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« on: August 07, 2014, 12:32:20 pm »

In the last months there has been a growing consensus that the current Committee structure simply isn't efficient and promotes passivity in the community. In the last weeks a group of us with similar ideas on how to solve this has come together. This resulted in a concrete solution that we named "Nxt Organization". This organization is not a formal or otherwise official organization. It's an effort by community members to push NXT to the frontier of crypto and make sure it stays there. Read the entire announcement here: http://nxtorganization.org/129/nxt-organization/

We're also looking for a few more people, if you like the initiative and think you can contribute send a mail to the admin of the group you think you'll be useful in. Mails can be found here: http://nxtorganization.org/contributors/
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 12:33:56 pm »

As a part of this initiative I'm giving my all to get NXT (finally) to the next level. I strongly believe that we can achieve this. :)
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2014, 12:34:34 pm »

I am looking forward to being a part of this initiative very much.

NXT's rise to the top isn't going to happen on its own  ;D

Thank you all for your continued support for NXT.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 12:35:38 pm »

Looking forward to collaborating with all of you. With our plans I am completely confident that we'll produce results faster than ever and push NXT to the NXT level.
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 12:49:13 pm »

The idea has been floated around a little bit but the fact that the website didn't exist and this was just an idea less than a week ago, shows a lot of promise for getting things done faster.  Looking forward to this!
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 12:59:22 pm »

I'll propably join you guys in a few weeks. The name is very bad though because people will believe that it is something like the bitcoin foundation.

We are very aware of the connotations such “officially”-sounding words have in the crypto world. But we’re here to build a bridge to the real world where business operates. To them “organization” is self-explanatory, it means something worth paying a little more attention to. It’s a group of people with a purpose, a goal and an origin. Any other name would just be a random name, that's the rationale behind the it.
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 01:03:38 pm »

Why not name the foundation something like this "F%oYqn<%lZR?p0-n<QGDO}8g^.4';{St2#UH=PcWus=^0%PCS^uuJx:ukh;"6.n8Hh+x$-1l!>1k^GF0hF607qu)`N"<YLr!EQ2?"

....No one will ever mention it in the news and you still could promote nxt.

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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 01:30:32 pm »

In the last months there has been a growing consensus that the current Committee structure simply isn't efficient and promotes passivity in the community. In the last weeks a group of us with similar ideas on how to solve this has come together. This resulted in a concrete solution that we named "Nxt Organization". This organization is not a formal or otherwise official organization. It's an effort by community members to push NXT to the frontier of crypto and make sure it stays there. Read the entire announcement here: http://nxtorganization.org/129/nxt-organization/

We're also looking for a few more people, if you like the initiative and think you can contribute send a mail to the admin of the group you think you'll be useful in. Mails can be found here: http://nxtorganization.org/contributors/

Are you talking specifically about the Marketing Committee or also the infra and tech?

I agree that from a marketing point of view, we as a community need to do MUCH more. We are getting our assess kicked by the likes of Ethereum and even Doge. So for marketing, I would pretty much want to see NXT on the forefront, we should be the 2nd most talked about coin and right now we are definitely not that.

So Wesleyh, is this a marketing initiative, or is there more to it?

EDIT: Oh I forgot to scroll down. I see... you want to completely replace the existing committees? Hm...
« Last Edit: August 07, 2014, 01:39:43 pm by abuelau »
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 01:36:23 pm »

I have a bad feeling with how this group was created, especially with that name. I saw a vote about if NXTers want a reorganization of the existing committees and there more votings for more specific questions were announced, did I miss them? Your mission statement goes much further than my ideas for a "organization bureau" and by giving yourself the unique status (to the public) of THE NXT Organization you centralize things (like enquiries from companies) without proper discussion/voting with the community.

Maybe this is great and precisely what NXT needs, maybe not, I dont know. We'll see, hopefully my bad feeling turns into excitement soon :-)

You have very legitimate concerns noashh.

The Bitcoin Foundation started out as a good thing and still continue to do a lot of good things. Without them bitcoin would be in a very different place in the business world.
Where they made extraordinary errors, we will take lessons and not repeat them.
The Bitcoin Foundation’s largest problem was lack of transparency. We have structured our organization to be transparent in as many ways as possible.

EDIT: We're not claiming to be THE ONLY Organization. Others are welcome to start their own to support NXT.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2014, 01:39:59 pm by HumanFractal »
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 01:42:18 pm »

I have a bad feeling with how this group was created, especially with that name. I saw a vote about if NXTers want a reorganization of the existing committees and there more votings for more specific questions were announced, did I miss them? Your mission statement goes much further than my ideas for a "organization bureau" and by giving yourself the unique status (to the public) of THE NXT Organization you centralize things (like enquiries from companies) without proper discussion/voting with the community.

Maybe this is great and precisely what NXT needs, maybe not, I dont know. We'll see, hopefully my bad feeling turns into excitement soon :-)

There was an initial vote regarding whether we needed something new and clearly we do. So, we saw there was a problem, instead of spending months voting on it (which we can't really afford.. think Ethereum), we organized a group of people who know and love Nxt, have proven their commitment, can work well together and decided to do something about it.

Are you talking specifically about the Marketing Committee or also the infra and tech?

I agree that from a marketing point of view, we as a community need to do MUCH more. We are getting our assess kicked by the likes of Ethereum and even Doge. So for marketing, I would pretty much want to see NXT on the forefront, we should be the 2nd most talked about coin and right now we are definitely not that.

So Wesleyh, is this a marketing initiative, or is there more to it?

Marketing is a very large part of it.  We also intend to have some experts on hand who can address technical questions that the community has and in general provide an interface to the outside world for companies who want to work with Nxt.
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2014, 01:44:13 pm »

This is a great effort. It is time for Nxt to group the force to push the features/functions to the real business world. I hope the companies and whales can see its potentials and give your guys support.

I hope we will have more this this kind Nxters seft organized organizations/associations created by the Nxters based on their interests and niches, for instance, Nxt AE association/club to guide the business practice at AE, Nxt DGS association, Nxt Monetary System Research Association, and so on.

Have you thought about using Association instead of Organization? 
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2014, 01:48:40 pm »

Why not name the foundation something like this "F%oYqn<%lZR?p0-n<QGDO}8g^.4';{St2#UH=PcWus=^0%PCS^uuJx:ukh;"6.n8Hh+x$-1l!>1k^GF0hF607qu)`N"<YLr!EQ2?"
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2014, 01:51:18 pm »

In the last months there has been a growing consensus that the current Committee structure simply isn't efficient and promotes passivity in the community. In the last weeks a group of us with similar ideas on how to solve this has come together. This resulted in a concrete solution that we named "Nxt Organization". This organization is not a formal or otherwise official organization. It's an effort by community members to push NXT to the frontier of crypto and make sure it stays there. Read the entire announcement here: http://nxtorganization.org/129/nxt-organization/

We're also looking for a few more people, if you like the initiative and think you can contribute send a mail to the admin of the group you think you'll be useful in. Mails can be found here: http://nxtorganization.org/contributors/

Are you talking specifically about the Marketing Committee or also the infra and tech?

I agree that from a marketing point of view, we as a community need to do MUCH more. We are getting our assess kicked by the likes of Ethereum and even Doge. So for marketing, I would pretty much want to see NXT on the forefront, we should be the 2nd most talked about coin and right now we are definitely not that.

So Wesleyh, is this a marketing initiative, or is there more to it?

EDIT: Oh I forgot to scroll down. I see... you want to completely replace the existing committees? Hm...

Not replace at all. Offer up an alternative.
Ever since the committees was formed, a lot of initiative just died out. People saw that we had a marketing committee. Thought to themselves  "Great now I can kick back and wait for the moon"
Up to the last week it was only guys in this organization that was getting ahold of devs for the core. If you've seen the Tech Tree of NXT (will soon be online and public) you know that we got like 30 features to build, that require a lot of organizing, SPECs to be written, developers to be brought onboard etc. etc.
And you're spot on with marketing. Even counterparty with single digit K numbers still have more marketing than us.

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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 02:05:34 pm »

I like the website and the initiative. A few comments.

1. It looks like you are setting up an international organisation and this is not a trivial undertaking. I've been there and done that in real life. Skype will only get you part way there. You will need face-to-face meetings and this will require funds set aside for at least 2-3 years. Best to have face-to-face meetings at events where you can also promote NXT. Appoint somebody as secretary for accurate note taking so there is no ambiguity about decisions taken at meetings (language and cultural differences between members can sometimes result in people leaving a meeting with different perspectives). Plenty of resources out there on how to get outcomes from meetings rather than more meetings.

2. Trying to attract business to use NXT will require a number of changes.
Anonymity will have be replaced by real people and faces on the website so business know who they are dealing with.
Business will also want to know the legal status of NXTorganization
- Is it a not-for-profit organisation like stellar?
- Is it an incorporated private company or a publicly listed crypto company like DCC (http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=DCC) where the financials are public?
- Is it something else?

Business will also want to know:
Will it still be around in a years time?
Market cap and who owns most of the coins?
Who owns the IP (intellectual property) and is there Freedom to Operate?
What will it cost?
What is its advantage over other cryptos?
How will it help my business?
All this would need to be explained by working demonstrations and in a language a child would understand (copy the language of a newsreader).

It goes without saying that the organization and people involved will have to be squeaky clean and deliver on any commitments and deadlines.
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2014, 02:09:44 pm »

In the last months there has been a growing consensus that the current Committee structure simply isn't efficient and promotes passivity in the community. In the last weeks a group of us with similar ideas on how to solve this has come together. This resulted in a concrete solution that we named "Nxt Organization". This organization is not a formal or otherwise official organization. It's an effort by community members to push NXT to the frontier of crypto and make sure it stays there. Read the entire announcement here: http://nxtorganization.org/129/nxt-organization/

We're also looking for a few more people, if you like the initiative and think you can contribute send a mail to the admin of the group you think you'll be useful in. Mails can be found here: http://nxtorganization.org/contributors/

Are you talking specifically about the Marketing Committee or also the infra and tech?

I agree that from a marketing point of view, we as a community need to do MUCH more. We are getting our assess kicked by the likes of Ethereum and even Doge. So for marketing, I would pretty much want to see NXT on the forefront, we should be the 2nd most talked about coin and right now we are definitely not that.

So Wesleyh, is this a marketing initiative, or is there more to it?

EDIT: Oh I forgot to scroll down. I see... you want to completely replace the existing committees? Hm...

Not replace at all. Offer up an alternative.
Ever since the committees was formed, a lot of initiative just died out. People saw that we had a marketing committee. Thought to themselves  "Great now I can kick back and wait for the moon"
Up to the last week it was only guys in this organization that was getting ahold of devs for the core. If you've seen the Tech Tree of NXT (will soon be online and public) you know that we got like 30 features to build, that require a lot of organizing, SPECs to be written, developers to be brought onboard etc. etc.
And you're spot on with marketing. Even counterparty with single digit K numbers still have more marketing than us.

Agreed on Marketing.

Regarding the tech fund (which I am part of) I have to say the guys do a lot of work and have been trying hard to find good core devs and we approved many bounties even though everyone in the committee is just donating their time.

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2014, 04:28:12 pm »

So what we have here is a small group of NXT'ers who have, without any real form of community consultation, set themselves up as an alternative organisational structure for the NXT community.

Why the need for a seperate organisation?
We already have a committee structure, with available funding.
There is already an initiative to re-organise the committees to be more pro-active and to add a possible central organisational group to that structure, so why couldn't the 'NXT Organisation' work within that structure to reform it?

This is simply going to lead to confusion and competition within NXT, as if we don't already have enough of that.

My personal take on this: good idea, lousy execution.
I would much prefer to see the members of this group work within the existing structure, such as it is.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2014, 04:32:02 pm »

There's nothing wrong with friendly competition when the goal is to promote development and further NXT.
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2014, 05:08:29 pm »

So what we have here is a small group of NXT'ers who have, without any real form of community consultation, set themselves up as an alternative organisational structure for the NXT community.

Why the need for a seperate organisation?
We already have a committee structure, with available funding.
There is already an initiative to re-organise the committees to be more pro-active and to add a possible central organisational group to that structure, so why couldn't the 'NXT Organisation' work within that structure to reform it?

This is simply going to lead to confusion and competition within NXT, as if we don't already have enough of that.

My personal take on this: good idea, lousy execution.
I would much prefer to see the members of this group work within the existing structure, such as it is.

The desire for improvements is huge inside the community. Nxt is being attacked at all fronts and lets face it, Nxt is lacking and falling behind the competition. Either we hope for other people to change Nxt or we change it ourselves. The Organization is one of these initiatives that is aimed to take things into their own hands and pursue a brighter future for the whole.

Radical changes need to happen for Nxt to be where most hope it to be. And this is one of the essential changes that is demanded by the community. By trying to take a more diplomatic approach we waste weeks by trying to find a solution. This is the solution. And it is here in front of your eyes. Either you collaborate with the organization or you don't. The path for us is clear and we know what we need to achieve to get there - and we will work day and night to achieve it.
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Re: NXT Organization initiative
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2014, 05:17:39 pm »

And, er, how do you know that this is what the community wants, Dom?
Did you actually ask them?

I agree totally that we do need some changes, but it would have been nice to see some small amount of consultation before you made the decision to set this up.

Did you even consider working within the existing structures?
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2014, 05:26:51 pm »

The current system isn't working.. things are not getting done fast enough.  4 days ago we decided to push forward with this (before you posted your poll btw). During that time, an organizational structure has been created, the website was made, members committed to roles.

I think everyone is in agreement that there are issues with the current system and something needs to be done.

We wish you luck reorganizing the current communities.  What we are saying is, we are here to help, and we will get things done and fast.  We don't have time to waste right now and don't want to spend two months figuring out how to reorganize things, only to figure it out just in time for Ethereum to launch.

We considered asking for input but specifically didn't consult the community because we are not officially representing the community.  We are a separate entity that is trying to help Nxt, we are saying that we will do our own marketing for Nxt, we have some developers on board who can help anyone who has technical questions, and we will make a point of actively making connections, basically we intend to make things happen.  If the official committees want to make things happen too, all the better. But they've had 6 months, we want to try something new and we are saying here is a potential solution.
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