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« on: October 15, 2014, 08:03:54 am »

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect. And you seem unaware that the trust issue extends far beyond such, into issuing copies of assets like Coinomat1 and nXtGenGHS.

You also lied about me and my company and what would be appearing in your report. You said that you had uncovered my "dirty laundry". You said I was incompetent, and that I had questionable business practices. These were comments made in a competitor's thread while he was trying to IPO. Your report did not contain any of this, but instead said that I was hardworking, competent, and so forth.

Is what I say true or untrue?

Why were my explanations ignored, and why did jefdiesel stop talking to me about my company when I offered to send him scans of receipts? I have reached out to you guys several times on all fronts, not just to help out because you have no idea what you're doing re: trust issues, but to make my own (non-competing) company KPS as open as it can be. The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job. In return I get 1/5 stars. There are really no words. A number of other people have commented on how biased your reviews have been. I warned you not to say things without having strong evidence to back it up and you went ahead and did it anyways.

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO. You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well. The truth is that it was not me who was trolling your threads, it was you who was trolling mine, and you need to face up to what you've done. Your investors, the people who gave you money to put this crap out, are going to be very sorry when your share price crashes. And it will, because no one is going to pay for inaccurate reports.
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Re: printshop's opinions
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 08:05:49 am »

https://nxtforum.org/nxtinspect/(ann)-nxtinspect-asset-analysis-program/

think i just answered the rest of my own questions.  by clicking.

guess i should click more then i type.  ha 

ill keep searchin (-;
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 08:13:49 am »

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect. And you seem unaware that the trust issue extends far beyond such, into issuing copies of assets like Coinomat1 and nXtGenGHS.

You also lied about me and my company and what would be appearing in your report. You said that you had uncovered my "dirty laundry". You said I was incompetent, and that I had questionable business practices. These were comments made in a competitor's thread while he was trying to IPO. Your report did not contain any of this, but instead said that I was hardworking, competent, and so forth.

Is what I say true or untrue?

Why were my explanations ignored, and why did jefdiesel stop talking to me about my company when I offered to send him scans of receipts? I have reached out to you guys several times on all fronts, not just to help out because you have no idea what you're doing re: trust issues, but to make my own (non-competing) company KPS as open as it can be. The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job. In return I get 1/5 stars. There are really no words. A number of other people have commented on how biased your reviews have been. I warned you not to say things without having strong evidence to back it up and you went ahead and did it anyways.

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO. You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well. The truth is that it was not me who was trolling your threads, it was you who was trolling mine, and you need to face up to what you've done. Your investors, the people who gave you money to put this crap out, are going to be very sorry when your share price crashes. And it will, because no one is going to pay for inaccurate reports.

o man.  this seems like it warrants a response.  like i said i was worried about stamps for the cool kids.  im new in the nxt forums and just noticed the star system today.  so i wouldn't really know much about the reports being biased or not..

  seems more then one report might be a good idea...   printshop was first to respond to my thread with their report package.  noticed the disgruntled thread after that..

Please don't just be stickers for cool kids.. - kinda thing that makes me nervous putting my communities money and direction into..

could obviously crush me if I was to go into competition?  that's not good.

maybe star system is a bad idea after all...  :(
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Re: printshop's opinions
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2014, 10:14:52 am »

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect. And you seem unaware that the trust issue extends far beyond such, into issuing copies of assets like Coinomat1 and nXtGenGHS.

You also lied about me and my company and what would be appearing in your report. You said that you had uncovered my "dirty laundry". You said I was incompetent, and that I had questionable business practices. These were comments made in a competitor's thread while he was trying to IPO. Your report did not contain any of this, but instead said that I was hardworking, competent, and so forth.

Is what I say true or untrue?

Why were my explanations ignored, and why did jefdiesel stop talking to me about my company when I offered to send him scans of receipts? I have reached out to you guys several times on all fronts, not just to help out because you have no idea what you're doing re: trust issues, but to make my own (non-competing) company KPS as open as it can be. The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job. In return I get 1/5 stars. There are really no words. A number of other people have commented on how biased your reviews have been. I warned you not to say things without having strong evidence to back it up and you went ahead and did it anyways.

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO. You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well. The truth is that it was not me who was trolling your threads, it was you who was trolling mine, and you need to face up to what you've done. Your investors, the people who gave you money to put this crap out, are going to be very sorry when your share price crashes. And it will, because no one is going to pay for inaccurate reports.

I will let Jef respond as he was the author of your report. Although I would openly like to get some facts straight.

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

Who is 'we'? As far as I know, you are a sole operator who runs a printshop.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect.

If you demand prompt responses from us, you really need to stop over-exaggerating. We currently hold 25% of our assets for future funding. You hold 99% of your assets.

The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job.

Why can't you provide a picture of yourself when you have a picture on your ardeva profile? Are you saying this picture and the information provided is fake?

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO.

No. You should have listened to me when I said no one will buy your 'IPO'. I thought I made it pretty clear why no one would, yet you insisted that you knew better. I was only trying to help you.

You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well.

Actually, YOU created a thread about us on how we are supposedly incompetent instead of just making an ANN about your own offering. YOU initiated an attack campaign. Don't try and edit anything, I have screenshots. And to your second lie, I didn't have to say anything to James. You have done enough damage in the public's eye. I suggest you privately take up your concerns with Jef before you further damage KPS.

@kyox
This has nothing to do with the cool kids (I hope we still don't have playground mentality). This is about the facts and there were clearly aspects to KPS that warranted its score. However, you will need to bring this up with the author (I personally have not looked into KPS) if you believe there are inaccuracies.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 01:30:26 pm »

No, you stated I was incompetent because I hired less people than you did, that I have questionable business practices, and that I was hiding dirty laundry which you would release in your report on KPS.

In short, you issued calculated, false statements to damage my reputation and harm my business.

When the report came out it mentioned none of this, but it said that I was a hard worker with an established business. With a 60 day ROI. And yet, and yet, we get a 1/5 long term rating.

Where is your credibility, and where is my apology?

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 12:13:32 am »

I too am interested in the 'dirty laundry' NXTinspect has found out about printshop.

In general I was disappointed with the NXTinspect reports. In the case of printshop, the report raised concerns that were a property of the AE such as over issuing of assets, which will, I hope, be corrected in a future release when asset holders can vote to release shares from an account. As for the mini IPOs to raise money, I see them as necessary and although it would be nice to have first refusal this is not a feature of the AE either.

I think the last sentence in the background 'Asset needs improved accounting practices'  should be in the negatives not the background.

I may have missed the point of the report which leads me to think we are loosing something important due to the brevity of the report and you guys are not backing up your ratings as a result. This may be because you plan to sell more extensive reports, but for now it leaves me with more questions than answers.

Its early days, so I am confident you will work out the amount of detail required  in the future.

It is good to see reports coming from both companies, keep up the good work :)
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 02:28:27 am »

Why can't you provide a picture of yourself when you have a picture on your ardeva profile? Are you saying this picture and the information provided is fake?

  -AHHH man... duuuude.. you guys aint gonna start asking for IDS? working on retina scans?  you're not bringing in proof of developer are you?  I'm not putting my real face here.. or on anything internet connected.  that's just retarded.
How bout I bleed my heart and soul in words.. have my actions speak for my character, and use technology to deal with the trust issue.. Throw all my loot at crypto and try and help the free man succeed in the neverending struggle for freedom.. Posting/sharing government issued ids, passports, phone bills... like where does it stop?  I should just go and play on the new york stock exchange if that's the case.

Why would anyone be required to post their face?  Kinda a personal choice.. like I DON't CARE leT the MAn TRack me!  I doNt got nothing to hidE!..  you know what that is? the willingness to give in to complete and utter corporate and fiat rule... You know lots of guys died for freedom eh.. man please tell me these inpection groups arent gonna start asking me for things that break the entire scope of what cryptography and decentralization is?


Honestly just about to throw down all i got in heart and soul and finance to benefit nxt and the ae along with my comm.. But I'm telling ya right now.  Ya aint gonna see my face and I aint gonna send it to you.. You'll have to meet me in person for that pleasure.  Else this whole thing is going to end in rothschild owned hell and terminator schwarzeneggers charging us nxt to survive cuz we forgot our passport on the way to the decentralized marketplace.  Cmon Mr. Whale! Im sure you didnt mean that, you kids just girl fighting.

I aint siding with anyone.. but there is no place in cryptos for forceful disclosure of personal information.. thought we just all went with this with mr. meanie.

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This has nothing to do with the cool kids (I hope we still don't have playground mentality). This is about the facts and there were clearly aspects to KPS that warranted its score. However, you will need to bring this up with the author (I personally have not looked into KPS) if you believe there are inaccuracies.


  Lol you aint a cool kid? Damn straights I have a playground mentality. That's why Im a cool kid.  But nonetheless think a star system on the dashboard of a reporting system ive used everyday forever.. after removing useful data from the dashboard.. is like a playground.. yes. Suppose I should like the stars then.. but I didnt get no stars when I was a kid, because I was always smarter then my teachers and they hated me.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2014, 02:47:17 am »

No, you stated I was incompetent because I hired less people than you did, that I have questionable business practices, and that I was hiding dirty laundry which you would release in your report on KPS.

In short, you issued calculated, false statements to damage my reputation and harm my business.

When the report came out it mentioned none of this, but it said that I was a hard worker with an established business. With a 60 day ROI. And yet, and yet, we get a 1/5 long term rating.

Where is your credibility, and where is my apology?

DuDE!  Stop being a weiner.. Here.  I apologize for Mr. Whale and his friends for bullying you.  There..

Now go start inspecting cuz you're strangely addicted to it and actually really good at it..

In my opinion businesses shouldnt be started by asking for money. They should already be functioning before shares are released. I dunno about the 99 percent thing?  meh.. dont even respond I don't care. smells like a can of rotten worms.. er rotten .. cryptos? HA! who knows at this point and its over.

Ya can't blame them for starting an inspection business seemingly to spite them and then the merry round go round and you puky and want an apology.  This is cryptos not grade 5.  Do something about it man.

 ya got stop whining and start working on something. Fer fockers sakes.  What is wrong with all you kids in this playground full of stickie stars and crying for apologies and picys of each others faces to throw darts at.. Get yer shitt together people and start working on something.  put on a suit.. make it nice.. then rip a sleeve off and put on a halloween mask and remember why were here.. or wait.. where am I?  I forgot my id and don't have a picture of me.. sorry guys.. guess I can't pay yall with this mean ol halloween mask on and this ripped coat..

Maybe.. just maybe? Can you guys remove the freakin inspections from nxt reporting? This is getting stupid.  Like get a webpage or something.  I don't want to have to start my own reporting site for nxt.  I really loved. and pumped the hell out of nxtreporting, -  like my morning coffee thing.  Now my coffee is filling of tears.  man tears.

How bout this.  Ill pay you both for your services, and I will provide detailed reports on them and note the differences.  You guys can do reports on the same things, and I can be really informed and go back to enjoying my coffee in the morning with nxt reporting.  Ill click the lil sticky starts, and read the reports, and without defying any pre-release rules and such, I can post the differences.  Then one day.  Everyone can hold hands and go on the merry go round together.  We all get little sticky stars.. danny don't puky and mommy brings cookies.

 And then we can just be happy.  make a crapload of money.  And grow up.

Pm me price and ids, ill purchase your inspections.


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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 04:23:58 am »

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect. And you seem unaware that the trust issue extends far beyond such, into issuing copies of assets like Coinomat1 and nXtGenGHS.

You also lied about me and my company and what would be appearing in your report. You said that you had uncovered my "dirty laundry". You said I was incompetent, and that I had questionable business practices. These were comments made in a competitor's thread while he was trying to IPO. Your report did not contain any of this, but instead said that I was hardworking, competent, and so forth.

Is what I say true or untrue?

Why were my explanations ignored, and why did jefdiesel stop talking to me about my company when I offered to send him scans of receipts? I have reached out to you guys several times on all fronts, not just to help out because you have no idea what you're doing re: trust issues, but to make my own (non-competing) company KPS as open as it can be. The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job. In return I get 1/5 stars. There are really no words. A number of other people have commented on how biased your reviews have been. I warned you not to say things without having strong evidence to back it up and you went ahead and did it anyways.

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO. You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well. The truth is that it was not me who was trolling your threads, it was you who was trolling mine, and you need to face up to what you've done. Your investors, the people who gave you money to put this crap out, are going to be very sorry when your share price crashes. And it will, because no one is going to pay for inaccurate reports.

I will let Jef respond as he was the author of your report. Although I would openly like to get some facts straight.

You deliberately ignored my explanations on sale of shares, costing and our mini-IPO; which our investors have praised for it's transparency, and promoted as a model for other companies to adopt.

Who is 'we'? As far as I know, you are a sole operator who runs a printshop.

You yourselves retain a significant number of shares as company shares in NXTinspect.

If you demand prompt responses from us, you really need to stop over-exaggerating. We currently hold 25% of our assets for future funding. You hold 99% of your assets.

The only thing I have refused to give you is my photo ID, which you do not need to do your job.

Why can't you provide a picture of yourself when you have a picture on your ardeva profile? Are you saying this picture and the information provided is fake?

You are financially culpable for the poor turnout at the KNS IPO.

No. You should have listened to me when I said no one will buy your 'IPO'. I thought I made it pretty clear why no one would, yet you insisted that you knew better. I was only trying to help you.

You wilfully attempted to damage your competitor's reputation and you lied and used James to do so as well.

Actually, YOU created a thread about us on how we are supposedly incompetent instead of just making an ANN about your own offering. YOU initiated an attack campaign. Don't try and edit anything, I have screenshots. And to your second lie, I didn't have to say anything to James. You have done enough damage in the public's eye. I suggest you privately take up your concerns with Jef before you further damage KPS.

@kyox
This has nothing to do with the cool kids (I hope we still don't have playground mentality). This is about the facts and there were clearly aspects to KPS that warranted its score. However, you will need to bring this up with the author (I personally have not looked into KPS) if you believe there are inaccuracies.

HEY!  Thanks Mr. Whale!  The dashboard of nxtreporting now makes better sense! The star even matches the nxt halo color! Sweet.  Oh coffee is going to taste so much better now.
http://www.nxtreporting.com/

So what you inspectors think?  Ill pay ya 750 nxt each to inspect Nemstakes. Ill start a thread and post the differences and similarities!
Maybe ya'll not so different after all? A dual inspection on Nemstakes would be a gooder!  Lemme know. The nxt is waiting.   ;D
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 04:40:51 am »

I too am interested in the 'dirty laundry' NXTinspect has found out about printshop.

It doesn't exist. Their report on me said I was an "Engaged Issuer, enthusiastic and hard working", that I was an "Experienced operator in defined niche market", and that my "Methodology and practices (are) well established".

The reason I asked for an apology is because if they don't issue one, they will lose a lot of credibility and we need a company like NXTinspect to operate honestly in this community.

In the case of printshop, the report raised concerns that were a property of the AE such as over issuing of assets, which will, I hope, be corrected in a future release when asset holders can vote to release shares from an account. As for the mini IPOs to raise money, I see them as necessary and although it would be nice to have first refusal this is not a feature of the AE either.

Now you see why their report was so damaging. Investors, esp. investors who have not followed my thread, may have been permanently turned off from investing in KPS because they only read what NXTinspect said about my company. Both of these issues are non-issues, which are explanied in my thread.

It is important to understand. NXTinspect with-held information that I gave them from their report. Their report is inaccurate.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 06:15:28 am »

EDIT: The following was posted as a separate thread as an official KNS company statement, and was edited and moved into this thread by whale. I guess we have our response?
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There is a small town in the midwest with exactly 2 barbershops, one on each side of town. The barbershop on the west side of town is pristine. Its floors are spotless, the windows are always perfectly clear, and the air always smells fresh. The barber has a friendly smile, shined shoes, a well-groomed head of hair, and a fancy shirt. The barbershop on the east side of town is a mess. Its floors and windows are dirty, and the air smells of garbage. The barber always has a grimace on his face. His skin is oily, his hair is short and ragged, and he has food on his clothes all the time.

A man travelling through the town realizes he needs a haircut. Knowing the stories of the two barbers, the man decides to go to the dirty barbershop on the east side of town. Why does he do this?

This famous riddle made me realize I need to release NXTinspect from being bound against doing a KNS review since we are their competitor.

One of us has to extend a hand to the other and I'll do that now. First, I offer NXTinspect Editor priveledges on our wiki, so that they can help out the community by increasing the information there and helping us make sure everything is accurate. I've invited chanc3r to do this in PM, he's responded favorably, but I am sure he will need to discuss it with the rest of the NXTinspect team too.

Beyond that, I encourage NXTinspect to do a review of KNS, and to help with that I will bar KNS from ever stating or insinuating that there is a conflict of interest because they are a competitor. I will also bar KNS from any sort of response to the review except to point out if the information disagrees with previously posted, publicly available company updates appearing on our sub-forum or in our discussion thread on the Assets forum.

FWIW I believe that it's possible that we can work together in many ways, like on the wiki, or to create a "standard" set of principles to review companies, a baseline, so that customers know what they're paying for in advance. So that we can do a better job of making the NXT AE a safer place to invest.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2014, 09:01:44 am »

Thank you printshop.

I've remained largely silent until now on this topic.
I'm going to ignore the who said what/claims on both sides of this situation...
It is simply wrong that initiatives such as these come into conflict in this community
Usually this is because people come into conflict and this has happened between the NXTinspect and KNS teams and I agree it needs to stop.

I actually don't see NXTinspect and KNS as total competitors, there is some overlap in the approaches but it is not total and in places can be complimentary and there is plenty of space to operate.
This has always been my view and many of you have seen me express this in other forums and threads, people in this community don't need to fight with each other - there are plenty of hostiles outside of NXT to focus on.

I have no objection as printshop has implied to being involved in the KNS site, how and when we can to this will be based on our / my workload at the moment to be honest...
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2014, 09:54:27 am »

Sorry printshop. At times I find that you are overly frivolous on creating new threads. In the NXTinspect subsection I prefer to ensure users are presented with relevant information that relates to NXTinspect.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 10:12:21 am »

This seems to have got lost in the discussion:
I think the last sentence in the background 'Asset needs improved accounting practices'  should be in the negatives not the background.

Does NXTinspect disagree?

Edit: or was it an unintended addition.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2014, 10:36:06 am »

This seems to have got lost in the discussion:
I think the last sentence in the background 'Asset needs improved accounting practices'  should be in the negatives not the background.

Does NXTinspect disagree?

Edit: or was it an unintended addition.

Only Jeff will be able to comment on that. Right now we're greatly improving our report formula so asset issuers and investors can clearly see the composition of their score. I'm also going to create sections for each asset (to encourage open discussion) and submission forms for asset updates.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2014, 02:15:53 pm »

This seems to have got lost in the discussion:
I think the last sentence in the background 'Asset needs improved accounting practices'  should be in the negatives not the background.

Does NXTinspect disagree?

Edit: or was it an unintended addition.

Only Jeff will be able to comment on that. Right now we're greatly improving our report formula so asset issuers and investors can clearly see the composition of their score. I'm also going to create sections for each asset (to encourage open discussion) and submission forms for asset updates.

Great, looking forward to it :)
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 04:01:16 pm »

YES!!!!! ;D


  Now that's a good cup of coffee.   I'm thrilled you guys will work together even on the smallest possibility of actual polar cohesion. .  That's what is needed for proper evaluation.  If this works out... nxt ae will be light years ahead of any market place that could come into existence.

  Mr. Whale all that missing that everyone is complaining about in the condensed star rating system is dividend payouts.   Yas got short yas got long, where's the dividend star rating? Noticed complaints on multiple threads.

    Great work inspectors.  What a happy day.  ;D

   




   
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