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my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« on: April 29, 2014, 06:25:23 am »

I sent 164 nxt to my account ID 2647103905368413871.
I saw 164 as balance in the wallet.

But when I started nxt wallet again my ID is now 1042813726686690818 and account balance 0.
What is this???

I using the latest version 1.0.0.0
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 06:28:31 am »

You entered a different password.  Make sure you enter the password you used when you initially opened your account

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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2014, 06:40:33 am »

I entered the exact password because i copy paste it.
yesterday was id 2647103905368413871. Today morning too.
After I sent 164 nxt. I saw it there. I closed wallet and when I open again id is now 1042813726686690818.
I used exact same password.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 06:52:05 am »

You had to have entered a different password.  Are you sure that you didn't accidentally enter a space or make something capitalized?  Do you have num or caps lock on?

If you can't retrieve your 164 NXT, I'll replace it for you.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 07:24:07 am »

I entered the exact password because i copy paste it.
yesterday was id 2647103905368413871. Today morning too.
After I sent 164 nxt. I saw it there. I closed wallet and when I open again id is now 1042813726686690818.
I used exact same password.

Even if you copy pasted, your password can get modified by your text editor. Spaces, Line breaks, or special symbols can cause trouble...

The same password always generates the same account number, so your password has been modified in some way.

Trying to help you!
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 07:28:12 am »

I entered the exact password because i copy paste it.
yesterday was id 2647103905368413871. Today morning too.
After I sent 164 nxt. I saw it there. I closed wallet and when I open again id is now 1042813726686690818.
I used exact same password.

Even if you copy pasted, your password can get modified by your text editor. Spaces, Line breaks, or special symbols can cause trouble...

The same password always generates the same account number, so your password has been modified in some way.

Trying to help you!

Try to type your password instead of copy/paste.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 07:37:30 am »

I entered the exact password because i copy paste it.
yesterday was id 2647103905368413871. Today morning too.
After I sent 164 nxt. I saw it there. I closed wallet and when I open again id is now 1042813726686690818.
I used exact same password.

Maybe there was extra space at the end of string when you did copy & paste?

What client do you use?  I use Lastpass browser plugin, so that I don't have to do copy and paste.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 08:39:25 am »

From the blockchain your Nxt are still there, you simply entered the wrong password
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2647103905368413871
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 09:42:04 am »

well something is very wrong. I have the passphrase in notepad. No spaces before or after. Nothing else there.
I restarted computer, I run the wallet again, pasted the phrase and now another new ID 14871229496297256889.
If someone want to try the phrase is:
sting point snap catch ignore bag sunlight despair flip chain water son
Let me know what ID you will get.


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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 09:50:24 am »

14871229496297256889
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2014, 09:51:27 am »

well something is very wrong. I have the passphrase in notepad. No spaces before or after. Nothing else there.
I restarted computer, I run the wallet again, pasted the phrase and now another new ID 14871229496297256889.
If someone want to try the phrase is:
sting point snap catch ignore bag sunlight despair flip chain water son
Let me know what ID you will get.

Just to let you know, I opened your account with 164NXT in it. PM'ed you the real password. Check this out, create new account and transfer your NXT to the new one. Be carefull with copy pasting your password.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 09:55:09 am »

well something is very wrong. I have the passphrase in notepad. No spaces before or after. Nothing else there.
I restarted computer, I run the wallet again, pasted the phrase and now another new ID 14871229496297256889.
If someone want to try the phrase is:
sting point snap catch ignore bag sunlight despair flip chain water son
Let me know what ID you will get.

Just to let you know, I opened your account with 164NXT in it. PM'ed you the real password. Check this out, create new account and transfer your NXT to the new one. Be carefull with copy pasting your password.

Haha, yeah, got it now too  ;D
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014, 10:05:46 am »

Thanks. I opened new ID, I transfered funds. And this time I typed password manually. So it's solved. thx.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2014, 10:08:17 am »

So there's two extra spaces at the front?

Did you create your own password or did you use the new password generator in 1.0.0?

Which browser and version do you use?
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2014, 10:10:11 am »

Thanks. I opened new ID, I transfered funds. And this time I typed password manually. So it's solved. thx.

So, now, when you moved your coins, just to inform, it was two spaces in your password begining. As I see, it is usual problem when password is copy-pasted from notepad.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2014, 10:22:58 am »

Notepad has a nasty habit of adding invisible characters.

Another FAQ?  ::)
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2014, 10:25:36 am »

Notepad has a nasty habit of adding invisible characters.

Another FAQ?  ::)

I don't think it was Notepad problem. Two spaces in front of password could be another reason (first copy paste to notepad or password generating bug in client).
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2014, 10:36:55 am »

Notepad has a nasty habit of adding invisible characters.

Another FAQ?  ::)

I don't think it was Notepad problem. Two spaces in front of password could be another reason (first copy paste to notepad or password generating bug in client).

Well, the client logs you in automatically after generating the password and you typing it again. If he then copied the typed password to notepad and added the extra spaces or notepad, then this is a user fault.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2014, 10:46:31 am »

Notepad has a nasty habit of adding invisible characters.

Another FAQ?  ::)

I don't think it was Notepad problem. Two spaces in front of password could be another reason (first copy paste to notepad or password generating bug in client).

Well, the client logs you in automatically after generating the password and you typing it again. If he then copied the typed password to notepad and added the extra spaces or notepad, then this is a user fault.

Wesleyh, it was only my considerations about this extra spaces problem. But I think it is worth additional checking of password generation bug or not  ;)
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 11:54:32 am »

I seriously recommend using KeePass http://keepass.info/ for managing your nxt account passphrases!

You can paste your passphrases into your nrs and it even has anti-keylogging features.
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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 05:52:08 pm »

This was definitely a user error if there are two extra spaces. There is no way it has anything to do with client bug as he did it correctly the first time when password was generated and he transferred funds to it. It's not even a notepad problem. He obviously saved the password incorrectly.

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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2014, 09:02:34 pm »

sorry, but it must be notepad/windows7/chrome/nxt client bug ... something of this.
How is possible when I just copy paste from notepad I always got other ID.
Now I type the password manually and it's working good.
But it's crazy to type 35 letters and to even remember it.
Now I use no spaces. In the the notepad there were NO TWO spaces before the passphrase.

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2014, 09:18:44 pm »

But it's crazy to type 35 letters and to even remember it..

Just as I suggested, use Lastpass browser plugin

https://lastpass.com/

It saves and encrypts all your passwords locally with a master password  (nothing unencrypted is sent to lastpass server).   It's pretty secure.

You don't have to type your password 





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Re: my nxt ID changed without reason - funds gone
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 09:19:12 pm »

sorry, but it must be notepad/windows7/chrome/nxt client bug ... something of this.

We now for a fact that the Nxt client has no bug that inserts spaces in the password field.

I've been using Windows 7 + Chrome (and Ubuntu, and Debian, and Firefox, and Opera...) with the Nxt software for months same as a lot of people and there's no related bugs.

So in your list, Notepad looks a little guilty :)

I second the recommendation by CryptKeeper to use http://keepass.info to store (and generate) passwords securely. You won't have to type a password manually again.

Edit: or what Eadeqa said.
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