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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2014, 11:20:34 am »

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it

Compile and use it - https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/6a3155af8e06f0c0b9bbabfe598b62b4dfc8f468/?at=feature%2Ftf

isnt tf = transparent forging ?
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2014, 11:30:19 am »

Cool.. why 3 months then? Bring it on testNet so we can try it. Plus that give client developers more time to tune it

Compile and use it - https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/6a3155af8e06f0c0b9bbabfe598b62b4dfc8f468/?at=feature%2Ftf

isnt tf = transparent forging ?

I think tf is the branch CfB is working on (so his magical stuff in there)

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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2014, 11:45:57 pm »

digital goods,such as... ;)
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2014, 09:36:50 pm »

I would suggest my contacts to stay away.

What would prevent you from doing that?
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2014, 01:58:25 pm »

I wrote this as a way to get down in pixels the crap I have swirling around in my head about how a store can be run on the NXT block chain. I used to develop PHP/MySQL websites, and my current work is in databases and more databases, so that is where I am coming from and it informs my questions (and probably is creating part of my confusion about this).

If I understand correctly, instead of a normal database that stores an item for sale (which might be a row with the item name, the price, a description, etc), this information is instead stored in the block chain. That means it will be stored as a transaction record in a block, and that means that 1) there will be a fee of at least 1 NXT for that transaction, and 2) the transaction cannot be modified. So in a regular database, I would expect at some point to change the item’s row, such as its sale status (available at first, later changed to unavailable after it is sold), but with a block chain storing the data, the sale of an item will be a second transaction, and those two transactions have to have something to tie them together, such as a unique number as part of both transactions.

Do I have this right so far?

If this is right, it is bending my mind, maaaan. The Silk Road marketplace was shut down because it relied on a centralized site, with a database. A store run on the block chain would not be centralized in this way. There would be no single database to shut down, in fact no central site to go after since the front end of the store (where items are viewed, orders are placed) could be downloadable, and be run from any user’s computer. (It’s this kind of front end I used to make back in my PHP days.) Such a store could be hosted on an unlimited number of sites, and taking down any one of them would have no effect since no data is stored in it. (There wouldn’t even be a need to use Tor to access it, although Tor or a VPN is always a good idea in my opinion. It doesn’t have to be a “hidden site” in any way, at least not as a way to avoid being vulnerable to takedown; being monitored is a separate issue.)

If that is not right, someone slap me back to reality. If it is right, then I might be able to contribute to this in terms of building a front end (PHP, HTML).

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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2014, 02:25:42 pm »

Blockchain is used only to list goods and deliver them. A merchant is supposed to connect to the blockchain time to time and send goods to buyers using the blockchain. This can be done via Tor.
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2014, 02:29:28 pm »

I am thinking of this as a way to sell physical goods, so maybe I have the wrong thread. There's so much stuff happening here!

But I think you have answered one of my questions - the blockchain can be used for listing goods. This is very different from what I am used to, and very exciting.
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2014, 04:12:13 am »

I am thinking of this as a way to sell physical goods, so maybe I have the wrong thread. There's so much stuff happening here!

But I think you have answered one of my questions - the blockchain can be used for listing goods. This is very different from what I am used to, and very exciting.

I think we will find ways to sell physical goods with this approach as there is little difference from posting digital goods, only the trust factor, all from within the client, could be very innovative.
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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2014, 07:59:56 pm »

I asked this question in a marketing topic, but could someone explain to me what's so "killer" about this store?

I've seen several shit-coins produce a DGS. Where you could buy stuff with their coin only. Physical and digital.
Noble coin has such a store for instance https://www.noblemovement.com/marketplace/

Seeing that CfB describes it like this:
The workflow is quite simple:

1. Alice lists goods
2. Bob purchases them
3. Alice delivers them (can give a discount for bulk purchases)
4. Bob can send a feedback
5. Alice can do a refund


I fail to see what's so hot and different about this...  :-\
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2014, 08:03:36 pm »

it's on the blockchain?
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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2014, 08:04:21 pm »

Oh, wow!!!

Standard user: so?
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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2014, 08:07:57 pm »

nobody can seize your coins. nobody can hack the exchange.
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2014, 08:08:27 pm »

it's on the blockchain?

I think that sums it up. The point isn't to have things to buy with NXT, you can already do that. The point is to have a store that is resistant to censorship. If the backend of the store (the database) lives on the blockchain, then it's not in a centralized location that is easy to take down, like Silk Road was. Silk Road was hard to find, but once found, it was an easy target. A store on the NXT blockchain would be the opposite: it will live in plain sight, but it will be completely decentralized. If I understand correctly, you won't be able to take it down unless you take down every copy of the blockchain.


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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2014, 08:15:39 pm »

Yup, already understand all of this, but still fail to see the advantage for the average user and or company unless they sell stuff that falls in the category: denied on ebay and or other marketplaces...
(plus people would need a special client to access the DGS)
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Re: Digital Goods Store Info
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2014, 08:16:39 pm »

it's on the blockchain?

That was succinct.
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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2014, 08:36:49 pm »

You know, thinking about it.

What would make it "cool" and very easy to use: build a normal https://nxtdgs.com interface where people can browse stuff without having to login to a client, but when they want to buy/sell/add/comment/remove stuff they would need to login / create an account.

Then without knowing, it would reside on the blockchain.

But still....not that excited about it.
Perhaps CfB will blow me away (I hope so).
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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2014, 08:50:12 pm »

Yup, already understand all of this, but still fail to see the advantage for the average user and or company unless they sell stuff that falls in the category: denied on ebay and or other marketplaces...
(plus people would need a special client to access the DGS)

I don't think there is an advantage for the "average" user, they already have eBay. But there were enough people who needed this to give BTC a big boost early on because of its use on Silk Road. This would drive demand for NXT, I think.
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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2014, 08:57:15 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)
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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2014, 09:05:29 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)

That attention could be very helpful, and bring in a lot of new users who want to buy your NXT.

There are also other reasons this could be useful. What if you cannot get a PayPal account, but want to use something like eBay? There are a lot of users outside the First World (and within, just look at payday services) who are locked out of the global financial system, and cryptocurrencies could be really helpful to them, especially in light of the crazy cut that companies like Western Union take out of remittances from family members working outside their home countries. Having a marketplace where they can use their NXT would be helpful.

What about people in countries that restrict what we would consider to be perfectly legal and legitimate purchases? Too bad for them? Anonymity isn't just about drugs and tax evasion, like a lot of people think.

That said, so what if people want to buy drugs? It's their business.
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« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2014, 09:31:50 pm »

Yeah, because as a new starting network one could really need the attention from something as delightful as "Silk Road"....  ::)

That attention could be very helpful, and bring in a lot of new users who want to buy your NXT.
Hmmm, perhaps you shouldn't do marketing  ;)

It's "nice" that it could be used for illegal stuff, but we need real-world large scale uses. Things that would make me want to use this.
So far I haven't heard any (probably just me).

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There are also other reasons this could be useful. What if you cannot get a PayPal account, but want to use something like eBay? There are a lot of users outside the First World (and within, just look at payday services) who are locked out of the global financial system, and cryptocurrencies could be really helpful to them, especially in light of the crazy cut that companies like Western Union take out of remittances from family members working outside their home countries. Having a marketplace where they can use their NXT would be helpful.
So they are locked out of First World stuff, but do have internet / access to a computer (that is not monitored or behind on a government restricted internet) and money to buy first world items. Not even mentioning how they would get the items delivered.

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What about people in countries that restrict what we would consider to be perfectly legal and legitimate purchases? Too bad for them? Anonymity isn't just about drugs and tax evasion, like a lot of people think.

That said, so what if people want to buy drugs? It's their business.
How would these prohibited items get delivered to their homes?

I think you are trying to hard to come up with use-cases as to why this would / could work.
Focus on your target audience: first world, average joe/chen/Alexai/Pedro and now point out the REAL advantages over eBay / Craigslist / marketplace in your country.

Remember: we are going to market this as a USP!
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