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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2014, 09:04:55 am »

Roll back of course. Once the new version is out I will update my nodes.

Does only forging count or public nodes without anyone forging also help?

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2014, 09:05:09 am »

I vote for a rollback and some of the stolen fund should goes to nxt fund.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2014, 09:05:14 am »

If bter cover the lost of roll back then i'm fine with that. How is it plan to pay the lost from the roll back?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2014, 09:05:31 am »

So much trouble in NXT land, with the eventual but still far away release of the DGS, the compatability issues, the organization/community debates, and now this.

I say we need to do it, for the good of the people investing in NXT and to show that hackers have no ground against us

And just so people know, the person that stole the money sent the message 'hi' to the NXTRA faucet the donated 20 NXT to it through stolen funds. Very strange behavior, I thought it was funny.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2014, 09:05:54 am »

we should do a rollback we have no choice..

Yes please!

This would affect lots of medium to small fishes..

Rollback please, I thank you all if it works
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 09:06:15 am »

The thief just registered an alias "TheSir" 3 hours ago: http://www.mynxt.info/blockexplorer/aliases.php?account=1244396688755618309

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 09:06:32 am »

~50 million NXT has been stolen from BTER.
The money was transferred from NXT-LSC3-VB9T-2W3V-BH7FB to NXT-8WJ7-8A2H-MBYN-3W9K4.
BTER asked Nxt community to help.

The only legit way to do it (without abusing power of developers) is to ask forgers to decide what to do:

Keep forging the current branch with 50M belonging to the thief

OR

Remove the blocks after the theft and forge another branch where 50M will belong to BTER

U still have time to roll the changes back, after 720 blocks on top it will be too late. U should try to reach Jean-Luc to get NRS version that allows to manually delete recent blocks.

I think it is good to stop thiefs. But this way you ask for should be a "one time solution" otherwise trust in nxt will get destroyed.
By the way are nxt block not like bitcoins blocks ? You can't remove one block out of a chain without completly redo the whole blocks afterwards.

BTW After done one time -> crackers will find a solution to fix this problem. Quick send to other marketplace, switch to bitcoins and transfer them out of market place (Just a Quick though).

That bter got stolen 50M is not a good sign for there security at all :-/
BTW does Account Control or Multisig already exists ?

FireF

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I don't believe that you mange it, to rewind things, if you Do. I believe the nxt community is really powerfull :-)




 
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 09:07:00 am »

I guess if all the big forgers agree that it's the right thing - then it is the right thing.
I have my nxt all leased out (to the charity hub), so can't take action. But I'm with whatever the owner does.

A problem might be other exchanges, that rely on the old blockchain, and now might have double-nxt?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 09:07:08 am »

Was any other cryptos stolen by the hacker
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 09:08:29 am »

If it is the communitys choise to roll back I'm in. How about someone sets up an Account to which we all lease our power to, who can revert it alone? nevermind.

Other exchanged need to be informed or else the thirf can dump
« Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 09:10:53 am by Meizirkki »
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2014, 09:09:06 am »

Roll back.

Vote: https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/roll-back-bter-hack-of-50m-nxt/

BTER shall compensate other exchangers' losses, if any.

(DGEX will not likely lose anything and does not have such interest in this opinion).
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2014, 09:09:54 am »

Marketing disaster. No matter what happens now.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2014, 09:10:23 am »

Contact the exchanges ask them to block nxt trades and leave only 1 open that way the hacker has only 1 road
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2014, 09:10:46 am »

+1 on rollback
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2014, 09:11:12 am »

Marketing disaster. No matter what happens now.

I agree, in all cases this is a disaster for the NXT image...
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2014, 09:11:15 am »

Doing a roll back has consequenses, not only the 50'000'000 will be rolled back, but ALL OTHER transactions as well (I assume).
I really feel for BTER, I do, but is there any way to roll back just this single transactions, and not the other ones?

If there isn't I'm not so sure it is a good idea.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2014, 09:11:43 am »

rollback it, there is no other better way to save bter, but also save the nxt.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2014, 09:11:55 am »

Contact the exchanges ask them to block nxt trades and leave only 1 open that way the hacker has only 1 road

2 roads. They can return the NXT to BTER or leave it where it is, so no one else can get it. Best to rollback if possible.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:17 am »

The thief just registered an alias "TheSir" 3 hours ago: http://www.mynxt.info/blockexplorer/aliases.php?account=1244396688755618309



Alternative solution. Someone contact the thief, tell him to return the vast majority, and we won't do a rollback.

Who knows, maybe it's a whitehat thief who intends to return the money.

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 am »

If it's rolled back, the idea of decentralization is done for. It will be like viacoin. I vote DO NOT roll back, unless it's a NXT bug of course. All NXT has been standing for is done for if rollback is done. Besides, there have been multiple warnings not to keep funds at exchanges.
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