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I propose free escrow service to do option 1.

This is how it should be done:

1. I publish my BTC and NXT accounts
2. BTER sends 200 BTC to my BTC account (after that it doesn't control these coins)
3. We are waiting for a reply from the hacker (24 hours), the reply must be a public message with his BTC account from NXT-8WJ7-8A2H-MBYN-3W9K4 to my NXT account
4. The hacker sends 46'662'000 NXT to my account
5. I send 200 BTC to his BTC account
6. I send 46+ M NXT to BTER cold wallet that already got 5 M NXT

So, if the hacker trusts me we could do it this way (the 200 BTC are not mine anyway if he worries that I could break the deal).

Quote from: gs02xzz on August 16, 2014, 09:28:01 pm

One more avenue for Bter to compensate the users is to convert some of the lost NXT to their stock shares.

The stolenNXT is essentially 50% of bter revenues and represents a majority of their equity, but it will be only for the ~12 month estimated period.
Of course if bter wanted to do a fund raising by issuing BTER asset to represent their company and pledged a percentage of what they raise to increase their bid on stolenNXT, I would be happy to help

James

Quote from: jl777 on August 16, 2014, 09:09:13 pm

The fourth solution:

Issue 51.x million stolenNXT assets and distribute them proportionally to the people who had the deposits in bter. This idea I copied from Lee.

Now, if any negotiations/bounty hunting/etc. gets all the NXT back, it is simple, put a bid on NXT AE at 1 NXT per 1 stolenNXT. 5 million NXT has already been recovered, so the initial bid should be ~0.1 NXT per stolenNXT. Those that are happy to recoup anything are then free to accept this bid, they get a guaranteed 10% back, the others will get a higher chance for full recovery.

Since full recovery from hacker is no 100% certain event, it is bter's responsibility to makegood the difference. This is what Tristan at Poloniex did, though 100 BTC vs 50 million NXT is so much different we cant compare the two, still bter used to be a significant exchange and if it can come up with a plan to make everybody whole, it will survive this. If not, I estimate chances of bter to become an irrelevant small exchange to be 90%+

sorry, freeworm, this is the reality. If bter does not have a plan that will make its depositors whole, you will lose 90%+ of all your other trading volumes and I doubt you will survive.

So, it is in bter's interest to make sure all NXT holders are repaid. I understand 50 45 million NXT is enormous amount, but if you can assure people that in spite of this impossible situation you have a plan with very good chance of success, then bter will become very well respected and will be able to not only survive but even become more popular.

This is what needs to be done. Allocate HALF your revenues to repurchase the stolenNXT. Each week, increase the bid for the stolenNXT by half your revenues added to the repurchase amount. So if you are doing 10000 BTC of trading in a week, at 0.2% commission on each side, 20 BTC is added to the bid of the stolenNXT. this will not be much of a change for one week, but over time, especially if your volumes grow as this becomes a way for the general crypto community to help out just by using bter for their trading, cuz they can trust bter to makegood. If your trading volumes double, then you actually are making the same revenues. Much better than 90% reductions.

let us work the numbers.

20 BTC @ 15000 NXT/BTC is 300,000 NXT per week, this is 150 weeks or three years. A long, long time, but this is much better than never.

Also, I expect that as the bid for the stolenNXT keeps increasing, more and more people will be selling and every sale below 1:1 is reducing this debt, so I estimate that if you can be adding 300K NXT per week, it will actually clear out the debt in closer to a year's time. If you get massive positive PR and a sympathy trading business, then maybe it could be much faster.

I hope that freeworm will be realistic and open to this plan. I will help how I can for the structuring of this

James

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A hardfork of Nxt would make it seem like just another, failed crypto-currency that could not withhold a hack on a centralized entity. What you are proposing is killing Nxt's future and it won't get us anywhere near the place you want it to be.

That is well debatable. The community is fully divided on that. Saying such as being a sure thing is foolish.

In my opinion the solution to block hacker's account only through a hard fork is a sign of exceptional communal resolve. It's not a rollback. It is a collaborative action that mitigates damage done by a malevolent party. The effect to NXT users is only beneficial. The effect to outside observers is mixed and not prominent. Do not let fear take you over and prevent you from taking action when it needs to be taken.

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50m Nxt flooding the markets are very unlikely.

Not flooding but exerting incredible downward pressure during the next 3, 6 or even 12 months. It is nearly certain. The hacker will of course sell it to a private dark side investor who mixes it, cashes out some, and sells the rest forward to the next investor for a fraction of the market price. Rinse and repeat until done.

1.5 million USD extra injection to the buy side would not suffice to keep NXT afloat, because of the bad rep causing more sell pressure.

By blocking the 50M from being sold, we just have to deal with the bad rep and not the massive selling million after million until exhaustion.

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on August 16, 2014, 06:52:59 pm

I propose free escrow service to do option 1.

This is how it should be done:

1. I publish my BTC and NXT accounts
2. BTER sends 200 BTC to my BTC account (after that it doesn't control these coins)
3. We are waiting for a reply from the hacker (24 hours), the reply must be a public message with his BTC account from NXT-8WJ7-8A2H-MBYN-3W9K4 to my NXT account
4. The hacker sends 46'662'000 NXT to my account
5. I send 200 BTC to his BTC account
6. I send 46+ M NXT to BTER cold wallet that already got 5 M NXT

So, if the hacker trusts me we could do it this way (the 200 BTC are not mine anyway if he worries that I could break the deal).

This is a win-win for every part involved.

Hope the hacker is reading this topic.

Quote from: Graviton on August 16, 2014, 09:19:07 pm

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A hardfork of Nxt would make it seem like just another, failed crypto-currency that could not withhold a hack on a centralized entity. What you are proposing is killing Nxt's future and it won't get us anywhere near the place you want it to be.

That is well debatable. The community is fully divided on that. Saying such as being a sure thing is foolish.

In my opinion the solution to block hacker's account only through a hard fork is a sign of exceptional communal resolve. It's not a rollback. It is a collaborative action that mitigates damage done by a malevolent party. The effect to NXT users is only beneficial. The effect to outside observers is mixed and not prominent. Do not let fear take you over and prevent you from taking action when it needs to be taken.

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50m Nxt flooding the markets are very unlikely.

Not flooding but exerting incredible downward pressure during the next 3, 6 or even 12 months. It is nearly certain. The hacker will of course sell it to a private dark side investor who mixes it, cashes out some, and sells the rest forward to the next investor for a fraction of the market price. Rinse and repeat until done.

1.5 million USD extra injection to the buy side would not suffice to keep NXT afloat, because of the bad rep causing more sell pressure.

By blocking the 50M from being sold, we just have to deal with the bad rep and not the massive selling million after million until exhaustion.

So where is the line when you say: we freeze that account?

Is it when 20 million gets stolen? 10 million? 100 thousand? Who needs to cry wolf to get people to freeze "account X"?
Do we need everyone to be affected by the theft? 1000 people? 100 people? 10?

It's a VERY slippery slope Graviton... Very. (besides you wanting to use CUSTOMER deposits, which aren't yours!)