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« on: March 24, 2014, 04:34:35 pm »

Would love to hear from CFB (or anyone who has info) here on how the Digital Goods Store will function. Will it be a trust-less application? Will it utilize AE or AM?  Looking forward to it! 
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 04:37:54 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 07:11:01 pm »

If there is no way for sellers to stop people from selling pirated media, I can guarantee not a single clips4sale seller (and I know many of them) will ever use nxt digital store. This probably will also apply to independent mp3 sellers.

 
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 07:12:07 pm »

And the movie industry didn't use the internet because people used the internet for pirating. We know where that went ;D
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 07:23:19 pm »

And the movie industry didn't use the internet because people used the internet for pirating. We know where that went ;D

It's not about big "movie industry". It's about independent sellers who sell clips on c4s or  mp3 on amazon or itune, or images. They are not big studios. Opening a store on nxt will mean that thieves can check their stats that they are selling something that people are buying, clone it, and sell it for half.

This won't be a kind of place that I would recommend to any independent seller.

Yeah, thieves can sell stolen Hollywood movies all they want (I don't care), but maybe that will be sole purpose.

I would suggest my contacts to stay away.

 
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 07:24:20 pm »

Nxt provides the protocol, people will use it as they wish.

Let's just see where this goes.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 07:33:55 pm »

Nxt provides the protocol, people will use it as they wish.

Let's just see where this goes.

I understand, but I won't suggest independent sellers to use the place. Not because I hate nxt, but because I care about my friends :)

I am fine if nxt store turns out to be a replacement to piratebey
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 07:36:59 pm »

Does anyone have some kind of plan/solution for selling physical items in Digital Goods Store.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 07:38:27 pm »

Don't think so. Maybe everyone is waiting for digital goods store to look at it and think about how to make it for physical goods.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 08:18:23 pm »

Don't think so. Maybe everyone is waiting for digital goods store to look at it and think about how to make it for physical goods.

Once we have AT, we could easily have an escrow solution for physical goods. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 08:34:02 pm »

Don't think so. Maybe everyone is waiting for digital goods store to look at it and think about how to make it for physical goods.

Once we have AT, we could easily have an escrow solution for physical goods.

I don't think so ;D

But please, enlighten me!
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 09:14:39 pm »

Don't think so. Maybe everyone is waiting for digital goods store to look at it and think about how to make it for physical goods.

Once we have AT, we could easily have an escrow solution for physical goods.

I don't think so ;D

But please, enlighten me!

There was a testcase for AT escrow in the old BTT AT thread.  It's basically funds are committed when buyer sends Nxt using AT.  At which the point the buyer has the option to send the Nxt to Seller (after he receives item) or to a second account (Charity, Genesis, etc) if he doesn't receive item.  Neither party would have an interest in scamming because neither party would get the Nxt. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2014, 09:26:36 pm »

Tell me how this works with weed.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2014, 01:56:06 am »

Tell me how this works with weed.

The same way, although if you want an SR solution, you may want to just use a reputation system, which I believe Wesleyh will be adding to client.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2014, 08:01:44 am »

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we could easily have an escrow solution for physical goods.

Without some other system (reputation for example), your idea won't work. That's all I wanted to point out.
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2014, 12:47:59 pm »

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we could easily have an escrow solution for physical goods.

Without some other system (reputation for example), your idea won't work. That's all I wanted to point out.

That's the point of Automatic Transactions, it can be trust less, do some research.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2014, 01:33:08 pm »

You said "easily for physical goods"

I said "Tell me how it's gonna work with weed"

You said "ah well, reputation system or something else"

A sends NXT via AT to B, B sends weed, A says: never delivered. AT doesn't solve that.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2014, 02:50:32 pm »

You said "easily for physical goods"

I said "Tell me how it's gonna work with weed"

You said "ah well, reputation system or something else"

A sends NXT via AT to B, B sends weed, A says: never delivered. AT doesn't solve that.

Yeah, but A wouldn't have incentive to say they didn't deliver, because Nxt wouldn't be returned to A once placed in AT.  Plus you add the reputation system to help.  I think we can improve on SR methods, but the real advantage would be to allow p2p direct transactions, rather than having hundreds of BTC in SR escrow.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2014, 11:53:35 pm »

what if the seller doesnt actually send anything though? then the buyer gets screwed and the seller doesnt win or loose? i think this is where a trusted physical goods escrow service would come into play.. once the seller builds up enough sales they would have the rep to not need escrow. i think a 3rd party would have to get involved in this one atleast for sellers with little or no reputation.
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2014, 01:46:17 am »

what if the seller doesnt actually send anything though? then the buyer gets screwed and the seller doesnt win or loose? i think this is where a trusted physical goods escrow service would come into play.. once the seller builds up enough sales they would have the rep to not need escrow. i think a 3rd party would have to get involved in this one atleast for sellers with little or no reputation.

Yeah, good point.  You could make the 2nd AT option a mediator, so if buyer doesn't receive item, Nxt will automatically be sent to 3rd party mediator who will resolve the issue.  Since it would be a rare case, the 3rd party wouldn't be inundated and there would be no incentive to scam.  I elect Anon!
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2014, 02:59:32 am »

what if the seller doesnt actually send anything though? then the buyer gets screwed and the seller doesnt win or loose? i think this is where a trusted physical goods escrow service would come into play.. once the seller builds up enough sales they would have the rep to not need escrow. i think a 3rd party would have to get involved in this one atleast for sellers with little or no reputation.

Yeah, good point.  You could make the 2nd AT option a mediator, so if buyer doesn't receive item, Nxt will automatically be sent to 3rd party mediator who will resolve the issue.  Since it would be a rare case, the 3rd party wouldn't be inundated and there would be no incentive to scam.  I elect Anon!
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no incentive perhaps.. but some allot of people are just dicks for no reason!
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2014, 10:28:56 am »

Wouldn't the trust and monitoring issue be solved if you'd let people each issue their own marketplace.

Similar to how you issue an asset you would then issue a goods store. It's like creating your own Ebay for 1000 NXT.

The market can then decide which of the Ebay's they trust most and where they will put their goods for sale. The creation of the store makes you the implicit owner of it and allows you to remove items that are for sale.

Eventually companies can offer some form of customer protection against scamming sellers, they could offer money back schemes and ban the sellers from their market.

Owners of a market could even impose a fee for each item sold with which they can use to cover the cost of administrating the market or use it to pay back scammed customers. This fee could be set on creation of your market and preferably be adjustable.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2014, 04:57:48 pm »

Would love to hear from CFB (or anyone who has info) here on how the Digital Goods Store will function. Will it be a trust-less application? Will it utilize AE or AM?  Looking forward to it!

DGS uses its own type of transactions, not AM.

The workflow is quite simple:

1. Alice lists goods
2. Bob purchases them
3. Alice delivers them (can give a discount for bulk purchases)
4. Bob can send a feedback
5. Alice can do a refund
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2014, 05:23:20 pm »

Wouldn't the trust and monitoring issue be solved if you'd let people each issue their own marketplace.

Similar to how you issue an asset you would then issue a goods store. It's like creating your own Ebay for 1000 NXT.

The market can then decide which of the Ebay's they trust most and where they will put their goods for sale. The creation of the store makes you the implicit owner of it and allows you to remove items that are for sale.

Eventually companies can offer some form of customer protection against scamming sellers, they could offer money back schemes and ban the sellers from their market.

Owners of a market could even impose a fee for each item sold with which they can use to cover the cost of administrating the market or use it to pay back scammed customers. This fee could be set on creation of your market and preferably be adjustable.


I really like this idea.  Where each user can host their own market which can be distributed via magnet link.   I'm excited about the digital goods store from CFB and think people can build some really neat options on top. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2014, 06:43:44 pm »

Would love to hear from CFB (or anyone who has info) here on how the Digital Goods Store will function. Will it be a trust-less application? Will it utilize AE or AM?  Looking forward to it!

DGS uses its own type of transactions, not AM.

The workflow is quite simple:

1. Alice lists goods
2. Bob purchases them
3. Alice delivers them (can give a discount for bulk purchases)
4. Bob can send a feedback
5. Alice can do a refund

Please keep in mind, that Alice might have multiple products (like different sorts of weed). So when Bob is giving Feedback it should be about the product and not about Alice in general.
When this is going to be working, this could be NXTs breakthrogh. Probably the darkweb would be its first adapter and thats a good thing. Since it would bring lots of new people into NXT.
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2014, 06:50:46 pm »

Please keep in mind, that Alice might have multiple products (like different sorts of weed). So when Bob is giving Feedback it should be about the product and not about Alice in general.

Feedback is given on purchased goods only.
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2014, 08:58:28 pm »

I remember having read that there shall be an IPO of the DGS. When is it planned?
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2014, 09:39:19 pm »

I remember having read that there shall be an IPO of the DGS. When is it planned?

DGS would be part of Nxt core. What IPO?

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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2014, 10:31:13 pm »

I remember having read that there shall be an IPO of the DGS. When is it planned?

Probably mistaken with something else.
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2014, 07:10:36 am »

CfB searched for a guy who could run an IPO for him for his idea which uses digital goods store.
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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2014, 07:11:46 pm »

Is the DGS separate from the also-discussed Reputation System or are they integrated somehow?


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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2014, 07:27:15 pm »

Is there any estimate time on when this will be implemented? 
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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2014, 07:28:32 pm »

Is the DGS separate from the also-discussed Reputation System or are they integrated somehow?


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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2014, 07:29:31 pm »

Is there any estimate time on when this will be implemented?

Taking into account current speed of how new features r released... In 2-3 months. Maybe.
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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2014, 07:43:45 pm »

Is there any estimate time on when this will be implemented?

Taking into account current speed of how new features r released... In 2-3 months. Maybe.

This should be a priority, at least the basic functionality of just listing items for sales. It has potential to make nxt useful for real life use. The reputations system (or whatever it is called) can come later and that can probably be dealt much better by third party forums (even this forum)  by users themselves.

 
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2014, 09:13:48 pm »

This should be a priority, at least the basic functionality of just listing items for sales. It has potential to make nxt useful for real life use. The reputations system (or whatever it is called) can come later and that can probably be dealt much better by third party forums (even this forum)  by users themselves.

Listing/delisting is already done.
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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2014, 09:40:05 pm »

This should be a priority, at least the basic functionality of just listing items for sales. It has potential to make nxt useful for real life use. The reputations system (or whatever it is called) can come later and that can probably be dealt much better by third party forums (even this forum)  by users themselves.

Listing/delisting is already done.

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2014, 09:56:40 pm »

Is there any estimate time on when this will be implemented?

Taking into account current speed of how new features r released... In 2-3 months. Maybe.

Alright, well at least you'll be stuck with us for a few more months, that is good.
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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2014, 10:05:22 pm »

Is there any estimate time on when this will be implemented?

Taking into account current speed of how new features r released... In 2-3 months. Maybe.

This should be a priority, at least the basic functionality of just listing items for sales. It has potential to make nxt useful for real life use. The reputations system (or whatever it is called) can come later and that can probably be dealt much better by third party forums (even this forum)  by users themselves.

 


I could not agree more. The potential of the DGS is as least as big as the one of the Asset Exchange.
It should also be much more feasable for NXT marketing than any other NXT feature.
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2014, 10:41:37 pm »

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it

Compile and use it - https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/6a3155af8e06f0c0b9bbabfe598b62b4dfc8f468/?at=feature%2Ftf
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2014, 11:20:34 am »

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it

Compile and use it - https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/6a3155af8e06f0c0b9bbabfe598b62b4dfc8f468/?at=feature%2Ftf

isnt tf = transparent forging ?
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2014, 11:30:19 am »

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it

Compile and use it - https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/6a3155af8e06f0c0b9bbabfe598b62b4dfc8f468/?at=feature%2Ftf

isnt tf = transparent forging ?

I think tf is the branch CfB is working on (so his magical stuff in there)

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2014, 11:45:57 pm »

digital goods,such as... ;)
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2014, 09:36:50 pm »

I would suggest my contacts to stay away.

What would prevent you from doing that?
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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2014, 01:58:25 pm »

I wrote this as a way to get down in pixels the crap I have swirling around in my head about how a store can be run on the NXT block chain. I used to develop PHP/MySQL websites, and my current work is in databases and more databases, so that is where I am coming from and it informs my questions (and probably is creating part of my confusion about this).

If I understand correctly, instead of a normal database that stores an item for sale (which might be a row with the item name, the price, a description, etc), this information is instead stored in the block chain. That means it will be stored as a transaction record in a block, and that means that 1) there will be a fee of at least 1 NXT for that transaction, and 2) the transaction cannot be modified. So in a regular database, I would expect at some point to change the item’s row, such as its sale status (available at first, later changed to unavailable after it is sold), but with a block chain storing the data, the sale of an item will be a second transaction, and those two transactions have to have something to tie them together, such as a unique number as part of both transactions.

Do I have this right so far?

If this is right, it is bending my mind, maaaan. The Silk Road marketplace was shut down because it relied on a centralized site, with a database. A store run on the block chain would not be centralized in this way. There would be no single database to shut down, in fact no central site to go after since the front end of the store (where items are viewed, orders are placed) could be downloadable, and be run from any user’s computer. (It’s this kind of front end I used to make back in my PHP days.) Such a store could be hosted on an unlimited number of sites, and taking down any one of them would have no effect since no data is stored in it. (There wouldn’t even be a need to use Tor to access it, although Tor or a VPN is always a good idea in my opinion. It doesn’t have to be a “hidden site” in any way, at least not as a way to avoid being vulnerable to takedown; being monitored is a separate issue.)

If that is not right, someone slap me back to reality. If it is right, then I might be able to contribute to this in terms of building a front end (PHP, HTML).

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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2014, 02:25:42 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2014, 02:29:28 pm »

I am thinking of this as a way to sell physical goods, so maybe I have the wrong thread. There's so much stuff happening here!

But I think you have answered one of my questions - the blockchain can be used for listing goods. This is very different from what I am used to, and very exciting.
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2014, 04:12:13 am »

I am thinking of this as a way to sell physical goods, so maybe I have the wrong thread. There's so much stuff happening here!

But I think you have answered one of my questions - the blockchain can be used for listing goods. This is very different from what I am used to, and very exciting.

I think we will find ways to sell physical goods with this approach as there is little difference from posting digital goods, only the trust factor, all from within the client, could be very innovative.
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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2014, 07:59:56 pm »

I asked this question in a marketing topic, but could someone explain to me what's so "killer" about this store?

I've seen several shit-coins produce a DGS. Where you could buy stuff with their coin only. Physical and digital.
Noble coin has such a store for instance https://www.noblemovement.com/marketplace/

Seeing that CfB describes it like this:
The workflow is quite simple:

1. Alice lists goods
2. Bob purchases them
3. Alice delivers them (can give a discount for bulk purchases)
4. Bob can send a feedback
5. Alice can do a refund


I fail to see what's so hot and different about this...  :-\
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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2014, 08:03:36 pm »

it's on the blockchain?
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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2014, 08:04:21 pm »

Oh, wow!!!

Standard user: so?
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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2014, 08:07:57 pm »

nobody can seize your coins. nobody can hack the exchange.
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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2014, 08:08:27 pm »

it's on the blockchain?

I think that sums it up. The point isn't to have things to buy with NXT, you can already do that. The point is to have a store that is resistant to censorship. If the backend of the store (the database) lives on the blockchain, then it's not in a centralized location that is easy to take down, like Silk Road was. Silk Road was hard to find, but once found, it was an easy target. A store on the NXT blockchain would be the opposite: it will live in plain sight, but it will be completely decentralized. If I understand correctly, you won't be able to take it down unless you take down every copy of the blockchain.


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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2014, 08:15:39 pm »

Yup, already understand all of this, but still fail to see the advantage for the average user and or company unless they sell stuff that falls in the category: denied on ebay and or other marketplaces...
(plus people would need a special client to access the DGS)
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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2014, 08:16:39 pm »

it's on the blockchain?

That was succinct.
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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2014, 08:36:49 pm »

You know, thinking about it.

What would make it "cool" and very easy to use: build a normal https://nxtdgs.com interface where people can browse stuff without having to login to a client, but when they want to buy/sell/add/comment/remove stuff they would need to login / create an account.

Then without knowing, it would reside on the blockchain.

But still....not that excited about it.
Perhaps CfB will blow me away (I hope so).
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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2014, 08:50:12 pm »

Yup, already understand all of this, but still fail to see the advantage for the average user and or company unless they sell stuff that falls in the category: denied on ebay and or other marketplaces...
(plus people would need a special client to access the DGS)

I don't think there is an advantage for the "average" user, they already have eBay. But there were enough people who needed this to give BTC a big boost early on because of its use on Silk Road. This would drive demand for NXT, I think.
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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2014, 08:57:15 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)
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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2014, 09:05:29 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)

That attention could be very helpful, and bring in a lot of new users who want to buy your NXT.

There are also other reasons this could be useful. What if you cannot get a PayPal account, but want to use something like eBay? There are a lot of users outside the First World (and within, just look at payday services) who are locked out of the global financial system, and cryptocurrencies could be really helpful to them, especially in light of the crazy cut that companies like Western Union take out of remittances from family members working outside their home countries. Having a marketplace where they can use their NXT would be helpful.

What about people in countries that restrict what we would consider to be perfectly legal and legitimate purchases? Too bad for them? Anonymity isn't just about drugs and tax evasion, like a lot of people think.

That said, so what if people want to buy drugs? It's their business.
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« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2014, 09:31:50 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)

That attention could be very helpful, and bring in a lot of new users who want to buy your NXT.
Hmmm, perhaps you shouldn't do marketing  ;)

It's "nice" that it could be used for illegal stuff, but we need real-world large scale uses. Things that would make me want to use this.
So far I haven't heard any (probably just me).

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There are also other reasons this could be useful. What if you cannot get a PayPal account, but want to use something like eBay? There are a lot of users outside the First World (and within, just look at payday services) who are locked out of the global financial system, and cryptocurrencies could be really helpful to them, especially in light of the crazy cut that companies like Western Union take out of remittances from family members working outside their home countries. Having a marketplace where they can use their NXT would be helpful.
So they are locked out of First World stuff, but do have internet / access to a computer (that is not monitored or behind on a government restricted internet) and money to buy first world items. Not even mentioning how they would get the items delivered.

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What about people in countries that restrict what we would consider to be perfectly legal and legitimate purchases? Too bad for them? Anonymity isn't just about drugs and tax evasion, like a lot of people think.

That said, so what if people want to buy drugs? It's their business.
How would these prohibited items get delivered to their homes?

I think you are trying to hard to come up with use-cases as to why this would / could work.
Focus on your target audience: first world, average joe/chen/Alexai/Pedro and now point out the REAL advantages over eBay / Craigslist / marketplace in your country.

Remember: we are going to market this as a USP!
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« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2014, 10:59:37 pm »

It's "nice" that it could be used for illegal stuff, but we need real-world large scale uses. Things that would make me want to use this.

I guess we have different metrics for what makes this worth having.
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« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2014, 06:18:01 am »


It's "nice" that it could be used for illegal stuff, but we need real-world large scale uses. Things that would make me want to use this.


The DGS or Physical Good Store of course cannot compete with "real world large scale uses" like ebay. If you want to see that, come back in like five years. When it comes to decentralization you need this kind of early adopter before you can crash into mainstream. And the darkweb IS the early adopter. If you do not see a Use Case here which is going far beyond the possibly of other cryptros than you just do not get it.

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It certainly is a USP but marketing wise we are doing far too less in order to push it.
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« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2014, 07:55:59 pm »

Airbitz & Libbitcoin Team Up to Create Darkmarket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVqH8XO1Pk


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« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2014, 02:23:34 pm »

Airbitz & Libbitcoin Team Up to Create Darkmarket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVqH8XO1Pk


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Look at that, I came here to post the same thing:

https://go.airbitz.co/airbitz-dark-wallet-win-bitcoin-hackathon-darkmarket/

Interesting, and they seem to be very far along.
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« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2014, 04:46:40 pm »

Would it be possible to sell Physical Goods in Digital Goods Store? In less comfortable way. Until we will have Physical Goods Store too.
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« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2014, 05:00:51 pm »

Would it be possible to sell Physical Goods in Digital Goods Store? In less comfortable way. Until we will have Physical Goods Store too.

I heard it's possible ....

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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2014, 05:11:56 pm »

Would it be possible to sell Physical Goods in Digital Goods Store? In less comfortable way. Until we will have Physical Goods Store too.

Sure, in fact you can do that with AE as well, Anon's silver asset is a good example.  Physical Goods store is identical to DGS, except there will be some type of escrow and feedback system in place.
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« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2014, 04:37:58 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
So, can we see from the blockchain if account A bought item X from account Y (so that later account A can prove that he/she bought exactly this item from exactly that account?
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« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2014, 04:51:03 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
So, can we see from the blockchain if account A bought item X from account Y (so that later account A can prove that he/she bought exactly this item from exactly that account?

Yes
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« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2014, 04:54:03 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
So, can we see from the blockchain if account A bought item X from account Y (so that later account A can prove that he/she bought exactly this item from exactly that account?

Yes
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« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2014, 05:58:18 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
So, can we see from the blockchain if account A bought item X from account Y (so that later account A can prove that he/she bought exactly this item from exactly that account?

Yes

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« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2014, 05:25:56 pm »

Any ETA on the digital goods store?
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« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2014, 05:32:10 pm »

Any ETA on the digital goods store?

If you tested it sufficiently! :P

We have not found enough bugs yet. Try out more corner cases, please. :)
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I confusalled. Lol
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« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2014, 09:58:42 pm »

See here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg62670/#msg62670

Oh!  I don't see where I can DL the front end or how to access it...is it only avaialble on the test network or in the 1.2.0e client?
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« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2014, 07:17:05 am »

See here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg62670/#msg62670

Oh!  I don't see where I can DL the front end or how to access it...is it only avaialble on the test network or in the 1.2.0e client?

Exactly. Download it here: https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/downloads

Extract in new folder and then start the thing (run.bat or run.sh). Well, after downloaded the chain, you can have a look at the DGS. Ask for some testNXTs. They all have one. :)
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