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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:45 am »

If we should do this... my stake is leased to Forky's pool so I need to know the pool will go along with this, or the best I can do is to move my stake so it cannot contribute to the wrong chain...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:50 am »

Marketing disaster. No matter what happens now.

I agree, in all cases this is a disaster for the NXT image...

Like more for BTER?

Every attention is good.
If we fix this together then nothing will happen imo
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:59 am »

First lets just ask the thief nicely to give back the NXT they stole. No way they can keep it anyway.
When this fails I'm in favor of a roll back, but this has to be a one time solution.

Also, how about we talk about that 0.5% withdraw fee Bter?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2014, 09:13:19 am »

wow, I see the big transfer when I got up, just thought that was bter changing his deposit address...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 09:13:28 am »

I can see the multigateway being a easy way out for hackers like these, can someone keep an eye out for a transaction through that.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2014, 09:13:51 am »

CfB wants to hear whether we should do a rollback or solve this with forging!

No, I just state that forgers have a choice. No need to come to a consensus, those who think that blockchain ought to be rewritten need just do it and hope that majority of the stake will do the same.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2014, 09:13:57 am »

How about blacklisting the coins? Rollback will indeed have huge consequences.


Is it possible to release a version of client that allows negative nxt to be sent, then call BCNext to send negative nxt from genesis to hacker? ;D
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2014, 09:14:17 am »

Evert NXT/BTC out there needs to be on hold!
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2014, 09:14:32 am »

Please people, before you yell "ROLLBACK", consider:

a) BTER has already posted they will refund
b) consider ALL consequences of a rollback! ALL transactions by EVERYONE will be undone!

I know this is extremely shocking, but let's look at this within the time we have, which is about 600 blocks.

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2014, 09:14:50 am »

Rollback.

And bter needs to ensure us the problem has been addressed and what's being done to avoid similar situations in the future.

Yes we have identified the issue.
We have all our email, dropbox etc protected by 2-factor auth from beginning but had this hosting account left.
That's why the hacker can get into the hosting account.
It's totally our fault.
We have already changed all passwords and enabled the 2-factor auth.

Thanks a lot for your support!
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:09 am »

there have been multiple warnings not to keep funds at exchanges.

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:13 am »

ROLLBACK pls.

Lots of my money were there  :-[

The rest was leased to FrokedChain's pool.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:18 am »

Marketing disaster. No matter what happens now.

I agree, in all cases this is a disaster for the NXT image...

Not positive for sure. But if this is not just a decision by the developer (as it was in the Viacoin case) but rather by the majority of forgers, then I think it's still the Proof of Stake principle at work.
So maybe not a disaster.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:20 am »

I vote for a rollback.

Contacted forkedchain about it, because he manages a lot of hallmarked nodes, but I think he is on vacation.  :(
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:41 am »

Rollback.

And bter needs to ensure us the problem has been addressed and what's being done to avoid similar situations in the future.

Yes we have identified the issue.
We have all our email, dropbox etc protected by 2-factor auth from beginning but had this hosting account left.
That's why the hacker can get into the hosting account.
It's totally our fault.
We have already changed all passwords and enabled the 2-factor auth.

Thanks a lot for your support!

Wow...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:47 am »

We can't relly rewrite the past in a decentralized system.

We can do it legally within 720-block frame. But the time is passing...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:51 am »

CfB wants to hear whether we should do a rollback or solve this with forging!

No, I just state that forgers have a choice. No need to come to a consensus, those who think that blockchain ought to be rewritten need just do it and hope that majority of the stake will do the same.

Thanks for clarifying this. I misunderstood your post then.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:55 am »

Marketing disaster. No matter what happens now.

I agree, in all cases this is a disaster for the NXT image...

Well the theft was not NXT's fault... it could happen with any coin. But the roll-back shows that a few people have the power to undo transactions so I am not sure about how this will look like...  but keep in mind we can only do this before the 1440 confirmation period... which makes sense. So I don't think it's that bad.

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2014, 09:16:09 am »

I err on the side of No rollback. Sorry but the mistake should be paid by Bter.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2014, 09:16:36 am »

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