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Why two different Account Numbers?
« on: June 13, 2014, 09:45:52 am »

The NXT client shows two different account ID's:
1) An alpha-numeric sequence at the top of the interface, beginning with  the letters "NXT"
2) An numeric sequence visible only after clicking "More info" in the blue "Account Balance" box at top left of interface.

Why two different account ID numbers?
What is the usage scenario of each of these account ID numbers?

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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 09:52:56 am »

They represent both the same "information". The NXT-... is the same as the ID but expressed in Reed Solomon format which among other things has these benefits:

1. It can handle up to 2 typos, not that you should purposefully type it wrong, but if you write one or two wrong digits, your funds will still go to the designated account. It is not infallible but it gives an additional layer of "confidence".
2. It is easier to read. A long string of numbers is not the easiest thing to read/digit, you leave a digit behind or type one wrong and your transaction goes to somebody else.

more info:
http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/RS_Address_Format
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 09:54:55 am by nCtrl »
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 09:55:41 am »

Why two different account ID numbers?

We are in a period of transition. Soon, most will only use Reed Solomon format.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 10:56:49 am »

Although I think it is great that we have the error correction it is a pity that a '-' was used as a separator as you can't just "double click" (or "touch and hold") on addresses for easy clipboard copy. :(

NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL

NXTxK4G2xFF32xWLL3xQBGEL

NXToK4G2oFF32oWLL3oQBGEL

As an example of what I mean ("double click" or "touch and hold" on the above).
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 11:53:39 am »

Why two different account ID numbers?

We are in a period of transition. Soon, most will only use Reed Solomon format.
Just when I got a nice short accountnumber: 8550792692  :( 

….but no problem. I wil go along with it. Do I have a choice?  ;)
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 12:25:47 pm »

When one is using the Reed Solomon account ID format, must one replicate the hyphens/dashes, or not?
Thanks to all for the helpful feedback.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 12:29:29 pm »

No, the hyphens are not enforced in the input.

Edit - That's in the software, as reported by the wiki - the current client UI does apparently require them
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 12:35:30 pm »

No, the hyphens are not enforced in the input if you type the addess manually.

Edit - That's in the software, as reported by the wiki - the current client UI does apparently require them

The hyphens are going to have every "touch computer" user *hate it* - not sure why that decision was made but I am sure it is going to be one that will be regretted (and so most likely it'll have to be changed *again* to get rid of the dashes).
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2014, 06:02:39 pm »

I have to say I agree why the - it looks like a CD-Key for a Game now Hahah :)
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 06:35:28 pm »

No, the hyphens are not enforced in the input if you type the addess manually.

Edit - That's in the software, as reported by the wiki - the current client UI does apparently require them

The hyphens are going to have every "touch computer" user *hate it* - not sure why that decision was made but I am sure it is going to be one that will be regretted (and so most likely it'll have to be changed *again* to get rid of the dashes).


get rid of the NXT at the front as well.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 06:44:34 pm »

No, the hyphens are not enforced in the input if you type the addess manually.

Edit - That's in the software, as reported by the wiki - the current client UI does apparently require them

The hyphens are going to have every "touch computer" user *hate it* - not sure why that decision was made but I am sure it is going to be one that will be regretted (and so most likely it'll have to be changed *again* to get rid of the dashes).

Isn't that really just a problem of the cleverness of the client software. An input field with a mask NXT-___-___-____ assigned or an input field which is clever enough to scan the input while the user types would make this a non-issue.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 01:57:49 am »

Isn't that really just a problem of the cleverness of the client software. An input field with a mask NXT-___-___-____ assigned or an input field which is clever enough to scan the input while the user types would make this a non-issue.

So are you going to use said "input field" in your forum sig?

(and teach everyone else how to do that?)

I don't think there is any need to try and "be so clever" - KISS.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2014, 09:58:56 am »

No, the hyphens are not enforced in the input if you type the addess manually.

Edit - That's in the software, as reported by the wiki - the current client UI does apparently require them

The hyphens are going to have every "touch computer" user *hate it* - not sure why that decision was made but I am sure it is going to be one that will be regretted (and so most likely it'll have to be changed *again* to get rid of the dashes).


get rid of the NXT at the front as well.
I don't agree, then it will look like nothing for me. The NXT in front will let people know what it is.

I think it's a matter of taste if you like the numbers of the Reed Solomon version.

EDIT: Another advantage of the RS-version is that you can easily tell someone you accountnumber so they can write it down. When it's a long number of digits you will get lost. RS is better and more userfriendly IMO.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 10:31:45 am »

EDIT: Another advantage of the RS-version is that you can easily tell someone you accountnumber so they can write it down. When it's a long number of digits you will get lost. RS is better and more userfriendly IMO.

How many times have you ever "read out a Bitcoin address to someone in full"?

I have yet to do that even once (and I've been using it since 2011). So IMO this is a "feature" that is simply *not needed* whereas I think "copy and paste" is actually very much needed most times that you are going to do a payment.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2014, 10:41:51 am »

EDIT: Another advantage of the RS-version is that you can easily tell someone you accountnumber so they can write it down. When it's a long number of digits you will get lost. RS is better and more userfriendly IMO.

How many times have you ever "read out a Bitcoin address to someone in full"?

I have yet to do that even once (and I've been using it since 2011). So IMO this is a "feature" that is simply *not needed* whereas I think "copy and paste" is actually very much needed most times that you are going to do a payment.

If I do a transaction for my grandmother, I would need to do. Because she stores the account ids on a piece of paper. ;)
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2014, 12:26:37 pm »

get rid of the NXT at the front as well.
That's important to distinguish it from other numbers. I think we already had a guy who entered an asset number instead of an account number, and lost some coins.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2014, 10:59:09 am »

RS format is much better, I think because it looks like a 'game' code it's more acceptable to an end user anyway. Also like NXT at the beginning for making it obvious what it is.

Never realised about the touch and hold thing though, as have always used a computer, but dashes look so much better than x's or o's. I will admit that it will take a few more seconds to copy and paste with mobile devices, but surely we can work around this with ease.

E.g. copy NXTK4G2FF32WLL3QBGEL and when pasted into any Nxt software automatically becomes NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2014, 11:29:22 am »

E.g. copy NXTK4G2FF32WLL3QBGEL and when pasted into any Nxt software automatically becomes NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL

The problem is "copy" not "paste". You simply cannot copy NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL with any ease at all on a touch device. I would recommend that you *try it* and see for yourself exactly how hard it is to move the start and end of the "selection" area with you fingers.

It's annoying enough on a normal computer that you can't just *double click* but at least with a mouse it isn't so hard to do the select - touch screens make that simple action about 10x harder (no kidding).
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2014, 11:47:34 am »

E.g. copy NXTK4G2FF32WLL3QBGEL and when pasted into any Nxt software automatically becomes NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL

The problem is "copy" not "paste". You simply cannot copy NXT-K4G2-FF32-WLL3-QBGEL with any ease at all on a touch device. I would recommend that you *try it* and see for yourself exactly how hard it is to move the start and end of the "selection" area with you fingers.

It's annoying enough on a normal computer that you can't just *double click* but at least with a mouse it isn't so hard to do the select - touch screens make that simple action about 10x harder (no kidding).

The thing to do is to use NXTK4G2FF32WLL3QBGEL as the number, but make it standard in clients to display the number with the non pastable dashes.

So as far as the double click copy and paste is concerned, it only sees the numbers. Not sure how difficult it would be to create an input text box such as the one I described (non pastable dashes) in css.
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Re: Why two different Account Numbers?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2014, 11:49:06 am »

The thing to do is to use NXTK4G2FF32WLL3QBGEL as the number, but make it standard in clients to display the number with the non pastable dashes.

Again - the issue is not *paste* but *copy* so non-pasteable dashes makes *zero sense* (perhaps you meant something else - "non-copyable"?).
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