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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #920 on: August 15, 2014, 03:21:32 pm »

How do we know which nrs won and when?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #921 on: August 15, 2014, 03:21:57 pm »

as i see thatsa  good chance to show everyone as comunity. we can handle hackers ina stylish way. keep everyone money safe and create a dieal decentralized commite with centralized system advantages. to be a real 2.0 comunity we must start thinking as a 2.0 comunity. take the best of both world and dont get stucked with old 1.0 concepts.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #922 on: August 15, 2014, 03:22:15 pm »

I leased my balance to chucks charity hub, so does anybody know whether he is helping with rollback or not? Just curious ...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #923 on: August 15, 2014, 03:22:19 pm »

I don't see BTER staying open after this. I seriously can't believe how bad their security was when they lured people in with 'interest'.

I  hope that's not the case. But, I just made a withdrawl account for some Via I had sitting there. Better to lose 2% to the fee, than all of it.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #924 on: August 15, 2014, 03:22:30 pm »

So, I just transfered to my business-partner 5 mil NXT for merchandise, which i like, but don´t want to pay. Please, forgers, could you do a rollback, please. I know this all is about a theft, but what is my business, please decide. I say, my business is theft also, so, rollback please, thank you.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 03:37:17 pm by starfishi »
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #925 on: August 15, 2014, 03:22:45 pm »

im at 209885 in new chain, apparantly downloading the new chain but its stuck there

same

You need to start forging via http://localhost:7876/test

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #926 on: August 15, 2014, 03:23:53 pm »

Rollback shouldnt not happen, thats no in the interest of Nxt. If exchanges mess up things, c'est la vie. Move to decentralized trading.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #927 on: August 15, 2014, 03:24:09 pm »

So, I just transfered to my business-partner 5 mil NXT for merchandise, which i like, but don´t want to pay. Please, forgers, could you do a rollback, please. I know this all is about a theft, but what is my business, please decide. I say, its theft also, so, rollback please, thank you.

I believe everything not including hacker and bter account still occurs. So your thing won't get a rollback.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #928 on: August 15, 2014, 03:25:11 pm »


I believe everything not including hacker and bter account still occurs. So your thing won't get a rollback.

Depends on the timeout setting of the transaction...
But I'd really like some more explanation by the devs on this. It's rather quiet.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #930 on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:01 pm »

Wtf
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #932 on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:41 pm »

https://twitter.com/btercom/status/500301278027608064

okay so the chinese exchange is gonna go full force on this guy...if/when they find him.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #934 on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:51 pm »

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #935 on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:56 pm »

Well, the rollback is cancelled. Dunno if it's good or bad coz I wanted to see what share of the stake would decide to rollback the changes. Taking into account that only small part of the nodes upgraded to 1.2.5b I can guess that only a small part agreed to play this game. But still...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #936 on: August 15, 2014, 03:27:12 pm »

I think we are witnessing how hard it is to get consensus to rollback even in the relatively small Nxt community..

PoS for the win!  Blockchain is safe :)
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #937 on: August 15, 2014, 03:27:39 pm »

Rollback shouldnt not happen, thats no in the interest of Nxt. If exchanges mess up things, c'est la vie. Move to decentralized trading.

blockchain could be rollbacked but human memory no. bter must pay with lost of confidence in them but no good reason to make people pay beacuse bter cant apply apropiated safety measures. thats why i suport rollback. those 50m nxt must be frozen and returned to the real owners and if they smart oens they take their coins out of bter as soon they can and let bter deal with those 110 btc they cant rollback
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #938 on: August 15, 2014, 03:28:04 pm »

My thoughts

First of all, I want to say that I am sad because of the situation that BTER is passing through at the moment. I can't imagine how difficult it is to lose that ammount of money. I hope things get resolved in their favor.

Whether the fork is or is not a good idea, I ask the community: Are we going to do this everytime exchange/person/entity 'X' loses a significant amount of nxt for some reason (e.g. got robbed, etc)? Or are we going to do this just to help BTER? I agree that BTER has helped the community a lot with stolen funds and I recognize the value of this kind of effort, but we must also recognize that this kind of decision has a big impact on the nxt ecosystem. The situation in which BTER is can happen to someone else in the future, and I think it will be likely that that someone else will consider "asking the devs/community for a nxt fork" an option.

I am not saying that we should *always* handle this kind of situation the same way, but I encourage that we must think forward (in the future) before taking a decision as a community. I think that forking to help BTER and not doing it to help 'X' would have some kind of negative effect on the community, which is why I think that we as a community should be consistent with the way we handle this kind of situation.

By saying what I said above, I am not expressing myself against or in favor of this decision. I am in favor of *consistency*, because (again,) I think that not being consistent will have some kind of negative effect on the ecosystem. I could be wrong though.

There are other ways we can help BTER as a community, for example, we can collect funds to help them. I agree that it will probably not help them recover everything, but at least we are doing something to help. Or we can also aim to catch the bad guy.

Either way, I will kindly accept the decision that the community takes.

My apologies for my bad English. It is not my first language.

My 2 cents.

Best regards,
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