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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2015, 08:56:06 pm »

Give me a suggestion please.

Should TOR be enabled by default, when a user boots up SuperMesh node for the first time?

If not, it can be enabled/disabled always from Control Centre.

Would that be good?
Depends.
Does TOR slow down the machine by using up a lot of CPU/memory?
What about network performance?
If there are no significant drawbacks, then I think you can have it enabled.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2015, 09:00:39 pm »

Give me a suggestion please.

Should TOR be enabled by default, when a user boots up SuperMesh node for the first time?

If not, it can be enabled/disabled always from Control Centre.

Would that be good?
Depends.
Does TOR slow down the machine by using up a lot of CPU/memory?
What about network performance?
If there are no significant drawbacks, then I think you can have it enabled.

It doesn't slow down speed of internet in excess, but it's notable slow down speed.

I don't see much load on CPU or Memory if TOR is turned On by default.

I'm just using Edimax 802.11n Adaptors. Still testing Network performance with these. Would like to test with 802.11ac, and much wider range WiFi accessibility.

Will keep on testing for some more time and decide if TOR should be left enabled by default or not.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2015, 10:13:11 pm »

So with this space mesh network, would this enable a free, decentralised internet that would work using devices such as the proxyHam?
Sounds a great idea, the hard thing is getting enough people to use it to create a network.
I could also see govt making them illegal.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2015, 10:23:42 pm »

So with this space mesh network, would this enable a free, decentralised internet that would work using devices such as the proxyHam?
Sounds a great idea, the hard thing is getting enough people to use it to create a network.
I could also see govt making them illegal.

It always comes to technology geeks first. The Software will the be first thing accessible to people.

They'll assemble their stock IoT device or make their own custom hardware. They can use it for themselves or sell it further.

ProxyHam is surely a cool thing. I think there'll be more such options in coming years.

When enough people will be using SuperMesh.io nodes for different reasons like Anonymity, Security, Free MeshNet services, On demand Internet access (No regular contracts needed) which are payable via NXT or BTC or any other crypto, these nodes will go in demand. People need freedom of choice, privacy and security.

This project covers almost all aspects of it. In the beginning there'll be less people on this network, just like the first days of Bitcoin you can say. Eventually there'll be a lot more, just like after 6+ years today we have. More on Bitcoin network, and a lot on altcoin networks.

There'll be legal issues, there'll be options, there'll be parallel multiple MeshNet variants. More choices are expect to come in this area soon. It's just the beginning of MeshNET development, and we are at the right place at right time I think.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2015, 11:15:24 pm »

OneWeb's Mission to Start a Global Satellite Web Network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVtxNuSW1k

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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2015, 11:29:45 pm »

OneWeb's Mission to Start a Global Satellite Web Network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVtxNuSW1k

Cool!
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2015, 02:45:34 am »

Added Explore I2P service & Include in Project if fits to todo list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ya9fMS0Z0-xSew2rhLcHKbB9y4HVERwk9t-G1W4PzlY

EDIT 1: On quick review and search, seems I2P is bit resource intensive and not as good as in speed as TOR. I'd leave it for now, and put it on least priority list. Will do it in last tasks if needed.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2015, 08:13:16 am »

Was testing if changing network cable or putting it on to different public internet accessible interface will still keep the routing and features working.

Plugged off my existing WiFi

Plugged in my Mobile cable and used USB tethering

routing and anonymous features intact.

seems like Test Passed. :)

So, it will work with different situations.

You have Two WiFi adaptors. One will be configured to connect to your existing WiFi, and the other will provide you WiFi Access Point.

Or You have One WiFi, and you hook a LAN cable.

LAN cable will be your connection to regular Internet and WiFi will work as your Access Point.

Or you are taking it portable.

You have One WiFi, and you connect your Mobile USB to it, and use USB Tethering for getting access to internet.

In all three scenarios your internet will work.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2015, 03:43:03 pm »

no, plz don't implement tor as default. that would seem to plug the freedom-seeking user directly back into the spynet.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2015, 07:55:59 pm »

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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2015, 10:04:33 pm »

So with this space mesh network, would this enable a free, decentralised internet that would work using devices such as the proxyHam?
Sounds a great idea, the hard thing is getting enough people to use it to create a network.
I could also see govt making them illegal.

It always comes to technology geeks first. The Software will the be first thing accessible to people.

They'll assemble their stock IoT device or make their own custom hardware. They can use it for themselves or sell it further.

ProxyHam is surely a cool thing. I think there'll be more such options in coming years.

When enough people will be using SuperMesh.io nodes for different reasons like Anonymity, Security, Free MeshNet services, On demand Internet access (No regular contracts needed) which are payable via NXT or BTC or any other crypto, these nodes will go in demand. People need freedom of choice, privacy and security.

This project covers almost all aspects of it. In the beginning there'll be less people on this network, just like the first days of Bitcoin you can say. Eventually there'll be a lot more, just like after 6+ years today we have. More on Bitcoin network, and a lot on altcoin networks.

There'll be legal issues, there'll be options, there'll be parallel multiple MeshNet variants. More choices are expect to come in this area soon. It's just the beginning of MeshNET development, and we are at the right place at right time I think.

Yes quite true, people will find ways to buy them if they want, i guess its more to do with the RF band that legal issues could present a problem, depending on the country.

With spacemesh, if satellites are going to be used, how will that work, as they are expensive?
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2015, 10:08:40 pm »

So with this space mesh network, would this enable a free, decentralised internet that would work using devices such as the proxyHam?
Sounds a great idea, the hard thing is getting enough people to use it to create a network.
I could also see govt making them illegal.

It always comes to technology geeks first. The Software will the be first thing accessible to people.

They'll assemble their stock IoT device or make their own custom hardware. They can use it for themselves or sell it further.

ProxyHam is surely a cool thing. I think there'll be more such options in coming years.

When enough people will be using SuperMesh.io nodes for different reasons like Anonymity, Security, Free MeshNet services, On demand Internet access (No regular contracts needed) which are payable via NXT or BTC or any other crypto, these nodes will go in demand. People need freedom of choice, privacy and security.

This project covers almost all aspects of it. In the beginning there'll be less people on this network, just like the first days of Bitcoin you can say. Eventually there'll be a lot more, just like after 6+ years today we have. More on Bitcoin network, and a lot on altcoin networks.

There'll be legal issues, there'll be options, there'll be parallel multiple MeshNet variants. More choices are expect to come in this area soon. It's just the beginning of MeshNET development, and we are at the right place at right time I think.

Yes quite true, people will find ways to buy them if they want, i guess its more to do with the RF band that legal issues could present a problem, depending on the country.

With spacemesh, if satellites are going to be used, how will that work, as they are expensive?
satellites are only for the final phase, to connect all the localmesh regions together
these localmesh regions are created from wifi meshes that are connected via high bandwidth point to point nodes using devices similar to the one posted above.

so the cost of satellites will be spread across the entire network
in the interim encrypted packets via normal internet will need to be used
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2015, 11:31:39 pm »

no, plz don't implement tor as default. that would seem to plug the freedom-seeking user directly back into the spynet.

Ya, Tor is all but compromised. We know this. Why waste time with it? i2p however is not. I know you mentioned some performance issues, but it actually serves it's purpose whereas Tor is so much more dangerous as it merely gives the illusion of anonymity.

Agree with you that TOR isn't as Anonymous or as Secure as we think. I'll only put it to as option to be selected by user. Let the user decide what they want.

I put I2P to my least list as if I install I2P besides NXT Full client, both use Java, and both need system RAM. It'll be lot of load on IoT device and sharing system resources together.

I'm not saying I'll NOT include I2P. I'm just saying I am putting I2P to my least priority list. I'll do it at some point. Will see how can I optimise it.

May be by that time we have some better IoT devices with better RAM options on it. Then it won't be much issue. This little build is going to have so many system services out of the box on it, which shouldn't be. It's already going to consume a lot of system resources.

How to mange and optimize the OS to work with an IoT is a priority task. If the device will be slow, it won't be a good for mass acceptance. The thing is we make a product, and give recommended conditions to use it in. People don't really care. They just use it to the extent it breaks, and then complain.

It gotta take care of such things as well to some extent, even though I know it's not totally possible to. There'll still be complaining consumer/people.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2015, 01:04:54 am »

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2015, 03:26:55 am »

PurpleI2P project is a C++ implementation of I2P, it requires less CPU/RAM than the original Java I2P.
https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd
Always disable the floodfill option to use even less resources on low-end hardware.
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2015, 03:44:38 am »

PurpleI2P project is a C++ implementation of I2P, it requires less CPU/RAM than the original Java I2P.
https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd
Always disable the floodfill option to use even less resources on low-end hardware.

Awesome! What else can be better than a light weight I2P. Will check it in coming weeks.
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2015, 10:35:06 am »

I was consulting with a Network Professional regarding access to IPv6 MeshNET from IPv4 DHCP clients accessible from SuperMesh.io nodes. It seems I might have to do the setup again, as it's not straight forward to do routing for IPv4 clients to IPv6 only MeshNET.

I'll have to setup SuperMesh.io nodes as DHCP which will only give IPv6 address to it's WiFi clients.
Then all IPv6 DHCP clients will be routing to MeshNet's IPv6 network, as well as Intenet's and Tor's or any other IPv4 network to be able to access all services without doing any special settings being SuperMesh.io node's WiFi client.

Now, the question is, how many people have devices which are compatible with IPv6. Means, if I setup SuperMesh.io nodes to only give IPv6 address to it's WiFi clients, and if the WiFi client devices yet do not support IPv6 they'll not be able to access services from SuperMesh.io node.

I'll be doing experiment and testing with this setup and may be other kind of setup models too, to see a viable good solution finally.

Let me know your views and thoughts on this.

Cheers,
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2015, 07:50:21 am »

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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2015, 12:09:36 pm »

I'm testing IPv6, MeshNET IPv6 websites access on WiFi Clients.

I made SuperMesh.io node as a MeshNET IPv6 Gateway, and set it up to also assign IPv6 to connect WiFi clients on the network.
All WiFi clients connected to SuperMesh.io nodes gets IPv4 address by default.
After a minute they also gets assigned with a IPv6 address as well.

To my test:
 - If TOR is enabled, all services are accessible through TOR. .onion websites only accessible on TOR network are accessible by default, and no special settings needed to be done.
 - IPv6 only websites, which are accessible on MeshNET are also accessible!!! :)

Issues:
 - Some web browsers by default do no support IPv6, and some settings needs to be enabled/disabled in those to enable IPv6 websites accessible. Well, that's out of SuperMesh.io's scope, but I'll include the instructions on how to and what would need to be enabled.
 - Sometimes IPv6 websites are not accessible using .nxt or .hype DNS. I'm still checking on this issue, and do more testing.

Of course MeshNET websites which are only IPv6, will only be accessible to WiFi clients which support IPv6. Otherwise, they can not connect to MeshNET as the MeshNET is only IPv6. Well, this is CJDNS supported MeshNET I'm talking about here.

There are other variants of MeshNETs out there. Once I find my tests with CJDNS MeshNET setup is going good, I'll explore other MeshNET variants too. One on my list is 'Freifunk' (freifunk.net/en/), suggested by @davethetrousers. It's as of now is only a Router only image, but I'll still explore this as it's popular in Europe. What is bad in having more options?! ;)

What's next after this feature?
To enable Beacon on SuperMesh.io node.
With this feature if SuperMesh.io node finds any other SuperMesh.io node around it will peer with those nodes and will add it to it's peer connect list. This will enable auto connect and auto setup of SuperMesh.io nodes.
This would be a really cool feature as it makes a truely MeshNET enabled network which is managed automatically by SuperMesh.io nodes them selves.
All a SuperMesh.io node will need to just power their nodes up and leave them alone.
More SuperMesh.io nodes will be around stronger the network would be.

Will keep you updated with progress.

Cheers,
Satinder
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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2015, 02:03:21 pm »

Agreed, Satinder, the more meshnets you can connect into the better for the project. My request continues to be that the privacy and anonymity of spacenet users be the number-one priority.

It is my layman's understanding that any meshnet will prevent man-in-the-middle and other spy operations. Is that true?

And more generally: how *would* a spy try to infiltrate a meshnet? I understand that an NSA (CIA, IRS, SEC, ETC) agent could start up his own nodes on spacenet and pretend to be a "normal" user, whose trust he eventually wins over. Is there another method a spy could use to pry into spacenet users' privacy?
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