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Re: [NXT3D] The NXT Community 3D Virtual World
« Reply #140 on: February 08, 2016, 01:36:02 pm »

Hi again  :D
if only we have a presentable marketplace with images or sliders... you know even a stupid CMS shopping cart have images ... we can say "haaaa! nice but more than a simple currency we have a powerful substitute to kitely ..." pfff look like dreams...

Have a look at http://www.nxtfreemarket.com / https://freemarketlite.cc/ViewAll.html?setLng=en

It's not directly (or at all) connected to the Nxt Marketplace (DGS) because it was built earlier, using the Nxt AM system.
Still, the project is live, has img uploads, USD asset payment option alongside NXT payments, escrow system (in development), + more.

the all-in-one is the key and the strong point... i hope in the soon future this will be add to the bulit-in DGS

Interesting article.....might be good to talk to the hypergrid media, get some publicity for OutSL and Nxt there.

I'm still very much an outsider to the hypergrid world, but:  competition is good, and Gloebits doesn't have the advantage of being supported by a slightly more 'real world' crypto currency like Nxt, so let's keep on rocking.

How's the funding looking ?

we are in the green at the actual rates if i remove the windows server cost and use linux/mono instead  :D maybe the online boom this week  ;D

if only we have a presentable marketplace with images or sliders... you know even a stupid CMS shopping cart have images ... we can say "haaaa! nice but more than a simple currency we have a powerful substitute to kitely ..." pfff look like dreams...

Another possible option could be the NxtShop mentioned by Tosch110 at https://nxtforum.org/nxt-marketplace/url-www-interface/msg206026/#msg206026

It is a PHP Framework, where you just have to enter your NXT RS account (of the Item Seller) and the script will get all the details for you. So you setup the Marketplace Items within NXT. you need a domain, set the accountRS in the config and upload the files.

Then you can modify the html (with your images, texts) and have a finished webpage.

Have a look:

http://nxtpeers.com/nxtShop/

Download here: http://nxtpeers.com/examples.php

Maybe a NXT3D marketplace could be built around this template idea. Only a thought :)
yes i tested this one too  :D i will point links to it as merchand tool later... the marketplace is like this in 3D, the merchand have just to provide it's product IDs and images and the vendor will display it's store offers (images) and when clicked its send a call for the product data and render the returns in the chat, the buyer have just to copy/paste the transaction ID to recive its product into the virtual world... you will try it by yourself soon  :D

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« Reply #141 on: February 08, 2016, 01:43:42 pm »

Since it is possible to add a prunable message attachment to the digital goods listing transaction, this could be used to upload images, within the 42k limit. They would be pruned after 3 months, but now with archival nodes available and retrieve=true, expired images can be retrieved on demand. This is all client-side work only.
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« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2016, 02:08:31 pm »

Hi  :D
Since it is possible to add a prunable message attachment to the digital goods listing transaction, this could be used to upload images, within the 42k limit. They would be pruned after 3 months, but now with archival nodes available and retrieve=true, expired images can be retrieved on demand. This is all client-side work only.
a simple input in the offer edition modal where the merchand can copy/paste a simple image link that is displayed as miniatures in the merchand store and in biggest format in the offer modal is sufficient, maybe a mime verification or a sources filter (eg; accept only images from facebook, or tinypic... how have an antivirus...)

the kung-fu above (called zoulou language in the virtual worlds  ;D ) is difficult to understand even for me , what about a newcomer from the metaverse ?!?

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« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2016, 12:46:16 pm »

Hello World  :D
a server is available in the soyoustart panel, i will exchange the coins this night because i feel it bad regarding the rates and what i read in the forum about the 2.0...

if someone want to be refunded or have objections, please let me know today because there is no undo or playback after the exchange... if all is OK we will be online next 2 days  :D
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« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2016, 01:58:33 pm »

@OutSL...go for it, mate.
The NXT price is pretty healthy now, and the NXT 2.0 discussion is still in its very early stages, so there's plenty of time to work out the exact details of what 2.0 will bring. Don't start worrying yet.

I'm off to figure how to get FireStorm running.....
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« Reply #145 on: February 11, 2016, 09:04:45 pm »

Hello World  :D
sorry to tell you this but the things are in hold , i did not touched the funds or exchanged to fiat because i start to have serious doubt about the NXT future and its usability... like you know, this project is to promote the NXT and an experiment to stimulate an existing crypto-currency ecosystem with the virtual world technology and an existing virtual economy...

the needs of this virtual economy are simples, a currency with what we can pay for items and services, a marketplace where the creators can expose them works and make them available to all the metaverse users and a simple secured software to handle this 2 parts on all the actual NXT wallet... if i keep shapeshift and the plugins, all the rest can be fully removed...

by reading like you the 2.0 topic, i am sure that the majority of you start to have the same doubts as me regarding the NXT future... maybe the term NXT will mean other thing than that we know today in the 2.0 version era ... just a child chain... 2end role and badlands... economic drama... epsylon value coin... a dead road!

This set me in a dilemma and i suffer from a sort of crisis of conscience that prevents me from launching operations and project because i don't know what i will promote and i will not risk my reputation and my credibility in the metaverse as your trust on me and confidence by recommending something that have a great potential today (1.0) but that will have no value tomorrow (2.0)...

now i face 3 choices or solutions
1- easy and neutral way: I will refund each one and love&peace  ;D
2- the challenger way: clone NXT in its current state and try to create a version designed for the metaverse and its uses, it will be a completely independent coin from NXT with just the currency and the marketplace that merits that name... this exceeded my skills! if a Core-Dev wants to start this adventure... will be working more in the removal of unnecessary features or that will never be used than add new ones...
3- start the project even if we all know what is happening and what will happen (red flag  ??? )

@OutSL...go for it, mate.
...Don't start worrying yet.

I'm off to figure how to get FireStorm running.....
the fire is already in the home... where do you want me to go for  ;D ... i don't know i still F5ing and reading but look like a dead road with nothing and a lot of dramas in the future... is this what you or we want to present or promote to the metaverse ?

For firestorm, the major problems come from the graphic card drivers, maybe an update will fix all this... what is your OS and graphic card?

the work is in progress even with all this story  :D , i finished the sandbox (where you will learn 3D if this go online) and i am working in the mountain where the conferencing building will be... like i said many times above this is my hobby and its very fun than TV or others entertainments in addition to an personnal challenge  ;) i hope find help to clone NXT because will be very very very interesting financially talking...

please let me know what do you think about all this... if someone want to be refunded feel free to ask! happy that JL posted it's 2.0 topic before the project's lunch...

Thank you all and @++
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« Reply #146 on: February 11, 2016, 10:19:31 pm »

The NXT 2.0 proposal is simply that: a proposal. Nothing has really been decided yet.....and this is the way that NXT (and most other decentralised organisations) deal with change: endless heated discussion until we reach a consensus. And we will each a consensus, but that's probably going to be a long way down the line, and until that time: nothing will change with Nxt functionality.

There's also the little matter of finding enough dev time to code up Nxt 2.0, even to a TestNet stage.....we're probably looking at 6 months or more before we can even see how the Nxt 2.0 concept functions, and then there will probably be a few more discussions  ::)

I'm voting for option 3, anyway. Publish and be damned ! I'd like to see this happen.

Option 2 is also good with me, though slightly less  ;)

Anyway, good luck, OutSL.
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« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2016, 10:49:57 pm »

i have to disagree with dave.
if you are uncertain you should probably wait a bit and let the 2.0 design proposal sink in. if you can't come to terms with it in maybe a week you're better of dropping the whole thing.
i already see 2.0 happening very close to how it was proposed. the only thing that seems 'allowed' to be discussed is how to distribute fNXT.
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« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2016, 11:13:31 pm »

Which part of the 2.0 proposal interferes with NXT3D? There will always be proposals for changes in the NXT core and I don't see anything in the proposal that stops NXT being the currency used in NXT3D.
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« Reply #149 on: February 12, 2016, 12:01:13 am »

The NXT 2.0 proposal is simply that: a proposal. Nothing has really been decided yet.....and this is the way that NXT (and most other decentralised organisations) deal with change: endless heated discussion until we reach a consensus. And we will each a consensus, but that's probably going to be a long way down the line, and until that time: nothing will change with Nxt functionality.

There's also the little matter of finding enough dev time to code up Nxt 2.0, even to a TestNet stage.....we're probably looking at 6 months or more before we can even see how the Nxt 2.0 concept functions, and then there will probably be a few more discussions  ::)

I'm voting for option 3, anyway. Publish and be damned ! I'd like to see this happen.

Option 2 is also good with me, though slightly less  ;)

Anyway, good luck, OutSL.
i am more for the 2 (3 no problem) for many reasons...
- to avoid the others mistakes like nxtreporting or secureAE...

- remove the risks by removing the relative parts like the encrypted messaging... looks great but you can't tell me this " i am 1000% sure that there is any bit in the messages how are related with a criminal activity, money laundering or even terrorism"... maybe the next 9/11 plans and instructions are already in the blockchain...  :o
and puts all of us as accomplice in the other crimes...
if you want more coins for the forgers , just show the way to any criminal organization... don't need to fNXT or child chains for this  ;D

- "the dispersion is the enemy of the evolution" this one of the lessons that i learned from the others mistakes last 20 years in multiple area and business categories... just a simple example, if you implement 10 parts in a software, you have to work in the 10 parts to upgrade the code... but if you had only 2 part where you invest the same time and effort... what level of quality or optimization will be? do you think that the 10 parts software will be better ?
and this was just an example of the dispersion of the efforts... what about an ecosystem with millions $ as capitals dispersed between the AE and MS and the exchanges... can we even talk about an ecosystem? where is the commerce? the merchands? the soul of the economy that their activity is called ecosystem...  ???

the metaverse can bring this kind of economic dynamics but the NXT don't have the requiered quality level in the parts that may interest the metaverse users... and it's future is like dark clouds in the horizon

a cleaned clone with just a currency, an illustrated marketplace, shapeshift and the plugins parts for the add-ons will be perfect and i will be sure at 1000% that the project will not die next hard fork partouz  ;D

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« Reply #150 on: February 12, 2016, 06:36:32 am »

I agree with you on the uncertainty part, and I would also advise on option 2 or 3.
on the other hand, this is a very early brainstorming phase for Nxt, and Nxt2.0 is not going to happen for another year.

So if you go with Nxt1.7.5 now, I believe that you will still have the option (meaning: lots of time for adequate preparation) to make a clone of Nxt 1.7.5 and continue with that if  it turns out that Nxt2.0 will not be usable for the Metaverse.

I believe that you do not need to decide NOW, but that you will actually have the luxury of choice to either go with the clone variant or upgrade to Nxt2.0 if you are convinced that it is viable for the use case.

So in fact, you have options 2 AND 3 rolled in one, conditional on what is more suitable- I think that is a fairly convenient situation!
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« Reply #151 on: February 14, 2016, 09:45:47 am »

Hello World  :D

just an info point about the evolution of the things;
- the financial part is ready to open fire, i have exchanged the NXT and we got 636.58€ for ~89000 NXT. this money is now in my neteller account after the exchange in coinimal that i found very good service even them high prices and commissions... i sent a question to them support service and got an answer in 10 or 15 minutes in a WE!.
in addition i create a virtual credit card dedicated to the project, will be linked to OVH/soyoustart and serve to manage the project costs in it's own money channel.

the other good news is that by simulating a server purchase i discovred that we dont pay the setup fees for the rental per year  :D and this do ~50€ as economy!... this money will be invested to purchase high quality stuff for our headquarter  ;D

i will inform you about the exact remaining amount when i will complete the purchases... if someone of the residents or donator / sponsors want any kind of proof just ask! i did screenshots when i was working on this  ;)

now i am F5ing the server page  >:( ... this offer is maybe the best one in the world (performances/price), i am sure there is 100 persons as minimum F5ing the same page now  ;D

well well, about the clone, i contacted some devs that have worked on/with the opensim project outside the opensim dev team but the majority are a .NET devs and not java even if the 2 technologies are very similar... was not a good feedback even was interested...

still the freemarket guys if they want to help on this because i dont think that the NXT devs will do... if they add a secured webinterface, a currency to the freemarket software... will have more success and acceptance with the virtual worlds economy and usages than the NXT ecosystem...

is for this kind of thing i said many times before that is important to be online with a practical working proof... i am sure you will understand better when will try the things... maybe you will find better applications of this technology for your real world activity than me  ;D

the work is in progress...
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« Reply #152 on: February 14, 2016, 03:11:47 pm »

still the freemarket guys if they want to help on this because i dont think that the NXT devs will do... if they add a secured webinterface, a currency to the freemarket software... will have more success and acceptance with the virtual worlds economy and usages than the NXT ecosystem...
FreeMarket has a secured webinterface and supports currencies (NXTUSD at them moment). Feel free to visit https://freemarketlite.cc to check it.
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« Reply #153 on: February 14, 2016, 03:33:45 pm »

still the freemarket guys if they want to help on this because i dont think that the NXT devs will do... if they add a secured webinterface, a currency to the freemarket software... will have more success and acceptance with the virtual worlds economy and usages than the NXT ecosystem...
FreeMarket has a secured webinterface and supports currencies (NXTUSD at them moment). Feel free to visit https://freemarketlite.cc to check it.

i was waiting to buy the server and setup the things in the virtual world to contact and show you what we can do with  :D
the vendor that i have already made is perfect to display the products into the virtual world using your own images and data! you can develop a full sales organization with this simple vendor placing it in the other grids as a sort of interactive banner... linked to the relative products pages or merchand store...
do you have an API or something like... ?
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« Reply #154 on: February 14, 2016, 05:42:26 pm »

do you have an API or something like... ?
Yes FreeMarket has an API.
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« Reply #155 on: February 19, 2016, 08:54:22 pm »

Hello World  :D
finally the WE weekend  :D, sorry I was a bit (a loooot) busy with my job...

I just would like to inform you about the situation ... the OVH soyoustart plan is dead because they tried to do a kind of Ferengi kung fu with me  ;D... when a server was available and i started the purchase operations they redirect me to my country prices panel and this prices comparing with the french prices are:
(the full server price VAT included + setup fees) + local VAT   :o
when i continued the purchase operations i did not found the paypal or a CC button to pay with forcing me to pay with a bank account transfer or by check  ??? ...

I opened a support ticket to request information about the means of payment and at now i have not received a response (since monday!)... if this guys do this kung fu even before the purchase and no pre-sale support ?!? what will be the situation if i have technical problems later or any kind of problem?!? OVH & soyoustart

the plan B is this offer but find an available server is like winning the lottery  ;D
https://www.online.net/fr/serveur-dedie/dedibox-lt
at the end we will get a better server for the same price +/- (5€ margin)... i still F5ing this page, i hope i will get one this WE if available.

In our virtual world i did not big thing this week... i come home tired and too late to get into the edition... i will work on it this weekend too
we have to do a virtual meeting to talk about the last events in the NXT world. maybe our card will not be on this house of cards but in this one :
http://maidsafe.net/safecoin.html
https://safenetwork.wiki/en/Main_Page
https://forum.safenetwork.io/

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« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2016, 04:52:30 pm »

Hello World  :D

sorry for my absence this past week, my graphics card died and i was without a computer 4 or 5 days, I changed it last Friday and worked a bit on the project and tadaaaam!
https://nxt3d.net/step-by-step-guide

there is a sandbox and a lot of free stuff to get and practice with! don't hesitate ! all this is yours  :D
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« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2016, 07:57:22 pm »

tadaaaam!
https://nxt3d.net/step-by-step-guide
- thank you!

You are welcome  :D i am online if you need help or a guide... your lands are waiting  ;D
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« Reply #159 on: March 01, 2016, 11:57:35 pm »

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