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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1780 on: August 18, 2014, 12:59:26 pm »

Thank you all for your answers. What if the changes are to pos/hallmarking code itself? I mean what if the injected code changes the algorithm on how POS works like giving more weight to nodes with lower stakes?
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« Reply #1781 on: August 18, 2014, 01:14:54 pm »


(although I suppose, that the more nodes you have, the easier it would be to try to inject bad data into the network destabilizing things,
I believe that is what Hallmarking is about. Hallmarking associates a NXT balance with a peer. The higher the balance, the more other peers will trust it. Thus creating trusted peers is expensive.

(In practice, not many people seem to bother hallmarking their nodes, perhaps because the Hallmarking process is relatively complex. You have to edit config files. I had it working on my public node, then its IP address changed so it broke, and it took me two or three attempts to get it working again.)

It was relatively easy for me but I see what you saying about the configs as they also need to be updated on each upgrade
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1782 on: August 18, 2014, 01:19:18 pm »

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It was relatively easy for me but I see what you saying about the configs as they also need to be updated on each upgrade

don't modify the default-configs (create additional files as explained in the default-configs comments) - then you don't need to change anything after updating

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« Reply #1783 on: August 18, 2014, 02:30:28 pm »

(In practice, not many people seem to bother hallmarking their nodes, perhaps because the Hallmarking process is relatively complex. You have to edit config files. I had it working on my public node, then its IP address changed so it broke, and it took me two or three attempts to get it working again.)

It was relatively easy for me but I see what you saying about the configs as they also need to be updated on each upgrade
As LiQio said, you're probably editing the wrong file. In my case my node changed IP address, which required a new hallmark, and for some reason the copy and paste of it didn't work. It'd be easier if there were an API to set it.

Thank you all for your answers. What if the changes are to pos/hallmarking code itself? I mean what if the injected code changes the algorithm on how POS works like giving more weight to nodes with lower stakes?
Injected code? I thought you were just changing the code on your own nodes. How are you changing the algorithm used by other people's nodes? There's no way to do that over the Nxt protocol.

You can change the rules for your own nodes, but if you change anything important your blocks won't be accepted by other people's nodes. You'll be running on a fork.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1784 on: August 18, 2014, 03:42:38 pm »

(In practice, not many people seem to bother hallmarking their nodes, perhaps because the Hallmarking process is relatively complex. You have to edit config files. I had it working on my public node, then its IP address changed so it broke, and it took me two or three attempts to get it working again.)

It was relatively easy for me but I see what you saying about the configs as they also need to be updated on each upgrade
As LiQio said, you're probably editing the wrong file. In my case my node changed IP address, which required a new hallmark, and for some reason the copy and paste of it didn't work. It'd be easier if there were an API to set it.

Thank you all for your answers. What if the changes are to pos/hallmarking code itself? I mean what if the injected code changes the algorithm on how POS works like giving more weight to nodes with lower stakes?
Injected code? I thought you were just changing the code on your own nodes. How are you changing the algorithm used by other people's nodes? There's no way to do that over the Nxt protocol.

You can change the rules for your own nodes, but if you change anything important your blocks won't be accepted by other people's nodes. You'll be running on a fork.

Yes, the changed code will only be on my nodes.  I see. So if I keep sending bad blocks, I will be blacklisted on the good nodes. I will read up a bit more :-)

thanks a lot

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1785 on: August 18, 2014, 04:23:00 pm »

Is anyone still running the forked client?  If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.   :)
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1786 on: August 18, 2014, 04:28:40 pm »

Is anyone still running the forked client?  If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.   :)

Those are actually not that bad, I see someone running 0.5.5 :)
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1787 on: August 18, 2014, 04:30:09 pm »

Is anyone still running the forked client?  If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.   :)

Those are actually not that bad, I see someone running 0.5.5 :)

hard to believe, but true! lol
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« Reply #1788 on: August 18, 2014, 04:33:39 pm »

Is anyone still running the forked client?  If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.   :)

Those are actually not that bad, I see someone running 0.5.5 :)

hard to believe, but true! lol

Yeah, that's our Nxt Encino Man, he's going to thaw in 20 years and be a millionaire.
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1789 on: August 18, 2014, 04:42:48 pm »

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1790 on: August 18, 2014, 04:43:12 pm »

Is anyone still running the forked client?  If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.   :)
Those are actually not that bad, I see someone running 0.5.5 :)
I got you beat! I see an 0.4.7e with a weight of 104 as one of my peers.

Gotta give that one credit for determination (or scorn for laziness :D )

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1791 on: August 18, 2014, 04:57:23 pm »

Does the network not reject peers older than a certain version?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1792 on: August 18, 2014, 05:05:42 pm »

So... has Bter already mentioned when trading/withdrawals will be active again?


i would to know it too!? The hacker has returned all nxt now?
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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1793 on: August 18, 2014, 08:16:41 pm »

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1794 on: September 28, 2014, 07:10:54 pm »

I got you beat! I see an 0.4.7e with a weight of 104 as one of my peers.

How can this run... at all ?

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1795 on: September 28, 2014, 07:37:06 pm »

I got you beat! I see an 0.4.7e with a weight of 104 as one of my peers.

How can this run... at all ?

Prolly as nonforging node

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Re: Forgers have been faced with a choice...
« Reply #1796 on: September 29, 2014, 09:29:32 am »

I wouldn't be surprised if it was on a permanent fork. It'd still be useful for relaying transactions, but not for relaying the block-chain.
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