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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #920 on: January 23, 2015, 05:01:41 pm »

I noticed an interesting phenomenon. A network of Jinn processors has collective memory that can store information in a holographic manner. Dunno how to utilize this though...
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #921 on: January 23, 2015, 05:35:08 pm »

Explain a holographic manner... :/
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #922 on: January 23, 2015, 05:53:55 pm »

Explain a holographic manner... :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_data_storage

Network of Jinns doesn't work the same way but has similar properties. Network may become fragmented but information will still be stored with some (but not all) knowledge lost. The bonus is in compression rate. Bitcoin blockchain would be shrinked from 26 Gb to several hundreds Mb.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #923 on: January 23, 2015, 06:01:55 pm »

Explain a holographic manner... :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_data_storage

Network of Jinns doesn't work the same way but has similar properties. Network may become fragmented but information will still be stored with some (but not all) knowledge lost. The bonus is in compression rate. Bitcoin blockchain would be shrinked from 26 Gb to several hundreds Mb.

Have Jinn contact Ethereum about potential use of Jinn Processor?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #924 on: January 23, 2015, 06:05:36 pm »

Have Jinn contact Ethereum about potential use of Jinn Processor?

No, they target 12 secs between blocks while compression requires much more time. It depends on data propagation time and can't provide 100% lossless compression. It's like a piece of a hologram. You can cut 50% off and still keep the whole image but it will be more blurred.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #925 on: January 23, 2015, 06:10:16 pm »

So Jinn is the solution for blockchain pruning in NXT?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #926 on: January 23, 2015, 06:17:47 pm »

So Jinn is the solution for blockchain pruning in NXT?

Jinn creates a snapshot of the state of a system and provides a way of keeping the snapshot unchanged even under attacks of rogue entities (including those who own Jinn processors too). Theoretically Jinn-powered network can do a snapshop of Nxt once a week, in this case we'll get something like a rolling blockchain that will be only one week old.

Frankly saying, it's not magic but Sybil attack protection embedded into Jinn networking suite.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #927 on: January 23, 2015, 06:18:39 pm »

Basically JPEG image compression for data :D
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #928 on: January 23, 2015, 06:19:53 pm »

Basically JPEG image compression for data :D

No, the only common thing is loss of information over time. 1 second after a snapshot is taken 100% of the information is kept.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #929 on: January 23, 2015, 06:31:43 pm »

Here is another example of advantage of collective memory usage:

Naive hash-based signature reduced from 8192 to 64 bytes. More than 99% compression.

Edit: It opens a lot of new ways of handling data. This has just come to my mind - nodes that process smart contracts may recover correct state even if some bugs present in software. Lightweight clients become trivial, because they don't need to validate blockchain. So on and so forth...
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #930 on: January 23, 2015, 06:41:35 pm »

Here is another example of advantage of collective memory usage:

Naive hash-based signature reduced from 8192 to 64 bytes. More than 99% compression.

Edit: It opens a lot of new ways of handling data. This has just come to my mind - nodes that process smart contracts may recover correct state even if some bugs present in software. Lightweight clients become trivial, because they don't need to validate blockchain. So on and so forth...

okay, buying more Jinn now.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #931 on: January 23, 2015, 07:04:38 pm »

okay, buying more Jinn now.

You should also sell IBM and Samsung shares.  :D
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #932 on: January 23, 2015, 07:24:46 pm »

okay, buying more Jinn now.

You should also sell IBM and Samsung shares.  :D

I'm buying more Jinn with the money I make shorting IBM and Samsung.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #933 on: January 23, 2015, 07:53:25 pm »

I noticed an interesting phenomenon. A network of Jinn processors has collective memory that can store information in a holographic manner. Dunno how to utilize this though...

Could it have any similarity with what happens in the Nature, when two Qubits acquire the same state under superposition? It sounds rather similar for me... I can't explain it in technical jargon, but I feel the coincidences...

If the answer is positive, then the applications may approach to the quantum computing uses? :S

Maybe I am divagating too much...
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #934 on: January 23, 2015, 07:56:24 pm »

Could it have any similarity with what happens in the Nature, when two Qubits acquire the same state under superposition? It sounds rather similar for me... I can't explain it in technical jargon, but I feel the coincidences...

If the answer is positive, then the applications may approach to the quantum computing uses? :S

Maybe I am divagating too much...

No, it's not similar to quantum superposition.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #935 on: January 23, 2015, 07:59:36 pm »

Could it have any similarity with what happens in the Nature, when two Qubits acquire the same state under superposition? It sounds rather similar for me... I can't explain it in technical jargon, but I feel the coincidences...

If the answer is positive, then the applications may approach to the quantum computing uses? :S

Maybe I am divagating too much...

No, it's not similar to quantum superposition.

Ok, my apologies for my ignorance... What uses may it have then?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #936 on: January 23, 2015, 08:08:25 pm »

Ok, my apologies for my ignorance... What uses may it have then?

It can be used for double-spending prevention, for example.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #937 on: January 23, 2015, 08:15:15 pm »

Ok, my apologies again (because maybe my next question may sound really naive):

Could it be possible that the ternary state from a jinn processor helps preventing the degrading of a jpg image, for example? I assume that a jpg image gets degraded because the typical binary processor cannot deal with some parts of the internal information, whilst a ternary processor could?

Please don't be so hard with me... I am just trying to understand  ??? ???
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #938 on: January 23, 2015, 08:19:54 pm »

Could it be possible that the ternary state from a jinn processor helps preventing the degrading of a jpg image, for example?

Very little (depending on hardware).
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #939 on: January 23, 2015, 08:42:53 pm »

The nice thing about Jin code is that it will work for quantum computers as the "true, false, unknown" boolean value set is pretty much the same thing as the quantum bit set in which a single bit can represent 1 of 3 possible values rather than 1 of 2 like a normal bit.

In fact, tertiary computing methods will be in very high demand once quantum processors become wide spread. I would personally recommend working on a tertiary hard drive rather than a processor because once quantum processors become widespread, there will still be a need for such hardware to work with quantum bits. It would really be cool if you guys could make a quantum hard drive but it would still be profitable to simply make tertiary hard drive for use with quantum processors BEFORE the release of quantum hard drives as I am sure they are already in the making but likely won't be made for personal size computers for at least a couple years AFTER quantum processors are so there will be demand for something that stores data in quantum bits.

In keeping with your theme of triangles, you could actually make a tiangular semi-SSD chip which can store a lot of data in a small space using very little electricity. If make it the size of a typical hard drive, the amount of data it could store would be vast.

Here is basically how it would work: the electrical flow would start at a single three way switch. From there it would be passed to 1 of or 3 more three way switches. Each of these two other switches either sends the flow down a completed circuit or one of two other three way switches. The hard drive stores data by the electrical path that is built by the switches. A path traveling along the left side of the triangle is equivalent to a blank hard drive. One down the middle is equivalent to a hard drive with all "unknown" bits written to it. One down the right side of the triangle is all "true" values. The nice thing about this is that the entire hard drive can be read with a single electrical pulse so it would be supper fast reading speeds. The down side is that writing speeds would be slower the closer to the origin point of the drive a file is being saved. For this reason, it would be ideal to write files from the end to the beginning.

I suppose the writing process could be go faster if the drive wrote duplicate paths on the chip to reflect possible changes at each bit. This for example, when writing the original file, every path in its bit range is changed. If the file is 8 quantum bits long and at the very end of chip, the last 8 switches in every possible circuit are changed to reflect that file no matter what path is chosen. If this method writing is chosen, the files should be stored from the beginning switches so that when one is changed, less duplicate changes have to the switches down other paths.

In reality, files that are changed the least should be stored at the base of the triangle because they require the most circuit changes to made to speed up future writing of files closer to the beginning of the circuit.

Further, a second triangle, I will call it the "address triangle," of an equal amount of binary switches should exist connected to a separate circuit. This triangle is used simply to tell the machine where a file begins and ends. A one is placed on the same layer that the first quantum bit of a file is on the other "storage triangle." Two 1s are also placed at the corresponding locations on the address triangle as the last 2 quantum bits of a file on the storage triangle to indicate where a file ends.

To prevent a bug from writing bad addresses to the address triangle to confuse the machine, the storage triangle cannot be written to by the processor directly and it controls the circuit for writing data to the storage triangle.

To write new fe data to the storage triangle, the processor first tells a special cache in the address triangle where the file is to be placed. The address triangle will either return a "yes" if everything is fine or a "no" if the proposed location would overlap more than one address. Next, the processer tells a special three way switch in the address triangle what the changes should be in order of the beginning of the file to the end of the file. The address triangle reads this and uses the cached data about the location of the file to chose where to write the incoming data to. The address triangle is responsible for making sure that the same data is written to each of the possible circuits so that when one file changes, the rest don't change as well. Once all the data has been written, the address triangle updates its address information with the cached data and then closes its writing circut is broken to prevent further attempts to change the data triangle in other ways.

What do you guys think?
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