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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #240 on: August 17, 2014, 12:35:03 am »


...

Hence the fourth solution is the only rational choice, plus it is backwards compatible with any of the other solutions

Why are you concerned with backwards compatibility, anyway?  ;)
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #241 on: August 17, 2014, 12:35:21 am »

IF the community pressures BTER to negotiate, there will be an active campaign against NXT for tolerating and supporting thief and dirty scumbags of this world. NXT will be done for.

If the community pressures BTER to negotiate?

How does rejecting a hard fork of a functioning ecosystem based on the security flaws of an exchange equate to pressuring Bter to negotiate?

Bter is responsible for the negotiations thus far and this thread was started by one of their employees.

Everyone wants a resolution to this that makes bter users whole and keeps the existing chain intact so that Nxt can thrive as it aught to.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #242 on: August 17, 2014, 12:36:10 am »

Hi Sparta_Cuss, I owe you an email to get NAOP rolling again.  This weekend, I promise. 
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #243 on: August 17, 2014, 12:36:55 am »

Hi Sparta_Cuss, I owe you an email to get NAOP rolling again.  This weekend, I promise.

I think we're all a bit busy right now.  :)  No worries, and no rush.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #244 on: August 17, 2014, 12:37:08 am »

Match Results:
1.2.5: 94 - 13 :1.2.5f
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #245 on: August 17, 2014, 12:38:21 am »

2 and 3

A deal was already made and he broke it.  There should be no more negotiations IMO. 

This.  One thousand times.

I'm sorry this is my first post on the forum, but I'm not much of a talker.  I do know that thesir is a liar.  If he gets some BTC he'll demand more.  We've already seen that.  I don't think a fork is the best option, but I also don't believe NXT will die.  It will stumble, true.  But it will go forward.  I hate a thief, and I'm not down for giving him any more money.

He's made the mistake of thinking he has more power than he really does.  Let's not let him totally control the situation.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #246 on: August 17, 2014, 12:38:27 am »


Everyone wants a resolution to this that makes bter users whole and keeps the existing chain intact so that Nxt can thrive as it aught to.

Yes.  Do not loose sight of this goal.  Nor do we want Bter destroyed.

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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #247 on: August 17, 2014, 12:40:09 am »

Guys, I'm back at home and it's already too late so I cannot follow all the new posts.
Can someone please let me know what happened in the last 24 hours?

When I left, BTER asked for no rollback: Why would BTER actually want no rollback anyway? Are they really so idealistic that they don't want to hurt NXT ecosystem even if it means their bankrupt?
Was it BTER who sent the additional 90+BTC to the thiefs account without receiving the remaining 45M NXT? If so, why haven't they continue with 10BTC for 5M NXT?
Are some people (around half of the community) still against any kind of hardfork/rollback/blacklist?
I see a new version of "f"; do most people agree on this one?


Thank you in advance and sorry for my laziness but it's already 03:39 and I can hardly keep my eyes open :-)
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #248 on: August 17, 2014, 12:41:37 am »

IF the community pressures BTER to negotiate, there will be an active campaign against NXT for tolerating and supporting thief and dirty scumbags of this world. NXT will be done for.

If the community pressures BTER to negotiate?

How does rejecting a hard fork of a functioning ecosystem based on the security flaws of an exchange equate to pressuring Bter to negotiate?

Bter is responsible for the negotiations thus far and this thread was started by one of their employees.

Everyone wants a resolution to this that makes bter users whole and keeps the existing chain intact so that Nxt can thrive as it aught to.

It is not about BTER or its lack of security. They will have to pay dearly anyway. It is about the community's response to the thief's demand or a general response to these type of behaviors. I don't approve a community that tolerating and supporting thief and ransom for the ideological sake. Many will agree with me.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #249 on: August 17, 2014, 12:43:45 am »

how to run the 1.2.5.f version on mac?

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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #250 on: August 17, 2014, 12:44:47 am »

Guys, I'm back at home and it's already too late so I cannot follow all the new posts.
Can someone please let me know what happened in the last 24 hours?

When I left, BTER asked for no rollback: Why would BTER actually want no rollback anyway? Are they really so idealistic that they don't want to hurt NXT ecosystem even if it means their bankrupt?
Was it BTER who sent the additional 90+BTC to the thiefs account without receiving the remaining 45M NXT? If so, why haven't they continue with 10BTC for 5M NXT?
Are some people (around half of the community) still against any kind of hardfork/rollback/blacklist?
I see a new version of "f"; do most people agree on this one?


Thank you in advance and sorry for my laziness but it's already 03:39 and I can hardly keep my eyes open :-)
My advice would be to go to bed....like i'm going to do.

Yes, BTER send the 90 BTC without waiting for thief to return anything.
BTER now big fans of rollback/re-org, but I'm pretty sure it won't happen.
Looks like 10-15% for re-org (1.2.5f NRS) and 85-90% for the main chain (1.2.5 and older)
http://www.peerexplorer.com/

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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #251 on: August 17, 2014, 12:46:28 am »


My advice would be to go to bed....like i'm going to do.

Yes, BTER send the 90 BTC without waiting for thief to return anything.
BTER now big fans of rollback/re-org, but I'm pretty sure it won't happen.
Looks like 10-15% for re-org (1.2.5f NRS) and 85-90% for the main chain (1.2.5 and older)
http://www.peerexplorer.com/


Thanks mate.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #252 on: August 17, 2014, 12:46:40 am »

how to run the 1.2.5.f version on mac?
Also how do i get this running on the mac client, new to macs.

1. Download the client's .zip
2. Fire up Terminal.app then cd to your NXT client folder, e.g. cd ~/Downloads/nxt
3. ./run.sh
4. access via browser at http://localhost:7876
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #253 on: August 17, 2014, 12:47:41 am »

Tict Tock Tick Tock
come on thesir this has gone on long enough
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #254 on: August 17, 2014, 12:47:54 am »

Good night!
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #255 on: August 17, 2014, 12:48:47 am »

IF the community pressures BTER to negotiate, there will be an active campaign against NXT for tolerating and supporting thief and dirty scumbags of this world. NXT will be done for.

If the community pressures BTER to negotiate?

How does rejecting a hard fork of a functioning ecosystem based on the security flaws of an exchange equate to pressuring Bter to negotiate?

Bter is responsible for the negotiations thus far and this thread was started by one of their employees.

Everyone wants a resolution to this that makes bter users whole and keeps the existing chain intact so that Nxt can thrive as it aught to.

It is not about BTER or its lack of security. They will have to pay dearly anyway. It is about the community's response to the thief's demand or a general response to these type of behaviors. I don't approve a community that tolerating and supporting thief and ransom for the ideological sake. Many will agree with me.

To be clear. BTER exchange would be difficult to survive in any case given the hit to its reputation. I don't approve BTER earlier blunder in sending him BTC. Negotiating with thief and giving them money is not the way to go. Thief have to be threatened and hurt so they no longer like to do their dirty deeds.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #257 on: August 17, 2014, 12:50:33 am »

I've got all my nxt in bter. I think the best solution is the point made by James. Issue an asset, let it be trade freely with dividends bound to bter profits. Let's take risk to people who love risk and forget a rollback which damage the coin. The asset for nxtstolen is the best conduit to make money for bter and risk takers.
From my point of view, bter could raise money to issue the asset. In this way, people could participate in this bail out and take profits from it.
With the money from this IPO, bter could invest in new infrastructure to increase its service and get new users. Just let bter to issue a clear prospect about the plans for the invested money and payment of nxt stolen
« Last Edit: August 17, 2014, 12:55:19 am by cromaclear »
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #258 on: August 17, 2014, 12:50:58 am »

If you all sell your NXT for crash, his hack is worth nothing. If you don't, he will sell all his NXT for crash and your coins are worth nothing. :)
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #259 on: August 17, 2014, 12:53:59 am »

Why? Dgex has been forging from beginning, I think.
No, just occasionally unintended.

We are considering forging for 1.2.5f though with 29M.

lol, you deny that your exchange forges intentionally and then state that you are considering forging. Whatever  ::)

Wtf forging and mining are two different things. Anyone has control of any amount of Nxt should forge to protect their Nxt! Includes exchanges! That's the right thing to do!

But tbh you did freakd graviton abit lol.  DW You doing the right thing graviton!
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