1,000,000 Freemarket tokens represent the entirety of what those dividends are paid out to? i.e. each Freemarket token will receive 1/1,250,000 of all listing fees?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on October 05, 2014, 05:58:15 am
yes
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Zahlen on October 05, 2014, 01:26:36 pm
Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 06, 2014, 05:25:34 pm
Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 06, 2014, 05:53:25 pm
Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?

Yes indeed we are :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 06, 2014, 07:44:15 pm
Are we still on schedule for an October 12 opening?

Yes indeed we are :)

Excellent  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 06, 2014, 10:19:03 pm
will the sell walls come down then?  seems like the price is being suppressed on purpose instead of allowing free trade to determine it
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 06, 2014, 10:30:31 pm
What will be the selling restrictions?

For example, guns can be bought and sold in the US (armslist.com) but not in many other countries. Will these sales, and gun related objects be restricted?

Just curious as I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on October 06, 2014, 10:46:51 pm
Look at the name. I think that is the intention.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 06, 2014, 10:54:36 pm
Look at the name. I think that is the intention.

Ah ok.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 06, 2014, 11:56:00 pm

Just curious as I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

That's intentional.  ;)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 08, 2014, 07:58:36 pm
why is the dev team setting up sell walls to suppress the price?  blackyblack? you're not trying to hide it, I can see that much

this is not FUD, I'm holding some I bought at 63, maybe I'm wrong about this, but this is no way to get noobs interested, though maybe you're trying to discourage people like me on purpose, I can only guess and try to reason it out for myself here...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on October 08, 2014, 08:08:32 pm
Those are no walls, that is simple liquidity. If the price was so low, people could just buy.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 08, 2014, 08:14:08 pm
why is the dev team setting up sell walls to suppress the price?  blackyblack? you're not trying to hide it, I can see that much

this is not FUD, I'm holding some I bought at 63, maybe I'm wrong about this, but this is no way to get noobs interested, though maybe you're trying to discourage people like me on purpose, I can only guess and try to reason it out for myself here...

I'll display my ignorance here: what is a sell wall?

Also, as one of the devs, I can say I have no interest in suppressing the price.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 08, 2014, 08:24:08 pm
Sell walls are just big sell orders. The name comes from the order book view that you can see here: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/nxt/btc/bter/10-days - there are lots of orders at 0.00012, making it look like a wall we have to climb.

The Bee Maya account put one up for Freemarket. :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 08, 2014, 08:41:24 pm
Sell walls are just big sell orders. The name comes from the order book view that you can see here: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/nxt/btc/bter/10-days - there are lots of orders at 0.00012, making it look like a wall we have to climb.

Ah, thanks!

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 08, 2014, 08:48:01 pm
well like I said I'm just trying to understand it, I've been seeing blackyblack (NXT-9HP3-8QJW-NY3Y-9QLLZ) put in lower and lower sell orders over the last couple weeks, I can only guess if the other big orders are related to the project or not, certainly seems like they must have paid less for it than I did, good thing I didn't spend too much on it
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on October 08, 2014, 08:48:44 pm
I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 08, 2014, 10:52:20 pm
I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.

I can buy that, I wasn't necessarily trying to accuse anybody of wrongdoing, can't wait to see this thing in action!  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 09, 2014, 12:36:11 am
I bet this was just his pay and he needs some NXT so he is cashing some assets out. Nothing wrong with that.

I can buy that, I wasn't necessarily trying to accuse anybody of wrongdoing, can't wait to see this thing in action!  :)

I sold 10 assets just to see how it worked; I haven't sold any since, and I have used only assets as payment.

I see this as a very long term project, and I plan to HODL.

And you can see it in action on Sunday!  :)

PoofKnuckle
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 09, 2014, 04:25:56 am
well like I said I'm just trying to understand it, I've been seeing blackyblack (NXT-9HP3-8QJW-NY3Y-9QLLZ) put in lower and lower sell orders over the last couple weeks, I can only guess if the other big orders are related to the project or not, certainly seems like they must have paid less for it than I did, good thing I didn't spend too much on it
Ok, ok you caught me.
FreeMarket has 2 options to pay the expenses:
1. With cash (NXT)
2. With assets.

We prefer to pay to trusted or community members with assets. But for third-party payments it is better to use cash. Eg we want to pay some big merchant and decide to do it with assets. We will need to explain what is AE and how much each share costs and still pay 200% of what we could pay in cash. The next step to the merchant is to cash out these shares so he dumps them on AE and the price goes down.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 09, 2014, 08:43:58 pm
well hopefully more people will want to buy these assets you're handing out to pay the expenses after the product is launched, thanks for the explanation
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 10, 2014, 04:42:25 am
Now someone is really dumping on the AE. FreeMarket dropped down to 35 and Privatebet down to 20. And it is 2 day before FreeMarket release and prior to NeoDICE start.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: slothbag on October 10, 2014, 06:17:54 am
Buy the rumor, sell the news
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: juicyjuice87 on October 10, 2014, 06:24:34 am
It's an abomination
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: slothbag on October 10, 2014, 07:51:51 am
It's an abomination

You speculating or know for a fact?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: juicyjuice87 on October 10, 2014, 10:50:01 am
Just playing slothbag
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 10, 2014, 01:07:42 pm
Now someone is really dumping on the AE. FreeMarket dropped down to 35 and Privatebet down to 20. And it is 2 day before FreeMarket release and prior to NeoDICE start.

Some people are weird, that's my conclusion.  ;)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: rubenbc on October 10, 2014, 02:09:21 pm
who is dumping freemarket? it's just the beginnig, we are going in bad direccion.

investors want stability and profits

regards
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: TwinWinNerD on October 10, 2014, 02:37:47 pm
I am always boggled that people complain, that the thing, they want to hold longterm for dividends, is TOO CHEAP NOW.

Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 10, 2014, 05:26:56 pm
Seems strange that there isn't more hype around this... I don't get it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 10, 2014, 05:54:48 pm
Seems strange that there isn't more hype around this... I don't get it.

Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 11, 2014, 10:02:05 am
Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on October 11, 2014, 11:22:18 am
I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.

I agree, ThomasVeil--if we begin to PR every significant evolution and milestone in the nxt ecosystem, we will bring more and more people into it. As MGW, instantdex, atomic, freemarket, MS, TF, supernet, nxtinspect go live, they get press releases. Another series of PRs could describe the increasing volume on the AE: $100,000/day, then $250,000/day, then $1M/day. People want to be part of a growing success story.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on October 11, 2014, 11:22:29 am
doublepost
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Uniqueorn on October 11, 2014, 01:59:24 pm
Got me... but then we aren't doing much PR. If anyone knows PR and wants to help out, PM me and we can work something out. I have lots of ideas, but don't have the time or the skill to implement them...

I think that's exactly what the NXT-ORG is for. They are ready to work on marketing - and I feel actually lacking specific assignments.
But as Damelon pointed out before: It only makes sense to promote to the masses when a project is finished and polished. Freemarket I suppose is nearing that stage - so it's good to let them prepare stuff. I feel for example proper Press Releases with media material and then sent to news outlets can do a lot.

Re: NXT-ORG, yes the problem is lack of funds. Marketing to the outside world isn't cheap and requires a lot of time, we're also looking for new members, so anyone that wants to volunteer: PM.

I completely disagree with the other point: Ethereum marketed ideas to the tune of ~18 million USD. Open Bazaar has also marketed themselves beautifully in the media and cryptoworld without even being near to beta. They have got international attention for an idea, an idea that NXT was already working on.

There's absolutely no reason to wait with marketing and building excitement until the product is done.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on October 11, 2014, 03:01:10 pm
Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 11, 2014, 03:06:30 pm
Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.

Cassius wrote us a great press release, so we have that ready to go.

If anyone wants to translate it and/or distribute it, please let me know.

PoofKnuckle
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 11, 2014, 09:10:25 pm
Agree with you, uniqueorn, no need to wait, and there's already lots to brag about. Is there funding available for sending out PRs? Thanks.

Cassius wrote us a great press release, so we have that ready to go.

If anyone wants to translate it and/or distribute it, please let me know.

PoofKnuckle

If nobody else has done it, I could get it translated into Chinese. We need some press releases! Everyone knows about OpenBazaar, and I think this is just as good if not better.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on October 12, 2014, 01:44:37 am
If nobody has translated it into Russian and you think it worthwhile I could have a whack at it. Cryptos have been banned in Russia, but I doubt that's stopping anybody who is interested.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Tosch110 on October 12, 2014, 02:38:40 am
From my opinion, I know I am going to share this and want this to get to the market once its available (very soon now).

I think every translation, article, sharing will be very welcome. Since there is the software which is going to be released, there is no much doubts. But there is not a big PR agenture behind Freemarket, which will push it like OpenBazaar, Alibaba or whatelse is out there. So, lets try it, see whats possible and get innovative with whats possible with the Software ourselves =)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 12, 2014, 02:47:16 am
I have just posted the very first item to FreeMarket on the live net. That was a long 6 months or so, but it is up and running! I am just working on writing up installation instructions, and I will make the download available on Sunday morning my time (New York Time).

In another post I'll thank all the wonderful people on this forum who helped make this a reality. Right now, I just have more work to do, and I don't want to spare the time until FreeMarket is launched and in the wild.

PoofKnuckle

(https://www.anonimg.com/img/0a4321dd4c921320aadcc80e85a8470e.jpg)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 12, 2014, 02:58:13 am
By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Tosch110 on October 12, 2014, 03:14:07 am
By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

I am excited to see how it finally works. Does it require to have NXT running and afterwards I start Freemarket? Is there an installer which also includes NXT? But its not missing much until its released so I will see it soon anyway =)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on October 12, 2014, 03:14:44 am
Does it support arbitrars like OpenBazaar?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Tosch110 on October 12, 2014, 03:18:19 am
Does it support arbitrars like OpenBazaar?

Can I ask, what is arbitrars?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on October 12, 2014, 03:19:08 am
Rated dispute resolution escrow agents that can be agreed upon before transacting with someone.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: stone on October 12, 2014, 03:41:14 am
welcome to join.

We are planning to build Chinese community.

QQ group:
155 239 603

weibo:
http://weibo.com/u/5322511289

China's e-commerce is a world leader. freemarket will get better development in China.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 12, 2014, 05:07:50 am
By the way, animated gifs work in item listings. I don't know why, but that just makes me very happy.  :)

I am excited to see how it finally works. Does it require to have NXT running and afterwards I start Freemarket? Is there an installer which also includes NXT? But its not missing much until its released so I will see it soon anyway =)
FreeMarket must be started with NRS running. We have a bundle script to start both at once. It is installed alike NXTServices eg unzip into your NXT client folder.
No arbitrars for you. We will work on reputation service but for now we will simply collect information about good and bad sellers on the forum.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: hamiltino on October 12, 2014, 06:06:00 am
You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-Bitmarkets
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: hamiltino on October 12, 2014, 06:10:57 am
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Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on October 12, 2014, 06:40:26 am
You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
SuperNET will take care of privacy: https://forum.thesupernet.org/index.php?topic=154.msg1291#msg1291

James

P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: hamiltino on October 12, 2014, 06:46:59 am
You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on October 12, 2014, 06:49:35 am
You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
so because the NXT gui hasnt added a tickbox to use TOR you call it a joke?
I doubt this will be much work for a GUI/installer guy to do
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: hamiltino on October 12, 2014, 07:09:10 am
You need the ability to hide peoples ip address otherwise its just another joke p2p marketplace with no use case other than to give nxt more value.

-emunie marketplace
-masknetwork
-openBazzar
-Nxt Freemarket

OpenBazzar still wins because it will give the user the option to route through the TOR network.
P.S. You can also use Tor for NXT

Its important to take into account the ease of use. I would have to figure out how to set it up or go through some tutorial to make it work vs ticking a box "yes i do want to use TOR"
so because the NXT gui hasnt added a tickbox to use TOR you call it a joke?
I doubt this will be much work for a GUI/installer guy to do

Yes every little detail counts when you are taking on bitcoin. You can't except people to switch to NXT unless the marketplace is ABSOLUTLY perfect and superior to everything else. If not, the marketplace will drown amongst the sea of competitors. From a consumer perspective, it looks like a joke because there is alot of copy cat, follow the hype action going on. but that's probably because I didn't know anything about this marketplace until now, maybe you guys were developing this before everyone. Whateva
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: curio on October 12, 2014, 07:53:36 am
finally! Got some nice items prepared for the start :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 12, 2014, 07:54:48 am
Whateva
Indeed.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: curio on October 12, 2014, 02:26:22 pm
any ETA? :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 12, 2014, 02:42:15 pm
any ETA? :)
Soon. We are bundling everything together.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 12, 2014, 05:04:15 pm
October 12th = October 12th

A bit sloppy, this...  :-\

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cookie_monster_waiting.gif)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 12, 2014, 05:26:45 pm
Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 12, 2014, 05:34:31 pm
Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.
Meh. That's not how it works. You must be a programmer... 8)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: prometheus on October 12, 2014, 05:57:15 pm
October 12th = October 12th

A bit sloppy, this...  :-\

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cookie_monster_waiting.gif)

better to have a "late" release than a sloppy release. look at node coin
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: curio on October 12, 2014, 06:03:35 pm
Yeah, it's still 12th October outside.

nearly over here :D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 12, 2014, 06:18:22 pm
And this is why NXT (services) can't be marketed yet ;D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 12, 2014, 08:29:11 pm
BOOM, go get it:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/ (http://nxtfreemarket.com/)

There is a download link near the top, under the language menu.

Or go directly here:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html (http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html)

Instructions only in English for now. That will change as fast as I can get to it.

I think we won't make any big announcement until people here have banged on it for a while. We had great testers, but more testers are sure to find bugs that we haven't already, and we'd like a wider release not to be overshadowed by problems. So please, go get it, test it, tell us if you break it :)

Feature requests are welcome too, of course, but more useful in the short term are bug reports.

PoofKnuckle

P.S. I would put an animated GIF right here, but frankly, I am too tired to bother.  :)


Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 12, 2014, 08:32:46 pm
Something like this:

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1571472/creepy-smile-o.gif)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 12, 2014, 08:35:46 pm
Something like this:

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1571472/creepy-smile-o.gif)

Oooooooh yeaaaaaaah. That's the one. :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 12, 2014, 09:02:18 pm
When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

 nxt.dumpPeersVersion not defined
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 12, 2014, 09:56:22 pm
When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

 nxt.dumpPeersVersion not defined

If you had NRS running before you installed, you may want to kill the Java process before starting up again. Not sure if that will fix it...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 12, 2014, 10:06:47 pm
Congrats!!

BOOM, go get it:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/ (http://nxtfreemarket.com/)

There is a download link near the top, under the language menu.

Or go directly here:

http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html (http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html)

Instructions only in English for now. That will change as fast as I can get to it.

I think we won't make any big announcement until people here have banged on it for a while. We had great testers, but more testers are sure to find bugs that we haven't already, and we'd like a wider release not to be overshadowed by problems. So please, go get it, test it, tell us if you break it :)

Feature requests are welcome too, of course, but more useful in the short term are bug reports.

PoofKnuckle

P.S. I would put an animated GIF right here, but frankly, I am too tired to bother.  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 12, 2014, 10:15:49 pm
Nice, I will try it tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 12, 2014, 11:07:42 pm
Nice nice!
Trying to add my little part with twitter: https://twitter.com/oxpal/status/521428135871782912
Hm, broad hashtags seem to do good.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 12:07:04 am
Does the blockchain need to be caught up? I can see the freemarket but I can't view any items.

Also, the second java terminal is giving me this error:

WARNING: Cannot open Market. Retrying in 30 seconds...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 12:14:22 am
Does the blockchain need to be caught up? I can see the freemarket but I can't view any items.

Also, the second java terminal is giving me this error:

WARNING: Cannot open Market. Retrying in 30 seconds...

The blockchain does need to be up to date, yes.

The warning you see just means that NRS isn't completely ready, so FreeMarket can't connect. It will just keep trying once every 30 seconds until NRS is ready.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: allwelder on October 13, 2014, 03:36:42 am
Great ,it's coming.
Shared (http://forum.nxtchina.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=879&extra=page%3D1) with simple instruction.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: a7594li on October 13, 2014, 05:12:35 am
Good, but open the product page have a little slow ;)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 05:19:19 am
When I try to run nxt with Freemarket copied into it, I keep getting this error:

 nxt.dumpPeersVersion not defined
Take a look here: https://nxtforum.org/general/nxt-dumppeersversion-not-defined/
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 13, 2014, 05:32:56 am
Are you planning to elaborate the download section soon?
- I think you shouldn't link directly to a NXT zip-file. People unfamiliar with NXT don't know bitbucket or a dev JeanLucPicard. Why would they trust the zip-file? Better to link to the 'official' NXT-site http://nxt.org/get-started-nxt/download-nxt-software
- Also, how would people know that it's safe to download the Freemarket plugin? Could be a trojan. Is it opensource? Is the code checked by a trusted dev? Do the hashes match? :P

I think it might be wise to address these question for a greater audience.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 05:44:17 am
Are you planning to elaborate the download section soon?
- I think you shouldn't link directly to a NXT zip-file. People unfamiliar with NXT don't know bitbucket or a dev JeanLucPicard. Why would they trust the zip-file? Better to link to the 'official' NXT-site http://nxt.org/get-started-nxt/download-nxt-software
- Also, how would people know that it's safe to download the Freemarket plugin? Could be a trojan. Is it opensource? Is the code checked by a trusted dev? Do the hashes match? :P

I think it might be wise to address these question for a greater audience.
You are right. We can give a link to NXT and zip file with hash signature to verify it.
We can give also a signature for Freemarket plugin. But we cannot opensourse core yet. You can check plugin code by yourself - it is plain javascript and we can give a source code to trusted dev to check it but we cannot leak it to prevent clones.
On the 2015 ETA we want to ship plain javascript opensource FreeMarket without a core.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: spiler on October 13, 2014, 06:44:37 am
Great Job...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on October 13, 2014, 07:12:14 am
My UI is a little wonky now, is that expected?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 07:32:12 am
My UI is a little wonky now, is that expected?
Did you try to clean cache of your browser? What exactly is "wonky" for you?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Fortis on October 13, 2014, 01:24:00 pm
want to see some  screenshot of freemarket?anyone?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: curio on October 13, 2014, 01:42:34 pm
chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 01:45:42 pm
chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: curio on October 13, 2014, 01:48:18 pm
nvm, fixed
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on October 13, 2014, 02:02:49 pm
A little remedial help, please! I am not entirely computer literate and can only find a NXT client application on my macbook pro. I can't seem to locate the nxt client folder, which makes it impossible to swap out html folders.

Would somebody please assist me in locating the nxt client folder?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Abraxas 147 on October 13, 2014, 02:23:55 pm
I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 02:27:46 pm
A little remedial help, please! I am not entirely computer literate and can only find a NXT client application on my macbook pro. I can't seem to locate the nxt client folder, which makes it impossible to swap out html folders.

Would somebody please assist me in locating the nxt client folder?

On a back, the html folder is in the package contents of the app.  If you hold control down and then click on the app (in Finder), you should get an option to Show Package Contents.  From there click Contents -> Resources -> nxt and the html folder should be there.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 02:29:26 pm
I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?

From my understanding, you should be able to swap the folders since the FreeMarket one will override everything in the folder
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: VanBreuk on October 13, 2014, 02:48:24 pm
Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 03:02:57 pm
I have nxtservices installed. Can I swap html folder without deleting the ui folder with nxtservices inside or do I have to reinstall them afterwards?
Yes, you can. FreeMarket comes bundled with NxtServices 1.4.8.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 03:04:28 pm
Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
We already had a conversation about SuperNet GUI. NxtServices and FreeMarket do not interact but we will need to update FreeMarket plugin every time we have new NxtServices version.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: VanBreuk on October 13, 2014, 03:21:37 pm
Suggestion: talk to longzai1988 and integrate FreeMarket in the incoming SuperNET GUI v1.

This should avoid bad interactions between FreeMarket GUI and existing Nxt Services GUI like MGW or Dividends, that at this moment are likely to happen.
We already had a conversation about SuperNet GUI. NxtServices and FreeMarket do not interact but we will need to update FreeMarket plugin every time we have new NxtServices version.

Good to know. Just beware of chain-reactions triggered by NRS changes > Nxt Services changes > FreeMarket changes that might make things difficult for end users thanks to different, separated nested software versions. For as long as there is no plugin support in the core, the less dependencies and extra installation requirements, the better.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 03:41:44 pm
Do the hashes match? :P


LOL.

You are right, of course, this needs to be as clear and easy a process as possible, and trustworthy.

And the hashes must match.  :P
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 13, 2014, 04:36:33 pm
chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!

(http://i.imgur.com/XSf5IMy.png)

Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on October 13, 2014, 04:37:30 pm
chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!

(http://i.imgur.com/XSf5IMy.png)

Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.
I got the same thing.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 04:37:40 pm
chrome gave me a warning for this download. not so good.

When you downloaded it here http://nxtfreemarket.com/download.html, chrome gave you a warning about the download?  What did it say?  What OS and version are you running too?
I just tried it here and it didn't throw any warnings in chrome (it could be because I have downloaded it before and it's a first time only thing).

Thanks!

(http://i.imgur.com/XSf5IMy.png)

Windows 7 in Chrome browser. I have to click the dropdown and select 'Keep'.

Huh, I have never seen that before. Is it an add-on?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 04:42:50 pm
I got that too.

Just click the arrow to the right of 'Discard' and click 'Keep'.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 04:51:54 pm
Is there a way to filter sold and cancelled items?

Also, where can we leave a review for someone?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 13, 2014, 04:52:33 pm

Huh, I have never seen that before. Is it an add-on?

I don't think it's an add-on.
Might be the "Enable phishing and malware protection" that's enabled in the Chrome options?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/kaJ0cSw91Ng
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/E4V4meCvMeY/er6wFfTt2aIJ
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 13, 2014, 05:31:30 pm
When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 05:33:14 pm
When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"

It sounds like Nxt Services is not running.  How did you start up the client?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 05:40:32 pm
When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: th4o on October 13, 2014, 05:53:25 pm
When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.

I´ve the same problem. Started with run_market.sh and in incognito mode....
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 05:57:29 pm
When I click any link under Buy I just get a throbbing circle, when I try to "List New Item" nothing happens after I click "Post Item"
And clean browser cache. Or open your wallet in Incognito mode of Google Chrome.

I´ve the same problem. Started with run_market.sh and in incognito mode....
Could you also tell me what is in your freemarket.log? Do your wallet main functions working? Do you use browser to access your wallet?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: th4o on October 13, 2014, 06:17:20 pm
There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 06:20:40 pm
There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: th4o on October 13, 2014, 06:27:01 pm
~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jefdiesel on October 13, 2014, 06:27:44 pm
got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 06:33:03 pm
~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade
Now check your wallet for FreeMarket service.
Hint: you can open nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/index.html for standalone FreeMarket.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 06:34:29 pm
got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)
Yeah I think it must be hidden. What is exactly an integration with LastPass?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: th4o on October 13, 2014, 06:41:08 pm
~/nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass$ ./run.sh
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: NxtPass 1.0.9
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Started API server at 127.0.0.1:7777
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market NXT-6EEL-B3HC-JSNV-5W4CR status:
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market version is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Transaction fee is set to 100000000
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Default listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Double listing fee is set to 1
2014-10-13 20:26:00 INFO: Market is opened for trade
Now check your wallet for FreeMarket service.
Hint: you can open nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/index.html for standalone FreeMarket.

This did trick. If I´m starting the /nxt/run_market.sh and /nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass/run.sh at the same time it is working fine.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 13, 2014, 06:42:59 pm

got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)

I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 13, 2014, 06:43:33 pm
There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.

I'm not using that, it just gave me Java errors, so I put html into the Mac Package contents instead, at least that NXT wallet works
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 06:50:35 pm

got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)

I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.
It is a good idea since 3rd party verification has not been done yet. When we will have https/GPG/verification stuff all way down and hashes will match you will be really safe to use your main account.
For now you can use sniffer to check that passphrase is not sent to the outer world.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 06:53:20 pm
There is no freemarket.log within the nxt folder. Wallet is working fine. I never had any problems. I´m on linux with firefox to access my wallet.
Try to go to nxt/html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and execute run.sh and give me output of it.

I'm not using that, it just gave me Java errors, so I put html into the Mac Package contents instead, at least that NXT wallet works
Sorry for we was not able to troubleshoot your problem. We have plain javascript version of FreeMarket without this tricky java core inside. When it is ready it will be really easy to use FreeMarket.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: th4o on October 13, 2014, 06:58:37 pm
I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application Could not find or load main class


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jefdiesel on October 13, 2014, 07:00:18 pm

got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)

I think it may be a good idea to create a separate 'spending' account if you want to buy/sell via a non-core-NXT marketplace, or other service.

Any account with any spending amount in it should still have a 40char random password. This password still should be hidden, and password should be useable from a password manager.
Just because the software isn't 3rd party verified, doesn't mean it can't utilize proper security.

What is the protocol for lastpass? seems the field just needs <input type="password">.. seems like we missed a big step here..
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jefdiesel on October 13, 2014, 07:01:18 pm
I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application cannot be found or loaded


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

Yeah I had that same error. nxt.lock.db won't quit. coulnd't find the thread and had to reboot to kill it
It not 2 issues, only one.. Won't start since the DB is already running.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: joseginxt on October 13, 2014, 07:19:38 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 07:25:52 pm
I noticed 2 other issues:

./run_market.sh
Error: Class blackyblack.Application cannot be found or loaded


After stopping run_market.sh with Ctrl + C there is still a nxt process running. You have to kill it manually before restarting nxt, because it´s still using the database.

Yeah I had that same error. nxt.lock.db won't quit. coulnd't find the thread and had to reboot to kill it
It not 2 issues, only one.. Won't start since the DB is already running.
No it's two issues. FreeMarket core does not use the database so it must be started.
I noticed that NXT was not terminated gracefully after Ctrl + C but haven't come to solution yet.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 07:27:05 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 07:32:00 pm
Hmm...Suggestion since I didn't notice it before.  It looks like, by default, FreeMarket sorts the listing by name.  I would think that could be gamed and a better approach would be to sort the entries by listing date.
If this was already brought up, sorry about that, I didn't see it mentioned and wanted to make sure.

Great work!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 13, 2014, 07:34:31 pm
Hmm...Suggestion since I didn't notice it before.  It looks like, by default, FreeMarket sorts the listing by name.  I would think that could be gamed and a better approach would be to sort the entries by listing date.
If this was already brought up, sorry about that, I didn't see it mentioned and wanted to make sure.

Great work!
Thank you. We are working on it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 13, 2014, 07:49:45 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?

how?  as far as I know I need to do $bash run_market.sh which gives me an exception, is there an html file I can open?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 07:59:16 pm
got it up, didnt break MGW which is impressive, but I am frustrated that "secret phrase" is not integrated with LastPass

to buy, sell, or even view purchased items I need to enter my password in plain text.

(http://i.imgur.com/0d0Q8LP.png)
Yeah I think it must be hidden. What is exactly an integration with LastPass?

I'll make the pass phrase field hidden.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 08:02:35 pm
Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: joseginxt on October 13, 2014, 08:03:13 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on October 13, 2014, 08:09:45 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat

I don't believe you need Chrome, I think that comment was just for troubleshooting
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 08:12:00 pm
I have installed Freemarket in windows and it works, the offers appear, one of honey of Kentucky, nevertheless the AE does not work well: me my asset do not appear, in some asset they are absent the orders of selling or of buy, do not appear the hanging orders...
I have restored the folder html and now the AE works well
Could you try it in Incognito mode of Google Chrome?
do I use the official wallet, why I need Chrome?

Normally I open run.bat, for the freemarket I have opened run_market.bat

I don't believe you need Chrome, I think that comment was just for troubleshooting

I use it in Chrome, but I have also used in in Nxt Wallet. It does work, and you can install and run it in pretty much the same way. I have not written up instructions for that yet though.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 13, 2014, 08:19:01 pm
Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 08:20:45 pm
Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

Well, we definitely have an edge on them then. I just wish I had some more btc to buy more assets  :)

once it's been live for a while, we definitely need to get some professional pr going
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on October 13, 2014, 08:21:35 pm
Hell of a first release. Room for improvement, but definitely going to be an awesome platform that rivals anything I know of  :)

Thank you! We worked very hard on it, I am pleased with how it looks and runs. And OpenBazaar is not out of the gate yet.

But it is in beta and already has far more features, along with the "bitcoin" advantage... I hope this can keep up!
I also worry that if too many illicit items get sold on this market it will be a huge black mark against nxt as a system considering how it is integrated, while openbazaar is it's own seperate system. Really hope this doesn't backfire on us.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 13, 2014, 08:40:47 pm
Come on guys, let's get some more items for sale!  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on October 14, 2014, 04:53:45 am
website is down :(
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 14, 2014, 06:07:55 am
website is down :(
Too much downloads for a single day. We will fix it soon.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Abraxas 147 on October 14, 2014, 06:33:41 am
I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: KyLin on October 14, 2014, 06:40:12 am
How to install
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 14, 2014, 07:12:34 am
I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?
The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 14, 2014, 07:18:19 am
How to install
Do you have FreeMarket.zip?
Unzip somewhere and move it's content into the NRS folder. run_market.bat and run_market.sh should be placed near run.bat, run.sh and new html folder should overwrite previous html folder.
Execute run_market.bat (or run_market.sh on Mac/Linux) and wait until NRS ready to use. Clean cache of the browser and open your wallet.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 14, 2014, 12:17:21 pm
Reuploaded here:

https://mega.co.nz/#!RodmgLKT!ODjIWKaz9d2vTo6pWIzE6B5LMmLX_vP3Bge0QOw5cyI (https://mega.co.nz/#!RodmgLKT!ODjIWKaz9d2vTo6pWIzE6B5LMmLX_vP3Bge0QOw5cyI)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Abraxas 147 on October 14, 2014, 12:45:58 pm
Quote
Quote from: Abraxas 147 on Today at 06:33:41 am

    I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html

Thanks! I followed this procedure, it's running well in firefox. You should add this to your operation instructions :-).

BTW: opening index.html with IE10 -> I can not see items  ("Buy-> View all" results i an empty list)...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: tylergillies on October 14, 2014, 04:33:56 pm
Google Glass listed @ 16746543758520956686

You know you want it :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 14, 2014, 04:38:30 pm
Quote
Quote from: Abraxas 147 on Today at 06:33:41 am

    I'm using the exe-version of the nxt client. When I integrate freemarket, when do I have to start the bat-file, before or after the client is ready to log in?

The exe version of client is not fully supported. You can run FreeMarket in standalone mode. Here is how you can do it:

Having your NXT client running...

1. unzip FreeMarket.zip somewhere
2. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket/NxtPass and start run.bat
3. Go to html/ui/FreeMarket and open index.html

Thanks! I followed this procedure, it's running well in firefox. You should add this to your operation instructions :-).

BTW: opening index.html with IE10 -> I can not see items  ("Buy-> View all" results i an empty list)...

Thanks for reporting that. Now I have to go download IE 10. Maybe I shouldn't thank you  ;)

But really, thanks!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Abraxas 147 on October 14, 2014, 05:54:48 pm
Quote
Thanks for reporting that. Now I have to go download IE 10. Maybe I shouldn't thank you  ;)

It's the same pain for me, some of our customers are even using IE8... cruel world  ;).
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Stadtfeger on October 14, 2014, 06:37:35 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 14, 2014, 06:41:43 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Stadtfeger on October 14, 2014, 06:50:24 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 14, 2014, 06:57:23 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 14, 2014, 07:03:06 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 14, 2014, 07:05:23 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!

Yes, of course, and there are ways around these problems. eBay and similar services were not built with privacy in mind.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on October 14, 2014, 07:11:35 pm
How anonymous is this solution? Is IP leaked anywhere? Hardest part would be getting currency into an account without a link to your account/identity... Which I guess we'll need to wait for teleport?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 14, 2014, 07:13:42 pm
How anonymous is this solution? Is IP leaked anywhere? Hardest part would be getting currency into an account without a link to your account/identity... Which I guess we'll need to wait for teleport?

This is not my area of expertise, but I'll tell you what I think, and someone can correct me if I am wrong. All the transactions with FreeMarket happen locally, on your own machine and on your own copy of the blockchain. I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Stadtfeger on October 14, 2014, 07:16:03 pm
there is also a later operation and use of freemarket for normal people?
I will not download anything to me and the majority of the non crypto world even.
What about online service? Will you use your passphrase on it?

yes the majority of people make it that way. me too.
I like it simple and fast as the majority.
but I'm sure you'll work on it when you realize that one so does not generate new clientele.

I think using a website is appealing to a lot of people. It's certainly easy. That's part of the reason people use eBay. FreeMarket, and cryptos in general, aren't for everyone.

But if you want security and privacy, you aren't going to be using eBay or anything that can expose your IP or your passphrase. And if you have ever had a payment from a buyer reversed for some BS reason or your account frozen, you won't use PayPal either.

It sounds like eBay meets your needs though, as it does for lots of people. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey but we do think about web based solution!

that sounds good !
 I'm very old-fashioned. I use no ebay, no paypal, no credit card and cash for everything possible. do not have a smartphone. actually I belong not to NXT and am still there  ;D

I will download it later on weekend or so, because i like it what you do!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 15, 2014, 09:53:23 am
The freemarket website (http://nxtfreemarket.com/) gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives (http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2j9z3z/merchants_shibes_lost_your_moolah_shop_let_us/). Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 15, 2014, 09:56:53 am
I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
:)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 15, 2014, 09:58:58 am
The freemarket website (http://nxtfreemarket.com/) gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives (http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2j9z3z/merchants_shibes_lost_your_moolah_shop_let_us/). Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
Yes, looking for hosting alternatives. Sorry for this.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 15, 2014, 10:03:46 am
I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
:)
FreeMarket does not store it for sure. NRS also should not store it anyway. I heard James is making something to hide IP with darknet so it seems there is a treat of revealing the IP address. If you know any details how IP address could be revealed let us know.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 15, 2014, 02:00:20 pm
The freemarket website (http://nxtfreemarket.com/) gives me a "509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" at the moment.

I was just thinking of linking it to the Doge-Redditers - since they seemed to have lost shops thanks to the Moolah debacle, and are looking for alternatives (http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2j9z3z/merchants_shibes_lost_your_moolah_shop_let_us/). Their option is so far to set up websites with woocommerce and payment plugins - which is quite a bit of work and learning for people who are not used to it.
If freemarket could use SuperNet/InstantDex or the Atomic chain to allow direct trading in DOGE (with NXT only in the background if necessary), then that could be a great target group. Just an idea.
Yes, looking for hosting alternatives. Sorry for this.

It should be up again soon, working on getting up much more bandwidth.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 15, 2014, 02:00:53 pm
I don't think the blockchain logs any IP addresses, does anyone know for sure?

"no IP addresses or private information are stored on the blockchain"
http://nxter.org/nxt-freemarket-launches-with-no-fees-for-2014/
:)

I am never 100% sure of anything. That's a feature, not a bug :)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on October 15, 2014, 04:32:05 pm
Site back down  >:(

I guess that bodes well for FreeMarket's popularity, but we should have a few official download mirrors.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 15, 2014, 04:48:52 pm
Site back down  >:(

I guess that bodes well for FreeMarket's popularity, but we should have a few official download mirrors.

We have a high traffic, yes, and that's good. We are trying to determine if there is any DDoS involved too. Some people just don't like competition.

The download now includes installation directions in a read me file:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/yr7bwlna5o6hh60/FreeMarket.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download/yr7bwlna5o6hh60/FreeMarket.zip)


Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 15, 2014, 05:18:25 pm
A p2p market should be downloaded p2p too ;)
Can't you do it via a torrent or something?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 15, 2014, 05:33:00 pm
A p2p market should be downloaded p2p too ;)
Can't you do it via a torrent or something?
I believe we will come to better solution soon.
We created an additional link on this forum which will be updated on every new release. Also signed with SHA256 and my token.

https://nxtforum.org/freemarket/freemarket-releases-1-0-9/
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: KyLin on October 23, 2014, 12:59:34 am
Now prices fell
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jefdiesel on October 23, 2014, 03:19:12 am
Whats the plan for user feedback?

I ordered some Kentucky Honey (maybe was the first thing sold on FreeMarket?)
Arrived, all packed up nice, with no name on it, as it was bought from my NXT account.

My daughter was thrilled, as now we have even more honey.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 23, 2014, 05:06:37 am
Whats the plan for user feedback?

I ordered some Kentucky Honey (maybe was the first thing sold on FreeMarket?)
Arrived, all packed up nice, with no name on it, as it was bought from my NXT account.

My daughter was thrilled, as now we have even more honey.
Thank you for the feedback.
We plan to put users' feedback on the official FreeMarket thread on this forum. I'm porting the core to javascript now so do not have time for something more techy.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 23, 2014, 11:39:28 pm
Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jefdiesel on October 24, 2014, 04:40:03 am
Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses

so far, as in the past two weeks?

Quote
I was building a rocket to the moon but two weeks went by and i got bored so I sold the plans to buy some beer.

We'll look down from above and see how youre doing.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 24, 2014, 01:35:41 pm
Now prices fell

yeah it's been a pretty poor investment so far, especially with devs dumping tokens to pay expenses

If you're thinking of this as a two week investment, you will be disappointed. We are in this for the long haul, and we have only just started.

There will be info posted this weekend about the next version (an ETA, and a list of new features). After the release of the next version, we'll start promoting FreeMarket in earnest, now that it has been in the wild and tested. The feedback we have received has been very helpful, and we have been hard at work to improve.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 24, 2014, 09:41:06 pm
my mistake was thinking that NXT assets were a safer bet than alt coins, otherwise I would have watched this very closely and dumped at the first sign of crash and then later considered re-buying at a more realistic price, which may or may not be now, nobody likes to feel like they were manipulated to over-pay, that doesn't buy any good will and faith in your plans, most alt coin projects will fail, maybe even NXT, there's more to success than just building something great
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: eKiTeL on October 24, 2014, 10:09:08 pm
The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time.

that lasted for like a week...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 25, 2014, 01:45:05 am
The assets are initially distributed as follows:
PoofKnuckle 25%
blackyblack1 25%
NXTventure 30%
jl777hodl 10%
NXTventure assetholders 10%

I do not plan to sell any FreeMarket assets for a while and I dont think either of the other two will be selling much, so the NXTventure dividends are the only assets that will be available for some time.

that lasted for like a week...

Well, I have sold a grand total of 10 assets. Ten. Look it up.

But we have to pay outside devs, and not everyone wants assets as compensation. Some assets have to be sold, so that we have NXT to pay with. Assets are being sold to further our work.

my mistake was thinking that NXT assets were a safer bet than alt coins, otherwise I would have watched this very closely and dumped at the first sign of crash and then later considered re-buying at a more realistic price, which may or may not be now, nobody likes to feel like they were manipulated to over-pay, that doesn't buy any good will and faith in your plans, most alt coin projects will fail, maybe even NXT, there's more to success than just building something great

If you think you have been manipulated into overpaying for the asset, I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know what the current asset price is, because I am too busy coding to care about it. I would hope that our investors have faith in our plans based on what we have already built, and not on the asset price over a two or three week period.

How many other NXT assets do you own that are for actual shipping products?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: KyLin on October 27, 2014, 12:07:38 am
FreeMarket plan
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: komputor on October 27, 2014, 02:27:40 pm

If you think you have been manipulated into overpaying for the asset, I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know what the current asset price is, because I am too busy coding to care about it. I would hope that our investors have faith in our plans based on what we have already built, and not on the asset price over a two or three week period.


Coming from a similar situation, i still plan to hold long term. However, it is a bit scary to see your investment value reduce by nearly 80% in just a few weeks.
I wish you guys good luck, i'm sure the asset price will recover eventually as freemarket gains steam. 
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on October 27, 2014, 06:43:02 pm

..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 27, 2014, 06:45:52 pm

..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o
No you misread it. Freemarket will use steam :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: komputor on October 29, 2014, 06:52:41 am
Steam will one day MAKE USE of freemarket!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: JanSako on November 05, 2014, 05:04:06 pm

..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o

Waat? FreeMarket bought steam???  ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case someone did not get it!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 05, 2014, 06:03:50 pm

..as freemarket gains steam.

Steam will use Freemarket? This is huge! Buy! BUY!!  :o

Waat? FreeMarket bought steam???  ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case someone did not get it!
Yeah, bought and sold with profit.

BTW we have the update scheduled on 9th of November.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on November 05, 2014, 06:16:12 pm
What kind of volume are you seeing?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 05, 2014, 06:41:44 pm
What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: _mr_e on November 05, 2014, 06:58:28 pm
What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?

Yes.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 05, 2014, 07:02:17 pm
What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?

Yes.
I do not see any real volume. But we have marketing scheduled after the incoming update.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 05, 2014, 11:50:59 pm
What kind of volume are you seeing?
Do you mean trade volume?

Yes.
I do not see any real volume. But we have marketing scheduled after the incoming update.

Great, we really need it! I bought at around 70nxt apiece, but I'm holding this.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on November 07, 2014, 12:35:45 am
I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.

(http://i.imgur.com/gtcGdxr.jpg)

And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 07, 2014, 02:30:36 am
I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.

(http://imgur.com/gtcGdxr)

And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk

Does anyone around here do video work? Maybe a video would be a help...

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 07, 2014, 04:15:16 am
I feel like we need to go for some kind of promotion to introduce more people to the idea of the NXT Freemarket. Maybe a comparison in which points it's superior to the OpenBazaar.

The problem currently is that many people are only bitcoin advocates who don't want to have anything to do with the nxt network or any other altcoin.

multigateway + bitcoin = nxt, so that would bypass that problem. If we would get all this stuff implemented in a nice easy to handle GUI that would be really cool.

See many people are talking about it at the moment. Especially with the SilkRoad2 shut-down.

(http://imgur.com/gtcGdxr)

And they have a nice introduction video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRgHbTU9pk

Does anyone around here do video work? Maybe a video would be a help...



Someone from our community made this video for us at BitcoinDark:

http://bitcoindark.pw/video/ (http://bitcoindark.pw/video/)

If you want, I can find out who it was and contact him.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: bitcoinpaul on November 07, 2014, 09:15:43 am

Someone from our community made this video for us at BitcoinDark:

http://bitcoindark.pw/video/ (http://bitcoindark.pw/video/)

If you want, I can find out who it was and contact him.

Randomly put together different after effects and templates shizzle without a concept. Maybe working together with this guy (to provide proper content) is the solution.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on November 07, 2014, 09:18:25 am
I mentioned Freemarket in the \r\bitcoin threads about the silkroad takedown (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lhcif/silk_road_seized_again_many_darknet_websites_are/clv7eah?context=3). Unsurprisingly I got lot'sa downvotes.
Anyways, one more positive guy is asking for a whitepaper or detailed documentation. Is there such a thing for freemarket?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 07, 2014, 02:44:07 pm
I mentioned Freemarket in the \r\bitcoin threads about the silkroad takedown (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lhcif/silk_road_seized_again_many_darknet_websites_are/clv7eah?context=3). Unsurprisingly I got lot'sa downvotes.
Anyways, one more positive guy is asking for a whitepaper or detailed documentation. Is there such a thing for freemarket?

No detailed documentation yet, no, but then, it's not very hard to use :)

A whitepaper on the other hand... maybe this is something we should produce? I have seen threads around here where some forums members have written whitepapers, so I should track them down and see if they could do the same for FreeMarket.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Tosch110 on November 07, 2014, 03:25:12 pm
I mentioned Freemarket in the \r\bitcoin threads about the silkroad takedown (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lhcif/silk_road_seized_again_many_darknet_websites_are/clv7eah?context=3). Unsurprisingly I got lot'sa downvotes.
Anyways, one more positive guy is asking for a whitepaper or detailed documentation. Is there such a thing for freemarket?

No detailed documentation yet, no, but then, it's not very hard to use :)

A whitepaper on the other hand... maybe this is something we should produce? I have seen threads around here where some forums members have written whitepapers, so I should track them down and see if they could do the same for FreeMarket.

Why are so much people shouting for Whitepapers? I have never seen any whitepaper from PayPal, Ebay, google or facebook...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 07, 2014, 05:37:59 pm
I mentioned Freemarket in the \r\bitcoin threads about the silkroad takedown (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lhcif/silk_road_seized_again_many_darknet_websites_are/clv7eah?context=3). Unsurprisingly I got lot'sa downvotes.
Anyways, one more positive guy is asking for a whitepaper or detailed documentation. Is there such a thing for freemarket?

No detailed documentation yet, no, but then, it's not very hard to use :)

A whitepaper on the other hand... maybe this is something we should produce? I have seen threads around here where some forums members have written whitepapers, so I should track them down and see if they could do the same for FreeMarket.

Why are so much people shouting for Whitepapers? I have never seen any whitepaper from PayPal, Ebay, google or facebook...

Maybe they see it as a handy way to dismiss something new without considering it.

I think the best option might be for documentation of how to use FreeMarket, rather than a whitepaper. I don't know what a whitepaper would say that documentation wouldn't. Perhaps I'll put the documentation on a white background.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Fatih87SK on November 07, 2014, 08:42:27 pm
I already asked this before. Is there a plan to get an article out at cointelegraph or something?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 07, 2014, 09:17:38 pm
I already asked this before. Is there a plan to get an article out at cointelegraph or something?

Is this a site where you pay to put up articles or something? Or does it depend on their writers?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: MrV777 on November 07, 2014, 09:25:34 pm
I'm not sure if you have to pay, but they have written a few NXT articles lately.  You could try contacting them:
http://cointelegraph.com/about
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 07, 2014, 09:28:59 pm
I'm not sure if you have to pay, but they have written a few NXT articles lately.  You could try contacting them:
http://cointelegraph.com/about

Thanks! I will try them, if I haven't already.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on November 08, 2014, 12:11:52 pm
Anyways, one more positive guy is asking for a whitepaper or detailed documentation. Is there such a thing for freemarket?

No detailed documentation yet, no, but then, it's not very hard to use :)

A whitepaper on the other hand... maybe this is something we should produce? I have seen threads around here where some forums members have written whitepapers, so I should track them down and see if they could do the same for FreeMarket.

Why are so much people shouting for Whitepapers? I have never seen any whitepaper from PayPal, Ebay, google or facebook...

I imagine these people are interested about how the security works. To get an overview how servers connect, data is stored and such. It makes sense that people want to vet projects like this differently than private companies (which don't offer privacy in the first place).
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on November 08, 2014, 01:00:03 pm
Wow, did you see this?

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved (http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved)

Not sure this is the ideal context for freemarket. Then again, we just got some "exposure."
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 08, 2014, 03:50:04 pm
Wow, did you see this?

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved (http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved)

Not sure this is the ideal context for freemarket. Then again, we just got some "exposure."

I agree. Maybe not the ideal way for us to be presented, but definitely a good thing to be at least mentioned, usually the focus is just on OpenBazaar. Not enough people know about FreeMarket yet, let's hope that changes with the big marketing push!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Fatih87SK on November 08, 2014, 03:59:43 pm
Releasing tomorrow?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on November 08, 2014, 04:00:57 pm
But there is one big thing we shouldn't forget. The FreeMarket has the NXT Network as a foundation. That allows for so many things which won't be possible on the open bazaar, it will most definitely allow some tasks to be executed faster. And with the multigateway there is no entry barrier for bitcoiners either. It would be really cool if we could implement the multigateway into the free market directly.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 08, 2014, 04:37:22 pm
But there is one big thing we shouldn't forget. The FreeMarket has the NXT Network as a foundation. That allows for so many things which won't be possible on the open bazaar, it will most definitely allow some tasks to be executed faster. And with the multigateway there is no entry barrier for bitcoiners either. It would be really cool if we could implement the multigateway into the free market directly.

I agree!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on November 08, 2014, 04:43:57 pm
The second immense implication besides all the bitcoin enthusiast would be all the altcoins. Imagine all these dogecoin junkies joining :p :D
And I second that bazaar could do that.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 08, 2014, 05:28:09 pm
Wow, did you see this?

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved (http://cointelegraph.com/news/112883/dear-online-drug-buyers-your-problems-are-solved)

Not sure this is the ideal context for freemarket. Then again, we just got some "exposure."

Oh, look at that! Apparently I wrote to this author about a week ago and forgot about it.  8)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: crumb-bum on November 08, 2014, 05:51:35 pm
So it was you who did that, Poof? Good work, and thanks!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 08, 2014, 05:53:21 pm
So it was you who did that, Poof? Good work, and thanks!

Yeah, turns out I used an email address she doesn't use often, so my message got ignored for a few days.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on November 09, 2014, 04:39:07 am
I want to share a little fun :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di5NSU5yuKE
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: waterlily456 on November 10, 2014, 07:17:31 am
"we have an updated scheduled on Nov 9." What 's the update?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on November 10, 2014, 04:33:17 pm
"we have an updated scheduled on Nov 9." What 's the update?
https://nxtforum.org/freemarket/next-version-of-freemarket-nov-9th/
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 11, 2014, 04:03:23 pm

Hi Everyone,

I got frustrated having to run NRS and then FreeMarket when I just wanted to check for any listing updates, so I wrote a simple web server to do this for me. I thought I would share it with you too.  :)

It is slow to make the request, as FreeMarket takes a while to return the data (about 7 seconds). Please don't hit the refresh button a bunch of times lol, although I should probably add some rate limiting for this. Node.js does async pretty well but I'm not sure about FreeMarket itself.

If you like it, please consider donating some to cover the hosting cost of the vps.

Anyway, here it is:

http://162.243.13.81/ (http://162.243.13.81/)

Matthew
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: DrearyUrbanite on November 11, 2014, 04:10:55 pm

Hi Everyone,

I got frustrated having to run NRS and then FreeMarket when I just wanted to check for any listing updates, so I wrote a simple web server to do this for me. I thought I would share it with you too.  :)

It is slow to make the request, as FreeMarket takes a while to return the data (about 7 seconds). Please don't hit the refresh button a bunch of times lol, although I should probably add some rate limiting for this. Node.js does async pretty well but I'm not sure about FreeMarket itself.

If you like it, please consider donating some to cover the hosting cost of the vps.

Anyway, here it is:

http://162.243.13.81/ (http://162.243.13.81/)

Matthew

Very cool!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 11, 2014, 04:15:55 pm

Hi Everyone,

I got frustrated having to run NRS and then FreeMarket when I just wanted to check for any listing updates, so I wrote a simple web server to do this for me. I thought I would share it with you too.  :)

It is slow to make the request, as FreeMarket takes a while to return the data (about 7 seconds). Please don't hit the refresh button a bunch of times lol, although I should probably add some rate limiting for this. Node.js does async pretty well but I'm not sure about FreeMarket itself.

If you like it, please consider donating some to cover the hosting cost of the vps.

Anyway, here it is:

http://162.243.13.81/ (http://162.243.13.81/)

Matthew

Very cool!

Thank you  :) Decentralization is key but we need some centralized services like this. Hopefully this leads to more use and eventually more traffic.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: JamesList on November 12, 2014, 12:01:34 am
Is a escrow system possible on nxtfreemarket?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 12, 2014, 05:41:39 am
Is a escrow system possible on nxtfreemarket?
Not yet.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: futurist on November 12, 2014, 08:53:14 am
All these developers have done is create a platform for trade (aka craigslist or ebay). They have done nothing illegal. Those who post illegal sales will most likely be hunted down and prosecuted (depending on jurisdiction).
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 13, 2014, 07:10:13 am
Updated the site to:

https://162.243.13.81/ (https://162.243.13.81/)

Added the functionality to post to FreeMarket.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: themi8 on November 14, 2014, 12:44:45 am
Updated the site to:

https://162.243.13.81/ (https://162.243.13.81/)

Added the functionality to post to FreeMarket.
Great job
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 14, 2014, 12:51:00 am
Updated the site to:

https://162.243.13.81/ (https://162.243.13.81/)

Added the functionality to post to FreeMarket.
Great job

Thanks  :)

changed to https://freemarketlite.com (https://freemarketlite.com)

working on getting an ssl certificate
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: classicsamuel on November 18, 2014, 01:38:54 am
Hi

Not sure where to put this but just some comments on the FreeMarket experience:

It's pretty good overall but I got stuck in a few places so to help the development process heres some feedback:
(I'm using a Macbook for context)

1) It sometimes freezes up during a listing, apparently it then posted so I have multiple posts. I don't know if my connection quality isn't quite high enough or some other reason.I listed a crypto box and a sculpted horse and ended up with seven posts up there.
2) The images as presented are too small for artwork and it isn't obvious you have to right click on them to load the larger version. At least using a Mac anyway.
3) it would be good if the user could supply captions that associate with a given picture.
4) My NXT balance was down to zero. I posted anyway (eager to try :)hoping that no fees in 2014 meant 0 NXT needed. No big deal except when I tried to post I repeated got an error message stating that my description and/or image address was too long. I don't know if this was a 'bubble up' error message
from the 0 balance NXT thing but the message didn't help despite repeated truncation. When my account was funded the error disappeared so this may have been the problem but the error handling code needs to be tighter there so the user knows what is actually wrong.
5) It would help a LOT to be able to edit a listing after posting. Also it would be nice if cancelled listings disappeared.
6) Love the FreeMarket Logo! :) The Webview interface needs something at the top that allows you to return to the previous page. Or maybe I am missing something. Anyway it isn't as obvious as would be convenient.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: classicsamuel on November 18, 2014, 01:43:59 am
oh one other thing. It feels really weird to be asked to share your secret account phrase in FreeMarket. I know it is directly interacting with the user client but it still feels uncomfortable passing along that information since it does run outside of the client.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 18, 2014, 02:55:37 am
Thanks very much for the feedback! It really is helpful when deciding what to improve or fix next.

1) It sometimes freezes up during a listing, apparently it then posted so I have multiple posts. I don't know if my connection quality isn't quite high enough or some other reason.I listed a crypto box and a sculpted horse and ended up with seven posts up there.
2) The images as presented are too small for artwork and it isn't obvious you have to right click on them to load the larger version. At least using a Mac anyway.
3) it would be good if the user could supply captions that associate with a given picture.
4) My NXT balance was down to zero. I posted anyway (eager to try :)hoping that no fees in 2014 meant 0 NXT needed. No big deal except when I tried to post I repeated got an error message stating that my description and/or image address was too long. I don't know if this was a 'bubble up' error message
from the 0 balance NXT thing but the message didn't help despite repeated truncation. When my account was funded the error disappeared so this may have been the problem but the error handling code needs to be tighter there so the user knows what is actually wrong.
5) It would help a LOT to be able to edit a listing after posting. Also it would be nice if cancelled listings disappeared.
6) Love the FreeMarket Logo! :) The Webview interface needs something at the top that allows you to return to the previous page. Or maybe I am missing something. Anyway it isn't as obvious as would be convenient.

For the apparent freezing, that is just FM thinking. The next version already has buttons that disable when processing is happening, so you know something is going on, and so you cant accidentally buy or post something more than once.

Images are set to 200X200 now, though we might change that in the future, and make it possible to open larger images. Captioning probably won't happen, since the space we have to write to the blockchain is very limited.

The error message you saw is a known bug; you will get that is your post is too long, but also if you have zero NXT. While there are no FM fees, you still have to pay 1 NXT for writing to the blockchain.

Editing a listing won't happen, that is just the nature of the blockchain. You cannot edit anything once it has been added. You can cancel a listing, though, and then you will have a "re-listing" button to make it easy to do it again.

There is usually a "Return to Search Results" button when you have gone from a search to a listing. For other times, you can get around using the menu at the top, but I'll look it over and see if a back button would be helpful at other times.

Thanks again!

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 18, 2014, 03:13:59 am
oh one other thing. It feels really weird to be asked to share your secret account phrase in FreeMarket. I know it is directly interacting with the user client but it still feels uncomfortable passing along that information since it does run outside of the client.

Yeah, there is no way around that. The best way to be safe in a situation like this is to use a separate account just for shopping, with a limited amount of NXT in it.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: gs02xzz on November 18, 2014, 03:25:07 am
oh one other thing. It feels really weird to be asked to share your secret account phrase in FreeMarket. I know it is directly interacting with the user client but it still feels uncomfortable passing along that information since it does run outside of the client.
Yeah, there is no way around that. The best way to be safe in a situation like this is to use a separate account just for shopping, with a limited amount of NXT in it.

If FM can add into NXT client, users can have the option to access FM through NXT client. It will make those  people feel better.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 18, 2014, 03:52:19 am
FreeMarketLite is now available at:

freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 18, 2014, 05:39:24 am
oh one other thing. It feels really weird to be asked to share your secret account phrase in FreeMarket. I know it is directly interacting with the user client but it still feels uncomfortable passing along that information since it does run outside of the client.
Yeah, there is no way around that. The best way to be safe in a situation like this is to use a separate account just for shopping, with a limited amount of NXT in it.

If FM can add into NXT client, users can have the option to access FM through NXT client. It will make those  people feel better.
Yes but it still will require to enter secret when you post or buy an item. The work on NXT client plugin is in progress but it takes some time.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: ThomasVeil on November 20, 2014, 04:49:53 pm
There is an open question about the source code on the BCT thread.
Would be interesting to hear the plans about this (or maybe they just have the wrong link): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852187.msg9598144#msg9598144
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 20, 2014, 05:39:22 pm
There is an open question about the source code on the BCT thread.
Would be interesting to hear the plans about this (or maybe they just have the wrong link): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852187.msg9598144#msg9598144

There should be an answer soon. I am not qualified to give it, but I *think* the plan is for the core of FM to be open once the port to JavaScript is finished. Right now, only the FM app itself (the part that lets it run in a window on Mac and PC) is open.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on November 21, 2014, 07:15:16 am
This is my earlier comment:

Quote
Looks like OpenBazaar and FreeMarket are really different kind of products. OpenBazaar is opensource initiative DHT based. And FreeMarket is a commercial project blockchain based.

We are building a commercial project so no open code yet. Users can open issues and put their requests in the official thread.
Source code for WebView application is here: https://bitbucket.org/blackyblack/webview/src
Parts of the logic can be revealed in the site folder of the FreeMarket.
We are open for 3rd party audit of the core source code.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on November 24, 2014, 12:35:56 am
Added support for buying items on FreeMarket.

freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on November 24, 2014, 01:13:07 am
Added support for buying items on FreeMarket.

freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)

Very nice!!!

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: farl4bit on December 07, 2014, 06:04:47 pm
A lot of strange languages when I download the Mac-version. Is there a update coming?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on December 07, 2014, 07:41:43 pm
A lot of strange languages when I download the Mac-version. Is there a update coming?

Strange languages? Can you be more specific?

It has 11 language options, but those are features, not bugs ;)

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on December 08, 2014, 07:30:20 am
A lot of strange languages when I download the Mac-version. Is there a update coming?
Yes update is coming: project Concorde is almost here. We will have a closed test run first and then release it into the wild.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: farl4bit on December 11, 2014, 07:54:46 pm
A lot of strange languages when I download the Mac-version. Is there a update coming?
Yes update is coming: project Concorde is almost here. We will have a closed test run first and then release it into the wild.
Thanks a lot!  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: neca on December 16, 2014, 02:35:32 pm
Wil be any dividents this year. Thank you for answer.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on December 16, 2014, 02:56:25 pm
Wil be any dividents this year. Thank you for answer.

Since no FreeMarket fees are being collected through the end of this year, no.

We'll start charging a 7.77 NXT listing fee in January.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: rubenbc on December 29, 2014, 01:05:44 pm
I follow freemarket from the beginning and it seems that just will not wake enough interest.

September 19 open price to "normal investor" = 53 nxt
now 13 nxt

auction you do to distribute your assets are beginning to tire the normal investor. not abuse please

ruben
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: fishboiQ on January 06, 2015, 12:48:43 am
Does FreeMarket Lite offer all of the items available for sale of FreeMarket.  Also, is the "secret key" requested your password for your Nxt account?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on January 06, 2015, 02:10:07 pm
Does FreeMarket Lite offer all of the items available for sale of FreeMarket.  Also, is the "secret key" requested your password for your Nxt account?
Yes.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: OrgiOrg on January 12, 2015, 08:30:45 am
are there any feature plans?

will it be possible to buy with EGOLD or other NXT currencies?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on January 12, 2015, 09:37:16 am
are there any feature plans?

will it be possible to buy with EGOLD or other NXT currencies?
Feature plans are:
1. Multiple quantities for items
2. Concorde integration (escrow)
3. Supernet integration

Using non NXT currencies is possible to implement but it does not combine with escrow system so we are yet to brainstorm on this issue.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: KarlKarlsson on January 13, 2015, 11:05:26 am
Are there any statistics about FreeMarket like sold products over the platform so far or amount of listed items? The idea is great but do the people really use it?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on January 14, 2015, 11:39:48 am
Are there any statistics about FreeMarket like sold products over the platform so far or amount of listed items? The idea is great but do the people really use it?
I do not have such kind of statistics. I'd say we have 3 to 5 purchases a month. The key to the better adoption is the amount of listed items. We are looking for a solution of this problem while working on the tech side.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: newsilike on January 19, 2015, 01:05:15 am
https://m.facebook.com/JKobrinArt/photos/a.330278020394675.79983.328973887191755/555649721190836/?type=1&source=48&ref=bookmark

Just found this dude if you want I can sent him a messege tomorrow if we can use his pictures for marketing purposes.

Creativity is a key factor I think
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Peter2516 on January 22, 2015, 07:01:25 am
Article on 'deep web' marketplaces http://joel.mn/post/108657860988/deep-web-marketplaces
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: farl4bit on February 05, 2015, 07:26:09 pm
Interested article, but to much TOR imo. Just use blockchain tech.  :)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: cr7yp on February 07, 2015, 12:46:29 pm
The site seems offline. I am getting 404 error. Is Freemarket lite still available?

Added support for buying items on FreeMarket.

freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on February 07, 2015, 01:24:39 pm
The site seems offline. I am getting 404 error. Is Freemarket lite still available?

Added support for buying items on FreeMarket.

freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)
Btcddev is in charge for the freemarketlite.com. I will contact him ASAP.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on February 07, 2015, 05:35:37 pm
Works for me.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Logan on February 10, 2015, 01:26:35 pm
Tried FreeMarket today and its realy cool! Very good work but it seems that nobody is using it :(

Make some marketing to get a critical mass of users and this could be big.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on February 10, 2015, 04:28:08 pm
Tried FreeMarket today and its realy cool! Very good work but it seems that nobody is using it :(

Make some marketing to get a critical mass of users and this could be big.

After the next release (which is a beast with a lot of features), there will be a marketing push.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: LocoMB on February 10, 2015, 04:30:13 pm

could it be modified to support an auction like sales mechanism?

the issue has been brought up before for sure- everybody wants to kick ebay in the behind!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on February 10, 2015, 06:18:23 pm
Tried FreeMarket today and its realy cool! Very good work but it seems that nobody is using it :(

Make some marketing to get a critical mass of users and this could be big.

After the next release (which is a beast with a lot of features), there will be a marketing push.
I have a nice "marketing" idea...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on February 10, 2015, 06:21:06 pm

could it be modified to support an auction like sales mechanism?

the issue has been brought up before for sure- everybody wants to kick ebay in the behind!
Auction idea is interesting and it is possible to implement it in FreeMarket (well a bit slow and costly) but we will not do it. Our business model is different and we are focusing on it.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: barbierir on February 10, 2015, 07:26:00 pm
Tried FreeMarket today and its realy cool! Very good work but it seems that nobody is using it :(

Make some marketing to get a critical mass of users and this could be big.

In the present state FM is hardly useful, it needs other features that are planned in next releases. This and the lack of communication probably explain the low asset price. Recently I bought more because with the promised improvements and the integration with supernet I believe it will have a lot of success
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on February 12, 2015, 11:44:13 am
Hey guys. Good product :)

You talk a lot about usage simpllicity to get a big audience.

Do you plan to have some website which will:
1) show FM listings online in a web browser (99.99999% of internauts won't use "another browser for buying", exceptions are only services like iTunes, when you a store is added as an add-on)
2) allow to buy within web browser (connects to user wallet or offer online wallet to use)
3) will messages between seller and buyer (and maybe other buyers also?) be encrypted (or at least paid for encrypted like another 1 NXT or so?) ?

Besides, do you think it will be posible also to offer services via FM?

For example selling hardrive space, computer power or so?

In that case you wouldn't have to worry for pictures. A default paid service with pictures (like storj inside FreeMArket) would be the first and popular product inside FM :) You could even place a 1 NXT fee from the listing in there.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on February 12, 2015, 02:41:21 pm
Hey guys. Good product :)

You talk a lot about usage simpllicity to get a big audience.

Do you plan to have some website which will:
1) show FM listings online in a web browser (99.99999% of internauts won't use "another browser for buying", exceptions are only services like iTunes, when you a store is added as an add-on)
2) allow to buy within web browser (connects to user wallet or offer online wallet to use)
3) will messages between seller and buyer (and maybe other buyers also?) be encrypted (or at least paid for encrypted like another 1 NXT or so?) ?

Besides, do you think it will be posible also to offer services via FM?

For example selling hardrive space, computer power or so?

In that case you wouldn't have to worry for pictures. A default paid service with pictures (like storj inside FreeMArket) would be the first and popular product inside FM :) You could even place a 1 NXT fee from the listing in there.

There is already a website that lets you view and buy products: https://freemarketlite.com/ (https://freemarketlite.com/). This is a third-party product, but we know the dev. Using a website rather than a local copy of the blockchain raises privacy issues, but depending on what you are doing, this may not be a concern. It won't be for everyone, but it could work for a lot of users.

Messages between buyers and sellers are encrypted using the encryption that is built into NXT.

Pictures are an issue, to be sure. They are too big to go on the blockchain, so we recommend using an anonymous image hosting service (and some recommendations are in the Help within FreeMarket), but the ideal would be something built-in. I had not considered hosting our own service, but that's something to think about. I do not have the expertise to build that and know that it is actually anonymous though. Also, any service (including the ones we suggest in the Help) that doesn't run on the blockchain like the rest of FreeMarket is a concern to the paranoid, like me :) Ideally, we would employ a service that is similar to the blockchain in that you can use it without it giving away your IP address. I am open (really, really open) to hearing from anyone who knows how to implement such a thing!


Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on February 12, 2015, 04:08:10 pm
Awsome! :)

When can we expect upgraded version of both FM lite and heavy one?

Freemarketlite still looking not user friendly, but anyway - awsome there is sth like that :)

Without a nice web browser version FM will grow slowly. And the images is an issue here to solve. Without simple images submiting it will also be painful to gain users. But you already know this.

Best would be to have a NXT based service like storj based on XCP, but I guess the storj devs would be happy to cooperate, and this would be a great oportunity for them to serve as a storege on FM where they could actually sell the place for NXT :)

Hope you will manage to solve it  ::)

PS
I think privacy is a secondary issue here. Most important - to have it working and looking pretty and smoothly for end user.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on February 12, 2015, 04:22:42 pm
Awsome! :)

When can we expect upgraded version of both FM lite and heavy one?


We are working on the UI for using escrow from within FreeMarket, and that is the last major addition for the next release. So... soon-ish.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: BTCDDev on March 04, 2015, 02:25:29 pm
UI update!

User toenu has joined the FreeMarketLite team and has begun overhauling the UI of freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)

Changes that have gone live:

Matthew
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on March 04, 2015, 02:27:50 pm
UI update!

User toenu has joined the FreeMarketLite team and has begun overhauling the UI of freemarketlite.com (http://freemarketlite.com)

Changes that have gone live:
  • Pagination
  • Searchable listings
  • Category filtering

Matthew

Great work!!!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: neca on March 04, 2015, 03:40:57 pm
Hello
I ned help  with instalations freemarked.  I have win 7.
I have Nxt account 1 year. me deposit is 10000 NXT.
What i have to make when i wanth sell product on freemarket?
help me please what is make step1
step2
step3
me NXT wallet runing but a dont give product on freemarket. have to registering? How make it?
please send me step1
                      step2                                   
thanks
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on March 09, 2015, 02:27:40 pm
As I see it Freemarketlite really needs a UI designer.

Having pagination and random catogires is no revolution :P

I'm not specialist but at this stage it should look better then work to attract interest.

A good category tree + some fine images should be displayed I guess...

BTW

Having experience in search engine in private company I suggest to tie searchable listings to "paid keywords" - the more keywords a listing have (and more letters) the more NXT should it tie, even if not as a payment at least as a "backup money" so that traders will put only as many words as needed.

Been working in company where traders were setting keywords. The result was you were able to buy funeral service typing "toyota car" :)

Or even make a exp keyword tie - the more keyword someone use or the more popular it is, the more NXT should one tie to the listing... Or the longer a keyword is (more spaces and more leters in the keyword field) like (popularity weight) * (count of letters) * 1.1 ^ (count of spaces in keyword field) NXT or some other fancy formula :)

Beside a country super-category may be essential and automagically calculating the popularity weight base on country specific keywords...

Just thinking some thougts how could this really work :) Otherwise it will be so messy... and not really serachable for users.

What e-bay charges for is making a clear DB structure and usability for clients...
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on March 09, 2015, 02:57:25 pm
Or have a better one.

Listing cost = Some_Const * log10 ( counts of listing with exactly same keywords)

It means if someone sell "ice" and there will be 1000 other listings selling ice, then the cost should be Some_Constant * log10 ( 1000) = Some_Constant * 3 NXT

If someone selling "strawberry ice cream" and there will be 1 000 000 then there will be Listing cost = Some_Constant * 6 NXT
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on March 09, 2015, 06:48:46 pm
I cannot agree with both statements.

Freemarketlite design is primitive for now but the important point is that it is being developed separately from the main version of the FreeMarket so we can take the best parts from the both worlds.
Your idea for charging more NXT for more keywords is good for punishment of some kind of sellers. We want to attract sellers not punish them so the constant charge is the best for now. And do not forget that some harsh restrictions on the FreeMarket will lead to the fork - anyone can make a fork and remove any restrictions.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on March 10, 2015, 08:10:46 am
Ok agree that in the first stage should be little restrictions to avoid fork. But after some growing stage you will notice lots of content searching issues. No fork will help that.

Somehow smart regulations for FreeMarket search engine optimisations will be needed for happyness of users. You can call it restrictions. The fact is when you wont regulate, some people will start to produce chaos inside. There are always abusers everywhere :/

Having abusers is sth which is good to assume at the beggining to add some features, that may be hidden at first, but turned on later.

All regulations should be not about punishing people, but allowing fair competition.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on March 10, 2015, 08:32:27 am
Yes abusers is one of the biggest concerns for decentralized apps. Not only content search issues but also spam on the market and illegal activity.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxt_it on March 11, 2015, 11:07:33 am
Do you think it is possible to apply some measure to eliminate this?

What kind of spam is possible? Like mailing within Freemarket?

Maybe some measures like number of sent emails to nr of received back in some period of time.

Basically I believe we can do measures for everything, and everything should be tied to some costs. And measures should allow us to distinguish regular users from abusers, so that regular pay some micro cents for sendind messages, and abusers are scaled to pay exponentially more.

Users should understand this would be for their own welness. Imagine what would be if we needed to pay 0.01$ per email. I think at some point we would think more before sending 5 email forgetting some parts of it and so on... So it's economically correct? :)

and also people doing marketing would choose their targets more carrefoully. After all marketing is not bad, but it should be measured usability for users. For example someone sending lot's of mail with no answeres should be considered a bad guy, other one with lots of answeres should be rether considered a good marketer - delivering interesting service. All this is possible to measure using more or less simple counts?



Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on March 12, 2015, 07:03:49 am
Do you think it is possible to apply some measure to eliminate this?
It is possible to fight with it. It is like moderation of the open forum.

What kind of spam is possible? Like mailing within Freemarket?
No it is like listing of the meaningless goods on the FreeMarket. Someone can make 100 empty listings per day and hide all useful goods here.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Hubus on April 03, 2015, 09:56:12 am
oh one other thing. It feels really weird to be asked to share your secret account phrase in FreeMarket. I know it is directly interacting with the user client but it still feels uncomfortable passing along that information since it does run outside of the client.
Yeah, there is no way around that. The best way to be safe in a situation like this is to use a separate account just for shopping, with a limited amount of NXT in it.

If FM can add into NXT client, users can have the option to access FM through NXT client. It will make those  people feel better.
Yes but it still will require to enter secret when you post or buy an item. The work on NXT client plugin is in progress but it takes some time.

Well, it would be helpful if you at least include the question mark with a text or a text there, that explains the situation to the user and assures it is safe to submit the passphrase. And even better if you not only assure it, but prove it, e.g. by giving a link to an open source code or anything which proves it clearly.


could it be modified to support an auction like sales mechanism?

the issue has been brought up before for sure- everybody wants to kick ebay in the behind!
Auction idea is interesting and it is possible to implement it in FreeMarket (well a bit slow and costly) but we will not do it. Our business model is different and we are focusing on it.

A real ebay alternative would really make you and the asset holders rich, so if you have the possibilities and manpower, you should convince the public and maybe raise further funds.

But for now, wouldn't it be possible to have a simplified system? E.g. let the seller give three or four price options which the bidder can choose from, and the first one with the highest bid will win? (If the idea is extraordinary you might tip me with NXT or your asset... ;-) )

2. Concorde integration (escrow)

I do not really understand much of the technique, but isn't there also this multisignature possibility?

And: Is it possible to implement some kind of rating system?

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 03, 2015, 10:17:48 am
Quote
Auction idea is interesting and it is possible to implement it in FreeMarket (well a bit slow and costly) but we will not do it. Our business model is different and we are focusing on it.

A real ebay alternative would really make you and the asset holders rich, so if you have the possibilities and manpower, you should convince the public and maybe raise further funds.
We will leave this opportunity to someone else. We are sticking with our current business model but if someone wishes to implement auction type of market on the blockchain and FreeMarket tech we are open for help and partnership.

2. Concorde integration (escrow)

I do not really understand much of the technique, but isn't there also this multisignature possibility?

And: Is it possible to implement some kind of rating system?
Multisignature is not existing for NXT yet. Concorde is a rather simple escrow system. Like a guy holding your money until you confirm the goods delivery.
Rating system is already implemented on the freemarketlite.cc .
Blockchain based ratings and feedbacks will be possible to implement after escrow integration but do not rely on them too much - they can be gamed easily by merchants.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: Hubus on April 03, 2015, 10:49:49 am
...

Thank you for your answers! I have to find some info about 'Concorde" (any hints/links?).

And for the other question, what do you think, can you assure safety to the users there? Can you explain it here, at least?

Well, it would be helpful if you at least include the question mark with a text or a text there, that explains the situation to the user and assures it is safe to submit the passphrase. And even better if you not only assure it, but prove it, e.g. by giving a link to an open source code or anything which proves it clearly.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 03, 2015, 11:26:43 am
...

Thank you for your answers! I have to find some info about 'Concorde" (any hints/links?).

And for the other question, what do you think, can you assure safety to the users there? Can you explain it here, at least?

Well, it would be helpful if you at least include the question mark with a text or a text there, that explains the situation to the user and assures it is safe to submit the passphrase. And even better if you not only assure it, but prove it, e.g. by giving a link to an open source code or anything which proves it clearly.
https://nxtforum.org/freemarket/ann-concorde/

We can explain the situation with the passphrase but what do you expect to see here? I guess every user entering the password anywhere hopes that it is safe and I do not see why it is necessary to assure him more.
Open source does not prove that your passphrase is safe since the compiled version can contain code not shown in the open source. So there should be hash code for veryfication with reproducible build procedure. In the result we will have much boilerplate with low results.
To make sure that your passphrase is safe we propose:
1. Make code audit by trusted crypto-aware member of the community.
2. Run the sniffer aside with FreeMarket and check if your passphrase ever shown on the network.
3. Generate new account for FreeMarket operations to make sure you will not have your main account comprised in case of malware code, bugs or anything else.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 10, 2015, 04:17:56 pm
#3 is an excellent solution.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 11, 2015, 09:03:04 pm
Blockchain based ratings and feedbacks will be possible to implement after escrow integration but do not rely on them too much - they can be gamed easily by merchants.

Can you elaborate on this?  I think FreeMarket needs a reliable rating/feedback system more than anything else at this point.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 11, 2015, 09:08:16 pm
Blockchain based ratings and feedbacks will be possible to implement after escrow integration but do not rely on them too much - they can be gamed easily by merchants.

Can you elaborate on this?  I think FreeMarket needs a reliable rating/feedback system more than anything else at this point.
There is no such thing as reliable decentralized rating system. There is no way to prove that the feedback was made by the real buyer and not the seller himself.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 11, 2015, 09:48:44 pm
There is no such thing as reliable decentralized rating system. There is no way to prove that the feedback was made by the real buyer and not the seller himself.

FreeMarket has a "My Purchases" page so it knows which purchases belong to which user.  Why can't a user only be allowed to submit seller feedback on his own purchases?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 12, 2015, 04:36:49 pm
There is no such thing as reliable decentralized rating system. There is no way to prove that the feedback was made by the real buyer and not the seller himself.

FreeMarket has a "My Purchases" page so it knows which purchases belong to which user.  Why can't a user only be allowed to submit seller feedback on his own purchases?
How do you know it is not the seller himself buying own goods?
Ratings are already working on the freemarketlite. Not blockchain based though.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 13, 2015, 02:18:34 pm
How do you know it is not the seller himself buying own goods?
Ratings are already working on the freemarketlite. Not blockchain based though.

OK so you're saying any ratings system is unreliable, not just a decentralized one?

For the freemarketlite ratings system, are the ratings stored on the freemarketlite server?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 13, 2015, 04:53:37 pm
How do you know it is not the seller himself buying own goods?
Ratings are already working on the freemarketlite. Not blockchain based though.

OK so you're saying any ratings system is unreliable, not just a decentralized one?

For the freemarketlite ratings system, are the ratings stored on the freemarketlite server?
Yes this is true there is not 100% reliable rating system even in centralized systems. However it is possible to make fake ratings cost more than the profit from them. Eg it is costly to make fake emails, phone numbers, nice looking feedbacks to create fake rating on ebay.
Yes ratings are stored on the freemarketlite server. However we think about using freemarketlite ratings instead of blockchain based ratings for FreeMarket app. There are pros and cons for this solution.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 13, 2015, 05:29:29 pm
I would be interested to know more about those pros and cons when you get a chance.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 13, 2015, 05:33:19 pm
I would be interested to know more about those pros and cons when you get a chance.
Sure. Blockchain based feedbacks are permanent, global and not requiring internet connection but they cost additional 1 NXT to the buyer.
Server based feedbacks are vulnerable to server issues but they are free.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 14, 2015, 02:52:20 pm
I vote blockchain for sure.

Can any geniuses here figure out a mathematical way to increase the reliability of seller ratings?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on April 14, 2015, 06:27:11 pm
I vote blockchain for sure.

Can any geniuses here figure out a mathematical way to increase the reliability of seller ratings?
There are some approaches. OpenBazaar has an option to burn BTC to gather reputation. NEM is working on implementing EigenTrust algo. My proposal is to have a dedicated forum or thread on this forum to discuss various merchants and give them ratings.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on April 14, 2015, 10:02:09 pm
I don't think that's scalable.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 21, 2015, 11:00:51 am
Would it be possible to turn FreeMarket into a plugin for the NXT wallet like NXTBubble?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 21, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
Would it be possible to turn FreeMarket into a plugin for the NXT wallet like NXTBubble?
It is possible.
The problem is you will need to run the java core so it is a bit troublesome to use.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 22, 2015, 03:05:54 pm
Isn't the java core required in order to run NXT anyway?

What language is FreeMarket written in?

Does FreeMarket operate any kind of consensus of its own, separate from the NXT consensus?

What is to stop someone from changing the code to eliminate the listing fee?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 22, 2015, 04:46:01 pm
Isn't the java core required in order to run NXT anyway?

What language is FreeMarket written in?

Does FreeMarket operate any kind of consensus of its own, separate from the NXT consensus?

What is to stop someone from changing the code to eliminate the listing fee?
There is NRS to run NXT and java FreeMarket core. These are separate apps.
FreeMarket core is written on java. FreeMarket UI is written on javascript + html.
You can change the listing fee but other users will not see your listings. You can think of it as a sort of consensus.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 22, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
Do the various FreeMarket instances around the world communicate with each other directly or only through the NXT blockchain?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 22, 2015, 06:36:46 pm
Do the various FreeMarket instances around the world communicate with each other directly or only through the NXT blockchain?
Through blockchain.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 22, 2015, 09:21:11 pm
Are there any other truly decentralized applications out there that install on your own system and communicate via a blockchain?

Can FreeMarket (and NXT) operate with inbound connections disabled?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: LooTz on May 23, 2015, 06:49:22 am
Freemarket Interview tomorrow with Mr. Knuckles on SuperNETRadio.com !!!!! 2PM EST
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 23, 2015, 03:57:47 pm
Are there any other truly decentralized applications out there that install on your own system and communicate via a blockchain?

Can FreeMarket (and NXT) operate with inbound connections disabled?
I don't know of any other applications which are working on our system. There are applications which communicate over blockchain: MGW, Concorde.

FreeMarket and NXT can operate without inbound connections.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 26, 2015, 06:50:24 pm
Is a buyer's or seller's IP address discoverable when using FreeMarket?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: xiahui135 on May 26, 2015, 11:54:01 pm
Are there any other truly decentralized applications out there that install on your own system and communicate via a blockchain?

Can FreeMarket (and NXT) operate with inbound connections disabled?
I don't know of any other applications which are working on our system. There are applications which communicate over blockchain: MGW, Concorde.

FreeMarket and NXT can operate without inbound connections.
Why not use Nxtty to chat. Maybe the service can be integrate to the market.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 27, 2015, 06:28:13 am
Is a buyer's or seller's IP address discoverable when using FreeMarket?
Seller can put an image to his own hosting and log all IPs so any time you will see an image your IP is logged. This is a minor security breach since there is nothing illegal in watching images on the internet.
If seller is using public image hosting his IP can be logged by this hosting. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use anonymous image hostings and use proxy when accessing image hostings.
Malicious NXT node can try to track broadcasted transactions and log IPs of FreeMarket related transactions. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use NRS with Tor or use freemarketlite.cc for listing or buying goods. The possibility of such kind of attack requires confirmation by security expert or NRS dev.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 27, 2015, 06:30:04 am
Are there any other truly decentralized applications out there that install on your own system and communicate via a blockchain?

Can FreeMarket (and NXT) operate with inbound connections disabled?
I don't know of any other applications which are working on our system. There are applications which communicate over blockchain: MGW, Concorde.

FreeMarket and NXT can operate without inbound connections.
Why not use Nxtty to chat. Maybe the service can be integrate to the market.
We discussed this idea but it is low priority. Maybe later.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 27, 2015, 05:07:06 pm
Is a buyer's or seller's IP address discoverable when using FreeMarket?
Seller can put an image to his own hosting and log all IPs so any time you will see an image your IP is logged. This is a minor security breach since there is nothing illegal in watching images on the internet.
If seller is using public image hosting his IP can be logged by this hosting. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use anonymous image hostings and use proxy when accessing image hostings.

What is the size limit for storing data on the NXT blockchain?


Malicious NXT node can try to track broadcasted transactions and log IPs of FreeMarket related transactions. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use NRS with Tor or use freemarketlite.cc for listing or buying goods. The possibility of such kind of attack requires confirmation by security expert or NRS dev.

That sounds like a potentially major privacy breach.  Are there plans to have it confirmed?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 27, 2015, 06:27:23 pm
Is a buyer's or seller's IP address discoverable when using FreeMarket?
Seller can put an image to his own hosting and log all IPs so any time you will see an image your IP is logged. This is a minor security breach since there is nothing illegal in watching images on the internet.
If seller is using public image hosting his IP can be logged by this hosting. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use anonymous image hostings and use proxy when accessing image hostings.

What is the size limit for storing data on the NXT blockchain?


Malicious NXT node can try to track broadcasted transactions and log IPs of FreeMarket related transactions. This is a minor security breach. We recommend to use NRS with Tor or use freemarketlite.cc for listing or buying goods. The possibility of such kind of attack requires confirmation by security expert or NRS dev.

That sounds like a potentially major privacy breach.  Are there plans to have it confirmed?
It all depends on how much privacy you need. Against an attacker that has seeded the network with many sybil nodes and can correlate all the network traffic in addition to email content and website accesses, well you would need some serious privacy tools.

To my knowledge there is nothing currently that provides that level of privacy. I am designing the SuperNET decentralized relays to be able to support advanced privacy modes, but it is still being developed

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on May 27, 2015, 07:22:15 pm
What is the size limit for storing data on the NXT blockchain?
Are you referring to store images on the blockchain? We have such functionality planned but images will be quite small and for additional fee. Size limit is 42kb.

That sounds like a potentially major privacy breach.  Are there plans to have it confirmed?
You should contact NRS devs for the info on such attack. We are focused on basic functionality now.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 27, 2015, 11:00:57 pm
What is the size limit for storing data on the NXT blockchain?
Are you referring to store images on the blockchain? We have such functionality planned but images will be quite small and for additional fee. Size limit is 42kb.

I'm very glad this is planned.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 27, 2015, 11:13:52 pm
It all depends on how much privacy you need. Against an attacker that has seeded the network with many sybil nodes and can correlate all the network traffic in addition to email content and website accesses, well you would need some serious privacy tools.

At what point is an IP address passed from one node to another?  Don't they only communicate through the blockchain?


To my knowledge there is nothing currently that provides that level of privacy. I am designing the SuperNET decentralized relays to be able to support advanced privacy modes, but it is still being developed

I believe the Maidsafe network is designed to be immune to this sort of attack.  Maybe worth looking into that design for SuperNET, although Maidsafe is P2P and doesn't utilize a blockchain.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 27, 2015, 11:21:36 pm
It all depends on how much privacy you need. Against an attacker that has seeded the network with many sybil nodes and can correlate all the network traffic in addition to email content and website accesses, well you would need some serious privacy tools.

At what point is an IP address passed from one node to another?  Don't they only communicate through the blockchain?


To my knowledge there is nothing currently that provides that level of privacy. I am designing the SuperNET decentralized relays to be able to support advanced privacy modes, but it is still being developed

I believe the Maidsafe network is designed to be immune to this sort of attack.  Maybe worth looking into that design for SuperNET, although Maidsafe is P2P and doesn't utilize a blockchain.
the blockchain doesnt exist as something you can directly send packets to...
you need to use some sort of networking protocol, like tcpip, udp, meshnet, radio, etc.

The nxt nodes are connected into a p2p network where each node is connected to a small subset of all nodes. So if you submit a tx to the network, your immediate peer will know you sent this tx. At the most basic level you are exposed to your neighbors. However since your node is relaying all traffic, just because a tx came in from your node doesnt mean it was yours.

so to gain some privacy submit via proxy server that you dont care people know you are using. Of course the SWAT team can storm the ISP and torture the operators till they divulge your info. So additional measures are needed for stronger privacy. It all depends on the privacy level you seek.

SuperNET uses primarily offchain to communicate
I tried to read the maidsafe code, but it seemed to have just a lot of code and I couldnt really tell what it is doing. And my rule for privacy code is that I need to fully understand all the code being used, or it has to be some well known blackbox, ie Bernsteins curve25519 library

James
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 28, 2015, 04:29:36 pm
At the most basic level you are exposed to your neighbors. However since your node is relaying all traffic, just because a tx came in from your node doesnt mean it was yours.

Why isn't this enough to protect your privacy?


SuperNET uses primarily offchain to communicate

Does that mean SuperNET sets up its own P2P network for communication separate from the NXT and BTCD P2P networks?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 28, 2015, 04:43:18 pm
At the most basic level you are exposed to your neighbors. However since your node is relaying all traffic, just because a tx came in from your node doesnt mean it was yours.
Why isn't this enough to protect your privacy?
because the network could have a lot of attacker nodes a that are correlating information. Since your node is most likely submitting the initial copy of the tx to your immediate peers any attacker that can monitor the spread of the tx through the network can backtrack to the node that initially put the node in.

I have a solution to this that will be in SuperNET and all supported coins will be able to take advantage of this.

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Does that mean SuperNET sets up its own P2P network for communication separate from the NXT and BTCD P2P networks?
yes

SuperNET has a decentralized load balancer nodes (relays) and they act as a "switchboard". It gets quite complicated to describe dynamic network topologies, as it is not as simple as a mesh connected set of hub and spoke relays as it is possible to overlay many other network topologies on top of or in parallel to the load balancer relays

for example, one of the relay functions will be to establish private direct connections with nodes. Once this is setup, it can forward packets both ways, thus acting as a proxy. Still working on how to allow for making a pipeline of such proxy connections without getting traffic explosion. But even without that, with a command such as "synchronized inject" then the network will get the injection tx at the same time from all the relays.

Now your exposure is if the relay you are connected to is compromised, but I am having solutions for such things too
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 28, 2015, 05:06:31 pm
SuperNET has a decentralized load balancer nodes (relays) and they act as a "switchboard". It gets quite complicated to describe dynamic network topologies, as it is not as simple as a mesh connected set of hub and spoke relays as it is possible to overlay many other network topologies on top of or in parallel to the load balancer relays

for example, one of the relay functions will be to establish private direct connections with nodes. Once this is setup, it can forward packets both ways, thus acting as a proxy. Still working on how to allow for making a pipeline of such proxy connections without getting traffic explosion. But even without that, with a command such as "synchronized inject" then the network will get the injection tx at the same time from all the relays.

So the benefit here is I would only be communicating directly with, and exposing my IP address to, a single node?

BTW here is a brief description of Maidsafe's resistance to sybil attacks:

https://safenetwork.wiki/en/FAQ#Attacks_on_the_SAFE_Network
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 28, 2015, 05:26:39 pm
SuperNET has a decentralized load balancer nodes (relays) and they act as a "switchboard". It gets quite complicated to describe dynamic network topologies, as it is not as simple as a mesh connected set of hub and spoke relays as it is possible to overlay many other network topologies on top of or in parallel to the load balancer relays

for example, one of the relay functions will be to establish private direct connections with nodes. Once this is setup, it can forward packets both ways, thus acting as a proxy. Still working on how to allow for making a pipeline of such proxy connections without getting traffic explosion. But even without that, with a command such as "synchronized inject" then the network will get the injection tx at the same time from all the relays.

So the benefit here is I would only be communicating directly with, and exposing my IP address to, a single node?

BTW here is a brief description of Maidsafe's resistance to sybil attacks:

https://safenetwork.wiki/en/FAQ#Attacks_on_the_SAFE_Network
yes in this most basic privacy level you are limiting your exposure to one node.
there will be higher levels of privacy where you will be able to communicate to this one node in a way that it wont know your IP address

Maidsafe's sybil attack info to protect against false data has nothing to do with protecting your IP address.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 28, 2015, 06:20:25 pm
Maidsafe's sybil attack info to protect against false data has nothing to do with protecting your IP address.

Oops, you're right.  I think its the nature of the Maidsafe P2P network (no blockchain, no public transparency) that will provide its users with the extra privacy.  A request to read/write data doesn't need to propagate amongst as many Maidsafe nodes as it does blockchain nodes.  I think that's what makes a sybil attack to discover a user's IP address less feasible on Maidsafe.  But my understanding of this is rudimentary.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 28, 2015, 06:32:24 pm
Maidsafe's sybil attack info to protect against false data has nothing to do with protecting your IP address.

Oops, you're right.  I think its the nature of the Maidsafe P2P network (no blockchain, no public transparency) that will provide its users with the extra privacy.  A request to read/write data doesn't need to propagate amongst as many Maidsafe nodes as it does blockchain nodes.  I think that's what makes a sybil attack to discover a user's IP address less feasible on Maidsafe.  But my understanding of this is rudimentary.
it is the reverse isnt it?
since the data isnt propagating around the entire network, the possible sources for the data is limited to a very very small subset of nodes

not saying this is bad in and of itself, but if you are equating a bit of sybil resistance for data blocks to mean ip addr privacy, it is like from knowing that a fish swims and deducing from that a bicycle must fly
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 28, 2015, 06:54:26 pm
I think its the nature of the Maidsafe P2P network (no blockchain, no public transparency) that will provide its users with the extra privacy.  A request to read/write data doesn't need to propagate amongst as many Maidsafe nodes as it does blockchain nodes.  I think that's what makes a sybil attack to discover a user's IP address less feasible on Maidsafe.  But my understanding of this is rudimentary.
it is the reverse isnt it?
since the data isnt propagating around the entire network, the possible sources for the data is limited to a very very small subset of nodes

Apparently a Maidsafe user connects to a random IP address, not one geographically nearby, so that there is no subset.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: jl777 on May 28, 2015, 07:21:31 pm
I think its the nature of the Maidsafe P2P network (no blockchain, no public transparency) that will provide its users with the extra privacy.  A request to read/write data doesn't need to propagate amongst as many Maidsafe nodes as it does blockchain nodes.  I think that's what makes a sybil attack to discover a user's IP address less feasible on Maidsafe.  But my understanding of this is rudimentary.
it is the reverse isnt it?
since the data isnt propagating around the entire network, the possible sources for the data is limited to a very very small subset of nodes

Apparently a Maidsafe user connects to a random IP address, not one geographically nearby, so that there is no subset.
what if that random node is an attacker's node?
then there is 100% correlation

let's say the attacker has 10% of the network's nodes and these are all cooperating
if each time it uses a random IP for the same datablock, then after half a dozen accesses odds are good you used an attacker's node and this correlation is propagated to all the attacker's nodes. This randomization actually leaks a lot more information than picking one node and just using that one, though that presents a different issue of total leakage if that happened to be an attacker node

you need to think of lifetime accumulation of statistical correlations that over time solve who is liked to each block
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on May 28, 2015, 07:47:10 pm
One thing about nodes on the Maidsafe network is they can't choose what data they're storing and I think that data is shuffled around between nodes periodically.  Maybe they can't even know what data they're storing at any given time?  Not sure about that.  But it's a slippery topic to say the least.  It might be worth delving into some of their ideas for SuperNET.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: nxtrocks on September 20, 2015, 08:54:07 pm
Is there still a live "Freemarket Lite" gateway online?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on September 20, 2015, 08:58:41 pm
Is there still a live "Freemarket Lite" gateway online?
Yes.
https://www.freemarketlite.cc/
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: diggndeeper on October 06, 2015, 02:09:23 am
Poke Poke. I'm really excited about this project, but don't see any news. Is there anything us mortals can do to help?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: LocoMB on October 06, 2015, 05:12:32 am
Poke Poke. I'm really excited about this project, but don't see any news. Is there anything us mortals can do to help?

yeah, occasional updates would be helpful!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: NxtSwe on October 06, 2015, 07:47:08 am
Taken from #freemarket channel on superNET slack 2 days ago:
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knuckle [1:58 PM]
Buying CoinoUSD using NXT or BTC is working from within FreeMarket. Buying and selling goods using NXT or CoinoUSD as the currency, also working. Just working on selling CoinoUSD back for NXT or BTC. Not strictly needed for FM to work, but a nice convenience, I think, to do it all within one interface.

knuckle [1:59 PM]
There have been some UI improvements as well, around the display of account balances, and some bug fixes.

knuckle [1:59 PM]
Once selling CoinoUSD is done, it will be ready for a new release.

knuckle [2:00 PM]
And I am working on that now.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 06, 2015, 08:17:32 am
Sorry for the silence, I spend most of my time in Slack.

Buying and selling items using CoinoUSD as the currency is done. This means you can use a stable (versus the USD) price, and move the proceeds into NXT or BTC or whatever.

You can also buy CoinoUSD within the FreeMarket UI, using NXT or BTC. I am working on making it possible to convert your CoinoUSD back into NXT or BTC within the FreeMarket UI, but at the moment that conversion is turned off in the Coinomat API, so I have to wait for that to be restored before I can finish.

So, we are close to having a new release; we'll want to have some beta testers first though. After that, I think Escrow might be the next big feature, we'll see.

There have also been some bug fixes (around relisting and also around the display of account balances), and some small tweaks here and there to the UI.

Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: martismartis on October 06, 2015, 08:34:37 am
Are there any fees earned in FM (7.77 NXt for listing)? If yes, do you have schedule for paying dividends from fees to FM shareholders?
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: PoofKnuckle on October 06, 2015, 09:12:33 am
Are there any fees earned in FM (7.77 NXt for listing)? If yes, do you have schedule for paying dividends from fees to FM shareholders?

Right now, fees are set to 0 NXT. We plan to pay dividends to shareholders from listing fees as soon as we start charging them. I think we need to drive adoption first, so to that end we are leaving fees set to 0 NXT for a while. No schedule at this point, it will depend on how effective we are at getting users.
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: diggndeeper on October 07, 2015, 01:57:09 am
Awesome. Thanks for the update. I look forward to seeing this in action!
Title: Re: [Official Thread] FreeMarket - 7.77 NXT listing fee & SuperNET revenue sharing
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 09, 2015, 08:16:36 am
Comments on OpenBazaar recent article:

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=6481.msg196063#msg196063
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