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Title: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on November 28, 2015, 08:43:25 pm
In lie of the recent loss of Forex funds (https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/lqdeix-loss-of-forex-funds/), I've decided to reduce the dividend payout to 50% of November's profits in order to start recouping the loss of funds.  Next month will be 55% and so on until we're back to 70%.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Jukie on November 28, 2015, 11:06:27 pm
Will you be trading forex again?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on December 01, 2015, 06:25:35 pm
Will you be trading forex again?

Good question.  https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=9069.msg202473#msg202473
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on June 11, 2016, 12:27:32 am
I have 2 questions I'd like to pose to investors or interested investors that I'd really like feedback on.

1) I still don't feel great about how I'm calculating profit.  For most of the time I've ran LQD, I've calculated profit strictly off of the trade profit numbers.  Regardless of the difference in fund value, I used those numbers to pay dividends.  The obvious problem with that, is it's not always reflective of the fund's profitability.  I recently changed this to calculate strictly off of fund value.  At month's end, I lock down the live balance totals, pay dividend and then continue into next month. The problem with this is, that it doesn't really count profit for the month because it has to overcome the subtraction of the previous month's.  Finally, what I think I'd like to do is continue what I'm doing, except subtract dividends before calculating current month's profits.

2) The current summary sheet that I've been using is too complicated for the average interested investors.  What can I do to explain LQD's profits in a way that's easier to understand?  Should I use a graph/bar chart?  If so, what should I use for x/y axis?  If you're reading this and are just finding out that LQD is a trading fund, what numbers would you like to see to help you decide whether you want to invest?

Thanks everyone. All questions/comments are appreciated.

LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: blackyblack1 on June 11, 2016, 08:02:54 am
2. P/L over time. x axis is time, y axis is profit bar.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: bitdraw on June 12, 2016, 03:59:24 pm
Finally, what I think I'd like to do is continue what I'm doing, except subtract dividends before calculating current month's profits.

i think thats the best solution.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on July 10, 2016, 11:24:30 am
Hi. New user here. Could the faq at liquidtech.info please be updated? I was looking for info and the faq would have been the easiest way to get it.

My questions then:
1. How do i "join"? Do i just buy LQD on the asset exchange and hold it and i'll receive dividend automatically on that account?
2. Do you pay out dividend in NXT or in something else?

(so basically the first two questions in the faq).

Thanks :)
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: san2salim on July 12, 2016, 12:19:14 am
Hi. New user here. Could the faq at liquidtech.info please be updated? I was looking for info and the faq would have been the easiest way to get it.

My questions then:
1. How do i "join"? Do i just buy LQD on the asset exchange and hold it and i'll receive dividend automatically on that account?
2. Do you pay out dividend in NXT or in something else?

(so basically the first two questions in the faq).

Thanks :)

me too, im confuse,
so i just buy LQD at poloniex poloniex.com/exchange#btc_lqd,
and im eligible to receive devidend, "auto distribute" in my NXT poloniex account?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on July 12, 2016, 11:32:44 pm
Hi. New user here. Could the faq at liquidtech.info please be updated? I was looking for info and the faq would have been the easiest way to get it.

My questions then:
1. How do i "join"? Do i just buy LQD on the asset exchange and hold it and i'll receive dividend automatically on that account?
2. Do you pay out dividend in NXT or in something else?

(so basically the first two questions in the faq).

Thanks :)

me too, im confuse,
so i just buy LQD at poloniex poloniex.com/exchange#btc_lqd,
and im eligible to receive devidend, "auto distribute" in my NXT poloniex account?

Great questions guys and I apologize for the incomplete FAQ. However, it's done now.  Check it out here: http://liquidtech.info/faq (http://liquidtech.info/faq) Please feel free to followup if your questions aren't answered.

Thanks for your interest.
LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: rubenbc on July 13, 2016, 12:11:51 am
Great questions guys and I apologize for the incomplete FAQ. However, it's done now.  Check it out here: http://liquidtech.info/faq (http://liquidtech.info/faq) Please feel free to followup if your questions aren't answered.

Thanks for your interest.
LibertyNow

I hope that our interview clarify all doubts ;D
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Arkh on August 14, 2016, 05:10:05 am
Hey,

Do you have a clear plan of the % of divs payed out for the next months ? It's currently still at 35% as the capital is approaching what it was before the hack.

Thanks
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on August 23, 2016, 12:10:54 pm
August went from about 60btc profit to 50btc loss is one day. What happened? :S
Price on both the asset exchange and Poloniex have also plummeted.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Butthead on August 23, 2016, 02:24:15 pm
August went from about 60btc profit to 50btc loss is one day. What happened? :S
Price on both the asset exchange and Poloniex have also plummeted.

Just yesterday Poloniex announced they are delisting LQD (among others). I wonder if it's related?

Here is a post I made about Poloniex's delistings: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=11763.msg223654#msg223654
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Paws1t1veEV on August 23, 2016, 11:51:36 pm
Looks like we were short XMR with half the value of the fund.

LibertyNow, please issue a statement. This appears to be a reckless use of investors funds.

Title: Re: General Information
Post by: fujiwos on August 24, 2016, 06:59:13 am
This sux. The bots losses in a single trade should be limited. Asset price didnt crash too bad though considering the perfect storm situation we have together with the polo delisting.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: fujiwos on August 24, 2016, 06:40:28 pm
...and now the fx guy is messing it up once again. Please, let's do these two things:
1. Limit the bots losses in a single trade to a certain percentage of the capital (mabye 10 or so).
2. stop fx'ing immediately. The performance has been awful anyway compared to the bots profit (under normal circumstances). And now you might not have enough funds to do both.

Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on August 24, 2016, 07:04:00 pm
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on August 24, 2016, 11:49:55 pm
Hey everyone, I understand that the loss and trade size is quite large, but this is an aggro fund.  You can't grow a fund at 50%+ a month without this risk.  There's a lot of Monday quarterbacking going on right now. It's not like it was obvious to everyone that XMR was going to pump 300%+ in a few days due to minor news, a pump group, and Poloniex breaking the wallet so no deposits could be made.  This is the first time this kind of thing has happened in a relatively stable market like XMR which is also being used as a base currency.  I code the bot for historical data and guesses at future pricing.

As I've mentioned several times, the software is beta and it's a high risk investment.  I will keep fine tuning and working on the adjustment algorithm.

With regards to Poloniex, they haven't responded to my multiple requests for dividend payout since Aug. 1.  It was a weird coincidence that they delisted as soon as that XMR pump happened.  I still have not heard back from they why, but I'm guessing they're probably tired of having to distribute the dividend each month.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: mike_reborn on August 25, 2016, 12:07:17 am
I know i'm your partner and everyone will say that i'm by your side regardless, but you actually spoke the truth here. Crypto markets are nuts. That's why i don't touch them...

The bot is doing more than fine, except for the major pump/dump problem. As soon as you manage to develop the algo that can resist that ... well, i see no obstacles from that point on.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: scrawl on August 25, 2016, 11:32:46 am
Bad news. I hope you will keep going regardless. The fund is still profitable overall if you include the dividend payouts. You have more than enough to keep trading, that's all that matters.

I am sure you can find some solutions to the pump&dump problem. Don't trade on margin. Don't go all in on one coin. Set a more aggressive stop loss. Don't trade during periods of high volatility. Yes, this will reduce the profits, but it's better than losing almost everything at regular intervals. No one demanded the fund to grow 50% per month.

If the fund was liquidated at the current size of 77 BTC, each asset would be worth 0.00023 btc, way under the current market price. That's not a good resolution for investors.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on August 26, 2016, 10:00:17 am
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I am sure you can find some solutions to the pump&dump problem. Don't trade on margin. Don't go all in on one coin. Set a more aggressive stop loss. Don't trade during periods of high volatility. Yes, this will reduce the profits, but it's better than losing almost everything at regular intervals. No one demanded the fund to grow 50% per month.
I like the way this fund is working.  Glad I have a chance to buy more cheaply.  If you don't like it, you can always sell.

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If the fund was liquidated at the current size of 77 BTC, each asset would be worth 0.00023 btc, way under the current market price. That's not a good resolution for investors.
This has been the case since inception.  If the fund traded at liquidation value, that essentially means you don't think LibertyNow is adding any value to the capital.  If you can't handle losing 50% of fund value, go invest in T-notes.  Seriously, if you haven't had a portion of your crypto portfolio vanish or shrink by 90% you are either insanely lucky or very new. 

The fund promises unprecedented transparency, not that you get to run it.  Obviously the bot is a work in progress, but that is how it has to be.  I'd rather have LibertyNow running and developing it than myself, or anyone complaining.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Paws1t1veEV on August 27, 2016, 01:49:29 am
Hey everyone, I understand that the loss and trade size is quite large, but this is an aggro fund.  You can't grow a fund at 50%+ a month without this risk.  There's a lot of Monday quarterbacking going on right now. It's not like it was obvious to everyone that XMR was going to pump 300%+ in a few days due to minor news, a pump group, and Poloniex breaking the wallet so no deposits could be made.  This is the first time this kind of thing has happened in a relatively stable market like XMR which is also being used as a base currency.  I code the bot for historical data and guesses at future pricing.

As I've mentioned several times, the software is beta and it's a high risk investment.  I will keep fine tuning and working on the adjustment algorithm.

With regards to Poloniex, they haven't responded to my multiple requests for dividend payout since Aug. 1.  It was a weird coincidence that they delisted as soon as that XMR pump happened.  I still have not heard back from they why, but I'm guessing they're probably tired of having to distribute the dividend each month.

Thank you for the statement.

LQDs transparency is unmatched, and it is clear that the you are able to manage the fund with great returns, barring the few hiccups.

I am still a supporter and hope that we keep the fund going, the revenues are worth the occasional stomach turning loss...

Still, I hope we learn from our mistakes and keep improving. If we can keep returning a BTC today we should make up for our losses shortly.

Thanks again for your honesty and transparency.

-Paws1t1veev
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on August 27, 2016, 06:19:05 am
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on August 27, 2016, 06:34:46 pm
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on August 28, 2016, 08:02:33 am
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08/28 02:12   08/27 12:22   XMR/BTC   7,083.78   1,216,880   892,758   149.581฿   -22,960.10m฿   139.21m฿   -23,099.31m฿   -26.8

Wow, it happened again.

This is making me worry.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on August 28, 2016, 09:11:36 am
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on August 29, 2016, 02:34:22 am
I'd like to make a suggestion that maybe spot on, or maybe too basic.  Google Kelly Criterion (apparently I cannot post links or even plain urls)  This is what I use for determining my game size in poker or bet size in sports.  I understand that Warren Buffet uses this method as well.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on August 29, 2016, 09:48:24 am
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on August 30, 2016, 06:58:19 pm
Disappointing news here. Yes, that balance is accurate.  I took another big loss on the 2nd XMR pump after I adjusted the algorithm.

This surprised me of course because I felt like the adjustment would work really well.  I started looking things over again and realized that the problem wasn't the algorithm itself, but the code running it had a bug in it. sigh...I fixed the bug and am running the code again.  Still not sure what I'm going to do.  I need more capital to make it worth continuing, but of course, who's going to invest capital after these big losses...I'll keep everyone posted.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on September 01, 2016, 06:25:36 am
Hey LibertyNow

I really like this project and I really hope it succeeds.  I'm sorry for what has happened in the last couple of weeks.  I have a few unsolicited ideas that I hope are worth considering.

I think you're right, raising capital right now might be a tough sell.  But after a couple of solid winning months I think interest will be regained quickly.  To that end, I would take some of the forex $ and move it to polo, back to, for example, the proportion it was at before the two big shorts. 

Obviously the consequences for problems can be dire.  Maybe if there were two, three or more versions running at the same time with different accounts, bugs would be found more easily, and their consequences, once introduced would be lessened.  You could break down the funds into some proportion, 1:10:100 or something so that the most stable has the most funds. 

I mentioned the Kelly Criterion in an earlier post, it's worth coming up with an adaptation of it for this marketplace.  That would maximize profit and mitigate risk.

I think just liquidating it now would be a sad end to a really good project with a lot of potential.  With the biggest kinks worked out, this could be a project with different versions spun out like mutual fund brands.  I would hate to see a gigantic opportunity like that vanish because of a bug.

Liquid could be really really big.  Putting in a few solid months could forge a really bright future.  Best case scenario, Liquid gets back on track quickly and can be spun off into different projects, worse case scenario, is about the same as it seems now.

Best of luck.

Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 01, 2016, 03:22:02 pm
Hey LibertyNow

I really like this project and I really hope it succeeds.  I'm sorry for what has happened in the last couple of weeks.  I have a few unsolicited ideas that I hope are worth considering.

I think you're right, raising capital right now might be a tough sell.  But after a couple of solid winning months I think interest will be regained quickly.  To that end, I would take some of the forex $ and move it to polo, back to, for example, the proportion it was at before the two big shorts. 

Obviously the consequences for problems can be dire.  Maybe if there were two, three or more versions running at the same time with different accounts, bugs would be found more easily, and their consequences, once introduced would be lessened.  You could break down the funds into some proportion, 1:10:100 or something so that the most stable has the most funds. 

I mentioned the Kelly Criterion in an earlier post, it's worth coming up with an adaptation of it for this marketplace.  That would maximize profit and mitigate risk.

I think just liquidating it now would be a sad end to a really good project with a lot of potential.  With the biggest kinks worked out, this could be a project with different versions spun out like mutual fund brands.  I would hate to see a gigantic opportunity like that vanish because of a bug.

Liquid could be really really big.  Putting in a few solid months could forge a really bright future.  Best case scenario, Liquid gets back on track quickly and can be spun off into different projects, worse case scenario, is about the same as it seems now.

Best of luck.

Yes, we are going to start moving some FX money back into the bot fund, but it still isn't enough to cover "expenses".  The multiple fund idea is good, but it's a lot of time/work which I don't have at the moment.  So far in the last 18 months, I'm still way down on my own personal investment not to mention the thousands of hours I've spent on this.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on September 02, 2016, 10:16:10 pm
I'm probably missing something, but why is the September profit so far -5 btc in the summary tab at liquidtech.info, but the September profits in the trades tab add up to +0.032 btc?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on September 03, 2016, 03:49:26 am
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I'm probably missing something, but why is the September profit so far -5 btc in the summary tab at liquidtech.info, but the September profits in the trades tab add up to +0.032 btc?
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that right now most of the fund's capital is held in USD and BTC just went up, which means fewer BTC, but I don't think that's all of it.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 03, 2016, 11:34:45 am
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I'm probably missing something, but why is the September profit so far -5 btc in the summary tab at liquidtech.info, but the September profits in the trades tab add up to +0.032 btc?
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that right now most of the fund's capital is held in USD and BTC just went up, which means fewer BTC, but I don't think that's all of it.

It's partially that and I had like 13BTC left as part of that last broken XMR short where I lost that 2nd batch of money before I caught the bug.  Mike and I weren't sure whether close it or wait for the dump which would have made about 10BTC. Anyways, as you can see the pump is still alive so it cracked that last 10BTC. sigh....
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on September 03, 2016, 12:12:31 pm
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 03, 2016, 04:51:28 pm
Why not run LQD on a smaller scale for a while (6-12 months) with 10 BTC or less? When the software has proven itself and is out of beta testing mode, then you can have another LQDAuction and increase the stakes. I think more people would be willing to invest after a period of proven results and documented risk management. Right now, after a loss of more than 200 BTC (or $114,000) I don't think many will invest.

I posted this over on the dividend thread: "Some might wonder why not an option 3 where I just keep going with the small capital I have right now. Answer: Even though these are bots (automated trading) it still takes time to watch them, watch the markets, make sure they're running right, pay for the servers, answer questions about the fund, etc.  I'm not financially able to do all that for just a few bucks each month."

As another aside, it almost ran for 6 months before hitting this weird situation that exposed my bug.  There's no guarantee waiting around for another 6 months will prove anything.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 07, 2016, 03:36:02 pm
Mainly due to the overwhelming positive feedback from so many investors, I've decided to continue running LQD.  I have listed shares in blocks of 20,000 shares starting at 16NXT and going up to 32NXT.  This would put our total outstanding shares at 500k. Please see this spreadsheet for an approximate ROI depending on average investment price.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1glN_eego3N1vXH530a93l_hJpFmDmV7dER_SjRdK6oM/edit#gid=0

As is my style, I decided not to make this announcement flashy or glossy.  Please review the numbers and invest what you can afford and makes sense for you.  I will also be investing even more of my own personal funds.

As I've already mentioned, the bug that caused the loss last time is fixed.  I've also lowered capital use/trade, made some slight variations to the algorithm and most importantly, I've coded a tight stop loss control that should prevent an large future losses, by settling for smaller losses. 

All questions are welcome. Thank you to so many of you that have stuck with me through all the ups and downs and for your constant encouragement.  Here we go again!

LibertyNow

Feel free to contact me on Slack, Twitter, email, or here if you want to buy with just BTC.  I will OTC for you, 2BTC minimum.  We'll use the NXT/BTC price on the balances page: http://www.liquidtech.info/balances
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: huafei on September 09, 2016, 10:19:47 am
any thing about risk management ?
we don't want to lost an other half of fund
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: jrmoreau on September 09, 2016, 10:33:28 am
So, I only just learned about this now. How can I buy shares? It was DE-listed on Poloniex, yes? What other options are there?

Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 09, 2016, 10:53:18 am
any thing about risk management ?
we don't want to lost an other half of fund

I added tighter stop loss controls, lowered capital usage and fixed the bug.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 09, 2016, 10:57:53 am
any thing about risk management ?
we don't want to lost an other half of fund

I added tighter stop loss controls, lowered capital usage and fixed the bug.

Yes, unfortunately, LQD did get delisted from Poloniex.  I'm assuming it was due to lack of volume since it was delisted with a batch of other low volume coins.  You can still buy NXT and then buy LQD through the NXT wallet Asset Exchange.  LQD is asset # 17750387231635486778.

For BTC purchase you can contact me directly and we'll work it out using current NXT/BTC price and the price of the lowest batch. Looks like the 18NXT batch is almost gone so it'll probably be the 20NXT batch. At current NXT price of 3273 that's .0006546/LQD.

Thanks for your interest.
LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: D20160404 on September 09, 2016, 02:39:27 pm
Hi LibertyNow,

Was there still any LQD on Poloniex when it got removed? And do you know what will happen with those assets?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: JanSako on September 09, 2016, 04:14:36 pm
Hi LibertyNow,

Was there still any LQD on Poloniex when it got removed? And do you know what will happen with those assets?

I had some there, they stayed in the list of coins I own, and then I just sent them to my NXT wallet. No worries, they did not get lost or anything... :-)
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: fujiwos on September 09, 2016, 04:16:16 pm
Assets that have been removed from polo can still be withdrawn to your nxt account. I know this because it happened to me with INDEX. Just go to the withdrawl site on polo, your LQDs are still there.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: scrawl on September 09, 2016, 07:26:11 pm
Looks like the bot is performing pretty good even with only 43 BTC in assets - the average profit over the last week was about 0.3 BTC/day.

I picked up some shares, will get a few more this evening. We trust in you LibertyNow!

What happens if not all the shares are sold, and how long will the sale last?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on September 09, 2016, 08:44:44 pm
So, I only just learned about this now. How can I buy shares? It was DE-listed on Poloniex, yes? What other options are there?
The NXT platform has its own decentralized asset exchange. Instead of BTC or USD (like on most centralized exchanges), you need NXT to buy assets such as LQD. You can download the NXT client from nxt.org/download/ (i would make it a link but the forum doesn't allow it). On that same page you can also find a starter guide, although it's pretty easy to use. You create a new account (don't forget to save your passphrase somewhere) and send some NXT to it. Then you go to the asset exchange, add the LQD asset to the shortcut list (asset ID# 17750387231635486778) and you can start trading LQD.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on September 09, 2016, 08:50:28 pm
I'm trying to make sense of the summary page. The profit of this month had just reached positive numbers less than 24 hours ago and now it's -13 btc. It can't be due to the price of btc which has only fluctuated ~2%. The bot made about 0.9 btc profit in the last 24 hours. Maybe i'm just not seeing it, but why the -13 btc now?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on September 10, 2016, 06:54:12 am
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 10, 2016, 12:58:28 pm
Looks like the bot is performing pretty good even with only 43 BTC in assets - the average profit over the last week was about 0.3 BTC/day.

I picked up some shares, will get a few more this evening. We trust in you LibertyNow!

What happens if not all the shares are sold, and how long will the sale last?

Yes, currently it is performing better than I expected.  I thought that with the tighter stop loss controls, there would be more negative trades, but so far, the markets have mostly stayed within range. 

Thanks for your investment and trust. :-)

Unless the price of NXT/BTC goes drastically down, I plan to leave those shares up at least until the end of the month at the current amount and price.  If the price does go down, I probably will just increase the price to ballpark match the original intended BTC goal.

LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 10, 2016, 01:42:30 pm
I'm trying to make sense of the summary page. The profit of this month had just reached positive numbers less than 24 hours ago and now it's -13 btc. It can't be due to the price of btc which has only fluctuated ~2%. The bot made about 0.9 btc profit in the last 24 hours. Maybe i'm just not seeing it, but why the -13 btc now?

Yes, sorry for the confusion.  The capital raised mucks with the numbers a bit which I fixed last night (about 12 hours ago). That wasn't actually positive profit, it was just showing more capital than last month because of that capital we've been raising.  When that last margin call hit on 9/2, I cancelled all the trades and closed everything down.  In that case, I needed to manually add that negative trade. You can see it if you go down to 9/2 on the daily trade profit list.

Friday, Sep. 2, 2016   -14.374฿   0.000฿   0.000฿   -14.374฿

As the fundraising continues, that top number will not always be accurate.  Focus more on the monthly trade profit numbers. That's what I'll be paying the div. out on this month.

September 2016   -11.197฿   0.000฿   0.000฿   -11.197฿

LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 10, 2016, 02:05:56 pm
One of the latest trades:
09/10 00:01    09/09 14:13    XMR/BTC    2,583.21    1,990,080    2,000,800    51.591฿    103.182฿    276.92m฿    89.29m฿    187.63m฿    0.4

2,583.21 XMR were bought at price 1,990,080, which gives an order size of 51.591฿. At the same time the Poloniex BTC balance is currently about 28฿. So here we go again, gearing factor of 1.84. Including all the other assets, the order size is larger than LQD's total value (46฿). One adjustment seems to be that a profit margin of 0.4% is accepted, compared to 1% previously. Anyway, the high risk behavior which caused the massive losses in August continues. Similar losses are likely to appear again in the future, but perhaps smaller because of a tighter stop-loss.

GH,

I appreciate the feedback and that you are reviewing things.  I updated the title of the trades page to say this, "The orders listed below are usually comprised of dozens or sometimes hundreds of trades."  Meaning that I'm not making one trade for 2,583.21 XMR at 1990 and then hoping I can sell it at 2000.  The program is running tons of trades a minute when the action is hot and reporting all of it would be meaningless, would be a massive page and could potentially give away the algorithm I'm using which I'm purposefully keeping secret.

The major difference that you can glean off of this is that

1) "yes", the profit was only .4%, meaning that the code did start closing at a loss because the big XMR dump, however it had the opportunity about halfway through to attempt for a profit which it did.  If that opportunity had gone away, it would have then closed at a loss completely.

2) Probably about 1/3 of the margin was in use briefly before the code started to close the trades at a loss.  One of the numerous challenges in bot programming is to maximize margin in the most extreme case.  If that can be accomplished, then decent profit the other 99% of the time can be achieved.  This was a pretty fast dump and so if a "lot" of margin is used briefly, then I believe that is correct.

Thanks for your feedback and persistence. Please feel free to keep asking and I will do my best to answer as clear as I can. Sometimes I will need to be cryptic though to protect what I feel is a valuable algorithm.

LibertyNow

P.S. I updated the order columns to also say, "AVERAGE Buy Price" and "AVERAGE Sell Price" and then put the price in plain decimal BTC rather than satoshis as before.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 10, 2016, 02:18:44 pm
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: gh on September 11, 2016, 12:35:53 pm
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Title: Re: General Information
Post by: tesforex on September 17, 2016, 12:25:13 am
Glad to see LibertyNow has modified the bot. We look forward to a steady buildup of LQD value.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Bonez0r on September 17, 2016, 03:31:45 pm
If the forex money is added to poloniex, that's another 17 btc for the bot to trade with. Not much seems to be happening on the forex front (as far as i can see), so isn't it a waste to let that money sit there idly not earning anything, when it could be used to grow the balance faster?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on September 18, 2016, 11:08:35 pm
If the forex money is added to poloniex, that's another 17 btc for the bot to trade with. Not much seems to be happening on the forex front (as far as i can see), so isn't it a waste to let that money sit there idly not earning anything, when it could be used to grow the balance faster?

Yes, right now, we are drawing the Forex account down to $5k.  This is slow though due to Mike's withdraw limits, but you will slowly see it go down.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: scrawl on October 13, 2016, 12:52:28 pm
I think there's a glitch in your summary, showing 984,918LQD of assets, when it was <400k yesterday. Is it counting your ARDOR assets as liquid assets?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on October 13, 2016, 01:18:20 pm
I think there's a glitch in your summary, showing 984,918LQD of assets, when it was <400k yesterday. Is it counting your ARDOR assets as liquid assets?

Sorry, this is just a temporary glitch as I'm updating the NXT wallet.  It should be correct in an hour. Outstanding shares are just shy of 400k right now.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Paws1t1veEV on October 14, 2016, 01:13:33 am
Does Liquid hold any ardor assets? What is the funds plan for these?
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on October 16, 2016, 01:58:09 am
Does Liquid hold any ardor assets? What is the funds plan for these?

Yes, about 200,000 Ardor. I'm holding them right now to trade them when they open on Poloniex. Eventually, I'll probably convert them to BTC to increase BTC trade capital.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: taggartd on October 30, 2016, 10:26:19 am
Liquid i don't know what kind of algorithm you have implemented, but trading ZEC on the first day, with a ridicolous supply (almost zero...) isn't a smart move at least, except if you make arbitrage.
Wait at least some days when volatility drops.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on October 30, 2016, 05:36:07 pm
Liquid i don't know what kind of algorithm you have implemented, but trading ZEC on the first day, with a ridicolous supply (almost zero...) isn't a smart move at least, except if you make arbitrage.
Wait at least some days when volatility drops.


Yes, turns out it was a stupid decision.  I've been able to make large profits in the past on new markets, so that's why I gave it a go.  The early motion made me think it could be profitable, but i realized too late that the buy side of the orderbook is mostly fake.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on January 19, 2017, 07:39:35 pm
I posted a poll on Twitter AND on the NXT AE on how I should pay out upcoming dividends. Whether we should say with NXT payments or switch to Ardor or both...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/tech_liquid/status/822112571251683328
NXT AE: TXID: 12521463966928497479 POLL ID: 12521463966928497479

Please VOTE!

Thanks,
LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on January 19, 2017, 08:52:10 pm
I posted a poll on Twitter AND on the NXT AE on how I should pay out upcoming dividends. Whether we should say with NXT payments or switch to Ardor or both...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/tech_liquid/status/822112571251683328
NXT AE: TXID: 12521463966928497479 POLL ID: 12521463966928497479

Please VOTE!

Thanks,
LibertyNow

For the middle choice, I meant 50% NXT, 50% ARDR
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ThankYouMaam on January 21, 2017, 07:34:50 pm
For clarification about the poll:

Since according to their website https://www.ardorplatform.org/ (https://www.ardorplatform.org/) the actual ardor coin/platform won't launch until 3rd quarter this year, is the poll asking if we wish to switch to ardor once the platform is up and running or is it asking if we'd like to receive dividends in the ardr asset on the NXT blockchain? 

Thanks
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on January 21, 2017, 07:55:40 pm
Asking whether you would like to receive the ARDR asset for the dividend payment which eventually will be converted to ARDOR in Q3.

LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on March 02, 2017, 03:17:31 am
Fellow Investors,

It's with a sad heart that I am announcing the end of LQD.  I'm no longer convinced that I am capable of writing a trading bot that can make consistant profits and do not want to spend more time and money on this venture.

I thank you for all of your tremendous support through the last few years.  It's been quite a rollercoaster for me with good times and bad times.  Please accept my apology for the loss that I know some of you will be taking.  I myself have also taken a substantial loss not including time.  I never intended this to happen and always had large dreams of making profits for myself, us and the community.

I will be liquidating the fund and putting up a buy wall at 20 NXT.  I sold into all the buyers over 20NXT and sent them their NXT so that nobody who hadn't invested yet would take a loss.  I will be shutting down the website immediately and will probably be taking some significant time off for a while.

Even though EDGE was successful in it's short stint, I will also be shutting it down and putting up a buy wall at 200 NXT.

Sincerly,
LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on March 02, 2017, 03:17:42 am
Fellow Investors,

It's with a sad heart that I am announcing the end of LQD.  I'm no longer convinced that I am capable of writing a trading bot that can make consistant profits and do not want to spend more time and money on this venture.

I thank you for all of your tremendous support through the last few years.  It's been quite a rollercoaster for me with good times and bad times.  Please accept my apology for the loss that I know some of you will be taking.  I myself have also taken a substantial loss not including time.  I never intended this to happen and always had large dreams of making profits for myself, us and the community.

I will be liquidating the fund and putting up a buy wall at 20 NXT.  I sold into all the buyers over 20NXT and sent them their NXT so that nobody who hadn't invested yet would take a loss.  I will be shutting down the website immediately and will probably be taking some significant time off for a while.

Even though EDGE was successful in it's short stint, I will also be shutting it down and putting up a buy wall at 200 NXT.

Sincerly,
LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: scrawl on March 02, 2017, 06:22:22 am
Ah, shucks. Even though I'm taking a loss with my LQD, I have to say it was a lot of fun to keep watching the site. The transparency you've provided throughout is commendable.

When you've had enough time off, maybe you would consider going back to arbitrage? There seem to be some decent arb opportunities between Polo and Bitfinex, Bittrex and/or BTC-E these days, and it would be practically impossible to lose money with a market-neutral arb strategy.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: taggartd on March 02, 2017, 01:42:53 pm
Ah, shucks. Even though I'm taking a loss with my LQD, I have to say it was a lot of fun to keep watching the site. The transparency you've provided throughout is commendable.

When you've had enough time off, maybe you would consider going back to arbitrage? There seem to be some decent arb opportunities between Polo and Bitfinex, Bittrex and/or BTC-E these days, and it would be practically impossible to lose money with a market-neutral arb strategy.
Same considerations for me, so i quote  :). LibertyNow i hope to see some project by you in the future. I think the arbitrage suggestion is a good one. Trading it's a bad beast...
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on March 08, 2017, 03:03:36 am
FINAL NOTICE: The cutoff date for LQD reimbursement is 2300 GMT, March 11, 2017.  If you still have LQD that are qualified for reimbursement, send it to NXT-M2Y7-FKFH-CAQC-DEF7N and if valid, I will reimburse to the sending NXT account.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: JohnHolmes on March 10, 2017, 02:44:54 am
FINAL NOTICE: The cutoff date for LQD reimbursement is 2300 GMT, March 11, 2017.  If you still have LQD that are qualified for reimbursement, send it to NXT-M2Y7-FKFH-CAQC-DEF7N and if valid, I will reimburse to the sending NXT account.

Can you provide an extension of time, I have my LQD in a mynxt.info account, and it looks like the online wallet service is down.
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: ozfig on March 11, 2017, 09:02:46 am
FINAL NOTICE: The cutoff date for LQD reimbursement is 2300 GMT, March 11, 2017.  If you still have LQD that are qualified for reimbursement, send it to NXT-M2Y7-FKFH-CAQC-DEF7N and if valid, I will reimburse to the sending NXT account.
Hi Liberty,
'Just read the news, sad.
I still have a bunch of shares, will you take them as per your offer? (I believe you set the deadline to today)
'PM'd you my Nxt address so you can check it out.
Thanks and wishing you the best!
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: LibertyNow on March 11, 2017, 04:07:04 pm
This is the last day for redemption.

Send your shares here for reimbursement: NXT-M2Y7-FKFH-CAQC-DEF7N

If any of your shares were purchased/transferred to your account on or after March 4, there will NO be reimbursement for ANY of them.

Two reasons I'm not reimbursing after today. 1) No NXT left, I've been reimbursing out of my personal money. 2) Trying to sort through who, what, when and why is time consuming and this is one of the main reasons I'm stopping LQD

Thanks again for the crazy 2 year run everyone! Good luck in your future endeavors.

LibertyNow
Title: Re: General Information
Post by: Arkh on March 21, 2017, 04:56:35 pm
Huh just saw that, am I late to the party ? :/
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