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Promotion of AE
« on: April 08, 2014, 09:26:41 am »

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Every new release to the mainnet will be very important from now on.

I vote for calling a clear release date/deadline so we can use; nxtcountdown.com

We can invite/inspire more new users with this method. But also educate them with a little text/video or redirect them to other NXT websites to keep nxtcountdown.com clean.

15 May for Asset Exchange for example.

I would like that, too.

Yeah! That's Basic marketing! We need this!

All we need is to agree on a release date. How can we manage this? With our new forum?

Releasing Asset Exchange is getting closer every day so we are losing valuable time to create a great launch.

We could not only promote the AE, but also the client of Wesleyh which is becoming the standard soon.

A lot of new users will be interested.

So. How can we manage this?
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 09:48:55 am »

No interest?

Alright. Fine. Let's NOT promote it. Let's just wait and see what happens like always.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 09:51:46 am »

We will have to wait at least until block 150,000 which is when fractional numbers are allowed (NQT). So you can count how long it still is towards AE. Not sure if AE will be released at that time though!
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 10:27:08 am »

No interest?

Alright. Fine. Let's NOT promote it. Let's just wait and see what happens like always.

My position on this has always been: "If you give us the info, we will promote it."

Seeing this info is not forthcoming and no one either knows or cares to volunteer the info, we cannot effectively market it.

So be it. It is extremely frustrating, I know. But the bottom line is that the info is now not available, so we cannot do it.

The only thing we can do is be prepared for the day it goes live and jump on it then.

We have called out numerous times for roadmaps, information, whatever, but either it's just not possible, or the development team doesn't take the marketing part seriously enough to honor our requests.

I am going on record here that any comment about "the marketing team should get it's act together" will be met with a referral to this post.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 10:30:35 am »

The only thing we can do is be prepared for the day it goes live and jump on it then.


At least you are prepared for it?
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 10:34:54 am »

The only thing we can do is be prepared for the day it goes live and jump on it then.


At least you are prepared for it?

True. It's the nature of how these kinds of projects evolve that it's not always possible to even give this info, so we should just be prepared to go when needed.

However, on the other hand, info is sometimes available on not given. That is both irritating and frustrating, as afterwards wé tend to get the blame. If that is the case, I refuse to take the blame for it anymore. Hence my last sentence in the message above.

"Prepared" does not mean "we have a site and info package" ready, by the way, as this info also is not clear. In response to people asking us to market the AE to companies, I have already said that at the current level of vagueness I myself am not willing to go to any real company to market it, as that will be bad for Nxt and for my own reputation. Once it is there and it's clear what the use cases are, we can go out and get real companies involved. Not sooner.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 10:39:20 am »

We will have to wait at least until block 150,000 which is when fractional numbers are allowed (NQT).

What does that mean? Is it part of Nxt that it allows NQT from block 150k on or is it a deadline set by the programmers?

1 Block every minute? ~40k Blocks remaining = ~27 days until NQT starts?
Do i interpret this right?

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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 11:04:26 am »

This is an arbitrary number and is subject to change in a later release. The smooth transition to NQT (without a blockchain reset) still needs to be tested on test net first.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2014, 11:07:43 am »

This is an arbitrary number and is subject to change in a later release. The smooth transition to NQT (without a blockchain reset) still needs to be tested on test net first.

Jean Luc, is there a way for us to make it more easy to communicate about the various features and what their status is?
I could do this by proxy (l8orre for instance) but it would be enormously helpful if we even can get a "dunno, but in x weeks we will know".

Now the only thing we can say is "no idea really" or go hunt all over the forums for info which is inefficient to say the least :)

Could you give some idea on what might be workeable?
I'd prefer a direct line to you (as you probably have the most overview).
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2014, 11:56:08 am »

This is an arbitrary number and is subject to change in a later release. The smooth transition to NQT (without a blockchain reset) still needs to be tested on test net first.

Jean Luc, is there a way for us to make it more easy to communicate about the various features and what their status is?
I could do this by proxy (l8orre for instance) but it would be enormously helpful if we even can get a "dunno, but in x weeks we will know".

Now the only thing we can say is "no idea really" or go hunt all over the forums for info which is inefficient to say the least :)

Could you give some idea on what might be workeable?
I'd prefer a direct line to you (as you probably have the most overview).

Damelon,

We don't need much. Just a link what AE is. (Salsacz posted a link yesterday which describes well what it is).

A video what NXT is (we've already got that too)

A website where you can download the client of Wesleyh. Got that too.

The only thing we need is clearity. And a direct contact with JL may help.

We already got a website; nxtcountdown.com

This is done so we can do simple promotion at Twitter and Facebook. We cannot aim at big companies right now. That's too early.

BUT... We have to start somewhere.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 11:59:24 am »

And we can do the same with every new release (Transparen Forging, Multigateway, Secret Project etc.). So that everyone get's exited each time.

Like people are standing in the line at the Apple store.

The news can spread like snowballeffect and we will get many new users.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 12:09:13 pm »

And we can do the same with every new release (Transparen Forging, Multigateway, Secret Project etc.). So that everyone get's exited each time.

Like people are standing in the line at the Apple store.

The news can spread like snowballeffect and we will get many new users.

Sorry, that's just wishful thinking.

Advocating about features that are not yet released, and even don't have a release date set yet, will hurt the credibility of the project.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 12:12:19 pm »

It is not bad in an early stage when people learn to "discover" the advanced features of such a project.

As it comes more handy, more people will use and advertise it

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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 12:44:47 pm »

And we can do the same with every new release (Transparen Forging, Multigateway, Secret Project etc.). So that everyone get's exited each time.

Like people are standing in the line at the Apple store.

The news can spread like snowballeffect and we will get many new users.

Sorry, that's just wishful thinking.

Advocating about features that are not yet released, and even don't have a release date set yet, will hurt the credibility of the project.

You completely missed the point.

I am saying we should do this WHEN we have a releaseDATE. Otherwise I agree with you.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 01:02:00 pm »

You completely missed the point.

I am saying we should do this WHEN we have a releaseDATE. Otherwise I agree with you.

Yes, I misunderstood the "every new release" you said to mean every new release of NRS, not a release of a feature.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 01:28:56 pm »

This is an arbitrary number and is subject to change in a later release. The smooth transition to NQT (without a blockchain reset) still needs to be tested on test net first.

Jean Luc, is there a way for us to make it more easy to communicate about the various features and what their status is?
I could do this by proxy (l8orre for instance) but it would be enormously helpful if we even can get a "dunno, but in x weeks we will know".

Now the only thing we can say is "no idea really" or go hunt all over the forums for info which is inefficient to say the least :)

Could you give some idea on what might be workeable?
I'd prefer a direct line to you (as you probably have the most overview).

Damelon,

We don't need much. Just a link what AE is. (Salsacz posted a link yesterday which describes well what it is).

A video what NXT is (we've already got that too)

A website where you can download the client of Wesleyh. Got that too.

The only thing we need is clearity. And a direct contact with JL may help.

We already got a website; nxtcountdown.com

This is done so we can do simple promotion at Twitter and Facebook. We cannot aim at big companies right now. That's too early.

BUT... We have to start somewhere.

Sorry, but I've been trying to do this for a while now, and for every story "AE will do this" there is another story "AE will not do this, but thát"

The bottom line is: we dón't know what Nxt is. We dón't know what the AE will or will not be. And we dón't have clarity.

I give you the challenge: Explain to me, from a business or consumer perspective, what Nxt ís. And not just in general terms, but what it ís.
Also explain to me what the AE can do. Will there be shares? How is this legal? Can I issue shares? At what price? Who garantuees me that the issuing price will stay the same? Who decides this? The community? Who ís this community? By vote you say? How does this work?

Etc. etc. etc.

Also: wesley's client is nót finished. And it cannot be because he cannot finish it with this information.

You want something that a) is not possible at this time and b) will just create expectations of marketing that marketing people cannot meet.

Sorry to be harsh in this, but we do not have information that will be useful to the general public. All we have now is things in development with no set specifications.
We are getting there, but things are still so fluid that aiming to release specs will only create frustration and hurt.

We are far too obsessed with being "first to market" when it's obvious that at this point we would be "first to market" with a half finished product.
I'd rather be third to market with something solid.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 01:46:09 pm »

I'm not obsessed to be first actually.

My wish was to reach more people by this method so they can learn about NXT as a whole.

Because when people see "Asset Exchange is coming now" there will be two kinds of reaction IMHO.

1. From the people who are well known in the crypto world. They will ask critical questions. But when they ask questions WE can think about what we just created.

2. New people. They will look into what NXT is all about. They will be excited about NXT and many will join the community.

If I look back of how I entered the community. I looked very hard on Google and other websites to find something new and innovative projects.

So I was actually aiming for people at category 2 to make the community stronger.

And another aspect why I wanted to let this happen is;

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You have to put yourself in their shoes to understand. My guess is that as the price goes up, the distribution will happen. However with flat prices, there wont be much distribution.

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When we promote it. There will be more price spikes and the stakeholders can sell their stake more often.
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 01:57:59 pm »

I'm not obsessed to be first actually.

My wish was to reach more people by this method so they can learn about NXT as a whole.

Because when people see "Asset Exchange is coming now" there will be two kinds of reaction IMHO.

1. From the people who are well known in the crypto world. They will ask critical questions. But when they ask questions WE can think about what we just created.

2. New people. They will look into what NXT is all about. They will be excited about NXT and many will join the community.

If I look back of how I entered the community. I looked very hard on Google and other websites to find something new and innovative projects.

So I was actually aiming for people at category 2 to make the community stronger.

I am in no way bashing your good intentions.
However, I would ask you to try and answer question 2 yourself *in a way you know that is completely factual, with no reference to features that may or may not be implemented*.

The best way to market Nxt to new people looking to make a contribution in my view is to show it as an open system that is still in a stage of development where loads of things are not set in stone and possible. That is actually the complete opposite as advertising it with features that are specced ;)
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Re: Promotion of AE
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2014, 06:35:40 pm »

Once the AE is launched, will there be some tutorials/description of how you can use it, what it can do etc?

I would like to present these features on my Homepage as examples of "What can i do with nxt?"

Is that already in preparation or should i get more informed myself to be able to write such a guide myself quick?
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