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Is this the end of MGW?
« on: September 28, 2014, 08:05:42 am »

James posted this some hours ago:
Well, today is totally lost. Between dealing with investor support issues I have to spend hours fiddling with MGW server.

I have way too much coding to do to be stuck doing MGW server maintenance!

So far the issues have not been related to MGW itself, server out of RAM, new versions, shellshock, test versions crashing and messing up the cache, etc.

As of next weekend, I will formally stop running MGW servers. Until the production servers are running, there wont be any MGW servers.

I suggest to withdraw all the MGW assets ASAP. if they get stuck after I shutdown the MGW on my dev servers, it could take a while for me to figure out how to properly to manual withdraws. I need to code for 14 to 20 hours at a stretch and I cannot be monitoring people's deposit/withdraws that are not appearing after 17 blocks. So if you do not withdraw before the weekend, the funds will be safe but inaccessible for some weeks.

James

What does this exactly means? Will MGW be totally off in some days and never  come back? Why was not "the process" shared between 3 independent parties as it was described?
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 08:11:42 am »

As a developer myself I can speculate that James is doing 1000 things at once right now. he is probably prioritizing what is most important and MGW is unfortunately probably not at the top of the list.

Every decision has a downside and I commend his efforts to write code for SuperNET over trying to babysit MGW beta servers
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 08:16:49 am »

James posted this some hours ago:
Well, today is totally lost. Between dealing with investor support issues I have to spend hours fiddling with MGW server.

I have way too much coding to do to be stuck doing MGW server maintenance!

So far the issues have not been related to MGW itself, server out of RAM, new versions, shellshock, test versions crashing and messing up the cache, etc.

As of next weekend, I will formally stop running MGW servers. Until the production servers are running, there wont be any MGW servers.

I suggest to withdraw all the MGW assets ASAP. if they get stuck after I shutdown the MGW on my dev servers, it could take a while for me to figure out how to properly to manual withdraws. I need to code for 14 to 20 hours at a stretch and I cannot be monitoring people's deposit/withdraws that are not appearing after 17 blocks. So if you do not withdraw before the weekend, the funds will be safe but inaccessible for some weeks.

James

What does this exactly means? Will MGW be totally off in some days and never  come back? Why was not "the process" shared between 3 independent parties as it was described?
The production servers are supposed to be nearly ready, but I have been hearing this for 3 months. It is severely impacting my work schedule and I need to complete SuperNET, Teleport, Tradebots, InstantDEX and Privatebet this year. I do not have any time to do MGW customer support or server maintenance. That is not my expertise anyway.

things should go much better when I am not doing MGW stuff that I shouldnt have been doing for a while. If this means MGW is offline for a month, then so be it. At least my coding will get back on track.

I cant zone out in the code for 12 hours like I used to and this makes me much, much slower at coding and I wont be able to finish all the projects this year if I keep doing MGW support.

James
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 08:37:11 am »

I totally understand your reasons James. I thought the "MGW team" was composed by several members and this "server maintenance" work was delegated to other members apart from you.

I am concerned about losing such valuable "feature" of NXT just when it was catching real awareness. I hope this issue does not take too long  and the image of NXT "environment" is not damaged.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2014, 08:46:01 am »

I totally understand your reasons James. I thought the "MGW team" was composed by several members and this "server maintenance" work was delegated to other members apart from you.

I am concerned about losing such valuable "feature" of NXT just when it was catching real awareness. I hope this issue does not take too long  and the image of NXT "environment" is not damaged.
I have been trying to get out of running the MGW servers for months, currently I am still the only one who is running any production MGW for BTC

I dont want to lose the MGW feature for NXT either, but the alternative is delaying SuperNET and all the other projects by literally months

If I cannot code for 12 hours without worrying about a stuck MGW tx, then I end up going 10 times slower. 100 lines of code per day is nowhere near enough to complete all my projects by year end

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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2014, 08:59:29 am »

Just find someone to maintain the MGW instead of you, don't shut down this awesome feature!
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2014, 09:03:32 am »

Just find someone to maintain the MGW instead of you, don't shut down this awesome feature!
You make it sound so easy.

There are already three companies in place, but has been months and we are a month past my end of August deadline and it is impacting my coding efficiency.

There are 600+ SuperNET assetholders who invested almost 6000 BTC who are counting on me to complete the tech.

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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2014, 09:25:01 am »

Just find someone to maintain the MGW instead of you, don't shut down this awesome feature!
You make it sound so easy.

There are already three companies in place, but has been months and we are a month past my end of August deadline and it is impacting my coding efficiency.

There are 600+ SuperNET assetholders who invested almost 6000 BTC who are counting on me to complete the tech.

James

and what about MGW asset holders?

edit : and people who will have their money stuck at MGW?
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2014, 09:32:06 am »

Just find someone to maintain the MGW instead of you, don't shut down this awesome feature!
You make it sound so easy.

There are already three companies in place, but has been months and we are a month past my end of August deadline and it is impacting my coding efficiency.

There are 600+ SuperNET assetholders who invested almost 6000 BTC who are counting on me to complete the tech.

James

and what about MGW asset holders?

edit : and people who will have their money stuck at MGW?
what about the MGW asset holders? It is no surprise that I am not going to run the MGW on my dev servers forever.

why wont the people withdraw their funds from MGW?

Should I continue to work for free forever to keep the MGW servers running and delay coding for SuperNET?

James
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2014, 10:00:26 am »

Beware all other James "assets" will end like this!  :o
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2014, 10:02:55 am »

Beware all other James "assets" will end like this!  :o
you mean running on more reliable production servers?
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2014, 10:04:46 am »

I think that James is doing the right thing.

I am responsible for one of the production servers, and my server has been ready for nearly a month now. We had problems with one of the servers not being ready and taking too long, hence the delay. But it seems we are now really close to finishing this, we are entering the final stage of the configuration which is to share the mgw.conf between the 3 servers and test to see if they communicate to each other. I am expecting that the production servers will be operational before James shuts his servers down.

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2014, 10:07:24 am »

I think that James is doing the right thing.

I am responsible for one of the production servers, and my server has been ready for nearly a month now. We had problems with one of the servers not being ready and taking too long, hence the delay. But it seems we are now really close to finishing this, we are entering the final stage of the configuration which is to share the mgw.conf between the 3 servers and test to see if they communicate to each other. I am expecting that the production servers will be operational before James shuts his servers down.

Fantastic news.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2014, 10:08:50 am »

don't listen to trolls and keep the good work James.

BUT one thing is true in all this: you should consider building a department/team that do thing that you are not the best person for: maintenance, communication, etc. You should also consider making a website where all infos about your projects could be centralized (oups!) in a synthetic and comprehensible way instead of scattered here and there.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2014, 10:13:33 am »

don't listen to trolls and keep the good work James.

BUT one thing is true in all this: you should consider building a department/team that do thing that you are not the best person for: maintenance, communication, etc. You should also consider making a website where all infos about your projects could be centralized (oups!) in a synthetic and comprehensible way instead of scattered here and there.
you mean like thesupernet.org
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2014, 10:14:42 am »

I'm sorry, but i'm not a troll...
from what I understand from this story its not about servers and problems and team and ect. (all of those can be solved but I dont feel he wants to solve it)

Its all about time, James don't have time for MGW his older project and he want to focus on supernet his new one.
That is completely fine by me but not until you have someone who will take care of MGW.

If an exchange would have closed because the founder doesn't have time for it, and you have money stuck there would you be fine with it? I really doubt it.

anyways im not going to respond to this subject anymore as I don't think I can add anything new.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 10:17:48 am by Canaanite »
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2014, 10:15:02 am »

I think that James is doing the right thing.

I am responsible for one of the production servers, and my server has been ready for nearly a month now. We had problems with one of the servers not being ready and taking too long, hence the delay. But it seems we are now really close to finishing this, we are entering the final stage of the configuration which is to share the mgw.conf between the 3 servers and test to see if they communicate to each other. I am expecting that the production servers will be operational before James shuts his servers down.
Great communication. Panic for nothing then.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 10:16:33 am »

don't listen to trolls and keep the good work James.

BUT one thing is true in all this: you should consider building a department/team that do thing that you are not the best person for: maintenance, communication, etc. You should also consider making a website where all infos about your projects could be centralized (oups!) in a synthetic and comprehensible way instead of scattered here and there.
you mean like thesupernet.org

doesn't work, is the server up?
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 10:18:35 am »

I'm sorry, but i'm not a troll...
from what I understand from this story its not about servers and problem and team and ect.. (all of those can be solved but I dont feel he wants to solve it)

Its all about time, James don't have time for MGW his older project and he want to focus on supernet his new one.
That is completely fine by me but not until you have someone who will take care for MGW.

If an exchange would have closed because the founder doesn't have time for it, and you have money stuck there would you be fine with it? I really doubt it.

anyways im not going to respond to this subject anymore as I don't think I can add anything new.

James has a team lined up to take over the MGW. See post above by abuelau.

I think James's announcement was just to hurry them into action. I do think the announcement was ill-advised though, whatever the result.
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Re: Is this the end of MGW?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2014, 10:21:04 am »

Beware all other James "assets" will end like this!  :o
you mean running on more reliable production servers?
I mean SuperNet will be stopped when some SuperSuperNet became your priority :P
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