Topic: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam? (Read 8115 times)

Pitti55 · « **on:** January 03, 2018, 05:03:21 pm »

I bought IGNIS during the ICO, but now I read there was a scam.
But I remember that I bought the Jelurida in the NXT client using the task 'IGNIS TOKEN SALE', which brought me to jelurida.com.
But all I have is an asset including JLRDA, which sounds like the scam.
I can't believe the scam happened in the client, because this would ruin the project (loss of trust), so I still hope that I'm not part of the scam.
And if I am, is there a chance to 'cancel' this asset and a least get the NXT back?

websioux · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2018, 05:24:30 pm »

JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.

Pitti55 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2018, 05:32:29 pm »

Quote from: websioux on January 03, 2018, 05:24:30 pm

JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.

Well my NXT are gone, so I must have bought s.th.

NXT-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P

DigitalLog · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2018, 06:25:53 pm »

Quote from: Pitti55 on January 03, 2018, 05:32:29 pm

Quote from: websioux on January 03, 2018, 05:24:30 pm
JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.

Well my NXT are gone, so I must have bought s.th.

NXT-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P

I used the Ardor Tools website to check your Ignis balance and it is available. I can't post to an external link, so do some googling and change your address to the Ardor version:
ARDOR-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P

From what I understand, some people are having a difficult time using the wallets/platforms as a UX design problem, or they are not able to properly set up their wallets which is a technical issue.

Cheers--

websioux · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2018, 06:41:35 pm »

Yes you got scammed and bought a meaningless asset. And several others did the same. Sorry for you.
You still have 502 Nxt available and thus also 251 Ignis on ardor wallet.

On 28/6 you correctly tried to participate to crowdsale and like many of us failed (due to limited quantity), so you only paid 1Nxt fee.

The day after NXT-EPTQ-TPMF-VPFT-6FK8R (scammer) sent you 2 of his JLRDA asset to get your attention

5 hours later you submitted a buy order for 2000 tokens of this asset againts 1100 Nxt (this is where you made your mistake) which got filled few days later.

The description of his asset starts with "Igins is the first child chain token of the Ardor platform. The IGINS token will be used for all functions currently implemented on top of Nxt." strangelly he used IGINS instead of IGNIS in the description, perhaps to remain legal..

This can not be reversed, this is a decentralized network with no master controller, you have his assets so he has your Nxt. The only thing that could be done would be to alert authorities to track him and potentially catch him. Unfortunately, authorities are not equipped for that. Trust no one, is rule no 1.

crypt2 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2018, 06:53:12 pm »

hello,

i have JRLDA in my account also but i never bought it...it just showed up one day. i never bought any so hopefully i am not affected by this scam too.

can you/someone tell if i have been negatively affected?

thanks
NXT-XP3P-4BVJ-XMUL-8NTDJ

Pitti55 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2018, 06:58:23 pm »

Quote from: websioux on January 03, 2018, 06:41:35 pm

Yes you got scammed and bought a meaningless asset. And several others did the same. Sorry for you.
You still have 502 Nxt available and thus also 251 Ignis on ardor wallet.

On 28/6 you correctly tried to participate to crowdsale and like many of us failed (due to limited quantity), so you only paid 1Nxt fee.

The day after NXT-EPTQ-TPMF-VPFT-6FK8R (scammer) sent you 2 of his JLRDA asset to get your attention

5 hours later you submitted a buy order for 2000 tokens of this asset againts 1100 Nxt (this is where you made your mistake) which got filled few days later.

The description of his asset starts with "Igins is the first child chain token of the Ardor platform. The IGINS token will be used for all functions currently implemented on top of Nxt." strangelly he used IGINS instead of IGNIS in the description, perhaps to remain legal..

This can not be reversed, this is a decentralized network with no master controller, you have his assets so he has your Nxt. The only thing that could be done would be to alert authorities to track him and potentially catch him. Unfortunately, authorities are not equipped for that. Trust no one, is rule no 1.

Thanks for your reply.
It wasn't much money as I bought NXT very low and 99% of my NXT are on exchanges.
Still I think s.th. like this shouldn't be possible.
It's easy to blame the scammer, but there will always be people like this.
The project team should have prevented this, so I blame them.
Also it's very weird that there was no warning. Why do I get this information 6 months later in a board?
I'm definitaly done with NXT. I will collect my profit which is still almost 900% and then I'm fine

Thank you guys for giving me the information I should have got 6 monhs ago.

P.S. Now I get why people on reddit and bitcointalk say NXT will be back at where it was and that current hype is only due to airdrop

websioux · « **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2018, 09:56:34 pm »

Every instruction was CLEARLY given, as well as warnings from the vollonteered community.
The scammer only catch a tiny percentage, most of it's target (99%) did not react.
He knows it, that's his way to hunt.

The only fight back is to make your story famous.

If you are not paranoid, you may fall anytime in this kind of trap again.
The youngest one should be teach, but in the end, nothing works best than learning from your hard loss and own mistakes. So you had a good intuition not to play with larger amount.

PS: be careful with crypto on exchange, they are in someone else wallet.

hob · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2018, 08:16:43 pm »

Quote from: Pitti55 on January 03, 2018, 06:58:23 pm

Also it's very weird that there was no warning. Why do I get this information 6 months later in a board?

There were warnings 6 months ago on these boards and more important it was always a big warning in https://www.jelurida.com/ico

Quote

FAKE TOKENS WARNING

It is possible that fake tokens with similar or the same name created by third parties also appear in other areas of the wallet such as the Asset Exchange or the Marketplace. Due to decentralized nature of the blockchain it is not possible to prevent the creation of such tokens and the Company shall not be held responsible for any losses or damages, or inability to receive IGNIS, arising from users purchasing such third party tokens.

SINCE JLRDA TOKENS ARE NOT TRADEABLE AND NOT TRANSFERABLE, ANY THIRD PARTIES TRYING TO SELL YOU JLRDA TOKENS ARE SELLING YOU FAKES!

It's up to you to actually read the information about the ICO you want to participate in.

Bekhouche · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2018, 11:54:35 pm »

Quote from: Pitti55 on January 03, 2018, 05:03:21 pm

I bought IGNIS during the ICO, but now I read there was a scam.
But I remember that I bought the Jelurida in the NXT client using the task 'IGNIS TOKEN SALE', which brought me to jelurida.com.
But all I have is an asset including JLRDA, which sounds like the scam.
I can't believe the scam happened in the client, because this would ruin the project (loss of trust), so I still hope that I'm not part of the scam.
And if I am, is there a chance to 'cancel' this asset and a least get the NXT back?

I had my ignis but lost all the NXT coins and i have no idea if my nxt wallet was compromised, the nxt coins were transfered to an unknown account all this happened few hours after the airdrop...and because im using a secured laptop and phone i keep guessing that the airdrop was just a mess..but i still have ignis

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hob · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2018, 04:22:05 pm »

Quote from: Bekhouche on January 04, 2018, 11:54:35 pm

I had my ignis but lost all the NXT coins and i have no idea if my nxt wallet was compromised, the nxt coins were transfered to an unknown account

Then it is likely that your NXT account's passphrase was easy to crack.

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and because im using a secured laptop and phone i keep guessing that the airdrop was just a mess..but i still have ignis

Unrelated to a secure laptop or not, if your Nxt/Ardor passphrase is too short then it can be cracked.
Elsewhere you wrote that you were able to create a new Ardor account and transfer your IGNIS, so at least on the Ardor account corresponding to your Nxt account the cracker was not quick enough. Hopefully your new Ardor account uses a good long passphrase.

yoladeng · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

cwalker · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am »

Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.

Right.Here · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2018, 02:49:02 am »

https://hackernoon.com/dealing-with-scammers-3201917e2ac3

may be the victims have to contact Jelurida...

yoladeng · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2018, 02:58:41 am »

Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am

Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.

thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account? Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

cwalker · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2018, 03:23:38 am »

Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 02:58:41 am

Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am
Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.

thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account? Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR. if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.

yoladeng · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2018, 03:25:56 am »

Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 03:23:38 am

Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 02:58:41 am
Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am
Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.

thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account? Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR. if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.

thank you very much, I am trying, but Ardor client can't connected. later will try again.

yoladeng · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2018, 01:36:20 am »

Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 03:23:38 am

Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 02:58:41 am
Quote from: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am
Quote from: yoladeng on January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.

thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account? Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR. if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.

I see my Ignis in wallet, thank you very much.

tonywin · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2018, 09:54:04 pm »

HO COMPRATO NXT E TENUTE FINO ALLA FINE DI DICEMBRE SU BITTREX< QUINDI< CREDO DI AVER DIRITTO ALLA META IN IGNIS < LA MIA DOMANDA E":
cosa devo fare per averle su bittrex?
1- stare fermo ed aspettare poiche' avviene in automatico
2- iscrivermi a nxt o ardor e fare delle azioni per richiederle
3- altra soluzione

grazie

robotron · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2018, 10:09:11 pm »

Quote from: tonywin on January 09, 2018, 09:54:04 pm

HO COMPRATO NXT E TENUTE FINO ALLA FINE DI DICEMBRE SU BITTREX< QUINDI< CREDO DI AVER DIRITTO ALLA META IN IGNIS < LA MIA DOMANDA E":
cosa devo fare per averle su bittrex?
1- stare fermo ed aspettare poiche' avviene in automatico
2- iscrivermi a nxt o ardor e fare delle azioni per richiederle
3- altra soluzione

grazie

Opzione 1 modificata: Chiedere a bittrex visto che i tuoi NXT li avevano loro

https://support.bittrex.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003571832-Statement-on-Ignis-IGNIS-airdrop-to-Nxt-NXT-holders

P.s.: Evita di postare la stessa domanda in tutti i "topic" e soprattutto cerca di riparare il tasto "Caps Lock" che mi si svegliano i bimbi che dormono! Se la lingua è Inglese non tutti capiscono l'Italiano e non gradiscono rispondere sempre agli stessi messaggi in una lingua che non capiscono!

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