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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2014, 07:42:33 pm »

We are working on a language called "Abracadabra" which closely resembles JavaScript (~99% lexical similarity). 

Why a javascript-esque language? Surely most distributed computing would use a lower level language?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2014, 07:44:56 pm »

If any sort of acquisition or exit strategy were to be employed the asset owner will continue to get 10% profit (by contract), be offered buy back at the current value or do a 1:1 transfer to equity. We will never ever sell the company and leave asset holders hanging.

Thanks for confirming this.
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« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2014, 07:49:15 pm »

We are working on a language called "Abracadabra" which closely resembles JavaScript (~99% lexical similarity).

Should you consider a shorter name such as "Abra", Aca" or "Dabra" for easy pronunciation?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2014, 07:49:22 pm »

Why a javascript-esque language? Surely most distributed computing would use a lower level language?

JavaScript is popular and distributed computing doesn't require a low level language.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2014, 07:51:40 pm »

Should you consider a shorter name such as "Abra", Aca" or "Dabra" for easy pronunciation?

Why would I need to pronounce it?
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« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2014, 08:00:13 pm »

Should you consider a shorter name such as "Abra", Aca" or "Dabra" for easy pronunciation?
Why would I need to pronounce it?

I meant when people talk about it, a shorter name would be easier for people to speak and remember the name of the new language.
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« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2014, 08:09:42 pm »

Why a javascript-esque language? Surely most distributed computing would use a lower level language?

JavaScript is popular and distributed computing doesn't require a low level language.

The Jinn web page specifically mentions the 'internet of things' and 'appliances and devices' as potential markets. Those things require a lower level language don't they?
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« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2014, 08:11:14 pm »

I meant when people talk about it, a shorter name would be easier for people to speak and remember the name of the new language.

Ppl will decide themselves how to call it.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2014, 08:12:49 pm »

The Jinn web page specifically mentions the 'internet of things' and 'appliances and devices' as potential markets. Those things require a lower level language don't they?

No.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2014, 08:20:43 pm »

very interested in distributed computing and would buy mucho devices if available.
some questions regarding the hardware:

are hardware specs available?
prototyping fpga based?
ip-core? and if, which type and do you intend to license the core?
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« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2014, 08:26:49 pm »

very interested in distributed computing and would buy mucho devices if available.
some questions regarding the hardware:

are hardware specs available?
prototyping fpga based?
ip-core? and if, which type and do you intend to license the core?

Hardware specs will be available only after we successfully prove that concept is viable (by running the PoC game in the real-world).
Not FPGA nor IP-core, but I can't state this with 100% certainty now.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2014, 08:34:52 pm »

Nice project. Looks very interesting. But I´have a couple of questions.

The assets you will sell are just profit sharing assets right?
You are gonna finish this thing Q4 2015 right?
So the profit will come maybe 2016?
And if you sell the whole company the asset owner will get nothing, but their assets will become worthless, except the buying company decides to give the asset owner a goodwill?

No, profits will start with game and Jiniri Unlimited long before Jinn processor.
If any sort of acquisition or exit strategy were to be employed the asset owner will continue to get 10% profit (by contract), be offered buy back at the current value or do a 1:1 transfer to equity. We will never ever sell the company and leave asset holders hanging.


Alright. I´ll take your word for that.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2014, 08:39:44 pm »

How much of your own money have you put towards this project already?
or is this going to be solely funded through the AE?
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« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2014, 08:46:01 pm »

ok, assuming the concept is viable and you start the hardware design.
since prototyping is quite expensive do you plan to finance this by this ipo or the income from running the game?
( well, the direct question would be how much have you planned to start jinn? )

and a last one, how can i think about this cpu. something like transmeta or more than a soc controlling heavy multicores like parallella?

as said, very interested in distributed computing, so foreseeable hardware would fit perfect with my current project.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2014, 08:51:48 pm »

The Jinn web page specifically mentions the 'internet of things' and 'appliances and devices' as potential markets. Those things require a lower level language don't they?

No.

Well, I'm not exactly an expert but I have some limited experience with embedded electronics and I think that is at best a very dismissive answer. Perhaps there is some reason why this isn't relevant to the use cases you have in mind - perhaps programming the processor for some specific jobs is different from programming the device in general or something like that? That may be the case, but I do know that programming appliance and devices and the internet of things does definitely require a lower level language than Javascript.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2014, 08:56:23 pm »

How much of your own money have you put towards this project already?
or is this going to be solely funded through the AE?

All members has invested tens of thousands of NXT and a few thousand USD, but most of our work is in time and effort thus far, as it will continue to be.
So yes from here on out funding from AE will go towards hiring and R&D, which is why we decided to offer this publically now. If necessary (before reaching our set milestone) we will invest more of our own funds too.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2014, 09:00:45 pm »

I just can´t buy from that Jinn asset in the asset exchange. I don´t know why, I can buy anything except Jinn. Any ideas? (I´ve also tried from the nxt wallet)

It sounds like you are again trying to buy without doing due diligence. Because if you did investigate and read all the available info, you'd know it's not for sale yet.

Yes I read it. You can´t buy but at least you can bid, right?

That´s what I´m seeing at the asset exchange.
Nothing except that. It´s allright that?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #77 on: September 23, 2014, 09:03:40 pm »

Yes I read it. You can´t buy but at least you can bid, right?

Correct.
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« Reply #78 on: September 23, 2014, 09:16:59 pm »

ok, assuming the concept is viable and you start the hardware design.
since prototyping is quite expensive do you plan to finance this by this ipo or the income from running the game?
( well, the direct question would be how much have you planned to start jinn? )

and a last one, how can i think about this cpu. something like transmeta or more than a soc controlling heavy multicores like parallella?

as said, very interested in distributed computing, so foreseeable hardware would fit perfect with my current project.

I can't answer financial questions, here is the answer on the technical one:

Jinn is an assymetrical system. It has a lot of cores that solve tactical/local tasks and a few cores that solve strategical/global tasks. Local tasks is just number crunching, global tasks is balancing of local tasks among other processors. The ultimate goal of global tasks is to minimize latency of local tasks communication. The interesting feature of this architecture is that global tasks can be computed by small cores leading to an effect similar to fractals. Several processors can be considered as local tasks and few of them can solve balancing problems only. Such groups of processors can be grouped into bigger clusters, then into metaclusters and so forth, repeating the fractals. In the end we get a lot of processors in usual things around as (fridge, bike, pen -> Internet of Things) that behave as a classical computer when cooperate on solving the same task.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2014, 09:22:48 pm »

Why only 10%? how much money are you trying to raise? how did you calculate that? is that a seed round? where the product stand? do you guys have a business plan?

My concern as potential investor is that you will raise a lot of money, and when you multiply it by x10 (as 10%) you will get an unrealistic value for your project;
Plus the I really don't like the dutch auction idea - its not being friendly towards the initial investors instead of encouraging them;


For now i'll wait to see the value after the IPO and maybe join in few month after as the idea sounds interesting (checking it with some people from the industry) and the people behind it seems to be quite skilled :)
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