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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2014, 10:22:26 am »

I'm sorry, but i'm not a troll...
from what I understand from this story its not about servers and problem and team and ect.. (all of those can be solved but I dont feel he wants to solve it)

Its all about time, James don't have time for MGW his older project and he want to focus on supernet his new one.
That is completely fine by me but not until you have someone who will take care for MGW.

If an exchange would have closed because the founder doesn't have time for it, and you have money stuck there would you be fine with it? I really doubt it.

anyways im not going to respond to this subject anymore as I don't think I can add anything new.

James has a team lined up to take over the MGW. See post above by abuelau.

I think James's announcement was just to hurry them into action. I do think the announcement was ill-advised though, whatever the result.

yes i'm aware of this, but this is because i look at this forum many times a day. Think about people that doesn't, about new users etc: it's about these people that James will have to care when his projects will become really big. I'm just saying that thing must be prepared not only on a technical point of vue but also on the communication point of vue mainly when things are becoming big.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2014, 10:24:00 am »

The step is comprehensible, from the coders point.. but not from the perspective of investors/traders. You cant announce something like that 5(!) days before and assume that everybody who has mgwBTC Assets will read the forum.

That will undermines the trust in MGW and propably other James Assets.
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There are 600+ SuperNET assetholders who invested almost 6000 BTC who are counting on me to complete the tech.
They invested because they trust you.. dont risk to loose that on the long run.

I dont have any of your assets but iam a Service Provider too. Customers dont like stuck money and will remember that for a long time.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2014, 10:37:23 am »

don't listen to trolls and keep the good work James.

BUT one thing is true in all this: you should consider building a department/team that do thing that you are not the best person for: maintenance, communication, etc. You should also consider making a website where all infos about your projects could be centralized (oups!) in a synthetic and comprehensible way instead of scattered here and there.
you mean like thesupernet.org

doesn't work, is the server up?
https://forum.thesupernet.org works for me
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2014, 10:39:04 am »

get it, thx
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2014, 10:41:00 am »

Please don't panic.

I'm in the lead of the MGW triplet and we will take care of it. I'm not at my computer now, but I will be in a few hours.

I will elaborate more on this topic a bit later. But don't worry, we got a new member on the MGW team which needed a week to get the server running.

We're probably on air that weekend anyway. Nearly there.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2014, 10:42:19 am »

The step is comprehensible, from the coders point.. but not from the perspective of investors/traders. You cant announce something like that 5(!) days before and assume that everybody who has mgwBTC Assets will read the forum.

That will undermines the trust in MGW and propably other James Assets.
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They invested because they trust you.. dont risk to loose that on the long run.

I dont have any of your assets but iam a Service Provider too. Customers dont like stuck money and will remember that for a long time.
At the end of July I announced that the end of August would be when I would stop, that was more than one month notice and more than two months ago. I never agreed to continue running the servers forever so not sure how I am breaking anybody's trust on this.

then there was the non-backwards compatible NRS release and bter hack incident and all of September has gone by. If 5 days is not enough for the production team to get the production servers ready then what am I to do? I made the software but I never agreed to run the servers forever.

The money will be stuck only as long as the production servers are offline (plus a day or so)
this downtime is unavoidable and recently we are getting this downtime anyway

James
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2014, 10:48:18 am »

Beware all other James "assets" will end like this!  :o
you mean running on more reliable production servers?
I mean SuperNet will be stopped when some SuperSuperNet became your priority :P
I never agreed to run the MGW servers forever. Please find my promise to do this. I wrote the code, I ran the dev servers, I was MGW customer support and server tech for far longer than is reasonable. I have given MONTHS notice. I have setup production server team and uMGW teams. I have trained people on how to run the MGW, even make code changes.

There comes a time when a project needs to stand on its own two feet and not rely on its founder anymore. For MGW, that time is now. it will work much better when all of MGW is NOT centralized through me. MGW will become much better when I am not doing the day to day work on it. Already we see marcus03 has made a realtime status page you can view from the web.

So for the benefit of MGW I have to force it out of the nest and it must learn to fly.

James

P.S. I also want to become obsolete for SuperNET. Once there are specialists doing all the things that need to be done, then SuperNET will be better off than having everything centralized through me. However, first I must complete the coding and get it ready to fly on its own.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2014, 11:07:42 am »


There comes a time when a project needs to stand on its own two feet and not rely on its founder anymore. For MGW, that time is now. it will work much better when all of MGW is NOT centralized through me. MGW will become much better when I am not doing the day to day work on it.

This makes sense.

This info should have been in your initial announcement, plus about production servers being close to ready. The way you framed it led some people to believe that the MGW was being abandoned, and might never be resurrected, hence the title of this OP.

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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2014, 11:12:55 am »


There comes a time when a project needs to stand on its own two feet and not rely on its founder anymore. For MGW, that time is now. it will work much better when all of MGW is NOT centralized through me. MGW will become much better when I am not doing the day to day work on it.

This makes sense.

This info should have been in your initial announcement, plus about production servers being close to ready. The way you framed it led some people to believe that the MGW was being abandoned, and might never be resurrected, hence the title of this OP.
I am always being told that I am not good at communicating properly
this is proof of that
however I am good at coding
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2014, 12:33:15 pm »

James I respect you very much, because you are always there to help if anyone has question or a problem, but I must express my opinion.

Why are you making new stuff on top of NXT, if you can't even handle one thing?

You made MGW, which I think is AWESOME (I used it since begining and ditched other exchanges), big step towards complete decentralisation and now when it's holding you back, you are going to shut it down, because you must make new stuff.

How can we expect that all the new stuff you make won't fail just like MGW?

If you pile up a bunch of stuff that would need adjusting all the time, then they will fail one by one...

Get someone to help you maintaining MGW.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2014, 12:54:55 pm »

James I respect you very much, because you are always there to help if anyone has question or a problem, but I must express my opinion.

Why are you making new stuff on top of NXT, if you can't even handle one thing?

You made MGW, which I think is AWESOME (I used it since begining and ditched other exchanges), big step towards complete decentralisation and now when it's holding you back, you are going to shut it down, because you must make new stuff.

How can we expect that all the new stuff you make won't fail just like MGW?

If you pile up a bunch of stuff that would need adjusting all the time, then they will fail one by one...

Get someone to help you maintaining MGW.

Read other posts in the thread. The MGW is not going down, instead the production servers guys (Frohike/coinomat/abeulau) are taking over. It was just a miscommunication from James.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2014, 12:55:02 pm »

How can we expect that all the new stuff you make won't fail just like MGW?

MGW hasn't failed.  Production has been delayed is all.  This honestly happens very often in the tech world.

It sounds like Team Adama is on track for a release soon, however.

Also, as a member of Team Starbuck(MGW Cluster #1), I want to assure all MGW users that James's announcement does not affect Dogecoin, Blackcoin, and Viacoin on MGW.  It runs on different servers and will continue to do so no matter what happens with the Cluster #0 in the next couple weeks.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2014, 02:44:56 pm »

Please dont shut down the amazing MGW feature.
Thanks james for all hard and coding for Nxt .
Nxt community we need to provide suitable/stable/long term server for MGW.
Don't  we want to see bter's accident without MGW again?
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2014, 05:39:06 pm »


There comes a time when a project needs to stand on its own two feet and not rely on its founder anymore. For MGW, that time is now. it will work much better when all of MGW is NOT centralized through me. MGW will become much better when I am not doing the day to day work on it.

This makes sense.

This info should have been in your initial announcement, plus about production servers being close to ready. The way you framed it led some people to believe that the MGW was being abandoned, and might never be resurrected, hence the title of this OP.

Just to summarise a little; James wants to step away from the sheer hassle of running day-to-day MGW operations inorder to spend more time coding on SuperNET. Understandable.

There has always been a vague roadmap to completely hand over all MGW operations to the wider NXT community, so this announcement shouldn't really come as a massive surprise, but should be seen as an important step in taking MGW operations to the next level.

And finally: it looks as if MGW operations will continue almost uninterrupted, with both teams looking good to take over operations from James.
Don't forgetv that MGW is meant to be as open as NXT itself, so if anyone has the urge to run an MGW server triplet.....get in touch with one of the existing team members.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2014, 06:40:19 pm »

MGW guys if you need for some help please write me pm. I can recommend a coder/server admin, share my own knowledge etc.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2014, 06:45:01 pm »

I understand James reasons and withdrew the remaining mgwBTC. As both an active market maker for mgw and a superNET stakeholder i hope the best for these projects and i want to thank James for what he is doing.
How long will i have to wait for my withdrawal request to be processed?   
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2014, 08:15:16 pm »

I understand James reasons and withdrew the remaining mgwBTC. As both an active market maker for mgw and a superNET stakeholder i hope the best for these projects and i want to thank James for what he is doing.
How long will i have to wait for my withdrawal request to be processed?
this is weekend and dgex doesnt do withdraws during the weekend and I switched to dgex response time this month, but people still PM me when their tx is more than 1 hour delayed. This is not good for me, nor for the users. MGW should have much better response times

the last server is almost caught up, took 24+ hours to recreate the cache for some reason, but I dont have the time to investigate why it is slow, so it is just chugging away.

So I think it should clear all withdraws sometime today.

For everyone worried about MGW shutdown, it is the MGW on my development servers that will be shutdown. These are called development servers because I am running experimental versions. Sometimes 100 in a day! Such versions are prone to crashing. That is what happened and the data cache got corrupted. So it is not safe for me to run experimental versions on the dev servers.

There have been production servers "almost ready" for over two months now and I have to hand off the MGW to others. I am running all three MGW servers, which is not its design. It also means three times the work to keep them up to date, synchronized, etc.

Thanks to all who are understanding of what I am doing. For those that are hating me for doing this, wait a week and see what the production team can do. Maybe MGW will have near realtime response and support half a dozen coins.

It is time for MGW to be run by the community

James
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2014, 09:13:59 pm »

Please don't panic.

I'm in the lead of the MGW triplet and we will take care of it. I'm not at my computer now, but I will be in a few hours.

I will elaborate more on this topic a bit later. But don't worry, we got a new member on the MGW team which needed a week to get the server running.

We're probably on air that weekend anyway. Nearly there.

Good to hear this. Please communicate this to the community. Communication is key to keep trust in MGW.

Good luck!
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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2014, 09:24:27 pm »

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