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No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« on: January 03, 2018, 05:03:21 pm »

I bought IGNIS during the ICO, but now I read there was a scam.
But I remember that I bought the Jelurida in the NXT client using the task 'IGNIS TOKEN SALE', which brought me to jelurida.com.
But all I have is an asset including JLRDA, which sounds like the scam.
I can't believe the scam happened in the client, because this would ruin the project (loss of trust), so I still hope that I'm not part of the scam.
And if I am, is there a chance to 'cancel' this asset and a least get the NXT back?
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2018, 05:24:30 pm »

JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 05:32:29 pm »

JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.

Well my NXT are gone, so I must have bought s.th.

NXT-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 06:25:53 pm »

JLRDA ICO tokens never was an asset, it was a MS currency. That's why the "ignis token sale" page was developped. If you acted there, no problem, the worse could be that did not bought anything.

I also have JLRDA "assets" those where sent to me by some scammer. That doesn't mean I bought them. I ignored them.

If you had JLRDA MS currency, now with an Ardor client you'll have Ignis in your account.

Always best to give your account ID with these kind of story such that experienced people can have look to what you really did or not.

Well my NXT are gone, so I must have bought s.th.

NXT-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P

I used the Ardor Tools website to check your Ignis balance and it is available. I can't post to an external link, so do some googling and change your address to the Ardor version:
ARDOR-9V4Y-DNJL-299R-BX73P

From what I understand, some people are having a difficult time using the wallets/platforms as a UX design problem, or they are not able to properly set up their wallets which is a technical issue.

Cheers--
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 06:41:35 pm »

Yes you got scammed and bought a meaningless asset. And several others did the same. Sorry for you.
You still have 502 Nxt available and thus also 251 Ignis on ardor wallet.

On 28/6 you correctly tried to participate to crowdsale and like many of us failed (due to limited quantity), so you only paid 1Nxt fee.

The day after NXT-EPTQ-TPMF-VPFT-6FK8R (scammer) sent you 2 of his JLRDA asset to get your attention

5 hours later you submitted a buy order for 2000 tokens of this asset againts 1100 Nxt (this is where you made your mistake) which got filled few days later.

The description of his asset starts with "Igins is the first child chain token of the Ardor platform. The IGINS token will be used for all functions currently implemented on top of Nxt." strangelly he used IGINS instead of IGNIS in the description, perhaps to remain legal..

This can not be reversed, this is a decentralized network with no master controller, you have his assets so he has your Nxt. The only thing that could be done would be to alert authorities to track him and potentially catch him. Unfortunately, authorities are not equipped for that. Trust no one, is rule no 1.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 06:53:12 pm »

hello,

i have JRLDA in my account also but i never bought it...it just showed up one day. i never bought any so hopefully i am not affected by this scam too.

can you/someone tell if i have been negatively affected?

thanks
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 06:58:23 pm »

Yes you got scammed and bought a meaningless asset. And several others did the same. Sorry for you.
You still have 502 Nxt available and thus also 251 Ignis on ardor wallet.

On 28/6 you correctly tried to participate to crowdsale and like many of us failed (due to limited quantity), so you only paid 1Nxt fee.

The day after NXT-EPTQ-TPMF-VPFT-6FK8R (scammer) sent you 2 of his JLRDA asset to get your attention

5 hours later you submitted a buy order for 2000 tokens of this asset againts 1100 Nxt (this is where you made your mistake) which got filled few days later.

The description of his asset starts with "Igins is the first child chain token of the Ardor platform. The IGINS token will be used for all functions currently implemented on top of Nxt." strangelly he used IGINS instead of IGNIS in the description, perhaps to remain legal..

This can not be reversed, this is a decentralized network with no master controller, you have his assets so he has your Nxt. The only thing that could be done would be to alert authorities to track him and potentially catch him. Unfortunately, authorities are not equipped for that. Trust no one, is rule no 1.
Thanks for your reply.
It wasn't much money as I bought NXT very low and 99% of my NXT are on exchanges.
Still I think s.th. like this shouldn't be possible.
It's easy to blame the scammer, but there will always be people like this.
The project team should have prevented this, so I blame them.
Also it's very weird that there was no warning. Why do I get this information 6 months later in a board?
I'm definitaly done with NXT. I will collect my profit which is still almost 900% and then I'm fine :)
Thank you guys for giving me the information I should have got 6 monhs ago.

P.S. Now I get why people on reddit and bitcointalk say NXT will be back at where it was and that current hype is only due to airdrop
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 09:56:34 pm »

Every instruction was CLEARLY given, as well as warnings from the vollonteered community.
The scammer only catch a tiny percentage, most of it's target (99%) did not react.
He knows it, that's his way to hunt.

The only fight back is to make your story famous.

If you are not paranoid, you may fall anytime in this kind of trap again.
The youngest one should be teach, but in the end, nothing works best than learning from your hard loss and own mistakes. So you had a good intuition not to play with larger amount.

PS: be careful with crypto on exchange, they are in someone else wallet.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 08:16:43 pm »

Also it's very weird that there was no warning. Why do I get this information 6 months later in a board?
There were warnings 6 months ago on these boards and more important it was always a big warning in https://www.jelurida.com/ico
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FAKE TOKENS WARNING

It is possible that fake tokens with similar or the same name created by third parties also appear in other areas of the wallet such as the Asset Exchange or the Marketplace. Due to decentralized nature of the blockchain it is not possible to prevent the creation of such tokens and the Company shall not be held responsible for any losses or damages, or inability to receive IGNIS, arising from users purchasing such third party tokens.

SINCE JLRDA TOKENS ARE NOT TRADEABLE AND NOT TRANSFERABLE, ANY THIRD PARTIES TRYING TO SELL YOU JLRDA TOKENS ARE SELLING YOU FAKES!

It's up to you to actually read the information about the ICO you want to participate in.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 11:54:35 pm »

I bought IGNIS during the ICO, but now I read there was a scam.
But I remember that I bought the Jelurida in the NXT client using the task 'IGNIS TOKEN SALE', which brought me to jelurida.com.
But all I have is an asset including JLRDA, which sounds like the scam.
I can't believe the scam happened in the client, because this would ruin the project (loss of trust), so I still hope that I'm not part of the scam.
And if I am, is there a chance to 'cancel' this asset and a least get the NXT back?
I had my ignis but lost all the NXT coins and i have no idea if my nxt wallet was compromised, the nxt coins were transfered to an unknown account all this happened few hours after the airdrop...and because im using a secured laptop and phone i keep guessing that the airdrop was just a mess..but i still have ignis

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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 04:22:05 pm »

I had my ignis but lost all the NXT coins and i have no idea if my nxt wallet was compromised, the nxt coins were transfered to an unknown account
Then it is likely that your NXT account's passphrase was easy to crack.
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and because im using a secured laptop and phone i keep guessing that the airdrop was just a mess..but i still have ignis
Unrelated to a secure laptop or not, if your Nxt/Ardor passphrase is too short then it can be cracked.
Elsewhere you wrote that you were able to create a new Ardor account and transfer your IGNIS, so at least on the Ardor account corresponding to your Nxt account the cracker was not quick enough. Hopefully your new Ardor account uses a good long passphrase.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 01:58:47 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 02:45:40 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 02:49:02 am »

https://hackernoon.com/dealing-with-scammers-3201917e2ac3  ;D

may be the victims have to contact Jelurida...
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 02:58:41 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.


thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account?  Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 03:23:38 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.


thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account?  Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR.  if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 03:25:56 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.


thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account?  Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR.  if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.

thank you very much, I am trying, but Ardor client can't connected. later will try again.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 01:36:20 am »

Sir, I need help as well, similar situtation I bought Jelurida token, but till now I didn't get Ignis in my wallet. I did bought fake one, but the real one I bought from wallet Ignis notice. Here is my account, could you help to reivew and advise?
NXT-47ZS-SRDE-4YVB-36CZC.
And I didn't get ignis for those NXT in my wallet, which sit there from 2017 Sep.

You currently have 4,499.7320 Ignis in your wallet on the Ardor platform.


thanks a lot. How to get my Ardor address? it's same as NXT account?  Ardor wallet can't connect to serve now, so I can't check

just change the NXT to ARDOR.  if you download the Ardor Client and install you can access your coins.

I see my Ignis in wallet, thank you very much.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2018, 09:54:04 pm »

HO COMPRATO NXT E TENUTE FINO ALLA FINE DI DICEMBRE SU BITTREX< QUINDI< CREDO DI AVER DIRITTO ALLA META IN IGNIS < LA MIA DOMANDA E":
cosa devo fare per averle su bittrex?
1- stare fermo ed aspettare poiche' avviene in automatico
2- iscrivermi a nxt o ardor e fare delle azioni per richiederle
3- altra soluzione

grazie
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2018, 10:09:11 pm »

HO COMPRATO NXT E TENUTE FINO ALLA FINE DI DICEMBRE SU BITTREX< QUINDI< CREDO DI AVER DIRITTO ALLA META IN IGNIS < LA MIA DOMANDA E":
cosa devo fare per averle su bittrex?
1- stare fermo ed aspettare poiche' avviene in automatico
2- iscrivermi a nxt o ardor e fare delle azioni per richiederle
3- altra soluzione

grazie


Opzione 1 modificata: Chiedere a bittrex visto che i tuoi NXT li avevano loro  ;)
https://support.bittrex.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003571832-Statement-on-Ignis-IGNIS-airdrop-to-Nxt-NXT-holders


P.s.: Evita di postare la stessa domanda in tutti i "topic" e soprattutto cerca di riparare il tasto "Caps Lock" che mi si svegliano i bimbi che dormono! Se la lingua รจ Inglese non tutti capiscono l'Italiano e non gradiscono rispondere sempre agli stessi messaggi in una lingua che non capiscono!
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2018, 10:25:03 pm »

GRAZIE
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 09:16:36 am »

sure it's scam , probably one of the biggest at this moment !!!

Hello to all ,

today is the date of 1/12/18, we have not yet received the ignis coins which we deserved - i bought NXT on bittrex before the airdrop.
there is no response or message or any explanation from the NXT "organisation" , last announcent on your site id from 12/27/2017.

i bought 20,000$ nxt coins at price 1.4$ , following the company's declarations and promises.
Now I and all of the traders have lost minimum of 70% - 80% on our investment , significant amounts of money following your fraud airdrop , if it was fair I would not complain. but it is clear that the whole process is one big manipulation.

we - the traders - have lost from from the both sides, NXT price and the IGNIS price , and you are behaving like the dirtiest cheaters , you hurt yourself in the most difficult way and lost the trust of clients across the world .

we want your response as soon as possible, and we want what we deserve - ignis coins. You made the price reach $ 2 at its peak, traders bought the coins at that price, and the new ignis coin is trading at rediclose price, so everyone who made the "smart" airdrop , was demage from you very hard . classic scam , classic cheating, you're miserable.

shut up and don't tell us to go some other support , you are the place and one to to give us answers . you have to give answers right now, every moment that passes only stifles you more . millions of people around the world are waiting for their coins - and you can not even post on your site. It just shows how bad your situation is. maybe you are no longer there, and you are in the middle of an escape somewhere. 
you are on the way to collapse...
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2018, 12:25:33 pm »

All owners of an NXT account (with NXT balance on it) have already received their airdrop on the corresponding ARDOR account on the new platform as Ignis.
So, if you don't own an NXT account with NXT balance the same is for the corresponding Ardor account.
Asks who own the key of the NXT account that contains the NXT balance you purchased to give you access to the corresponding Ignis that they have already received.
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Re: No IGNIS yet, mistake or scam?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 09:06:58 pm »

To ramion:

I have already seen you write aggressive messages and now you're moving on to scam accusations and insults. First of all, a warning: if you keep posting insults and spreading FUD like this, you will be banned for violation of the Nxtforum rules and registration agreement.

And second, let's see if we can make some points clear, for good:

1) As robotron posted above, all the Nxt/Ardor accounts in the network received at launch (January 1) their coins from the airdrop. All of them, including the accounts controlled by exchanges like Bittrex. This means Bittrex has your IGNIS, if you were holding NXT in Bittrex at the snapshot time, December 28.
2) When and how Bittrex distributes the IGNIS they have to their users is THEIR responsibility. It is NOT the responsibility of the Nxt/Ardor developers, or the Nxt/Ardor community. So your insults and aggressivity are also completely misdirected.
3) We know from Bittrex that they acknowledge their delay in activating ARDR/IGNIS trading and distributing coins to their users, and that they are working on it. The delays have apparently been caused also by factors that have nothing to do with the Ardor network, such as recent issues with Ethereum blockchain, and upgrades due to the massive CPU bugs that were reported last week. But once again: It is up to THEM when to enable their service. Not in our hands or the Ardor developers hands. Actually, the Ardor developers are pressing daily and have answered during the first week of January all answers and requirements made by Bittrex. I honestly think that Jelurida has been doing everything reasonable to help.

So I suggest you to stop attacking the developers and the community at large, and if you need someone to be upset with, be upset with Bittrex. If you're unable to understand this, maybe you should learn a bit more about cryptocurrency platforms and how they work before investing any money in any of them.
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