Topic: [ANN] Jinn (Read 453410 times)

blackyblack1 · « **Reply #460 on:** September 30, 2014, 11:53:56 am »

Quote from: rlh on September 30, 2014, 11:24:31 am

Quote from: achim on September 30, 2014, 09:25:57 am
Quote from: jabo38 on September 30, 2014, 04:15:58 am
I don't really know much on the technical side. And from what I read, what you are trying to do is kind of crazy impossible and a complete technical revolution. I

Ternary processors have been built in the past, I don't doubt that it is technically possible today, maybe much more efficient than this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setun

The problem with ternary systems isn't technical, it's application.

If an application were to arise that could deeply benefit from ternary logic, while make it easy (relatively speaking) to follow a pathway from binary architecture, to ternary architecture AND if it were profitable, this could "easily" be done.

There are probably plenty of applications that could easily be redesigned to benefit from this architecture but there is currently no profitable pathway to the transition. Ergo, we remain stagnant with development on this front of computing.

I think CfB & Jinn Labs are trying to create a profitable application that can be used to push computers (or, at least many specialized applications) toward the path of ternary logic. This is legitimately the most interesting project that I've seen come from the crypto community and I am hoping for wild success for all of you.

They are compiling to the Jinn assembler from javascript language. So for the programmer the ternary stuff it won't be even visible.

Berry · « **Reply #461 on:** September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm »

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

Jimmy2011 · « **Reply #462 on:** September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm »

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on September 25, 2014, 11:42:16 am

Quote from: curve25519 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:50 am
BCT link please? very interesting project!... but I think the outcome (of project and ipo) is going to be binary, not ternary.
Biggest breakthrough or biggest scam. Dunno which yet

Ternary is still possible if only part of the goals are reached. You forget that Jiniri itself will be a useable product.

You are going to develop Jiniri Limited and Unlimited versions. I'm wondering how much they different from each other. Are they very alike and can be done together? If yes, it means you will work out both versions in November, and you can deliver them at the same time if the team won't consider the business. Of course, you will release the limited version disabled most functions in November, and then release the unlimited version after PoC game is done. On the other hand, the investors may think that the unlimited multi nodes version is more difficult to develop and it is the first risk of the project.

From the website, we know that one of the revenue sources is Jiniri unlimited license. It implied Jiniri multi node emulator can work better even under the regular binary computer cluster, and it has greater speedup factor than the regular distributed computing based on MPI, right?

The last question is about who will need to get the license. Take MMO game for example, say Lith want to collaborate with Jiniri, will Lith development team/company get the license from Triangle, or the end game users need to get the license from Triangle?

Thanks.

Come-from-Beyond · « **Reply #463 on:** September 30, 2014, 05:42:35 pm »

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm

You are going to develop Jiniri Limited and Unlimited versions. I'm wondering how much they different from each other. Are they very alike and can be done together? If yes, it means you will work out both versions in November, and you can deliver them at the same time if the team won't consider the business. Of course, you will release the limited version disabled most functions in November, and then release the unlimited version after PoC game is done. On the other hand, the investors may think that the unlimited multi nodes version is more difficult to develop and it is the first risk of the project.

Unlimited version is more difficult to develop.

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm

From the website, we know that one of the revenue sources is Jiniri unlimited license. It implied Jiniri multi node emulator can work better even under the regular binary computer cluster, and it has greater speedup factor than the regular distributed computing based on MPI, right?

Jiniri Unlimited may work slower on conventional binary equipment, without tests it's hard to say anything for sure. MPI is run natively while Jiniri Unlimited is emulated, on the other hand architecture of Jinn provides simplier communication (comparing to MPI).

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm

The last question is about who will need to get the license. Take MMO game for example, say Lith want to collaborate with Jiniri, will Lith development team/company get the license from Triangle, or the end game users need to get the license from Triangle?

The game operator. It can be the developer or the players. It's the one who hosts game servers.

jabo38 · « **Reply #464 on:** October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am »

Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Triangle · « **Reply #465 on:** October 01, 2014, 02:49:12 am »

Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am

Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Clock is certainly tic tic ticking. Just keep a close eye the sell happens in the near future, some more news will come soon too.

JohnHolmes · « **Reply #466 on:** October 01, 2014, 03:17:22 am »

Quote from: Triangle on October 01, 2014, 02:49:12 am

Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am
Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Clock is certainly tic tic ticking. Just keep a close eye the sell happens in the near future, some more news will come soon too.

I hope wesley posts before you close. Can you confirm you wont close until we hear from him?

I suspect all is well, but just in case I for one would like to hear from wesley before I purchase. I'll be blunt, there is a chance wesley is pulling out for a reason other than his busy schedule, and if that is the case I think future investors should know his thoughts.

Most politicians who retire earlier than expected cite 'family or health reasons', but that's usually a cover story for something else. If wesley is dropping out for another reason other than his time commitment I'd like to know why. He's obviously under no obligation to say anything, but if that's the case then a 'no comment' from wesley would be significant information for potential investors to digest.

I hope you understand my point. I do not want to sound critical of your project, I just want to understand the landscape fully before I invest.

Triangle · « **Reply #467 on:** October 01, 2014, 03:26:29 am »

Quote from: JohnHolmes on October 01, 2014, 03:17:22 am

Quote from: Triangle on October 01, 2014, 02:49:12 am
Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am
Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Clock is certainly tic tic ticking. Just keep a close eye the sell happens in the near future, some more news will come soon too.

I hope wesley posts before you close. Can you confirm you wont close until we hear from him?

I suspect all is well, but just in case I for one would like to hear from wesley before I purchase. I'll be blunt, there is a chance wesley is pulling out for a reason other than his busy schedule, and if that is the case I think future investors should know his thoughts.

Most politicians who retire earlier than expected cite 'family or health reasons', but that's usually a cover story for something else. If wesley is dropping out for another reason other than his time commitment I'd like to know why. He's obviously under no obligation to say anything, but if that's the case then a 'no comment' from wesley would be significant information for potential investors to digest.

I hope you understand my point. I do not want to sound critical of your project, I just want to understand the landscape fully before I invest.

Of course, me and CfB already discussed this. Obviously Wes's departure is purely due to time constraint as we have said, but we understand that everyone wants to be 100% sure when making an investment. Anyone present in any of the NXT Group chats can confirm this too, he is simply that busy these days. He's not even present on Skype. I have told him to make a statement, so he will do that once he has the time to check his skype.

Other than that all is going as planned and Wesley's tasks is being taken care of

EFFV · « **Reply #468 on:** October 01, 2014, 03:28:09 am »

Quote from: JohnHolmes on October 01, 2014, 03:17:22 am

Quote from: Triangle on October 01, 2014, 02:49:12 am
Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am
Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Clock is certainly tic tic ticking. Just keep a close eye the sell happens in the near future, some more news will come soon too.

I hope wesley posts before you close. Can you confirm you wont close until we hear from him?

I suspect all is well, but just in case I for one would like to hear from wesley before I purchase. I'll be blunt, there is a chance wesley is pulling out for a reason other than his busy schedule, and if that is the case I think future investors should know his thoughts.

Most politicians who retire earlier than expected cite 'family or health reasons', but that's usually a cover story for something else. If wesley is dropping out for another reason other than his time commitment I'd like to know why. He's obviously under no obligation to say anything, but if that's the case then a 'no comment' from wesley would be significant information for potential investors to digest.

I hope you understand my point. I do not want to sound critical of your project, I just want to understand the landscape fully before I invest.

I would like to hear from Wesley as well.

When you say the price is 70, where are you getting that number? What is the best block explorer for assets?

JohnHolmes · « **Reply #469 on:** October 01, 2014, 03:36:48 am »

Quote from: Triangle on October 01, 2014, 03:26:29 am

Quote from: JohnHolmes on October 01, 2014, 03:17:22 am
Quote from: Triangle on October 01, 2014, 02:49:12 am
Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 01:34:06 am
Quote from: Berry on September 30, 2014, 03:34:54 pm

Pice of 70 NXT didn´t move since days. And now? Maybe 5% more shares?

It is still 70

Clock is certainly tic tic ticking. Just keep a close eye the sell happens in the near future, some more news will come soon too.

I hope wesley posts before you close. Can you confirm you wont close until we hear from him?

I suspect all is well, but just in case I for one would like to hear from wesley before I purchase. I'll be blunt, there is a chance wesley is pulling out for a reason other than his busy schedule, and if that is the case I think future investors should know his thoughts.

Most politicians who retire earlier than expected cite 'family or health reasons', but that's usually a cover story for something else. If wesley is dropping out for another reason other than his time commitment I'd like to know why. He's obviously under no obligation to say anything, but if that's the case then a 'no comment' from wesley would be significant information for potential investors to digest.

I hope you understand my point. I do not want to sound critical of your project, I just want to understand the landscape fully before I invest.

Of course, me and CfB already discussed this. Obviously Wes's departure is purely due to time constraint as we have said, but we understand that everyone wants to be 100% sure when making an investment. Anyone present in any of the NXT Group chats can confirm this too, he is simply that busy these days. He's not even present on Skype. I have told him to make a statement, so he will do that once he has the time to check his skype.

Other than that all is going as planned and Wesley's tasks is being taken care of

Thank you for that response. I was not aware there was a skype group chat where these things are discussed more publicly. That is more reassuring.

LiQio · « **Reply #470 on:** October 01, 2014, 04:08:33 am »

Quote from: EFFV on October 01, 2014, 03:28:09 am

When you say the price is 70, where are you getting that number?

e.g. here:

Quote from: nexern on September 24, 2014, 01:35:15 pm

http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=4000&switch=10&id=3061160746493230502&p=1

Jimmy2011 · « **Reply #471 on:** October 01, 2014, 05:03:36 am »

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on September 30, 2014, 05:42:35 pm

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm
You are going to develop Jiniri Limited and Unlimited versions. I'm wondering how much they different from each other. Are they very alike and can be done together? If yes, it means you will work out both versions in November, and you can deliver them at the same time if the team won't consider the business. Of course, you will release the limited version disabled most functions in November, and then release the unlimited version after PoC game is done. On the other hand, the investors may think that the unlimited multi nodes version is more difficult to develop and it is the first risk of the project.

Unlimited version is more difficult to develop.

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm
From the website, we know that one of the revenue sources is Jiniri unlimited license. It implied Jiniri multi node emulator can work better even under the regular binary computer cluster, and it has greater speedup factor than the regular distributed computing based on MPI, right?

Jiniri Unlimited may work slower on conventional binary equipment, without tests it's hard to say anything for sure. MPI is run natively while Jiniri Unlimited is emulated, on the other hand architecture of Jinn provides simplier communication (comparing to MPI).

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on September 30, 2014, 04:59:50 pm
The last question is about who will need to get the license. Take MMO game for example, say Lith want to collaborate with Jiniri, will Lith development team/company get the license from Triangle, or the end game users need to get the license from Triangle?

The game operator. It can be the developer or the players. It's the one who hosts game servers.

Thank you CfB for your quick reply.

Jiniri Unlimited may work slower on conventional binary equipment. If it is the true case after test is done, and say further if the later Jinn processor fail, is there any other reasons that we need to use Jiniri Unlimited? Will it be very convenient for coding, developing for MMO game and other application? Is Jiniri Unlimited the valuable product from the business point of view? Of course it has theoretical, academic value.

Sorry for my risk consideration.

Come-from-Beyond · « **Reply #472 on:** October 01, 2014, 06:06:36 am »

Quote from: Jimmy2011 on October 01, 2014, 05:03:36 am

Thank you CfB for your quick reply.

Jiniri Unlimited may work slower on conventional binary equipment. If it is the true case after test is done, and say further if the later Jinn processor fail, is there any other reasons that we need to use Jiniri Unlimited? Will it be very convenient for coding, developing for MMO game and other application? Is Jiniri Unlimited the valuable product from the business point of view? Of course it has theoretical, academic value.

Sorry for my risk consideration.

Jiniri Unlimited will be a complete solution of back-end for MMO-games. Yes, JU is a valuable product.

A binary distributed processor is extremely useful for a lot of uses (including my opus magnum), while a ternary processor that is only able to calculate 2+2 locally is quite useless. We are aiming for a ternary distributed processor of course, but our priority is to create a useful product that will solve a real problem and generate profits.

wesley · « **Reply #473 on:** October 01, 2014, 06:44:04 am »

I just wanted to confirm that I stepped down due to workload and time shortage, there are no other reasons. I still believe in this project.

JohnHolmes · « **Reply #474 on:** October 01, 2014, 07:02:58 am »

Quote from: wesleyh on October 01, 2014, 06:44:04 am

I just wanted to confirm that I stepped down due to workload and time shortage, there are no other reasons. I still believe in this project.

Thank you for posting wesley!

jabo38 · « **Reply #475 on:** October 01, 2014, 11:30:35 am »

Quote from: JohnHolmes on October 01, 2014, 07:02:58 am

Quote from: wesleyh on October 01, 2014, 06:44:04 am
I just wanted to confirm that I stepped down due to workload and time shortage, there are no other reasons. I still believe in this project.

Thank you for posting wesley!

Annnnnnnnnd the price just went up

youyou · « **Reply #476 on:** October 01, 2014, 12:06:58 pm »

Quote from: jabo38 on October 01, 2014, 11:30:35 am

Quote from: JohnHolmes on October 01, 2014, 07:02:58 am
Quote from: wesleyh on October 01, 2014, 06:44:04 am
I just wanted to confirm that I stepped down due to workload and time shortage, there are no other reasons. I still believe in this project.

Thank you for posting wesley!

Annnnnnnnnd the price just went up

yep 75 now and no ask order.

See you at the 100 mark

Fatih87SK · « **Reply #477 on:** October 01, 2014, 12:09:52 pm »

I don't understand how this auction works. Can anyone enlighten me in two sentences?

I see a buy order of 5 pieces for 900 NXT

Lordoftherigs · « **Reply #478 on:** October 01, 2014, 12:10:53 pm »

Are you going to sell all 100k shares in one go or will you only sell amount of shares that corresponds to your desired bid ?

youyou · « **Reply #479 on:** October 01, 2014, 12:14:21 pm »

100k shares will be sold at the price of the 100k th bid.

e.g. if you bid 100 shares at 150 NXT and the ask is at 100, you will obtain 100 shares at 100 NXT

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