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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2014, 07:10:25 pm »

I remember times when there were only two devs working on NXT - BCNext himself and CfB. I also remember times when releasing 3 clients per 24 hours becuase of bugs were absolutely normal. I remeber times when there were less then 10 nodes to support whole network and people were checking with each other what #block they have in their clients to not get on fork. I remember times when it was just enough to hear words from CfB "Guys, we need to go on new fork with 0.X.X NRS client" because of some bug to do it. And noone were yelling about centralization and other shit. And now you refuse to go on fork for save your own money just because of what exacctly? What changed since that times? Concider this theft as a crritical bug in core. And what about BTER offering to invest 200BTC in NXT? Still not enough? You would rather give that away to the hacker? What is fucking wrong with you people?

Ah but it's NOT a bug in the core. And that's reason enough not to do this.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2014, 07:10:32 pm »

reserved
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2014, 07:11:47 pm »

As much as I enjoy the image of crypto bounty-hunters crashing through this guy's bedroom window while he sleeps, I agree that 1 is the only realistic option.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2014, 07:12:05 pm »

PS Put your buy walls in people.  I'm placing my(small bump of a wall) at ~.000051  Maybe we can cushion the drop.  There's a few big walls down to .00004
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2014, 07:15:05 pm »

Option nr 1 is the only viable option.

Option 1!

Never bailout a exchange. Never bailout a bank!
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2014, 07:16:36 pm »

Hard as it is for me to say but I need to say Wesley is right NUMBER 1

Number 3 is out of the qeustion this has not caused my damaged to NXT so far its better to search the guy or bounty hunt him but number 3 is not an option unless you really want to have nothing of NXT in the end


Option nr 1 is the only viable option.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2014, 07:17:48 pm »

If Bter is contact with hacker Opt 1 or 2 look viable.

Anyway, I will forge with version 1.2.5f just for put presure on the hacker and on all of you.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2014, 07:18:06 pm »

I lost nearly all my NXT on bter, a little more than 18,000.

I know that's chump change to many of you, but that was the beginning of an investment I wanted to dollar cost average into.

It doesn't matter if it's chump change to some of us. A loss is a loss and it's always painful.
Too many people in the crypto scene just say "get over it", but I do think that we could at least could have some empathy here.

I sincerely hope we will be able to recoup all or at least a big chunk of your losses.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2014, 07:19:24 pm »

Option nr 1 is the only viable option.

Option 1!

Never bailout a exchange. Never bailout a bank!

Wrong this is not a bailout, a bailout requires someone to refund a bank after the funds were lost. Nobody is refunding BTER, its just returning the funds to their rightful owner.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2014, 07:20:03 pm »

Option 1

if not,

Options 2
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2014, 07:20:17 pm »

If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 10M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 100M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 900M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, then we give up nxt?


EDIT:

This event is a major accident, crime
The funds be stolen is all the NXT investor money, no bter.


If we are unable to recover the stolen funds, What platform or banks are willing to take risks to use nxt?
« Last Edit: August 16, 2014, 07:53:07 pm by coolfish »
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2014, 07:21:22 pm »

Concider this theft as a crritical bug in core. And what about BTER offering to invest 200BTC in NXT? Still not enough? You would rather give that away to the hacker? What is fucking wrong with you people?

But it was not critical bug in the core, so hard to "consider it such" when it was not. Where do we stop with rollbacks? I remember when Klee was hacked and Bter froze hacker's account, the first thing CfB posted was "he doesn't support freeeze, as he is anarchist". Remember?
 
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2014, 07:22:53 pm »

If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 10M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 100M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 900M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, then we give up nxt?
10M Nxt = no
100M Nxt = no
900M Nxt = If 900M Nxt parked at a exchange who is forging anyway? The exchange owns the coin.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2014, 07:23:45 pm »

If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 10M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 100M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 900M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, then we give up nxt?

If the theft was due to flaw in Nxt software, we would have more agreement on the  fork. If not, why would we do it for bter but not for Klee?
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2014, 07:24:15 pm »

If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 10M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 100M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 900M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, then we give up nxt?

C'mon. If it ever gets to the point where 1 wallet has 90% of NXT, it's already over at that point.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2014, 07:25:25 pm »


Ah but it's NOT a bug in the core. And that's reason enough not to do this.



So, returning stolen money to people is not enough reason? Preventing possible dump of 46m is not enough reason as well? Would you presonaly buy NXT if you encountered it only now, this day, knowing that there are stole 46mils flying around. I wouldn't.. Because I am total newbie. I wouldn't go to NXT wiki or forum threads. I would just check out our lagging website and then find out about theft from this forum or bitcointalk. And something telling me that other newbies like me will do the same. Luckly I am in NXT since times when it was trading only on dgex with no fees. So I can see how much been done since then. Absolutely astonishing progress. We just can't give someone 46mil for free... IMHO
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2014, 07:25:55 pm »

If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 10M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 100M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, ok !
If one nxt wallet bank , be stolen by hackers 900M nxt , Do we Rollback? If not, then we give up nxt?

If the theft was due to flaw in Nxt software, we would have more agreement on the  fork. If not, why would we do it for bter but not for Klee?

You encourage others to criminal acts
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2014, 07:26:29 pm »

Great work! I see more and more 1.2.5f in peers now.  We need more power. Thank you very much for your support.
I am going to get more people in tomorrow from China.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2014, 07:27:33 pm »

Option 1.
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Re: 3 solutions proposed by Bter.com (200BTC deal or 310BTC bounty or Fork)
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2014, 07:27:37 pm »

Concider this theft as a crritical bug in core. And what about BTER offering to invest 200BTC in NXT? Still not enough? You would rather give that away to the hacker? What is fucking wrong with you people?

But it was not critical bug in the core, so hard to "consider it such" when it was not. Where do we stop with rollbacks? I remember when Klee was hacked and Bter froze hacker's account, the first thing CfB posted was "he doesn't support freeeze, as he is anarchist". Remember?
 
I do...

On another note - Negotiate, always negotiate!
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