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LETS System : Global Transition Plateform using NXT MS COIN
« on: November 05, 2014, 10:25:45 pm »

I was developping this with my WEB dev and now I need to talk with you:
If you see some modification, if you have some idea, if you want to participate, contact me please. :)

 
GLOBAL TRANSITION PLATEFORMS for specifics citizen network, then for a global network.

WHAT IS LETS ?


It’s a plateform where X publish some offer, Y publish some request; We exchange with a TIMEcoin. Something like : BCNext work 1hour at my home on my computer I give him 1hour, and BCNext can buy some potatoes with that hour. I work on the Jean-Luc garden 4hours he give me 4hours and I can ask CfB to repair my roofing.

This is legal and without VAT if BCNext don’t come at my home every day.

Our plateform will be better than other because… there is no other… but there is more than 600 LETS systems exist in my country.

We’ll plan to add a universal dividend to every verified member, but it’s also possible to just do an initial distribution at the subscription, for every verified member.
In order to prevent sockpuppet account, you need to be register in a special network where someone validate you.


There is also a public network, for every user without private network/community referent. So you can also trade all object with everyone versus TIMEcoin (hours) and profit of other services.

We will add a lot of tools which local group requiered, using the same currencies.

And also we will conduct users to an ecovillage decentralized network experience with some social credit system.

My goal is to make mass adoption.

LETS go :

Each region creates its own network, on the platform. Each validate members received a Universal Dividend.
Allowing other LETS system to SWAP their coin into our platform and create their network. (At least 600 LETS system in my country, with very old-school tools)

SOME OF OUR OPTIONS :

 
1.   PLUGIN NETWORK CREATION AND Monetary System PROMOTION [in development 1000€]
             (Create a movement/network/association, get a website with a forum, create a LETS network, with your own charts, add your members, and choose the feature of your NXT-currency)

2.   (maybe) CROWDFUNDING with (Monetary-System) crypto currencies [almost developed at www.nxt-starter.com ]

3.   LETS platform with (Monetary-System) crypto currency [development 2500€]

             (LETS platform: select your network, validate your identity, receive your universal dividend or bonus welcome: offer/ask jobs; tools; alimentations in exchange of coin, and more than that)

4. ALTERNATIVE DIARY (1000€)
             
             (All network can list all the alternative project or alternative merchants near them which give us the usefull database for the merchants accepting crypto)

4.  CARPOOLING for monetary system: [development 3000€]

             (Post your road map and share your place with users from the departure or on the road +PARCEL POST SERVICE by citizen like delivery product from merchants A to merchants B)

5.  GROUP OF PURCHASER [development 2500€]
 
             (New system to increase the number of users involved into buying real things like land and expensive tools, and accompaniment in order to create economics values with monetary system crypto currencies locations for LETS network)

6.   PROJECT/ LITTLE COMPAGNY INCUBATOR

            (allow new entrepreneur to make contact with his future “customer” or “users”)

7. LOCALNXTCOIN !

            (As we are talking about localcoin with local user, we can easy add a localtrading crypto section )

8. ECOVILLAGE/ECONOMIC/SOCIAL&ARTISTICS &DEMOCRATIC LANDS CREATION:


            (Smart contract and social credit system needed and democratic tools) I am involved with local citizens in order to build a lot of platform allowing us to make an economic (and political) transition.



I'm involving as many WEB devs as I can pay from my pocket.

There is no business plan for these social platforms so there is no planned Return on Investment IN MONEY for these projects but if you see something, tell me.

For you, a real success will bring users into the NXT platform; with a second effet to make normal citizen involve into crypto currency and a third effect to make merchants accepting crypto.


 
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 03:47:31 pm »

 
Let's go !

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Re: LETS System : Global Transition Plateform using NXT MS COIN
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 05:09:12 am »

It’s a plateform where X publish some offer, Y publish some request; We exchange with a TIMEcoin. Something like : BCNext work 1hour at my home on my computer I give him 1hour, and BCNext can buy some potatoes with that hour. I work on the Jean-Luc garden 4hours he give me 4hours and I can ask CfB to repair my roofing.

I like the idea, but how are you going to differentiate hourly labor wages?  Are you planning for all jobs in the village to have the same hourly pay rate?

Personally, I wouldn't call it a "timecoin" because it establishes a direct connection between time and value while excluding skill of labor.  I would simply call the currency of the LETSystem a "credit".  People could pay each other these credits and determine their own hourly pay rate.

This is legal and without VAT if BCNext don’t come at my home every day.

Be careful with this.  I know in the United States the IRS has gone after LETS users for tax evasion because they didn't claim their "social credit" income.  I wouldn't advocate using a LETSystem to avoid paying taxes.

Our plateform will be better than other because… there is no other… but there is more than 600 LETS systems exist in my country.

Are you planning on having one social credit system per village?

We’ll plan to add a universal dividend to every verified member, but it’s also possible to just do an initial distribution at the subscription, for every verified member.
In order to prevent sockpuppet account, you need to be register in a special network where someone validate you.


This is a good idea.  It establishes a "web of trust".
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 07:20:43 am »

Great idea!
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 11:46:54 am »

hi & thx for your answers !

It’s a plateform where X publish some offer, Y publish some request; We exchange with a TIMEcoin. Something like : BCNext work 1hour at my home on my computer I give him 1hour, and BCNext can buy some potatoes with that hour. I work on the Jean-Luc garden 4hours he give me 4hours and I can ask CfB to repair my roofing.
I like the idea, but how are you going to differentiate hourly labor wages?  Are you planning for all jobs in the village to have the same hourly pay rate?

Personally, I wouldn't call it a "timecoin" because it establishes a direct connection between time and value while excluding skill of labor.  I would simply call the currency of the LETSystem a "credit".  People could pay each other these credits and determine their own hourly pay rate.

For now, we are just talking about an online & local community; the village come after, i can only create a village if i raise fund, or if i swap TIMEcoin into an IPO things;

Timecoin is the common currencies for this kind of LETSsystem : 1hour of computer = 1hour of gardening = 1hour of cooking = 1hour of roof repairing
But its possible to do something like a POPcoin : 10popcoin for 1hour of computer =/= 12popcoin for 1hour of gardening =/= 8popcoin for 1hour of cooking =/= 15pop coin for a roof repairing.

When a group register on a plateform :

They can choose a charts, they can choose their currencies between a national currency and a local currency;
for their local currency they can choose the name and the caracteristics of this.

In the Village, this cannot be TIMEcoin.

I dont really know if its good or not to have multicurrencies.
But one for LETS, and one for real local market and the same for the ViLLAGE may be cool.

But my plan is to share an universal dividend.

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This is legal and without VAT if BCNext don’t come at my home every day.

Be careful with this.  I know in the United States the IRS has gone after LETS users for tax evasion because they didn't claim their "social credit" income.  I wouldn't advocate using a LETSystem to avoid paying taxes.


lol@US,
here there is some problem if LETS users is an artisan and if he come everyday to do a work. But users have always with against the justice.
But no problem with that, this will be written in big for each group.
Its not a system to avoid the taxes, its a system to make link between people.
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Our plateform will be better than other because… there is no other… but there is more than 600 LETS systems exist in my country.

Are you planning on having one social credit system per village?

We’ll plan to add a universal dividend to every verified member, but it’s also possible to just do an initial distribution at the subscription, for every verified member.
In order to prevent sockpuppet account, you need to be register in a special network where someone validate you.


This is a good idea.  It establishes a "web of trust".
Yes, your MP idea is very good :
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If you had each community have their own LETSystem, you could combine them by having one bookkeeper for all the different bookkeepers of each LETSystem.  Here is an example:

We have three villages.  Each village has its own LETSystem.  Each LETSystem has its own bookkeeper.  Every villager in each village trusts their village bookkeeper for 100 "credits".  The bookkeeper in return trusts each villager for 100 "credits".  The "bookkeeper" is an account that is responsible for keeping the tally of debt held by the villagers.  Some villagers will have positive balances and others will have negative balances.  If you add all the balances up in the system it will equal 0.

"Village One" operates "LETSystem One" via "Bookkeeper One"
"Village Two" operates "LETSystem Two" via "Bookkeeper Two"
"Village Three" operates "LETSystem Three" via "Bookkeeper Three"

Currently, only villagers in their own villages can trade with each other because they only trust the people in their village via their bookkeeper.  People from "Village One" cannot trade with people from "Village Two" or "Village Three".  To enable trade between all the villages you need to have a regional bookkeeper.  This regional bookkeeper will trust "Bookkeeper One", "Bookkeeper Two" and "Bookkeeper Three" for 10,000 credits each and they will trust him in return for the same amount.  This allows the villagers of each village to run a positive or negative balance with the other villages in the system up to 10,000 credits.

Like anyvillage have the same currencies, they can allow negative wallet.
But how to make a differences between internal trade and external trade.
The web of trust cannot apply for the external one.

Anyway, Village is not the first plan right now.

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 07:33:31 pm »

For now, we are just talking about an online & local community; the village come after, i can only create a village if i raise fund, or if i swap TIMEcoin into an IPO things;

Timecoin is the common currencies for this kind of LETSsystem : 1hour of computer = 1hour of gardening = 1hour of cooking = 1hour of roof repairing
But its possible to do something like a POPcoin : 10popcoin for 1hour of computer =/= 12popcoin for 1hour of gardening =/= 8popcoin for 1hour of cooking =/= 15pop coin for a roof repairing.

When a group register on a plateform :

They can choose a charts, they can choose their currencies between a national currency and a local currency;
for their local currency they can choose the name and the caracteristics of this.

In the Village, this cannot be TIMEcoin.

I dont really know if its good or not to have multicurrencies.
But one for LETS, and one for real local market and the same for the ViLLAGE may be cool.

But my plan is to share an universal dividend.

Can you explain what you mean by "universal dividend"?


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This is legal and without VAT if BCNext don’t come at my home every day.

Be careful with this.  I know in the United States the IRS has gone after LETS users for tax evasion because they didn't claim their "social credit" income.  I wouldn't advocate using a LETSystem to avoid paying taxes.


lol@US,
here there is some problem if LETS users is an artisan and if he come everyday to do a work. But users have always with against the justice.
But no problem with that, this will be written in big for each group.
Its not a system to avoid the taxes, its a system to make link between people.

I don't want to see you end up in the Bastille.  :)

Yes, your MP idea is very good :
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If you had each community have their own LETSystem, you could combine them by having one bookkeeper for all the different bookkeepers of each LETSystem.  Here is an example:

We have three villages.  Each village has its own LETSystem.  Each LETSystem has its own bookkeeper.  Every villager in each village trusts their village bookkeeper for 100 "credits".  The bookkeeper in return trusts each villager for 100 "credits".  The "bookkeeper" is an account that is responsible for keeping the tally of debt held by the villagers.  Some villagers will have positive balances and others will have negative balances.  If you add all the balances up in the system it will equal 0.

"Village One" operates "LETSystem One" via "Bookkeeper One"
"Village Two" operates "LETSystem Two" via "Bookkeeper Two"
"Village Three" operates "LETSystem Three" via "Bookkeeper Three"

Currently, only villagers in their own villages can trade with each other because they only trust the people in their village via their bookkeeper.  People from "Village One" cannot trade with people from "Village Two" or "Village Three".  To enable trade between all the villages you need to have a regional bookkeeper.  This regional bookkeeper will trust "Bookkeeper One", "Bookkeeper Two" and "Bookkeeper Three" for 10,000 credits each and they will trust him in return for the same amount.  This allows the villagers of each village to run a positive or negative balance with the other villages in the system up to 10,000 credits.

Like anyvillage have the same currencies, they can allow negative wallet.
But how to make a differences between internal trade and external trade.
The web of trust cannot apply for the external one.

Anyway, Village is not the first plan right now.

You'd have to have the bookkeeper or "social bank" create a market where they would exchange "credits" for fiat.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2015, 11:22:26 am »

Hi,

Won't you be in need of a centralized authority to check each village's bookkeeping activities? I mean, for instance, let's say the Village X is cheating with the amount of work its citizens do. Let's say they bloat the numbers, showing works to be done which they do not actually do. Then, with the coins they get from the global network, they can have the citizens of Village Y work for them. Am I missing something?
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2015, 12:43:04 pm »

Check DeBuNe (see my tini tiny signature) as there are many points in common between the two ideas!
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2015, 07:27:17 pm »

Check DeBuNe (see my tini tiny signature) as there are many points in common between the two ideas!
Yeah, I appreciate your project pretty much and watch it closely.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2015, 10:15:06 am »

Is this still going on? Any Updates on LETS using MS?
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2015, 10:22:03 am »

Is this still going on? Any Updates on LETS using MS?

No idea, didn't follow
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2015, 10:39:45 am »

Can anyone explain how it would be possible to create a LETS with MS? What are the downfalls?
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2015, 11:01:26 am »

My LETS plateform is ready for french people and for my region.

To adapt it with MS, its easy : we can use a MS coin (like TIMEcoin) to trade service or things,
but I still dont know how to implement MS coin :)
I can only implement NXT API.


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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2015, 11:18:52 am »

My LETS plateform is ready for french people and for my region.

To adapt it with MS, its easy : we can use a MS coin (like TIMEcoin) to trade service or things,
but I still dont know how to implement MS coin :)
I can only implement NXT API.

Nice! If I want to use your system how would that be possible if so? :)
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2015, 07:54:17 pm »

My LETS plateform is ready for french people and for my region.

To adapt it with MS, its easy : we can use a MS coin (like TIMEcoin) to trade service or things,
but I still dont know how to implement MS coin :)
I can only implement NXT API.

Nice! If I want to use your system how would that be possible if so? :)

Maybe you can support my funding request to implement MS and make multilang on my already existing website ( http://www.univers-sel.com/ ) and create an API to integrate it into wallets.   
here to support : https://nxtforum.org/marketing-committee/(mc)-lets-global-plateform-using-mscoin/msg127407/#msg127407

After that, you we will abble to use my website as a service (or materials) request and offer,  playing in TIMEcoin to do that.

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 07:16:56 am »


Maybe you can support my funding request to implement MS and make multilang on my already existing website ( http://www.univers-sel.com/ ) and create an API to integrate it into wallets.   
here to support : https://nxtforum.org/marketing-committee/(mc)-lets-global-plateform-using-mscoin/msg127407/#msg127407

After that, you we will abble to use my website as a service (or materials) request and offer,  playing in TIMEcoin to do that.

Thx :)

Hmm im planning to go to a meeting nearby... they want to create a LETS for my region in Germany. Maybe they have some money :)

What technologies do you use? (PHP?) Do you already have people who are using your system? Or is it just ready to use?
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 07:32:49 am »

My Univers plateform will be a global transition plateform with LETS , carpooling, crowdfunding (as my first website www.nxt-starter.com but with many currency), and other stuff.

Its PHP Symphony2 for now, and we have built this for a 100 personns communities. I have lauch the website the last week.
Maybe i will make the promotion to another city.

For now its not TIMEcoin,  its a centralized currency but later it will be include in many cryptocurrency plateform as NXT, allowing people to use TIMEcoin on NXT if they want.
Right now its Time money, with basic income every month.

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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 08:26:34 am »

I'm glad to see you're still working on this POPPP.
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