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I have been working furiously and learning through obstacles to bring a decentralized POC poker game to life..This I will make updates to this thread between now and then.
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I have been looking forward for this!
Please give us some info as soon as you can!
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I am looking forward for a poker tournament with grand prize 1 million nxt  :P
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me too  8)

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Screenshot? :)
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The UI is being designed and specifically themed for nxt as we speak...i don't think screenshots mean anything anyway..a playable demo goes a long way..which is the logic I have been working on...screenshots within 10 days
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mark,Seems like a good project
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Holy shit. My tweet about this Poker game is Retweeted 87 times!

Thats the most Retweets I've got since I'm running Twitter.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 01:51:09 pm by Fatih87SK »
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Holy shit. My tweet about this Poker game is Retweeted 87 times!

Thats the most Retweets I've got since I'm running Twitter.

I am even scared to tweet about it. This thing is too big, i prefer to first see it. I guess the first releases would be very user-unfriendly, so i just wait to see it (quite excited though :P)

Don't push this yet guys please..I prefer to have something out first
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Re: Finally Nxt-based decentralized pokergame info anouncement ETA 2 weeks
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2014, 02:10:27 pm »

Ok. I will delete it.
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Re: Finally Nxt-based decentralized pokergame info anouncement ETA 2 weeks
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2014, 04:23:43 pm »

Quick question and help from a branding perspective: Which is more intuitive and makes more sense to the non technical layman poker player?

"Global Decentralized Fair Hold'm"

 or

"Fair Decentralized Peer to Peer Hold'm"

or

"Global Peer to Peer Fair Hold'm"
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 08:41:41 pm »

Quick question and help from a branding perspective: Which is more intuitive and makes more sense to the non technical layman poker player?

"Global Decentralized Fair Hold'm"

 or

"Fair Decentralized Peer to Peer Hold'm"

or

"Global Peer to Peer Fair Hold'm"

"Decentralized poker" seems enough to me, it will catch the attention and make them read just a bit more(no random generators controlled by a couple of ppl).
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 08:48:36 pm »

Do you have any statistical data about expected rake according to VPIP and rake structure? I guess it's  too early for such calculations but i may help when time comes.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2014, 05:21:51 am »

Quick question and help from a branding perspective: Which is more intuitive and makes more sense to the non technical layman poker player?

"Global Decentralized Fair Hold'm"

 or

"Fair Decentralized Peer to Peer Hold'm"

or

"Global Peer to Peer Fair Hold'm"

"Decentralized poker" seems enough to me, it will catch the attention and make them read just a bit more(no random generators controlled by a couple of ppl).

The dilemma from a marketing and education perspective is that I don't think most understand the implications decentralized applications until it is broken down to layman terms...crypto enthusiast and tech oriented kind of live in a bubble where these words are thrown around arbitrarily and understood.

Do you have any statistical data about expected rake according to VPIP and rake structure? I guess it's  too early for such calculations but i may help when time comes.

No. but I do general comparative market data on revenues...If you can provide this data or help in this area it would definitely add to the case for the competitive edge for this project
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2014, 03:06:13 pm »


Do you have any statistical data about expected rake according to VPIP and rake structure? I guess it's  too early for such calculations but i may help when time comes.

No. but I do general comparative market data on revenues...If you can provide this data or help in this area it would definitely add to the case for the competitive edge for this project

I can do that. I would have to wait for the announcement though. The analysis of rake generation depends on the logic you apply for the application. I guess micro stakes wouldn't be an option but at some level(the lower the better) the rake would be equal to the rake in centralised applications. Any higher level then that would be much more cheaper in a decentralised application, i guess. I would try it as soon as there is a release. It would be good to know the price of trasparently fair poker.
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Re: Finally Nxt-based decentralized pokergame info anouncement ETA 2 weeks
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2014, 07:53:03 am »

The UI is being designed and specifically themed for nxt as we speak...i don't think screenshots mean anything anyway..a playable demo goes a long way..which is the logic I have been working on...screenshots within 10 days

PokerShibes.com is a good one to model after, in terms of UI.  Good luck!  Can't wait.
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2014, 03:06:42 pm »


Do you have any statistical data about expected rake according to VPIP and rake structure? I guess it's  too early for such calculations but i may help when time comes.

No. but I do general comparative market data on revenues...If you can provide this data or help in this area it would definitely add to the case for the competitive edge for this project

I can do that. I would have to wait for the announcement though. The analysis of rake generation depends on the logic you apply for the application. I guess micro stakes wouldn't be an option but at some level(the lower the better) the rake would be equal to the rake in centralised applications. Any higher level then that would be much more cheaper in a decentralised application, i guess. I would try it as soon as there is a release. It would be good to know the price of trasparently fair poker.

Yes lets work before we crawl..The first version will not have the consensus mechanism and all the "mental-like" poker schemes just yet..even though its already designed..I just want to crank out a basic p2p demo first..cfb's monetary system might come in handy for chip issuance and destruction in production..would need to build custom AT for account payouts and all the other automated stuff..If someone can get CIYAM to provide AT support for Javascript coders!!! thats all I am saying for now
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2014, 03:10:54 pm »

The UI is being designed and specifically themed for nxt as we speak...i don't think screenshots mean anything anyway..a playable demo goes a long way..which is the logic I have been working on...screenshots within 10 days

PokerShibes.com is a good one to model after, in terms of UI.  Good luck!  Can't wait.

PokerShibes.com looks good but it is inferior UX is really my thing...I will tease:



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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2014, 03:26:54 pm »

The UI is being designed and specifically themed for nxt as we speak...i don't think screenshots mean anything anyway..a playable demo goes a long way..which is the logic I have been working on...screenshots within 10 days

PokerShibes.com is a good one to model after, in terms of UI.  Good luck!  Can't wait.

PokerShibes.com looks good but it is inferior UX is really my thing...I will tease:




Dude, this looks fantastic. This is exactly what a poker UI should look like - anything worse is not good enough.

Maybe this could be the "killer app".
« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 03:39:53 pm by BitcoinForumator »
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2014, 03:45:38 pm »

That looks fantastic :) Can you give some more details about the technical side of this? Does everything happen on the blockchain or do you keep certain things off (peer to peer)? What is the speed of this?
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2014, 04:08:30 pm »

The UI is being designed and specifically themed for nxt as we speak...i don't think screenshots mean anything anyway..a playable demo goes a long way..which is the logic I have been working on...screenshots within 10 days

PokerShibes.com is a good one to model after, in terms of UI.  Good luck!  Can't wait.

PokerShibes.com looks good but it is inferior UX is really my thing...I will tease:




Dude, this looks fantastic. This is exactly what a poker UI should look like - anything worse is not good enough.

Maybe this could be the "killer app".

Thanks..the various AT's use cases will be the killer apps..ie AT lotto IMO



That looks fantastic :) Can you give some more details about the technical side of this? Does everything happen on the blockchain or do you keep certain things off (peer to peer)? What is the speed of this?

Blazing fast, if you blink you might miss something...it has its own consensus mechanism only using the nxt chain and AT for proof, storage, rakes, account settlement and potentially cfb's monetary system (will be easier less work for chip issuance/account settlement)..For now ill just try to get out a demo..Ill provide technical specs then
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2014, 04:20:35 pm »

Are you going to deliver just Holdem? Omaha and other games as well?
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2014, 07:13:47 pm »

That looks awesome!   I am looking forward to play it!
what  will we bet in the game: NXT, some asset coin or fiat money?
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2014, 11:27:26 pm »

Hey! I was thinking about how to prevent cheating (because somebody may create a lot of accounts and play against one man with unfair advantage). I came up with interesting ideas. Do you have a solution for that issue?

p.s.     the teaser u posted is awesome. I imagined something far more simple and i didn't think you have even bothered with that yet.
p.s. 2  can't imagine it will be fast. I thought we would have to wait 1 minute per street(i.e. flop,turn,river). Incredible!
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2014, 12:16:43 am »

How can I invest in this project?


And lulz at the reception to your 2p2 post. The subject matter is too serious for all the tards lurking around in NVG anyways.
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2014, 06:17:07 am »

Are you going to deliver just Holdem? Omaha and other games as well?

Texas holdem is the basic and most popular which we are starting with..there is a possibility that support for omaha as well as as other will be added in the future.

That looks awesome!   I am looking forward to play it!
what  will we bet in the game: NXT, some asset coin or fiat money?

Thanks..only nxt or nxt based sub coin


Hey! I was thinking about how to prevent cheating (because somebody may create a lot of accounts and play against one man with unfair advantage). I came up with interesting ideas. Do you have a solution for that issue?

p.s.     the teaser u posted is awesome. I imagined something far more simple and i didn't think you have even bothered with that yet.
p.s. 2  can't imagine it will be fast. I thought we would have to wait 1 minute per street(i.e. flop,turn,river). Incredible!

The only possible way to cheat is by collusion and that is solved by randomization and encrypted ip/mac address network peers logging. yes it is a desktop app so it will have access to mac addresses. So when starting a game, you do not know what table you re going to sit in before you play..Unless you rent a private table for friends or are invited to a private table by friends.

How can I invest in this project?


And lulz at the reception to your 2p2 post. The subject matter is too serious for all the tards lurking around in NVG anyways.

Patience...someone else is working on this

i did not post that..but yes indeed.


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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2014, 06:03:55 pm »

Wow!!  Is that a standalone or browser based.  Yea as far as comparing to a standalone, non browser based, PokerShibes sucks.  That looks better than the last time I played on Stars.  nice work!!!
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2014, 06:07:38 pm »

i know one multimillionaire guy who's dreaming about a decentralized poker game, this could be the one nr. one.
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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2014, 02:46:15 am »

The cryptographic proof of the cards not being rigged, or as most believe, primed for action (meaning cards are dealt randomly but afford for more clashing or monster hands  colliding) would be the holy grail of online poker.  <Homer Simpson drool>
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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2014, 11:48:44 am »

Wow!!  Is that a standalone or browser based.  Yea as far as comparing to a standalone, non browser based, PokerShibes sucks.  That looks better than the last time I played on Stars.  nice work!!!

Desktop based, Mac, windows, linux..I was developing from a user experience first...so took the best bits from zynga and stars designwise


The cryptographic proof of the cards not being rigged, or as most believe, primed for action (meaning cards are dealt randomly but afford for more clashing or monster hands  colliding) would be the holy grail of online poker.  <Homer Simpson drool>

this part is easy;)...the hard part is removing a centrally controlled server

i know one multimillionaire guy who's dreaming about a decentralized poker game, this could be the one nr. one.

you and the forumator might be right because there is also a big social element to poker. One very important thing though is to quickly cover ground with the competitive advantage in marketing..its easy for poker players to easily see the advantage over the likes of pokerstars which has about 25% of poker marketshare: ~1$ billion or more dollar annual revenue..don't know what the crypto currency barrier would mean to traditional poker players though..but then again they are used to jumping through hoops to fund accounts and very used to play money.
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Really great work @Ola - I'm sure the Nxt Community is looking forward to helping you promote this game (and others).... :)
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We sure are.

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Really great work @Ola - I'm sure the Nxt Community is looking forward to helping you promote this game (and others).... :)

thanks...will be nice also this would not be just limited to crypto enthusiast...should be competing with the likes of pokerstars given the unique competitive advantage and you know what that kind of marketing means
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All UI I elements/components are almost complete...Now starting the long process of integrating to build and polish User experience.
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I will definately follow this and try to test and help, and will make many professional online poker players try it.

What i see hard to solve is the collusion problem in p2p poker.Any thoughts of how would you handle that?If not it would never get huge,as it would be suicidal to play for money when people have freeway to do all kind of cheating.
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I will definately follow this and try to test and help, and will make many professional online poker players try it.

What i see hard to solve is the collusion problem in p2p poker.Any thoughts of how would you handle that?If not it would never get huge,as it would be suicidal to play for money when people have freeway to do all kind of cheating.

Its easy to solve issue of collusion by giving up some usability or convenience....the current solution is to randomize access to actual tables but give direct access to blinds categories/list... this is not perfect, but it works best when there are enough people on the network playing.

You can also rent private tables to play with friends, collusion is not a problem in this case unless you have really bad friends
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I will definately follow this and try to test and help, and will make many professional online poker players try it.

What i see hard to solve is the collusion problem in p2p poker.Any thoughts of how would you handle that?If not it would never get huge,as it would be suicidal to play for money when people have freeway to do all kind of cheating.

Its easy to solve issue of collusion by giving up some usability or convenience....the current solution is to randomize access to actual tables but give direct access to blinds categories/list... this is not perfect, but it works best when there are enough people on the network playing.

You can also rent private tables to play with friends, collusion is not a problem in this case unless you have really bad friends

Collusion detection at even the biggest poker sites is a complete joke. Like mentioned above, randomized access to tables at the same blind levels is probably the best you can do in a decentralized approach.

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How do you think anonymity and randomization will stop collusion at higher stakes? There are fewer players and fewer tables so the cheaters are very likely to end up at the same tables and they can communicate through IM. With no security team in place it will be impossible to stop.
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How do you think anonymity and randomization will stop collusion at higher stakes? There are fewer players and fewer tables so the cheaters are very likely to end up at the same tables and they can communicate through IM. With no security team in place it will be impossible to stop.

Collusion detection at known poker sites is much like the TSA, it's simply security theater. In a decentralized environment, it's virtually impossible. Here's what randomization does:

6 available tables at $100  n/l. You can't choose which table, simply the stake. The user is placed randomly at one of the tables. There would need to be a counter that prevents people from hopping tables for x amount of time. For private tables, like the poster mentioned above, you might need better friends if they are trying to cheat you.

Personally, I see Nxt poker a great opportunity to bring home games online (similar to poker stars). When it comes to high stakes (I play 2000 nl.. so the low end of high stakes), I stick to private games because of the real risk of collusion online. Even then, I'm cautious about playing in games with new faces. At higher levels, the pool is much smaller. You never eliminate it, your best bet it to mitigate.
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I understand what randomization does. It is pretty much what Bovada/Bodog is doing. And you're right, it doesn't stop collusion. But a security team does help. At least it prevents a collusion free-for-all. The better sites, like PokerStars, actually have very good security and collusion detection. It also helps that people can't withdraw money instantly if there are suspicions about their play. This provides some time to review things and confiscate stolen money if necessary. As far as those 6 tables of 100Nl. If I sit at all 6 tables, and my partner(s) also sit at all six tables then it doesn't matter how random the process is, the result is the same. This issue needs some serious discussion before you open this site to the public.
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There is a downside to anonymity that I forgot to mention. The players themselves have discovered many of the worst online poker cheaters by examining hand histories of the suspects. If everyone is anonymous then the players can't keep track of what the suspect is doing.
I agree about this being a nice way to bring home games online. Maybe that should be the main focus, i.e. "Poker with Friends' or some such.
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I play poker professionally online and am willing to be a beta tester or help with questions and concerns or whatever.
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I will definately follow this and try to test and help, and will make many professional online poker players try it.

What i see hard to solve is the collusion problem in p2p poker.Any thoughts of how would you handle that?If not it would never get huge,as it would be suicidal to play for money when people have freeway to do all kind of cheating.

You can also rent private tables to play with friends, collusion is not a problem in this case unless you have really bad friends

In theory, there is NO way to stop collusion.

(That is why in mathematics we do not analyze games with 3+ players: every mathematician knows there is no way to stop "coalitions" in such games)

Still, there IS a way to make games FAIR!  ;)

Simple: Just stick to HU tables!!  :D

I myself am professional poker player and I play a lot of HU cash. I am ready to play HU poker (mid stakes) even with someone like Ivey or Isildur, but NOT on PokerStars!

I definitely do not trust their RNG, nor do I trust their "anti-collusion" security measures.

PLEASE keep me involved with this project! GOOD LUCK!! 
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I understand what randomization does. It is pretty much what Bovada/Bodog is doing. And you're right, it doesn't stop collusion. But a security team does help. At least it prevents a collusion free-for-all. The better sites, like PokerStars, actually have very good security and collusion detection. It also helps that people can't withdraw money instantly if there are suspicions about their play. This provides some time to review things and confiscate stolen money if necessary. As far as those 6 tables of 100Nl. If I sit at all 6 tables, and my partner(s) also sit at all six tables then it doesn't matter how random the process is, the result is the same. This issue needs some serious discussion before you open this site to the public.

You can't completely eradicate collusion, but you damn sure can limit it...you also assume that you will be able to sit at "6 concurrent" tables..this is will not be possible. Like I said in this case some usability or convenience are sacrificed, for example, one beneficial inconvenience is: you are only allowed to one table at any given time also, there are identification mechanisms to limit sock accounts. again this is not full proof, but dramatically decreases the potential for successful collusion sessions.

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There is a downside to anonymity that I forgot to mention. The players themselves have discovered many of the worst online poker cheaters by examining hand histories of the suspects. If everyone is anonymous then the players can't keep track of what the suspect is doing.
I agree about this being a nice way to bring home games online. Maybe that should be the main focus, i.e. "Poker with Friends' or some such.

again you are assuming...there is no anonymity within the network..everyone is pseudonymous within the network...i rather you wait for the release and technical specs before any wild speculation and theories...but feel free to continue to forward valid cconcerns

I play poker professionally online and am willing to be a beta tester or help with questions and concerns or whatever.

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Start from heads up maybe?

HU and more, you can play only HU if you chose to
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Yup, you'll never eradicate... you can simply mitigate. On the Bovada 1000 nl  6 max, the tables are anonymous and yet we are still willing to play because it's still +ev for some of us.  If there is collusion, it hasn't cut into the profitability enough to make the larger players leave. Personally,  I prefer slightly bigger games. At 2000-5000 nl, I'll stick to private games or the 'big games' at the casino once or twice  amonth because the money really starts to matter (to me).

Like most sites, most of the games are at the small stakes like 50-200nl. I don't see a problem with a decentralized anonymous approach personally, but that's for the free market to decide. Good luck, I can't wait to see it rolled out.



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I understand what randomization does. It is pretty much what Bovada/Bodog is doing. And you're right, it doesn't stop collusion. But a security team does help. At least it prevents a collusion free-for-all. The better sites, like PokerStars, actually have very good security and collusion detection. It also helps that people can't withdraw money instantly if there are suspicions about their play. This provides some time to review things and confiscate stolen money if necessary. As far as those 6 tables of 100Nl. If I sit at all 6 tables, and my partner(s) also sit at all six tables then it doesn't matter how random the process is, the result is the same. This issue needs some serious discussion before you open this site to the public.


 
You can't completely eradicate collusion, but you damn sure can limit it...you also assume that you will be able to sit at "6 concurrent" tables..this is will not be possible. Like I said in this case some usability or convenience are sacrificed, for example, one beneficial inconvenience is: you are only allowed to one table at any given time also, there are identification mechanisms to limit sock accounts. again this is not full proof, but dramatically decreases the potential for successful collusion sessions.


 I've followed online poker closely for 6 years now. I've been playing online since 2008 and I've played millions of cumulative hands on at least a dozen sites. There is no market for a real money poker site that only lets you play one table at a time. I really think your time would be better spent on a sportsbook or a high quality online casino game experience. That's my opinion and I wish you luck no matter what you choose to do.
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I understand what randomization does. It is pretty much what Bovada/Bodog is doing. And you're right, it doesn't stop collusion. But a security team does help. At least it prevents a collusion free-for-all. The better sites, like PokerStars, actually have very good security and collusion detection. It also helps that people can't withdraw money instantly if there are suspicions about their play. This provides some time to review things and confiscate stolen money if necessary. As far as those 6 tables of 100Nl. If I sit at all 6 tables, and my partner(s) also sit at all six tables then it doesn't matter how random the process is, the result is the same. This issue needs some serious discussion before you open this site to the public.


 
You can't completely eradicate collusion, but you damn sure can limit it...you also assume that you will be able to sit at "6 concurrent" tables..this is will not be possible. Like I said in this case some usability or convenience are sacrificed, for example, one beneficial inconvenience is: you are only allowed to one table at any given time also, there are identification mechanisms to limit sock accounts. again this is not full proof, but dramatically decreases the potential for successful collusion sessions.


 I've followed online poker closely for 6 years now. I've been playing online since 2008 and I've played millions of cumulative hands on at least a dozen sites. There is no market for a real money poker site that only lets you play one table at a time. I really think your time would be better spent on a sportsbook or a high quality online casino game experience. That's my opinion and I wish you luck no matter what you choose to do.

Opinions are a dime a dozen, everyone is entitled to theirs..I have been a long time poker player also more than 10 years off and on..and I have seen no evidence to suggest that this little inconvenience would be a deal breaker for millions of poker players who can actually confirm provably fair conditions....also this is a new experiment, creating a new paradigm which might disrupt the old...too early to tell how it will be received

-This bigger question is since real money poker players are used to jumping through hoops with payments to fund games, will this same conditioning translate to using NXT as a means of play and if more are will, how easy is it going to be to grasp and immediately see the benefits. There are a lot of marketing / educational problems to be solved.

You are more than welcome to go build the "sportsbook or a high quality online casino game experience" rather than advising me to change course, that way the nxt community would have way more options..Anything other than taking the initiative to do so is just wasted typing and an incredible waste of time. More constructive or beneficial ideas to this current project would be appreciated.I would like to see what you come up with  ;)

really looking forward to this. looks promising
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what about ETA?

I got sidetracked with other developments related to this project, there will be updates in the next couple of days...But I will release all That I have been working on by the 26th of may the latest, no matter how buggy.
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Looking forward to this, keep up the good work.

Never played online poker before, but would be interested in playing this
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Never played online poker before, but would be interested in playing this

HU stands for heads up.  It's the most fun form of poker.  I'll be happy to show you how it works.

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As discussed with Ola, I will take over the logistics and financial aspects of this project, managing and creating a complete DAC organization which is very much commumity-centric and also beneficial to the nxt community. Ola's involvement would be as a (possibly paid) developer and visionary product manager/ceo-like entity helping the project develop through rapid iteration.

I hereby anounce

Nxtdice Poker
Account    :    10690038163511375508
AccountRS    :    NXT-FXNN-4B7R-VJ9J-B7PQA

I am also anouncing the Nxtdice foundation pending the official board, I am seeking a committe of 5 or 7 indivduals who will act on behalf of the interest of shareholders, nxtdice devs, nxt cre devs, and solid marketing initiatives.

Individuals must:
-Be ruled by objectivity, of high moral, intergrity and highly reasonable ( zero tolerance for unethical behavior, for themselves and peers.)
-have a trustworthy track record
-Must  posses demonstrable relevant skills in areas of financial, technical or leadership skills that will benefit the growth of the DAC
-Commited

I am organising now so I might not respond right away. Pm if you think you are or know someone who fits the bill

More information is forth coming, I am very excited from what I have seen thus far. I think you will be too.
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As discussed with Ola, I will take over the logistics and financial aspects of this project, managing and creating a complete DAC organization which is very much commumity-centric and also beneficial to the nxt community. Ola's involvement would be as a (possibly paid) developer and visionary product manager/ceo-like entity helping the project develop through rapid iteration.

I hereby anounce

Nxtdice Poker
Account    :    10690038163511375508
AccountRS    :    NXT-FXNN-4B7R-VJ9J-B7PQA

I am also anouncing the Nxtdice foundation pending the official board, I am seeking a committe of 5 or 7 indivduals who will act on behalf of the interest of shareholders, nxtdice devs, nxt cre devs, and solid marketing initiatives.

Individuals must:
-Be ruled by objectivity, of high moral, intergrity and highly reasonable ( zero tolerance for unethical behavior, for themselves and peers.)
-have a trustworthy track record
-Must  posses demonstrable relevant skills in areas of financial, technical or leadership skills that will benefit the growth of the DAC
-Commited

I am organising now so I might not respond right away. Pm if you think you are or know someone who fits the bill

More information is forth coming, I am very excited from what I have seen thus far. I think you will be too.

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Why not just NXT Poker - The future of online poker? Nxtdice poker is too convoluted(is it dice or is it poker or is it dice poker? what's dice poker?) and detracts from it being a serious place to play poker.. There's huge potential here with decentralized poker and if executed and marketed properly i see no reason why it can't surpass Stars with it's numerous benefits...


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Why not just NXT Poker - The future of online poker? Nxtdice poker is too convoluted(is it dice or is it poker or is it dice poker? what's dice poker?) and detracts from it being a serious place to play poker.. There's huge potential here with decentralized poker and if executed and marketed properly i see no reason why it can't surpass Stars with it's numerous benefits...


just my 2cents from playing online for 8 years..
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Just call it "Nxt Poker".
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Why not just NXT Poker - The future of online poker? Nxtdice poker is too convoluted(is it dice or is it poker or is it dice poker? what's dice poker?) and detracts from it being a serious place to play poker.. There's huge potential here with decentralized poker and if executed and marketed properly i see no reason why it can't surpass Stars with it's numerous benefits...


just my 2cents from playing online for 8 years..
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Just call it "Nxt Poker".

Honesty "nxtpoker" would have been the succinct identity and brand for just the poker app. I wish you guys spoke up earlier before we decided as we are too far along now. I agree that nxtdice poker might be a little convoluted but it will make more sense from a branding perspective as time goes on. As discussed  with Stark (still developing), nxtdice is supposed to be the the umbrella brand under which a suit of applications are deployed...Nxtdice Poker is just the first..branding cues from zynga  and it zynga poker I don't think the ideas are far fetched.
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So looking forward :)
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Hi all :)
NXTdice&poker is very exciting for me :p

1 / I would prefer NXTpoker too :) If you want to beat pokerstars, its maybe not with NXTdice,
but NXTdice is just an asset maybe ?

2/ I dont understand, assets are already all sold or its not lauched yet ?

3/ I dont know if this question have been already asked :  any plan of rakeback for user ? (its a very powerfull marketing and fair distribution... right know rakeback of website like pokerstars are very very very bad and every user complain about this, but there is not alternative so... UNTIL NOW, you MUST have a good rakeback plan imo)


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Can we get an updated ETA since it obviously isn't "two weeks"? 

Also, I STRONGLY agree with the above comments that this should be named "nxtpoker" and NOT "nxtdice poker".  Especially if you haven't even launched it.

Everybody wants to preserve the fact/illusion that poker is a game of skill.  Tying poker to "dice" is the exact opposite of that.

Looking forward to being your biggest user.  See you at the tables.  Let's shuffle up and deal!
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I would also add that I’m not a fan of the new name, it would confuse me.

If I saw dice poker I would assume it was a variant of poker played with dice as well. Nxt Poker is a much more punchy and memorable title.
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I would also add that I’m not a fan of the new name, it would confuse me.

If I saw dice poker I would assume it was a variant of poker played with dice as well. Nxt Poker is a much more punchy and memorable title.

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Just simple Nxt poker
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Alright what can I say, it belongs to the token holders either way. I have been talking with Stark and he has been working to make some changes..I have to make a couple of changes also, but they are mainly dependent on designer, expect more delays between the 26th and 31th fingers crossed.


For now I will post the logo so you can decide on color comp through a poll since "nxtdice" is obsolete

Please use this thread from now on:   https://nxtforum.org/stark-industries-(nxtdice)
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A few things:

1) Will it be on AE? I will be interested in buying from the beginning if so
1.1) if so, when?

2) @POPPP: People playing this poker game will probably NOT be professionals. Therefore, I believe rakeback is kinda pointless ATM. Unless you have certain traffic and competitors, it doesn't make sense. First, I'd expect mainly people playing for fun. Secondly, rakeback is a way to mantain people playing. We need this first. I don't think we are trying to compite vs. PokerStars... Yet . At least (and probably) in the short-mid term.
2.2) Rakeback is money that was previously charged as rake. It's much better for the poker ecology to NOT charge this (I mean, to charge the smallest possible) because this way 'loosers' will loose less (even if they don't realise so, it actually happens). The less money taken away from the system, the more healthy it is. I can provide you a further/more developed example about this if you need it.


3) @Rickyjames: if people would know it's only about skill, noone would play it. People in casinos play it "because they can be lucky and win a pot with his J5s, happened once already". Skill only for pro's :)

4) How is it going to be descentralised? I mean... Info stored in the blockchain, cards and so on? I'm a bit lost here. Just can't imagine it.

5) I'd remove dice from the name but only because I don't like how it sounds. SOMETHING + Poker is fine :) And you are the first one, so choose the more suitable for you.

EDIT: And 6) any plans on betting here somehow??? I mean... Imagine you can bet on NBA matches on a platform here. Waw. That would be simply incredible, so much volume and movement. And people would (I think) prefer to do it here because of the low fees compared to any betting house.

Is it easy to say that I'm a poker player?:D
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this part is easy;)...the hard part is removing a centrally controlled server


No this part is definitely not easy to do properly. Plus there is no way to have a decentralized deck initialization. The best that could be acheived is widely accepted "Proof of honestly" and a relatively hard difficulty for manipulation.

Also guys we are putting money in this game. No source (at least the client source) means no participation on my end. I am not using a pre-compiled crypto-related binary to play poker. Wallet stealers are EVERYWHERE these days.

So yes this project is more ambitious than it looks. I am very interested to see how it goes.
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Hi all :)
NXTdice&poker is very exciting for me :p

1 / I would prefer NXTpoker too :) If you want to beat pokerstars, its maybe not with NXTdice,
but NXTdice is just an asset maybe ?

2/ I dont understand, assets are already all sold or its not lauched yet ?

3/ I dont know if this question have been already asked :  any plan of rakeback for user ? (its a very powerfull marketing and fair distribution... right know rakeback of website like pokerstars are very very very bad and every user complain about this, but there is not alternative so... UNTIL NOW, you MUST have a good rakeback plan imo)


thx :)

I Stark says he will launch the market when I release the client.

Rakebacks are planned they are the major tool to incentivize the gamification system and also play a part in affiliate marketing for exposure
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Can we get an updated ETA since it obviously isn't "two weeks"? 

Also, I STRONGLY agree with the above comments that this should be named "nxtpoker" and NOT "nxtdice poker".  Especially if you haven't even launched it.

Everybody wants to preserve the fact/illusion that poker is a game of skill.  Tying poker to "dice" is the exact opposite of that.

Looking forward to being your biggest user.  See you at the tables.  Let's shuffle up and deal!

done..also don't lose your hat  ;)
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I would also add that I’m not a fan of the new name, it would confuse me.

If I saw dice poker I would assume it was a variant of poker played with dice as well. Nxt Poker is a much more punchy and memorable title.

done and being adressed
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this part is easy;)...the hard part is removing a centrally controlled server


No this part is definitely not easy to do properly. Plus there is no way to have a decentralized deck initialization. The best that could be acheived is widely accepted "Proof of honestly" and a relatively hard difficulty for manipulation.

Also guys we are putting money in this game. No source (at least the client source) means no participation on my end. I am not using a pre-compiled crypto-related binary to play poker. Wallet stealers are EVERYWHERE these days.

So yes this project is more ambitious than it looks. I am very interested to see how it goes.

you are on the path..call it "encrypted proof of honesty" its hard work and thinking but very feasible

you are free not to use the client, if thats what you are scared of...and you trust google chrome?
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A few things:

1) Will it be on AE? I will be interested in buying from the beginning if so
1.1) if so, when?


https://nxtforum.org/stark-industries-(nxtdice)/nxdice-nxtpoker-correction-reissuance-ip-assignment/

stark says he will release them, when I release the client






2) @POPPP: People playing this poker game will probably NOT be professionals. Therefore, I believe rakeback is kinda pointless ATM. Unless you have certain traffic and competitors, it doesn't make sense. First, I'd expect mainly people playing for fun. Secondly, rakeback is a way to mantain people playing. We need this first. I don't think we are trying to compite vs. PokerStars... Yet . At least (and probably) in the short-mid term.
2.2) Rakeback is money that was previously charged as rake. It's much better for the poker ecology to NOT charge this (I mean, to charge the smallest possible) because this way 'loosers' will loose less (even if they don't realise so, it actually happens). The less money taken away from the system, the more healthy it is. I can provide you a further/more developed example about this if you need it.


Rakeback is the marketing/gamification seed, Pokerstars and beyond are the targets

4) How is it going to be decentralized? I mean... Info stored in the blockchain, cards and so on? I'm a bit lost here. Just can't imagine it.


Imagine sitting around the table playing with your friends..in this case you take turns dealing and you use trust. Then imagine that instead of the turns and trust you are randomly selecting dealers and using cryptographic proofs and most of all the proofs are open and accessible to clients. In other words you can can prove what was dealt at some given time...

Only the proofs will be stored on the blockchain...the rest the data are stored locally and are verified in concensus


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