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SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« on: June 28, 2015, 01:14:42 am »

originally in this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/all-in-one-nxt-supernet-freemarket-meshnet-raspberry-pi-device

SpaceMesh is the logical evolution of this. Initially ground based units will be created to form and connect to existing localmesh networks. Adjacent localmesh networks to be connected via line of sight high bandwidth links into regions and finally satellite base stations to connect all the regions together.

Ultimately a totally decentralized global alternative to the Internet (and google)

There will be 10% dividended out to SuperNET/NXTventure assetholders when the launch code is approved with net positive number that creates the following hash: 4e4592a9786751eec44cfc78978c8d438fc737c2

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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2015, 10:25:14 pm »

Github Repo: https://github.com/satindergrewal/SuperMesh/

If you have any feature request or any issues, you can submit those here:
https://github.com/satindergrewal/SuperMesh/issues

This is the so far progress on SuperMesh Development:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ya9fMS0Z0-xSew2rhLcHKbB9y4HVERwk9t-G1W4PzlY

12 July 2015: SuperMesh.io Test Release - More Info: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=9491.msg187946#msg187946
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2015, 06:45:25 am »

This is great news guys!!!

Satellite MeshNet?   :o

NPP Satellite Launch Animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7SeAYumoI

Astra - How satellites are launched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2eyEDy7p4

Do you want me to contact SpaceX (https://www.youtube.com/user/spacexchannel)?

Jokes aside, my background is Economics. Currently I am the Business Developer and Accountant at Nxter.org (https://nxtforum.org/nxter-org/main-thread/msg182928/#msg182928). So, if you need any help on these matters I will be happy to contribute.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2015, 06:49:55 am »

This is great news guys!!!

Satellite MeshNet?   :o

NPP Satellite Launch Animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7SeAYumoI

Astra - How satellites are launched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2eyEDy7p4

Do you want me to contact SpaceX (https://www.youtube.com/user/spacexchannel)?

Jokes aside, my background is Economics. Currently I am the Business Developer and Accountant at Nxter.org (https://nxtforum.org/nxter-org/main-thread/msg182928/#msg182928). So, if you need any help on these matters I will be happy to contribute.

How about when a working experimental build comes out, you make an Exclusive video of it with your reviews?

You can also take a look at the spreadsheet linked in previous post and may be let others know what's happening in NXT community.

Glad to hear from you here.

Cheers
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Re: SpaceMesh.org and SuperMesh.io asset
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2015, 04:52:17 pm »

I'm curious.  Could this be used in some way with your project?  And/or is this something to compare your project to:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/communitycube-the-nsa-hates-us

Great work btw
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 07:21:06 pm »

It seems that Skycoin is similar project - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.0
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2015, 07:58:22 pm »

I'm glad you two decided to collaborate on this. Supernet itself is a kind of alternate internet, if I understand it correctly, and I always wanted to see it connected with Hyperboria or other meshnet. Good luck with this fascinating project!
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2015, 09:46:55 pm »

I'm curious.  Could this be used in some way with your project?  And/or is this something to compare your project to:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/communitycube-the-nsa-hates-us

Great work btw

Thanks for sharing the link.

That's an interesting project MrV777. Very similar to ours I'd say. Eventually we are going to do something like that, except we'll have more integrated cyrpto services in our platform. May be in the future I'll give this project a try as well, and see what they have already if people can buy their product and install our software and use it to connect to CJDNS MeshNET.

It's not clear from their video or indigogo page, how they are connecting to MeshNET. Which mechanism or software they are using to make a MeshNET.

In CJDNS all nodes gets only IPv6.
All nodes communicate with each other in encrypted mode.
Even if you access a HTTP, I think that's also going to be encrypted (this needs to be confirmed).

All services mentioned can be included in this project as well, but I'd like to keep this software slim. That'll give much flexibility to add additional services to system only if user'd like to have. Makes sense when you want to make better use of your available device's resources.

It seems that Skycoin is similar project - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.0

I couldn't find any details of their SkyWire MeshNET.  Neither I could find their official website. Is this project alive at all??

I'm glad you two decided to collaborate on this. Supernet itself is a kind of alternate internet, if I understand it correctly, and I always wanted to see it connected with Hyperboria or other meshnet. Good luck with this fascinating project!

I think Luck won't do it. We will need your support and volunteer efforts for the project when needed. That's all this project needs! ;)

Cheers,
Satinder
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 10:36:53 pm »

To make things bit more clear here's what's happening in project development.

Originally I was going to release the Control Center and OS image for RasPi or other IoT devices including NXT Full client and additional NXT related applications, along with the extra services installed and working out of the box.

Since James collaborated in project, he also came up with streamlined ideas.

The project will be mainly focus on developing a Control Center to install and manage Crypto Applications and MeshNET related services with ease in modular way.
Plugging in a device to network would give you services related to connect to MeshNET, with anonymity and security.
NXT Full client and SuperNET would be available by default on OS. You'll not need to install NXT Client.

All other services such as Lite Wallets, NXT FreeMarket etc would need to be installed later by logging into Control Center. Don't worry, I'll make the process as easy as to just click 'Install' or 'Remove' button to make the additional applications installation easy for new users.

The reason, it's not really mandatory if everybody wants the same software and applications installed on their device. They must given a choice to either have it or not. If users aren't installing extra software they don't want they'll have bit more room for the installed applications and services and so the device will be faster.

This will be a modular approach to add additional applications and services to the System. Example:
 - If you want to install OwnCloud, sure just click and give some necessary info and it's done. That'll assign some system resources to it, otherwise you had your system resources available for other applications installed.
 - If you want NXT FreeMarket, just click to install.
 - If you want to install ANY Other Crypto Wallet which is supported by this OS/Control Center Software, click and Install.

Means, this project has to be slim in size support wide range of application and services. Light enough you can install it on your existing RasPi or other IoT device, and wide range applications supported enough you can make custom hardware node and install more services on it.

A framework will be set for additional applications and services to be supported by the OS/Control Center, so that it makes it easier for end users to be able to install and use it with ease. And if you are a developer, you'd know what exactly you'd need to do to make your applications and services to be supported by this OS/Control Center.

The first focus is to make the base services ready and then move on to Control Center development.
Then to make additional applications and services as modular packages which can be easily installed and updated with security measures in place.

Initially when the software will be ready, it'll be made available for public download and anybody would be able to download it and install on their stock IoT hardware. Recommended Stock Hardware information will be provided on official website.

For SpaceMesh Asset Holders: The software will be linked to NXT Blockchain, so a new installation of OS/Control Center will have to pay some amount to be able to use the full services of the OS. Otherwise it would be only basic NXT Client Wallet or SuperNET wallet on it. (This process may be changed later. It's still in planning phase). The more software installs will happen the more earnings SpaceMesh Asset will have, and so a strong dividends for all Asset holders will be.

Extending the limit of SuperMesh will also give other crypto technologies out there to make use of this software, which will lead more earning for SpaceMesh asset holders.

My efforts on project is to work on improving the Software/OS part, and make it ready for stock hardware out there.
People will be able to make their own hardware setup and install this OS and use it, or sell it further.

Then after we'll focus on official Custom Hardware for the device.

James came up with Space Satellite idea, and he knows better about SpaceMesh plans. We'll surely have something amazing when the SuperMesh software releases.

There's a lot to do for me, and any volunteers of this project who will join. We expect very nice earnings from SpaceMesh Assets.

If you are on SuperNET Slack, join #spacemesh channel for latest updates and discussions.

Cheers,
Satinder
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2015, 11:44:51 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2015, 11:46:47 pm »

http://i.imgur.com/jiqcwjJ.gif

Yea, it's very similar to 'wright brothers' efforts to fly and when people didn't believe them. I believe in my efforts. We'll fly. :)
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2015, 11:54:02 pm »

http://i.imgur.com/jiqcwjJ.gif

Yea, it's very similar to 'wright brothers' efforts to fly and when people didn't believe them. I believe in my efforts. We'll fly. :)
It is easy to project land based mesh networks expanding as far as there are people living in a location at sufficient density.
However, this expansion will lead to regions that dont connect and the current solution is to use the existing internet to connect these regions. For short term stop gap, nothing wrong and very practical.

However, long term there is a distinct possibility that crypto is being made harder and harder to use on the corporate internet.

Then we combine this, with things like $1000 per kg cost to get something into orbit, current costs for a satellite being ~$100K and we realize this is 2015 and not 2005!

Give a few more years of moore's law and the cost for satellite should keep coming down, as the meshnet regions get bigger and bigger. At some point (100,000+ SuperNET users), then each satellite would cost less than $1 per SuperNET user.

This is not any science fiction. Now, if we get clever rocket scientists to figure out how to increase the bandwidth from a satellite, reduce the costs, all this could happen sooner rather than later.

So the SpaceMesh asset combines both the short term standard supermesh.io node and the longer term satellite base stations that will link the regions together. I expect there will also be a high bandwidth line of sight node in between the base station and the supermesh.io nodes.

Also, there are half a dozen or more other project, each doing various parts of this and I am hopeful we can join forces to make the most efficient path to a fully decentralized network that we can all use

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2015, 10:09:34 pm »

If anybody wants to learn about CJDNS MeshNet, they will find these resources useful:

"Wireless Meshnets: Building the Next Version of the Web" - HOPE 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEo4uLAJ32U

Author of CJDNS Library - Caleb James Delisle -Bitcoin 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCFmzGknUew

Battlemesh V7 | CJDNS & Project Meshnet - Lars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pC8EPPFmlE

Project MeshNET offical website: http://projectmeshnet.org/

What is Hyperboria, and official website: http://hyperboria.net/

FAQs about CJDNS MeshNET: https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/FAQ

Known MeshNET specific websites, which are known as Hyperboria websites: https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/Known_Hyperboria_sites

Known MeshNET specific services: https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/Known_Hyperboria_services

CJDNS MeshNET Github source with MeshNET related FAQs: https://github.com/hyperboria/docs/blob/master/faq/peering.md

Unofficial source of Project MeshNET/CJDNS MeshNET's wiki/FAQs: http://transitiontech.ca/faq

Information regarding peers on CJDNS MeshNET: http://cjdns.ca/peers.txt
Source2: https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/How_To_Add_Peers

Unofficial Project MeshNET/CJDNS MeshNET documentation link: https://docs.meshwith.me/en/
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2015, 10:20:16 pm »

I was feeling bit tired this whole week. Seems I pushed hard in previous weeks to give a boost start to this project.

Currently I'm focusing on multiple things and switching between tasks. Things I'm working on right now are:
 - Make a WiFi HotSpot,
 - Test BitcoinDark on RasPi
 - Test InstantDEX on RasPi
 - Routing on RasPi

Cheers,
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 06:52:14 am »

Started using my own RasPi as WiFi router. Decentralised DNS resolves by default without any issues.

It's just half way through. Adding more features to Routing.

Will test it for some days.
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 09:54:46 am »

SuperMesh Router WiFi clients are automatically connect through TOR. Anonymity is default for all WiFi clients.

This option will be made an option in Control Center, so that clients have the option to disable/enable Anonymity.

Without installing any TOR Service on local systems, WiFi clients are able to access .onion TOR service. A picture below shows Google Chrome and FireFox able to visit TheHiddenWiki without having TOR software installed on machine:


And every time you refresh http://www.ipchicken.com/ it shows different IP.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 12:22:51 pm »

Give me a suggestion please.

Should TOR be enabled by default, when a user boots up SuperMesh node for the first time?

If not, it can be enabled/disabled always from Control Centre.

Would that be good?
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 01:48:45 pm »

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 04:06:24 pm »

https://bgr.com/2015/07/01/proxyham-wifi-anonymous-secure-25-miles/
Thanks!
With more and more hardware like this, it will become easier and easier to connect localmeshes into larger regions
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