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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1380 on: November 23, 2015, 02:06:23 am »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1381 on: November 23, 2015, 05:07:03 pm »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

The Big Update with pictures of hardware and finally going from "stealth" to Live ye ,, My Guess is they will hold off on that for a couple of weeks.So if you want to get in on the early bird special there will be No update before then.
So they can get your Jinn back at a nice big discount.
So now u have the sweet option to trade in your Jinn that you bought for 0.01412800 btc and now buy Iota with it at 0.00602993btc value but hey don't worry because u made 5x roi in NXT!! so your rich!
(not to mention that BTC was about 1.5x higher at that time but whois counting.)

No the Triangle company isn't doing their Jinn asset holders any favours with this deal that's for Fing sure If they where Iota would be released AFTER the big Jinn update that's coming VERY SOON but instead they ask us to Lube up and Bend Over.

>source< >http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/jinn/<

Please tell me I'm Wrong about this Mr T.

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1382 on: November 23, 2015, 08:25:54 pm »

Crowdsale of IOTA will begin on November 25th at 2 PM UTC.

All details re: JINN:IOTA conversion will come on Wednesday

Can you give a ballpark figure on how much BTC is enough to complete all of IOTA development goals, to fund infrastructure, marketing, other expenses?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1383 on: November 23, 2015, 08:38:42 pm »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

The Big Update with pictures of hardware and finally going from "stealth" to Live ye ,, My Guess is they will hold off on that for a couple of weeks.So if you want to get in on the early bird special there will be No update before then.
So they can get your Jinn back at a nice big discount.
So now u have the sweet option to trade in your Jinn that you bought for 0.01412800 btc and now buy Iota with it at 0.00602993btc value but hey don't worry because u made 5x roi in NXT!! so your rich!
(not to mention that BTC was about 1.5x higher at that time but whois counting.)

No the Triangle company isn't doing their Jinn asset holders any favours with this deal that's for Fing sure If they where Iota would be released AFTER the big Jinn update that's coming VERY SOON but instead they ask us to Lube up and Bend Over.

>source< >http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/jinn/<

Please tell me I'm Wrong about this Mr T.

Then don't trade your Jinn for iota. Problem solved
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1384 on: November 24, 2015, 12:44:29 am »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

We will post general update about Jinn at the announcement, but nothing super exciting yet. This is for 2 reasons:

1. A lot of tests and theory is still ongoing, so tech updates is premature.

2. This IOTA:JINN move is for those who feel more comfortable with cryptographic tokens than a high risk hardware venture. This is the one chance you'll get to make this choice again. We do this not because we have any obligation to do so, but because A LOT of people did not understand what Jinn was. This is not a "i change my mind because Jinn is only at X stage", this is "I change my mind because semiconductor development is not something I understand compared to cryptotokens". It's really that simple. 100% fair for everyone. No matter what the next big Jinn update will show good or bad (depending on your perspective), Jinn is still hardware that will continue to have the same issues that all hardware endeavors have, hence this one time chance.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1385 on: November 24, 2015, 12:51:20 am »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

The Big Update with pictures of hardware and finally going from "stealth" to Live ye ,, My Guess is they will hold off on that for a couple of weeks.So if you want to get in on the early bird special there will be No update before then.
So they can get your Jinn back at a nice big discount.
So now u have the sweet option to trade in your Jinn that you bought for 0.01412800 btc and now buy Iota with it at 0.00602993btc value but hey don't worry because u made 5x roi in NXT!! so your rich!
(not to mention that BTC was about 1.5x higher at that time but whois counting.)

No the Triangle company isn't doing their Jinn asset holders any favours with this deal that's for Fing sure If they where Iota would be released AFTER the big Jinn update that's coming VERY SOON but instead they ask us to Lube up and Bend Over.

>source< >http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/jinn/<

Please tell me I'm Wrong about this Mr T.

I realize that in all likelihood you are just trolling, but so others don't get confused:

1. You keep talking as if we are somehow responsible for the global cryptocurrency trade. You bought JINN tokens with NXT tokens. In NXT tokens you did indeed 5X ROI. How that relates to NXT <> BTC or NXT <> USD or NXT <> RUPEE is not any of our concern. We are not responsible for the global crypto market or how you manage your funds. Take responsibility for your own actions.

2. We warned about all these risks from day 1.

3. Like Achim said: if you don't want to buy IOTA, don't buy IOTA. IOTA is a cryptographical token. I.E. software that has utility, if you do not find this utility valuable, you don't buy it. Simple as that. Again this is about being an adult and making a choice based on your own analysis.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1386 on: November 24, 2015, 04:05:11 am »

We are making progress in every area and at the end of September we will have our first hardware components for testing back from MOSIS. That is what we are *really* excited about, as this will be the first true test that'll enable us to start making some predictions on how long it'll be before we can have a fully functional physical prototype.

Website has been done for awhile now, so as soon as that tutorial is finished and the major bugs ironed out (we're talking days) everything will go from stealth to public, active and ready to roll.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Sorry, you sound like you hiding something. Pity, we are here together. I hope the next test will be much more successful. Good luck.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1387 on: November 24, 2015, 04:08:38 am »

We are making progress in every area and at the end of September we will have our first hardware components for testing back from MOSIS. That is what we are *really* excited about, as this will be the first true test that'll enable us to start making some predictions on how long it'll be before we can have a fully functional physical prototype.

Website has been done for awhile now, so as soon as that tutorial is finished and the major bugs ironed out (we're talking days) everything will go from stealth to public, active and ready to roll.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Sorry, you sound like you hiding something. Pity, we are here together. I hope the next test will be much more successful. Good luck.

I tell him to take responsibility of his own actions and you somehow deduce that I am hiding something? We are not responsible for how he spends his money and we're not hiding that fact.

We have absolutely nothing to hide at all whether testing goes good or bad, we're doing exactly what we set out to do: make a completley new kind of technology, the tests are stepping stones so we perceive all results as good as they teach us more.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1388 on: November 24, 2015, 08:54:11 am »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

We will post general update about Jinn at the announcement, but nothing super exciting yet. This is for 2 reasons:

1. A lot of tests and theory is still ongoing, so tech updates is premature.

2. This IOTA:JINN move is for those who feel more comfortable with cryptographic tokens than a high risk hardware venture. This is the one chance you'll get to make this choice again. We do this not because we have any obligation to do so, but because A LOT of people did not understand what Jinn was. This is not a "i change my mind because Jinn is only at X stage", this is "I change my mind because semiconductor development is not something I understand compared to cryptotokens". It's really that simple. 100% fair for everyone. No matter what the next big Jinn update will show good or bad (depending on your perspective), Jinn is still hardware that will continue to have the same issues that all hardware endeavors have, hence this one time chance.

It's more like YOU change your mind. Take your responsibility too and stop blaming everything on investors.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1389 on: November 24, 2015, 12:35:09 pm »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

We will post general update about Jinn at the announcement, but nothing super exciting yet. This is for 2 reasons:

1. A lot of tests and theory is still ongoing, so tech updates is premature.

2. This IOTA:JINN move is for those who feel more comfortable with cryptographic tokens than a high risk hardware venture. This is the one chance you'll get to make this choice again. We do this not because we have any obligation to do so, but because A LOT of people did not understand what Jinn was. This is not a "i change my mind because Jinn is only at X stage", this is "I change my mind because semiconductor development is not something I understand compared to cryptotokens". It's really that simple. 100% fair for everyone. No matter what the next big Jinn update will show good or bad (depending on your perspective), Jinn is still hardware that will continue to have the same issues that all hardware endeavors have, hence this one time chance.

It's more like YOU change your mind. Take your responsibility too and stop blaming everything on investors.

What are you talking about? Like it says there, clearly, we will provide the general update as promised, but nothing extraordinary. The reasoning has been the same all along, the IOTA:JINN offer was 100% voluntary on our end to give JINN holders who did not understand what JINN was, to get a chance to get something they do understand: cryptographic tokens. It's really that simple and clear cut.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1390 on: November 24, 2015, 02:39:11 pm »

I hope the announcement is used to clarify what jinn exactly is, and what the risks and potential rewards and losses are for investors. At this point the only thing i know is the communication has been poor.
And please dont take this as an offense, if so many people misunderstood it, something was wrong.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1391 on: November 24, 2015, 02:52:17 pm »

I hope the announcement is used to clarify what jinn exactly is, and what the risks and potential rewards and losses are for investors. At this point the only thing i know is the communication has been poor.
And please dont take this as an offense, if so many people misunderstood it, something was wrong.

It will. However anyone that read the "Reality check" post should already have an extensive comprehension of EXACTLY what Jinn and JINN is and the risks involved. As for the poor communication I think you are alluding to the lack of constant updates, sadly this was a lesson that was learned through this experience. Every time you post an update = people will pump regardless, which leaves you in a situation where most don't even know what they bought, they just bought the hype that we had nothing to do with. So we were forced to stop giving updates regularly as we became inundated with PMs and msgs from people who had bought JINN and not understood what it was and was constantly wondering why 'development was so slow', when in reality anyone that has actually paid any attention to what Jinn is would know that this is a hardware project for extremely unorthodox tech, meaning postponements etc is 100% inevitable.

So in summary: Update will come and anyone considering a future AE endeavour should take these lessons and reconsider.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1392 on: November 24, 2015, 09:08:37 pm »


 As for the poor communication I think you are alluding to the lack of constant updates

Ive always been ok with the updates, i think it was clear it is best to dont give too much info to outsiders. I meant more how everyone was confused (me included) about what JINN is.
I would say more of 90% of the holders thought  3 months ago that buying 1% of JINN gives you 1% of future profits of the project, sales or sell of the "company".
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1393 on: November 25, 2015, 10:02:51 am »

Could we get an update on the progress of Jinn so we can make an educated decision as far as trading JINN tokens for IOTA?

+1 the same question.

The Big Update with pictures of hardware and finally going from "stealth" to Live ye ,, My Guess is they will hold off on that for a couple of weeks.So if you want to get in on the early bird special there will be No update before then.
So they can get your Jinn back at a nice big discount.
So now u have the sweet option to trade in your Jinn that you bought for 0.01412800 btc and now buy Iota with it at 0.00602993btc value but hey don't worry because u made 5x roi in NXT!! so your rich!
(not to mention that BTC was about 1.5x higher at that time but whois counting.)

No the Triangle company isn't doing their Jinn asset holders any favours with this deal that's for Fing sure If they where Iota would be released AFTER the big Jinn update that's coming VERY SOON but instead they ask us to Lube up and Bend Over.

>source< >http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/jinn/<

Please tell me I'm Wrong about this Mr T.

I realize that in all likelihood you are just trolling, but so others don't get confused:

1. You keep talking as if we are somehow responsible for the global cryptocurrency trade. You bought JINN tokens with NXT tokens. In NXT tokens you did indeed 5X ROI. How that relates to NXT <> BTC or NXT <> USD or NXT <> RUPEE is not any of our concern. We are not responsible for the global crypto market or how you manage your funds. Take responsibility for your own actions.

2. We warned about all these risks from day 1.

3. Like Achim said: if you don't want to buy IOTA, don't buy IOTA. IOTA is a cryptographical token. I.E. software that has utility, if you do not find this utility valuable, you don't buy it. Simple as that. Again this is about being an adult and making a choice based on your own analysis.

Wouldn't it be better to move Jinn away from the ever declining currency of Nxt and change all Jinn into a crypto currency that's separate from Iota.
I for one don't want to sell off my Jinn for the Pittance that's offerd right now into Iota especially with the big "stealth" to live move coming up.
I'm annoyed that instead of doing that first, Iota is released with Jinn still in stealth and with its value at an all time low that could instantly change when the pictures website and the rest of the info is presented to the public.

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All I have to say here is marketcap take a look at that and then try and convince yourself again u gave everyone 5x roi.
You have stated this repeatedly now and to me it makes you look dishonest.
It might be 5x in nxt but in Every other currency it has massively declined.
It want your mistake to sell tokens in Nxt Not ours.

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I'm not complaining about the risks If Jinn happens to fail ill take my loss and think no more about it.
I'm complaining about they way you present things.

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It has nothing to do with being an adult or not , its about they way things are run.
You have been promising to go "live" from stealth for a long time now "Few days"  "Very soon" this is from months ago Now all of a sudden you stop saying few days very soon and start saying things like you knew its High Risk right before you offer us this "deal" to trade our Jinn for Iota when your recent announcements and lack there off dropped the price lower then its ever been (yes I know not in nxt but in BTC value and that will be the Value it will be traded for Iota so in my humble opinion that is pretty relevant.)


I will buy some Iota but I sure as shit wont be buying it with Jinn that's for sure.




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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1394 on: November 25, 2015, 01:05:28 pm »

Wouldn't it be better to move Jinn away from the ever declining currency of Nxt and change all Jinn into a crypto currency that's separate from Iota.

You don't even know what's being offered, no one does. You will all know in ~1hour. Maybe hold off on the unproductive complaints based on nothing but vacuous speculation until then as informed?

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I for one don't want to sell off my Jinn for the Pittance that's offerd right now into Iota especially with the big "stealth" to live move coming up.
I'm annoyed that instead of doing that first, Iota is released with Jinn still in stealth and with its value at an all time low that could instantly change when the pictures website and the rest of the info is presented to the public.

As explained before, this offer is not meant to substitute JINN due to Nxt declining in value vs other currencies, it's meant as a way for all of those who do not like long term hardware risk / Do not understand what JINN is to get a way out in the event they may have made a bad decision based on hype, not facts. 

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All I have to say here is marketcap take a look at that and then try and convince yourself again u gave everyone 5x roi.
You have stated this repeatedly now and to me it makes you look dishonest.
It might be 5x in nxt but in Every other currency it has massively declined.

Please explain to me how this has anything to do with us? How are we responsible for the cryptomarket? If you lived in the US and bought something in USD, this thing 5Xs in USD, then the USD crashes vs the EURO. Is this the fault of the guy who sold you something in USD? No, of course not. You act as if we run the world economy or something, if we did we would not ask for crowdfunding :)
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I'm not complaining about the risks If Jinn happens to fail ill take my loss and think no more about it.
I'm complaining about they way you present things.

Sure you are allowed to hold your opinion, but so far your entire argumet boils down to: "Why aren't you God and make me rich by boosting the coins I happen to hold?"

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It has nothing to do with being an adult or not , its about they way things are run.
You have been promising to go "live" from stealth for a long time now "Few days"  "Very soon" this is from months ago Now all of a sudden you stop saying few days very soon and start saying things like you knew its High Risk right before you offer us this "deal" to trade our Jinn for Iota when your recent announcements and lack there off dropped the price lower then its ever been (yes I know not in nxt but in BTC value and that will be the Value it will be traded for Iota so in my humble opinion that is pretty relevant.)

Yes, this decision was made once we realized that we had to make IOTA for the IoT vision to come true. As we kept getting inundated with messages from people who clearly did not understand what JINN was, we decided that this was an opportunity to offer these people something familiar as a 'way out' of their own mistake with a win-win for both sides. Of course we were not going to release more juicy info until this was then done, as it would just inevitably lead to the same thing that caused this problem in the first place: baseless speculation and speculators pumping for their own gain, meaning more people being confused.

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I will buy some Iota but I sure as shit wont be buying it with Jinn that's for sure.

100% Fine by us
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1395 on: November 25, 2015, 02:29:02 pm »

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1396 on: November 25, 2015, 02:34:14 pm »

For all JINN holders who want to swap IOTA/JINN: https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/iota-jinn/
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1397 on: November 25, 2015, 04:21:52 pm »

For the people who swaps jinn for iota, it doesn't necessarily mean they didn't understand what it is. It could be that they don't believe it will succeed.
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« Reply #1398 on: November 25, 2015, 05:35:09 pm »

For the people who swaps jinn for iota, it doesn't necessarily mean they didn't understand what it is. It could be that they don't believe it will succeed.

Sure, that is entirely their decision to make. But the spirit of the offer is mainly targeted at those that did not understand what they bought, to give them a way out. But it's really a win-win-win situation for those who were mislead by dishonest speculators, those who lost faith/see more potential in IOTA and us. So it's all good:)
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1399 on: December 09, 2015, 11:08:40 pm »

http://www.jinnlabs.com/

Is not working for some time now, whats going on?

EDIT: even on archive.org i can only find one snapshot from 2014 with relevant information.
Where do i have to go to find Information about JINN?
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