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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1300 on: October 22, 2015, 10:23:54 am »

but it's a win-win for everyone involved and so it's a no-brainer for us.

could you explain who win what?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1301 on: October 22, 2015, 10:33:44 am »

but it's a win-win for everyone involved and so it's a no-brainer for us.

could you explain who win what?

Please let me explain:

It's important to understand
This is just brutal reality
JINN tokens are *high risk*
This might be sobering news
Thanks for support the Jinn, it's nice!
There are also some good news
Go to alternative, enter to Iota!
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1302 on: October 22, 2015, 10:40:34 am »

UPDATE

 JINN tokens are *high risk* and do not represent equity in Jinn.





So,Could you clarify simply:
What's JINN token stand for? and what's the difference between JINN token and IOTA token?

JINN = Jinn processor and Jiniri emulator sales


IOTA = completely separate micro-transactions token
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1303 on: October 22, 2015, 10:45:26 am »

It seems the only answer that really makes sense is in fact what he claims. Giving Jinn holders who maybe bought under the wrong expectation of quick profits a chance at a more traditional crypto investment which is a new coin. But I am still having a hard time because what will Triangle do with these buyback Jinns? And again, what exchange rate can the swap occur at? Jinn's volatile price makes bitcoin price look stable.

Nobody can ever really know if someone on the internet is honest or not but I am inclined to believe CFB and David are honest. So that leads me to conclude either they have a real belief in the success of Jinn and wouldn't mind getting some Jinn asset back. Or they really are offering this out of some sort of fairness obligation that they really don't have to do. Even having said I feel they are honest, its still hard to believe the latter in this day and age.

I understand and welcome skepticism in all aspects of life, but to put this into perspective, we are real people with a real development in the real world. We're not some mystical 'cryptoprojects' cooked up in some basement hiding behind a proxy.

We definitely still believe in Jinn and work on it 24/7. IOTA is a way for anyone that do not want to wait or accept the highrisk to get a simple exit in a realm they feel more comfortable. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1304 on: October 22, 2015, 10:49:19 am »


So you crash the price of Jinn and offer to swap them with a new currency?
Looks like you want them back cheaply.

And you are talking about no pump and dump and all this shit, cause we all got a 5-fold.
Reality check. 5-fold in an ever decreasing currency called NXT. In terms of real money we lost money.

This is getting really weird here.

We crashed the price of JINN? How, when and why in the wildest wtf would we do that? Judging from the current price it is exactly where it has been fluctuating between for months: https://trade.secureae.com/#3061160746493230502

You bought JINN shares with Nxt not what you call 'real money', we have absolutely nothing to do with the currency conversion you use and you even suggesting that is just laughable. If you got real questions by all means pose them, but this trolling is pointless and just cause confusion for other people.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1305 on: October 22, 2015, 11:41:14 am »

You know what annoys me Triangle?

Is that you pretend the Jinn/Triangle distiction is so clear yet, the white paper to your own projects (iota white paper) refers to an entity JINN Labs.

That is. The people internal to your own organization do not refer to yourselves as Triangle but by Jinn Labs. Which sure as heck makes it appear like Jinn is something more than a product line.

Anyway. I will keep my Jinn. Pick up Iota and give everyone another chance. Just wish this was handled more clearly.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1306 on: October 22, 2015, 11:47:43 am »

You know what annoys me Triangle?

Is that you pretend the Jinn/Triangle distiction is so clear yet, the white paper to your own projects (iota white paper) refers to an entity JINN Labs.

That is. The people internal to your own organization do not refer to yourselves as Triangle but by Jinn Labs. Which sure as heck makes it appear like Jinn is something more than a product line.

Anyway. I will keep my Jinn. Pick up Iota and give everyone another chance. Just wish this was handled more clearly.

I already answered this yesterday. Jinn Labs is the divison of Triangle working on the Jinn processor, emulator and compiler. It's really ABC. I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear.

We have handled everything clear from day 1, but we cannot censor this thread and remove misleading posts. But we allow everyone the opportunity to make a choice now based on 100% facts and an opportunity, the decision lies with the decider, noone else.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1307 on: October 22, 2015, 11:52:58 am »

Ok.
We can at least agree that it IS NOW clear.

Good luck to both projects. I'm in.

You know what annoys me Triangle?

Is that you pretend the Jinn/Triangle distiction is so clear yet, the white paper to your own projects (iota white paper) refers to an entity JINN Labs.

That is. The people internal to your own organization do not refer to yourselves as Triangle but by Jinn Labs. Which sure as heck makes it appear like Jinn is something more than a product line.

Anyway. I will keep my Jinn. Pick up Iota and give everyone another chance. Just wish this was handled more clearly.

I already answered this yesterday. Jinn Labs is the divison of Triangle working on the Jinn processor, emulator and compiler. It's really ABC. I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear.

We have handled everything clear from day 1, but we cannot censor this thread and remove misleading posts. But we allow everyone the opportunity to make a choice now based on 100% facts and an opportunity, the decision lies with the decider, noone else.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1308 on: October 22, 2015, 11:56:40 am »

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1309 on: October 22, 2015, 12:28:09 pm »

I'm inside, thank you for the opportunity of change. After all mustn't invest more than are prepared to lose.

on the other hand, makes me sad disunion with Nxt :(
I'm waiting for the news and trying to understand them.
greetings

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1310 on: October 22, 2015, 12:41:35 pm »

Is JINN going to run IOTA better than other hardware?
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1311 on: October 22, 2015, 12:45:45 pm »

I'm inside, thank you for the opportunity of change. After all mustn't invest more than are prepared to lose.

on the other hand, makes me sad disunion with Nxt :(
I'm waiting for the news and trying to understand them.
greetings

But it's not really disunion. IOTA can talk to Nxt and depending on Nxt's future development, it can talk back. It's up to the community to work out use-cases for this.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1312 on: October 22, 2015, 12:48:51 pm »


So you crash the price of Jinn and offer to swap them with a new currency?
Looks like you want them back cheaply.

And you are talking about no pump and dump and all this shit, cause we all got a 5-fold.
Reality check. 5-fold in an ever decreasing currency called NXT. In terms of real money we lost money.

This is getting really weird here.

I am not sure where the 5 fold number comes from?  https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/jinn/
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1313 on: October 22, 2015, 12:51:11 pm »

I'm inside, thank you for the opportunity of change. After all mustn't invest more than are prepared to lose.

on the other hand, makes me sad disunion with Nxt :(
I'm waiting for the news and trying to understand them.
greetings

But it's not really disunion. IOTA can talk to Nxt and depending on Nxt's future development, it can talk back. It's up to the community to work out use-cases for this.
@rubenaco
question posted here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28marketing-business-and-development%29-the-tennessee-project-fundraiser/msg197368/#msg197368
wait reply Jean-Luc ;D

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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1314 on: October 22, 2015, 01:46:51 pm »

Nobody can ever really know if someone on the internet is honest or not but I am inclined to believe CFB and David are honest. So that leads me to conclude either they have a real belief in the success of Jinn and wouldn't mind getting some Jinn asset back. Or they really are offering this out of some sort of fairness obligation that they really don't have to do. Even having said I feel they are honest, its still hard to believe the latter in this day and age.

I think they are honest and trying hard to make it a success. I think most of the confusion was created because they were less savvy in business than in technology. You can tell it from the loss of 50% funds due to the price drop of NXT. I guess someone in the team could not separate their feelings and wishs for NXT just because they personally owned some good amount of NXT. Anyway, It is a learning process.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1315 on: October 22, 2015, 01:52:29 pm »

Nobody can ever really know if someone on the internet is honest or not but I am inclined to believe CFB and David are honest. So that leads me to conclude either they have a real belief in the success of Jinn and wouldn't mind getting some Jinn asset back. Or they really are offering this out of some sort of fairness obligation that they really don't have to do. Even having said I feel they are honest, its still hard to believe the latter in this day and age.

I think they are honest and trying hard to make it a success. I think most of the confusion was created because they were less savvy in business than in technology. You can tell it form the loss of 50% funds due to the price drop of NXT. I guess someone in the team could not separate their feelings and wishs for NXT just because they personally owned some good amount of NXT. Anyway, It is a learning process.

Not at all. There was simply no nxt<>bitcoin liquidity present pre-crash. So it was not even preventable and even if liquidity had been present, bitcoin crashed just as much. The only alternative (in a universe where liquidity existed) would be to sell bitcoin of which we'd have to pay taxes + fees to pay salaries. So no, it was just an inevitability of the situation. In retrospect we should've prolonged the auction  longer and raised about twice as much to somewhat 'safe-guard', but it's impossible to say if that would have been possible.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1316 on: October 22, 2015, 01:58:02 pm »


So you crash the price of Jinn and offer to swap them with a new currency?
Looks like you want them back cheaply.

And you are talking about no pump and dump and all this shit, cause we all got a 5-fold.
Reality check. 5-fold in an ever decreasing currency called NXT. In terms of real money we lost money.

This is getting really weird here.

We crashed the price of JINN? How, when and why in the wildest wtf would we do that? Judging from the current price it is exactly where it has been fluctuating between for months: https://trade.secureae.com/#3061160746493230502

Then look what happened since your long post.

You bought JINN shares with Nxt not what you call 'real money', we have absolutely nothing to do with the currency conversion you use and you even suggesting that is just laughable. If you got real questions by all means pose them, but this trolling is pointless and just cause confusion for other people.

Nothing to do with the currency???? Are you serious? It´s a shame that I have to say this. You know very well that the price of Jinn is based on the price of NXT. And you stated that we have a nice profit. I am sure you are not that stupid, that you don´t understand that. So what are you talking? That´s bullshit, you know it, and I can only assume you have an agenda.

That´s not trolling and not laughable. It looks like you are not honest.

And last but not least, if almost everybody have a deifferent knowledge about what Jinn tokens represent, then it´s not all the buyers fault. It´s your fault due to the lack of clear explanation.


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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1317 on: October 22, 2015, 02:01:50 pm »



So you crash the price of Jinn and offer to swap them with a new currency?
Looks like you want them back cheaply.

And you are talking about no pump and dump and all this shit, cause we all got a 5-fold.
Reality check. 5-fold in an ever decreasing currency called NXT. In terms of real money we lost money.

This is getting really weird here.

Quote from: Triangle
We crashed the price of JINN? How, when and why in the wildest wtf would we do that? Judging from the current price it is exactly where it has been fluctuating between for months: https://trade.secureae.com/#3061160746493230502

Then look what happened since your long post.

Quote from: Triangle
You bought JINN shares with Nxt not what you call 'real money', we have absolutely nothing to do with the currency conversion you use and you even suggesting that is just laughable. If you got real questions by all means pose them, but this trolling is pointless and just cause confusion for other people.

Nothing to do with the currency???? Are you serious? It´s a shame that I have to say this. You know very well that the price of Jinn is based on the price of NXT. And you stated that we have a nice profit. I am sure you are not that stupid, that you don´t understand that. So what are you talking? That´s bullshit, you know it, and I can only assume you have an agenda.

That´s not trolling and not laughable. It looks like you are not honest.

And last but not least, if almost everybody have a deifferent knowledge about what Jinn tokens represent, then it´s not all the buyers fault. It´s your fault due to the lack of clear explanation.


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Of course I am dead serious. How are we supposed to be responsible for what you convert your Nxt to? You could live in USA, Europe, China or Somalia for all we know, that's not our responsibility at all. When you buy something with one kind of currency (Nxt in this instance) and that thing you bought 5xes its value in said currency, then you have indeed made a 5x profit in that currency. How that is relative to USD, Euro, SEK, YEN or Rupees is 100% irrelevant for this discussion.

And we have always been clear about what JINN Tokens represent. I will not repeat myself again. Feel free to re-read through the previous comments that has been made in regards to this since yesterday.
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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1318 on: October 22, 2015, 02:06:47 pm »


So you crash the price of Jinn and offer to swap them with a new currency?
Looks like you want them back cheaply.

And you are talking about no pump and dump and all this shit, cause we all got a 5-fold.
Reality check. 5-fold in an ever decreasing currency called NXT. In terms of real money we lost money.

This is getting really weird here.

We crashed the price of JINN? How, when and why in the wildest wtf would we do that? Judging from the current price it is exactly where it has been fluctuating between for months: https://trade.secureae.com/#3061160746493230502

Then look what happened since your long post.

You bought JINN shares with Nxt not what you call 'real money', we have absolutely nothing to do with the currency conversion you use and you even suggesting that is just laughable. If you got real questions by all means pose them, but this trolling is pointless and just cause confusion for other people.

Nothing to do with the currency???? Are you serious? It´s a shame that I have to say this. You know very well that the price of Jinn is based on the price of NXT. And you stated that we have a nice profit. I am sure you are not that stupid, that you don´t understand that. So what are you talking? That´s bullshit, you know it, and I can only assume you have an agenda.

That´s not trolling and not laughable. It looks like you are not honest.

And last but not least, if almost everybody have a deifferent knowledge about what Jinn tokens represent, then it´s not all the buyers fault. It´s your fault due to the lack of clear explanation.



Of course I am dead serious. How are we supposed to be responsible for what you convert your Nxt to? You could live in USA, Europe, China or Somalia for all we know, that's not our responsibility at all. When you buy something with one kind of currency (Nxt in this instance) and that thing you bought 5xes its value in said currency, then you have indeed made a 5x profit in that currency. How that is relative to USD, Euro, SEK, YEN or Rupees is 100% irrelevant for this discussion.

And we have always been clear about what JINN Tokens represent. I will not repeat myself again. Feel free to re-read through the previous comments that has been made in regards to this since yesterday.

Just ridiculous. There is no sense in talking with you, even about obvious things.


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Re: [ANN] Jinn
« Reply #1319 on: October 22, 2015, 02:07:26 pm »

I take that as a compliment.

Also please fix your formatting. Currently you make it seem like you are quoting me, when you are quoting yourself.
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