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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1000 on: January 25, 2015, 11:00:30 pm »

if i may ask, how many units do you used and how they are wired?

19683, but it's just a magic number (3^9). Links are not constant, every node may connect to any peer, unintentional loops are possible.

you should consider to design a complete associative machine based on this.
you could store code in standard associative matrices and data into a special one.
loop those chains to get something like a associative computation unit (acu).

it would be a new kind of computing with some remarkable features e.g. no virus, no spyware,
extremly secure, very fault tolerant, selfreplicating (similar to a data tape for cellular automata).

a system like this would be very domain specific at the beginning but could expand, learn and
evolve over time. it would also have a very nice feature >> pattern recognition.

i have a nice usage scenario for blazing fast pattern recognition. ;D

edit: it would also able to detect partial pattern, pattern nearing it's completness e.g. pretty usefull.

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1001 on: January 25, 2015, 11:09:55 pm »

CfB, I remember talking with you about Qubic months ago.  Do I remember correctly that it is your intention to issue the supply of Qubic as an airdrop to existing active NXT holders dependent on their stake?

FIFY

What do you mean by "active"?

Well it's up to CFB, but I would say active members of the community, not the guy sitting on 50Mil Nxt.

What makes you think that large stakeholders aren't active in the community?

Nothing, I know several large stakeholders are active, but many are inactive and noncontributing.  The only way to find out is to put out a call for action, requiring Nxt holders to do something proactive to collect their Qubic for example.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1002 on: January 25, 2015, 11:10:52 pm »

you should consider to design a complete associative machine based on this.
you could store code in standard associative matrices and data into a special one.
loop those chains to get something like a associative computation unit (acu).

it would be a new kind of computing with some remarkable features e.g. no virus, no spyware,
extremly secure, very fault tolerant, selfreplicating (similar to a data tape for cellular automata).

a system like this would be very domain specific at the beginning but could expand, learn and
evolve over time. it would also have a very nice feature >> patter recognition.

i have a nice usage scenario for blazing fast patter recognition. ;D

Aye.

I expected to get something similar to collective memory (it's quite logical) when was designing Jinn, but the result has some properties that I didn't predict. I'm quite overloaded with opened possibilities* and don't know what direction to choose in the first place. I can't move in all directions simultaneously.

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* - Their number keeps growing every day, most recent was truly atomic cross-trades.
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« Reply #1003 on: January 25, 2015, 11:11:41 pm »

No. But Nxt (or EGOLD, or Dogecoin) can move to Qubic themselves. Qubic is a tech, not a particular cryptocoin.

Individually or Collectively?
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« Reply #1004 on: January 25, 2015, 11:13:38 pm »

Individually or Collectively?

Collectively. You need to move a whole economic cluster.
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« Reply #1005 on: January 25, 2015, 11:14:58 pm »

you should consider to design a complete associative machine based on this.
you could store code in standard associative matrices and data into a special one.
loop those chains to get something like a associative computation unit (acu).

it would be a new kind of computing with some remarkable features e.g. no virus, no spyware,
extremly secure, very fault tolerant, selfreplicating (similar to a data tape for cellular automata).

a system like this would be very domain specific at the beginning but could expand, learn and
evolve over time. it would also have a very nice feature >> patter recognition.

i have a nice usage scenario for blazing fast patter recognition. ;D

Aye.

I expected to get something similar to collective memory (it's quite logical) when was designing Jinn, but the result has some properties that I didn't predict. I'm quite overloaded with opened possibilities* and don't know what direction to choose in the first place. I can't move in all directions simultaneously.

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* - Their number keeps growing every day, most recent was truly atomic cross-trades.

do you derive this behaviour due to ternary instead binary encoding (increasing switch complexity) ?
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« Reply #1006 on: January 25, 2015, 11:18:52 pm »

do you derive this behaviour due to ternary instead binary encoding (increasing switch complexity) ?

It's consequences of Distributed Computing. Trinary doesn't give much benefits, Merkle trees are just shorter and Bloom filters are a little bit smarter.
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« Reply #1007 on: January 25, 2015, 11:35:30 pm »

do you derive this behaviour due to ternary instead binary encoding (increasing switch complexity) ?

It's consequences of Distributed Computing. Trinary doesn't give much benefits, Merkle trees are just shorter and Bloom filters are a little bit smarter.

thx for sharing those infos. it seems you are still crypto bounded with this tech, which is fine but there is much more in this.
however, i am still burried with standard tasks but as soon this is done and AI/ML is needed i plan to test some networks
based on ternary logic. i have found some interesting behaviour just with some simple random binary networks(NK2).
it seems they could be used to identify and perhaps even forecast the level of chaos within timeseries (cycle/attractor measurements).

would be interesting to compare this with a random ternary (layered) network. will pass results to you as soon i have some. perhaps usefull.
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« Reply #1008 on: January 26, 2015, 05:19:01 pm »

hidden enough to store sensitive (non public) data but not as hidden it still can serves its function?

No, I call it "hidden" because these data and code are not shared with new peers explicitly. Peers that observed the previous transaction still can memorize the data and the code and publish it somewhere outside of the protocol. The system "forgets" some information because old peers leave the network and new peers join it without knowing all the details.

Edit: Even if data and code can't be really hidden we still get such a bonus as saved bandwidth and storage. Peers don't need to share "hidden" part, it will be shared only once when a transaction takes place.

Eureka!

15 minutes ago my subconsciousness handed over a solution of the problem to my consciousness. Looks like when I analyzed your question the subconsciousness started working on the problem trying to solve it.

The answer should be:

It's possible to store some* data/code in such a manner that it will be hidden until a "spending" transaction happens. And this doesn't depend on nodes that may or may not "forget" something.

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* - Such data can be a seed for a lottery, for example; the fact that someone organized a lottery can't be hidden but the winning sequence can. In a general case - we can hide details that can be changed.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1009 on: January 26, 2015, 10:45:40 pm »

http://www.jinnlabs.com/ seems to be down
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1010 on: January 27, 2015, 08:02:30 am »

Update:

Alright, time for an update.

I'll begin with the obstacles we've faced this past month and then go over into the good news:

We had assembled quite a powerful and capable team (or so we thought) back in November. The software section was taken care of, the hardware engineers were on board and everything was going smoothly. But of course, as always in reality, hurdles appear. Sadly we had to switch electrical engineers as the ones we had hired were constantly missing dates, postponing, language difficulties and conflict of interests. So a decision had to be made and that decision was to part ways with them and move onto new ones. Of course this was something that had been anticipated since day 1, my experience in business has lead me to always consider plan B, C and D. Fortunately the arrangement had been made such a way that this did not affect us in any big way. We didn't lose a single dollar and no intellectual property was lost. The only thing that was lost were some time.

Thankfully this turned out to be a blessing in disguise as we now have a much more dedicated and passionate team which is hard at work to make Jinn all it should be. It also taught us a lesson in being a lot more strict with our communication protocols. Remote working is a constant balance between trust, reliability and responsibility. So in summary: some lessons were l(earned) and a little time lost, but ultimately it didn't affect us in any significant way, and actually is looking to turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

Now our software department is still going strong and has been extremely dedicated to the project from day 1. The Abra compiler is en route to be finished in early Feb, which means Jiniri Unlimited will follow closely thereafter.

Our sponge function (SaM) is being reviewed and tested. We will soon launch a competition and make it open to crack for reward for everyone, so if there are any aspiring cryptographers here, sign up!

We have also begun assembling a team to begin work on Qubic. Qubic will remain quite elusive and short on public detail until it's being implemented, but rest assured it is being worked on.

Aftermath beta release is dependent on alpha testers, so if anyone wants to sign up for this, please let us know in PMs and we will give you the additional info needed.

A complete website will be released together with Jiniri in the first half of Februrary.

Jinn CPU will be extremely innovative, more so than just the ternary part. I wish I could share more, but that would be stupid from a business POV.
We are planning to host an IoT competition once Jinn prototypes is done, so that we can start getting product designers and hobbyists to use Jinn from day 1. So if anyone here is into DIY-electronics or gadget building, keep an eye on this. If you already have something in mind, feel free to send a PM with any info/questions regarding your project and how it relates to Jinn. More public info will come soon.

Also since this came up as a brilliant idea that seemed to garner quite a lot of interest: everyone that was interested in buying the historical prototypes and circuit boards etc. : please send me a PM, so that I can compile a list of people that are interested in reserving a spot. Pricing etc. is not available at this time, so it'll be more general. Any excess will be offered via the Nxt Marketplace.



Also I want to, yet again, touch on why we don't give indepth updates often: Having out in the open discussions about all of these things is unheard of in the start-up industry, and that is for plenty of reasons: it affects hiring process, venture capitalist evaluations, legalities, competitive edge and so on. So in an effort to avoid shooting ourselves in our foot, we will take the appropriate measures to prevent this. I know everyone wants as much info as possible and as often as possible, but in reality it's just not doable at all times, since it greatly affects our work process in return for absolutely nothing in regards to actually succeeding.

Instead we'll ask everyone who holds Jinn tokens to give us their contact information (we'll need this in preparation for the legal transfer of profit-shares in the near future anyway) where we'll answer more intricate questions, without opening ourselves up for scruitiny from every angle imaginable in public. *Edit: more info will come on this in a week or two. You'll be be sent a message on the blockchain as well as this topic being updated*

Last but not least: if you are a developer that wants to be one of the first to build something on Jiniri, please contact via PM.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1011 on: January 27, 2015, 09:16:31 am »

Update:

Alright, time for an update.
[update]

Cool. And I rather see jinnlabs keep the trade secret a secret until we are up and running :)
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1012 on: January 27, 2015, 09:32:23 am »

It's still possible to track progress via GitHub. Maybe I should stop updating it...
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1013 on: January 27, 2015, 11:17:50 am »

Instead we'll ask everyone who holds Jinn tokens to give us their contact information (we'll need this in preparation for the legal transfer of profit-shares in the near future anyway) where we'll answer more intricate questions, without opening ourselves up for scruitiny from every angle imaginable in public.

What information do you need exactly?  Send PM?
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« Reply #1014 on: January 27, 2015, 12:04:21 pm »

Instead we'll ask everyone who holds Jinn tokens to give us their contact information (we'll need this in preparation for the legal transfer of profit-shares in the near future anyway) where we'll answer more intricate questions, without opening ourselves up for scruitiny from every angle imaginable in public.

What information do you need exactly?  Send PM?

Ah should've added more explanation: it's not needed at this moment, I'll post an official explanation for why and so on and then send this message out to all holders of Jinn tokens. So check back in a week or two on this matter.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1015 on: January 27, 2015, 12:19:51 pm »

It's still possible to track progress via GitHub. Maybe I should stop updating it...

Please do it. Business field is like the battle field. Survival comes to the first.
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« Reply #1016 on: January 27, 2015, 12:37:42 pm »

Instead we'll ask everyone who holds Jinn tokens to give us their contact information (we'll need this in preparation for the legal transfer of profit-shares in the near future anyway) where we'll answer more intricate questions, without opening ourselves up for scruitiny from every angle imaginable in public.

What information do you need exactly?  Send PM?

Ah should've added more explanation: it's not needed at this moment, I'll post an official explanation for why and so on and then send this message out to all holders of Jinn tokens. So check back in a week or two on this matter.

So where is Jinn legally based? Will the EU and the countries in it know we are shareholders of this company?
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« Reply #1017 on: January 27, 2015, 02:39:23 pm »

Really curious about how providing information and distribution of profits (and/or the sale of the entire enterprise) will be affecting US persons - as I understand it, JINN will have issues with the SEC.

We've talked about this before, but, is there a plan (or anything) in place regarding those problems and issues? Should Americans simply not participate (not an issue for me personally, but a potential issue for many I'm sure!)

I'm still unsure if the problems will only be towards JINN or if the problems will also extend to the actual recipients of the profits - does the SEC care only about the "company" or the persons also receiving funds from a non-registered entity?

I think these are important questions to look into, no? I wish this was not a problem, but I believe it will be something many have to deal with - JINN included!

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1018 on: January 27, 2015, 04:16:06 pm »

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« Reply #1019 on: January 27, 2015, 07:24:02 pm »



“I will answer very simply that the internet will disappear,”  - Eric Schmidt.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-chief-eric-schmidt-the-internet-will-disappear-2015-1#ixzz3Q3FPAkRB
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