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Nxt Discussion => Nxt Technical Discussion => Nxt Core Development => Leasing & Pools => Topic started by: forkedchain on May 04, 2014, 12:56:55 am

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: forkedchain on May 04, 2014, 12:56:55 am
Note that this 2 NXT for withdrawal has nothing to do with withdrawing your lease, that is free, When I say withdraw, I mean withdraw your earnings.

AE release is after leased forging.  at 1000 NXT per asset, if you want guaranteed forging the leased forging pool I am working on for nxtcrypto.org VPSs is built inherently with HA (high availability) forging nodes running in tandem.  the 2 nodes communicate and if 1 is forging the other makes sure its not, and vice versa.  This part is actually already working right now, for account 1460178482 which will be the forging pool account.

I will not charge ANY fees for this leased pool forging service.  The only cost required is whenever you build up a balance and want a payout, to merely send an AM (your cost is 1 NXT) to the forging account, and you will get your earnings sent to you minus the 1 NXT for the pool to transfer you your NXT.

im also programming fork detection and block orphan detection into the whole thing, so it should be 100% smooth automatic operation, none of this BS like where exchanges temp "lose" your withdrawal and you have to contact them for resolution.  this happens because NXT does occasionally fork, and sometime it happens when people are requesting withdraw.


To lease your balance, after you receive block 130000 (very soon now) use this link :

http://localhost:7876/test?requestType=leaseBalance

period:
32767
This lease period is set in the form by number of blocks.  You can use whatever value you want here, from 1440 to 32767 I believe.  28800 would be a bit over 1 month.  to save your NXT and prevent hassle of resending lease too frequently, you may want to just use max 32767

recipient:
1460178482 

public key:
(leave this one blank)

feeNQT:
100000000

deadline:
1440

leave the last 2 blank as well


When leasing, you still maintain full control of your NXT - the pool simply receives your "effectiveBalance" which is only your current forging power.   You can still sell any amount of your NXT or receive some.  The pool cannot do anything with your NXT account or balance.  When you sell/buy more during an active lease, what happens is your contribution to the pool is automatically adjusted for in the NXT protocol.

Keep in mind that when you lease out, you immediately lose all forging power and the pool does not receive it until 1440 blocks have passed, then the lease becomes active for duration of whatever blocks you set, remember that URL witl blocks=14400 will lease for about 1/2 a month.

So my program & DB simply keeps track of things and processes AMs sent from users to the pool as requests for payment, and generates a payment if there are funds, and the funds minus min NQT transaction fee > 0.

https://ardorpool.tezzigator.com/NXTWallet/Status
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 04, 2014, 05:13:51 pm
In the above URL, fee needs to be feeNQT. And to avoid problems with special characters in secret phrase having to be encoded, use a form such as: https://localhost:7876/test?requestType=leaseBalance
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 04, 2014, 06:00:16 pm
How does that work?

Is there any login or registration needed?

Do I just lease it to you and you share the winnings of all accounts equally to the forging power they give you?

General leasing question: I have full access over my account and can make sendings/receive NXT?
My leased forging power is automatically adjusted to my balance?

so much questions... :D thanks already
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 04, 2014, 10:47:26 pm
The easy way to do it (it works on the test net, so I guess it will work on the main net too):
1. launch your client
2. open http://localhost:7876 (or https://localhost:7876 or whatever)
3. click "more info" on the square showing your account balance
4. click the "Account Leasing" tab
5. click "lease your balance to another account"
6. insert the account you wish to lease your balance to. Set for how long under "period" (it is expressed in blocks, so 1440 blocks = 24h) and finally set your secret phrase.
7. click the "lease balance" button.

How does that work?
Essentially he sets up an account. People lease their forging power to that account. What this means for you:
1. You do not need to leave your client open 24/7 in order to forge. He will. (truth be told, it is better if you still do for the sake of the network)
2. If you have small amounts of NXT, it is hard to compete (in terms of chance of generating a block) with accounts that own huge amounts of NXT. Account leasing allows "small fishes" to gain more relevance. Of course that does not entirely solve your problem. If you have a few NXT, you will still get a low percentage of the fees gained by the pool since your contribution is small.
3. It is safer than before. There were already forging pools before, but you had to send them your money. This requires trust in the pool, since they can decide to keep the coins. With leased forging, you give them just your "forging power", the coins are still in your account.

Is there any login or registration needed?
I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that. The only interaction you really need with the pool depends on how the rewards are handled. I suppose the idea is that you will be able to request a payout by sending an arbitrary message.

Do I just lease it to you and you share the winnings of all accounts equally to the forging power they give you?

Yes, that is the idea. More people get together to have a higher chance of generating a block. If the pool manages to do so, he will accumulate the reward every user deserves proportionally to the forging power of each. This still requires an element of trust. Your leased balance will automatically get back when the leasing period ends. However, how to handle the forging rewards is entirely up to the pool manager, so you cannot be sure (at least not 100% sure) that the pool will pay you accordingly. (compare this to the trust you needed before, where you had to send them your money)

General leasing question: I have full access over my account and can make sendings/receive NXT?
My leased forging power is automatically adjusted to my balance?

The NXT do not leave your account. If you have 1000 NXT and you lease them. Then the pool will register this has your forging power. If you spend half of them, the amount leased will decrease accordingly on the pool's side. It is up to the pool to keep track how every account leasing they power to them is actually contributing at any given time.
Needless to say, if you lease your balance and you still decide to forge on your account, it will count only once.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: CryptKeeper on May 05, 2014, 06:31:28 am
If I'm leasing my forging power, am I still able to sell my nxt? And if yes, does this transaction breaks the lease?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 05, 2014, 08:35:47 am
Yes you still can sell your NXT. You do not break the lease, from the pool's perspective you were leasing X NXT for a while and then suddenly started leasing just an amount Y. The pool is supposed to track these variations when it calculates your contribution.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 05, 2014, 01:30:19 pm
In the above URL, fee needs to be feeNQT. And to avoid problems with special characters in secret phrase having to be encoded, use a form such as: https://localhost:7876/test?requestType=leaseBalance

thanks.  I thought NQT didnt become active until 132k.  so the form you're provided is a much better option anyways.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 05, 2014, 06:02:04 pm
There is a bug where? I just tried it again on localhost with POST enforced, and didn't have any problems submitting a lease request with this form.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 05, 2014, 08:26:18 pm
weird
There is a bug where? I just tried it again on localhost with POST enforced, and didn't have any problems submitting a lease request with this form.


wait nevermind, not sure what I did wrong but i guess i must have tried to connect to a different host.  its working now
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: CryptKeeper on May 06, 2014, 11:50:34 am
Yes you still can sell your NXT. You do not break the lease, from the pool's perspective you were leasing X NXT for a while and then suddenly started leasing just an amount Y. The pool is supposed to track these variations when it calculates your contribution.

Thanks, quite clever how this is handled.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 06, 2014, 12:05:56 pm
@forkedchain I would like to use this. Is there any transparency in the pools earnings?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rudeboi on May 06, 2014, 01:04:38 pm
Looks good.

I will lease over my balance to the forging pool to try this out.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 06, 2014, 01:21:25 pm
@forkedchain I would like to use this. Is there any transparency in the pools earnings?

this will be accomplished by php interface into the db where you can search or get a list of all blocks, leasors, etc and see how fees were divided.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 06, 2014, 01:22:30 pm
great! I will wait until this works and give you my forging power ;)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 06, 2014, 01:28:21 pm
I will follow this and probably add my Nxt to your forging pool.

Is there a way for me to query your effective balance?  Either through a client or a Block Explorer?

I have over +600k Nxt and though I hit blocks, 75% don't have fees.  I prefer to be forging with at least a few million Nxt so that I can get more consistent payouts.

Thanks FC.  This is really awesome.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 06, 2014, 02:19:32 pm
great! I will wait until this works and give you my forging power ;)

the high-availability forging is currently working, as is the tracking of each leasor's balance as of each new block.  So hopefully we can get as many leasors as possible before AE release, as those are 1000 a pop.

I will follow this and probably add my Nxt to your forging pool.

Is there a way for me to query your effective balance?  Either through a client or a Block Explorer?

I have over +600k Nxt and though I hit blocks, 75% don't have fees.  I prefer to be forging with at least a few million Nxt so that I can get more consistent payouts.

Thanks FC.  This is really awesome.

if you use the getAccount API you will get the pools forging power returned as effectiveBalanceNXT, along with all the lessors

Code: [Select]
# ncli getAccount l 16485327922386980388

    balanceNQT: 2000500000000
    effectiveBalanceNXT: 495004
    lessors:
        7280542853324874741
        13578790447497894235

    publicKey: dfa7078530beb39097c1e8faa62a192020d25b558a51f3705192cc46bcd62a45
    unconfirmedBalanceNQT: 2000500000000

#

to get the pool account's, or any lessors' individual forging power, use getGuaranteedBalance API using 1440 as number of confirmations


Code: [Select]
# ncli getGuaranteedBalance l 16485327922386980388 1440

    guaranteedBalanceNQT: 2000400000000

#

note that those 2 APIs I just showed you are in the testnet, none of the leases the production pool 1460178482 has received in the main chain have matured through the 1440 blocks yet, so they dont even show up yet.  but you get the general idea.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MrV777 on May 06, 2014, 02:26:04 pm
I have over +600k Nxt and though I hit blocks, 75% don't have fees.  I prefer to be forging with at least a few million Nxt so that I can get more consistent payouts.

600,000 NXT?  Nice!  I thought I wasn't doing too bad with 15,000... Ha
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 06, 2014, 05:56:02 pm
There is a bug where? I just tried it again on localhost with POST enforced, and didn't have any problems submitting a lease request with this form.

i think i just replicated the problem.  it looks like in testnet maybe it works correctly?  I just tried it on production main net client 1.0.0 and got the POST required API response.  then I disabled POST and now instead of taking me to the form it just says
{"errorCode":3,"errorDescription":"\"period\" not specified"}

in testnet, my 1.0.0 testnet client just takes me to the form


ETA: nevermind, I see that the test? needs to stay as is, even in production net if you arent on testnet. sorry
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: allbits on May 06, 2014, 07:09:59 pm
So I can lease my forging power to you now?

I just follow the instructions above?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: theironman on May 06, 2014, 07:14:16 pm
It says:
Account Balance - Leased Soon   ::)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: barbierir on May 06, 2014, 09:04:25 pm
How much does the fee for leasing cost? 1 Nxt? It needs to be the lowest possible, otherwise people with small account would lose more nxt by leasing them than they ever get back
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 06, 2014, 09:05:29 pm
period:
32767
This lease period is set in the form by number of blocks.  You can use whatever value you want here, from 1440 to 32767 I believe.  28800 would be a bit over 1 month.
Isn't 28800 20 days? 32767 is just over 22 days, so if that's the maximum it isn't possible to set to over a month?

Presumably the only way to cancel is to transfer my NXT to another account, and leave the leased one empty until the lease expires.

Anyway, this seems like a cool thing. My chances of successfully mining are so low it doesn't seem worth leaving my computer on 24/7, so I was feeling disenfranchised. This should fix that. I'm looking forward to getting a UI that will query my balance so I know if it's worth trying to withdraw anything. Supposing I don't withdraw, are the NXT you owe me included in the amount I am leasing to you, or are they effectively split between everyone in the pool, or what?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 06, 2014, 09:40:13 pm
ETA: nevermind, I see that the test? needs to stay as is, even in production net if you arent on testnet. sorry
Right, that /test in the url has nothing to do with testnet or not. It is just a separate servlet, which is mostly used for testing the API manually, this is why I called it /test.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: zuqka on May 07, 2014, 09:38:31 am
Done,

12489018678746049710 leased (soon).

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 07, 2014, 12:54:26 pm
ForkedChain:  Please engage this post.

https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/leased-forging-pools-promotion-from-4747-888/msg16757/#msg16757

If this guy with 50M Nxt joins your pool, so will I.  Well, I'm planning on joining your pool anyway.  I'm just saying, 5% of all Nxt would be good for marketing your service.

Also, if you are planning on giving back all earnings, I assume you have a mechanism to determine how much Nxt each forger is due.  Are you going to make a stats page for this?  Not trying to rush you but I am curious about your future plans.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 07, 2014, 05:21:15 pm
of course the remediation is a requirement of a leased pool.  ive actually pretty much got all pieces of it tested, just need to assemble the pieces.

I do have this ready now though:

http://vps3.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

so you can track the pools power as of latest block, and each pool members balance as well.  right now there is just 1 member but in a few more hours the other leases should become active and you will see the table start to populate.  ill be adding more and more stats as well
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 07, 2014, 07:37:03 pm
Ah, I'm getting excited about just testing this feature.

I threw my balance toward your pool for 1 week.  Let's hope it pays off for all of us!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 01:08:54 am
I will probably migrating everything to a new virtual web host called pool.nxtcrypto.org but for now its all on vps3.

I have 2 pages ready now.  Note the data is hyperlinked to the block explorer.

http://vps3.nxtcrypto.org/status.php which gives most latest block and leasor balances as of that block.  There are a few leases that are about to mature and begin participating in maybe 3 or 4 hours.  There is just 1 account there now, the pool forging account, so in the next few hours this list will begin populating

http://vps3.nxtcrypto.org/earnings.php will give a table of all leasors' earnings based by forged block.  Its empty now due to the pool not having forged any blocks but hopefully that will change soon!  Its just a flat table now but soon I will add a form for you to select a block or a leasor to just view those particular facts.

Both of those pages are available on vps2.nxtcrypto.org as well, so you can see better how things will work.  It is on my private testnet, but keep in mind that the accounts/blocks reported on the testnet wont give valid data on the block explorer.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Mistafreeze on May 08, 2014, 12:55:41 pm
Leased my 87,000. 65,000 more on the way from Cryptsy.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: starik69 on May 08, 2014, 01:01:32 pm
http://vps2.nxtcrypto.org/status.php and http://vps3.nxtcrypto.org/status.php show different data. 2 seems on fork and 3 stuck on an old block :'(
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 08, 2014, 01:03:08 pm
Sent you some forging power, will get more soon.

Another question, can I decide how much of my holdings are contributed to the leasing?

Or is it always the total holdings (aka forging power) of an account?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Mistafreeze on May 08, 2014, 01:06:56 pm
I believe it's all or nothing.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: chanc3r on May 08, 2014, 01:42:50 pm
29996814460165 on its way
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 01:49:49 pm
WOOHOO we forged a block

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=4991095478321800237

no fees but still.  we have 10 participants in the pool, forging power is currently 765009.  ill check to see why the reporting stopped working right.

but vps2 will report its own separate fork, like i said, its on its private testnet.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 08, 2014, 02:13:11 pm
WOOHOO we forged a block

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=4991095478321800237

no fees but still.  we have 10 participants in the pool, forging power is currently 765009.  ill check to see why the reporting stopped working right.

but vps2 will report its own separate fork, like i said, its on its private testnet.

It should be over 1.3M in another 12 hours, or so!

;)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: chanc3r on May 08, 2014, 02:56:12 pm
WOOHOO we forged a block

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=4991095478321800237

no fees but still.  we have 10 participants in the pool, forging power is currently 765009.  ill check to see why the reporting stopped working right.

but vps2 will report its own separate fork, like i said, its on its private testnet.

It should be over 1.3M in another 12 hours, or so!

;)

and about 12 after that 1.8M :D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: furball on May 08, 2014, 04:00:36 pm
Sorry about the zero balance there  ;) ...set my account up to lease but ended up transferring my NXT to a different account with a stronger password...once it clears I'll set to lease again.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 04:12:11 pm
hah, in fact that zero balance is what cause my program to crash last night and thats why for a few hours the reporting was hung and all screwey

what happened is i had my program set to just strip of the last 8 digits to convert NQT to NXT, but if your balance is already zero....

well its fixed for now but I need to do 1 more thing to that part of the logic as when fractional NXt kicks in itll do it again.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 08, 2014, 04:15:58 pm
Forging pools now have a wiki page.
I am fairly sure you have access to the wiki, if something is wrong or needs to be updated do it. If you do not have access, just send me a message or something and I will take care of it.
I am not entirely sure about the withdrawal, in particular if it requires a specific format.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 04:22:05 pm
the AM that serves as the withdrawal can have nothing in the message, or whatever you want to put in there.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Nxter on May 08, 2014, 05:07:12 pm
If i buy more NXT and transfer them to the leasing account, does the pool get the forging power of those new NXT automatically?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 08, 2014, 05:08:23 pm
I think you might have to wait twice to receive 1440 Confirmations.

First at your account, then for the lease. But this should all happen automatically as far as i know
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: chanc3r on May 08, 2014, 05:13:50 pm
If i buy more NXT and transfer them to the leasing account, does the pool get the forging power of those new NXT automatically?

It gets your effective balance - it takes 1440 confirms for NXT to be added to your effective balance...
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: furball on May 08, 2014, 06:12:50 pm
hah, in fact that zero balance is what cause my program to crash last night and thats why for a few hours the reporting was hung and all screwey

what happened is i had my program set to just strip of the last 8 digits to convert NQT to NXT, but if your balance is already zero....

well its fixed for now but I need to do 1 more thing to that part of the logic as when fractional NXt kicks in itll do it again.

Ooops! Sorry bout that!  :-\ Glad you got it sorted...appreciate the hard work you put in!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 08, 2014, 07:21:29 pm
And the first non-empty block arrives: http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=6492155331028455611 (http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=6492155331028455611)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 07:24:26 pm
yeah, reporting php webpage isnt working though, which is odd, if you look at the lab, it works perfectly.  ill figure it out...
Code: [Select]
+----------------------+---------------------+--------+------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------+-------------+
| account              | forgedBlockId       | height | effectiveBalance | poolBalance | ratio       | blockFees | earningsNQT |
+----------------------+---------------------+--------+------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------+-------------+
| 10889196890436167919 | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |                0 |     2981142 | 0.000000000 | 100000000 |           0 |
| 12758007407737452756 | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |             1939 |     2981142 | 0.000650421 | 100000000 |       65042 |
| 14171799391129501383 | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |              646 |     2981142 | 0.000216695 | 100000000 |       21670 |
| 1460178482           | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |                1 |     2981142 | 0.000000335 | 100000000 |          34 |
| 1919203033409008852  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |             1197 |     2981142 | 0.000401523 | 100000000 |       40152 |
| 2319251              | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |            20296 |     2981142 | 0.006808129 | 100000000 |      680813 |
| 5720962949012144242  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |          2197902 |     2981142 | 0.737268469 | 100000000 |    73726847 |
| 6356615938955034032  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |           592893 |     2981142 | 0.198881167 | 100000000 |    19888117 |
| 648774468            | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |              697 |     2981142 | 0.000233803 | 100000000 |       23380 |
| 6896696397779426254  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |            58998 |     2981142 | 0.019790402 | 100000000 |     1979040 |
| 7606968008269260975  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |            87146 |     2981142 | 0.029232421 | 100000000 |     2923242 |
| 8052554912049761802  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |            17585 |     2981142 | 0.005898746 | 100000000 |      589875 |
| 8181621363552733045  | 6492155331028455611 | 132078 |             1842 |     2981142 | 0.000617884 | 100000000 |       61788 |
+----------------------+---------------------+--------+------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------+-------------+

ok the table displays now but for some reason it things every block generated it the pools .... hold tight.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 08:07:05 pm
ok got that resolved.  next im going to add the time to generate a block on the status page

and also now should also show empty blocks in the earnings table.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 08, 2014, 08:09:23 pm
I have heard that was very buggy on the old NRS. I never forged a block then so I don't know.

Is there any news or upgrades since then? Or do you estimate a time by given forging power (as odds)?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 08:11:16 pm
its not an estimation, its a countdown timer to the point where your account can generate a block that will be accepted as the next block by all other nodes on the chain.

so if no one else comes eligible before that period of time is up, you forge.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: vytasz7 on May 08, 2014, 09:23:12 pm
when i tried to lease my nxt, i got incorect deadline wrote 1440 why is that?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: gary on May 08, 2014, 09:29:28 pm
Hello,

Do you think it will be possible to make your program opensource ?

Thanks !
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 08, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
Anyway, this seems like a cool thing. My chances of successfully mining are so low it doesn't seem worth leaving my computer on 24/7, so I was feeling disenfranchised. This should fix that.
Thinking about this some more, I guess it helps but it doesn't fix it. If it costs 1 NXT to lease for 22 days, then it is only worth me leasing if I have enough forging power to earn more than 1 NXT in that time. Even if it turns out leasing for longer is possible, the longer the lease period, the less responsive we can be to dishonest pool managers.

Obviously decreasing the fees won't change this, because that would also reduce the forging revenue to be shared. Having a different minimum fee for leasing versus other transaction types would help, but it would set a bad precedent that would quickly become a political nightmare, because every feature would want cheap fees to encourage its use; uniform fees are simpler. It may be that poor people just can't be helped.

However, it seems to me it'd be better if leases ran until cancelled. Then that 1 NXT cost would be ameliorated over a much longer time period. Although being able to cancel a lease looks like a poor deal for the pool, from their point of view it's no different to me creating a new account and transferring my balance to it. From my point of view being able to cancel would save the inconvenience of managing the second account. I doubt people would cancel frivolously, because they lose their forging power for 24 hours each time they do it. So I'm not seeing any obvious drawback to this approach. Was it considered when the leasing feature was designed, and if so, what was the reason it was rejected? I'm new to NXT so no doubt I'm missing something.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pandaisftw on May 08, 2014, 09:45:23 pm
Anyway, this seems like a cool thing. My chances of successfully mining are so low it doesn't seem worth leaving my computer on 24/7, so I was feeling disenfranchised. This should fix that.
Thinking about this some more, I guess it helps but it doesn't fix it. If it costs 1 NXT to lease for 22 days, then it is only worth me leasing if I have enough forging power to earn more than 1 NXT in that time. Even if it turns out leasing for longer is possible, the longer the lease period, the less responsive we can be to dishonest pool managers.

Obviously decreasing the fees won't change this, because that would also reduce the forging revenue to be shared. Having a different minimum fee for leasing versus other transaction types would help, but it would set a bad precedent that would quickly become a political nightmare, because every feature would want cheap fees to encourage its use; uniform fees are simpler. It may be that poor people just can't be helped.

However, it seems to me it'd be better if leases ran until cancelled. Then that 1 NXT cost would be ameliorated over a much longer time period. Although being able to cancel a lease looks like a poor deal for the pool, from their point of view it's no different to me creating a new account and transferring my balance to it. From my point of view being able to cancel would save the inconvenience of managing the second account. I doubt people would cancel frivolously, because they lose their forging power for 24 hours each time they do it. So I'm not seeing any obvious drawback to this approach. Was it considered when the leasing feature was designed, and if so, what was the reason it was rejected? I'm new to NXT so no doubt I'm missing something.

IMO, if and when the minimum fee is reduced, we'll see a lot more transactions. Some of it will be from users, but I'd wager most of it would be from services that are built ontop of NXT suddenly being able to cheaply send out a ton of transactions that would have been cost prohibitive before.

Pandaisftw
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 08, 2014, 10:30:42 pm
Hello,

Do you think it will be possible to make your program opensource ?

Thanks !

no, ive spent waaaaay to much time on this.  maybe if techdev committe wanted to fund me I might.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: allwelder on May 09, 2014, 02:54:39 am
will have a try
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 01:28:26 pm
so what improvements to reporting do you all want next.  today I will work on updating number of blocks forged on the status page, and also making a view of individual accounts and their blocks/earnings.

but after that?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 09, 2014, 01:33:48 pm
Thats it. Thanks :D

Oh, and can you translate NQT to NXT? (like 0.01 NXT)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Nxter on May 09, 2014, 01:36:37 pm
so what improvements to reporting do you all want next.  today I will work on updating number of blocks forged on the status page, and also making a view of individual accounts and their blocks/earnings.

but after that?


A column with the remaining leasing time for the leasing accounts?
A list of upcoming leasing accounts with effective balance and the estimated time for them to become effective?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 09, 2014, 02:58:03 pm
The status page appears to be down.  I might have attempted to access it during a server restart, but just an FYI.  I wanted to see if my Nxt contribution had shown up yet.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 03:10:53 pm
yeah im locking down the web directory.  will be up later.  the system is still running behind the scenes
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 04:20:31 pm
ok all set, I took this opportunity to get the new DNS name working:

http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/earnings.php
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Mistafreeze on May 09, 2014, 04:23:03 pm
Sweet, both work fine for me
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 05:33:10 pm
WOW big jump in pool forging power today!!!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 09, 2014, 06:57:04 pm
Quote
Current active pooled forging power and time to forge
as of block 9828156251043039412 is 466188600000000 NXT, and 2101 seconds.
Pool has forged 9 blocks for a total of 900000000.
I want to believe.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 07:23:16 pm
you better believe it.   well, lower the number of blocks forged.  but up the total amount gained.  or just refresh the page.

Im requesting that big whale 4747512364439223888 send us a lease ASAP, for just a few days, so when AE is launched the pool will be ROLLING.  Hes got a thread opened here somewhere.

He needs to send it very soon because of the 1440 block waiting period, that will take 2 days, and we could just make it in time
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Nxter on May 09, 2014, 07:23:36 pm
Quote
Current active pooled forging power and time to forge
as of block 9828156251043039412 is 466188600000000 NXT, and 2101 seconds.
Pool has forged 9 blocks for a total of 900000000.
I want to believe.

You are billionaires!!
Sh*t!!    my NXT are still not effective...     ;D

you better believe it. 

Im requesting that big whale 4747512364439223888 send us a lease ASAP, for just a few days, so when AE is launched the pool will be ROLLING.  Hes got a thread opened here somewhere.

He needs to send it very soon because of the 1440 block waiting period, that will take 2 days, and we could just make it in time

+1
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 09, 2014, 07:25:29 pm
I want to join the pool. How to do this with client of welseyh?

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Nxter on May 09, 2014, 07:28:54 pm
I want to join the pool. How to do this with client of welseyh?



Quote
The easy way to do it (it works on the test net, so I guess it will work on the main net too):
1. launch your client
2. open http://localhost:7876 (or https://localhost:7876 or whatever)
3. click "more info" on the square showing your account balance
4. click the "Account Leasing" tab
5. click "lease your balance to another account"
6. insert the account you wish to lease your balance to. Set for how long under "period" (it is expressed in blocks, so 1440 blocks = 24h) and finally set your secret phrase.
7. click the "lease balance" button.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: mthcl on May 09, 2014, 08:16:20 pm
Just joined this pool!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 08:23:47 pm
ok all displayed values on the php webpages are in NXT, and as floats.  which is fine since the DB itself sees all NXT or NQT as unsigned big integers, and processes them on the ratio which is defined as decimal (10,9) so there will never be any floating point issues.  the payment is handled on the backend script which will call from DB in NQT so using this mechanism will remove all math issues.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 09, 2014, 08:25:26 pm
1460178482 has 14 NXT.

Is this correct? We should lease it to this account?  ???
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 08:33:29 pm
when you lease your forging power to me I dont actually get all your NXT.  my actual spending balance, and yours,  stays the same.

have you not looked at the web page and seen the pools forging power???
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 09, 2014, 08:36:56 pm
when you lease your forging power to me I dont actually get all your NXT.  my actual spending balance stays the same.

have you not looked at the web page and seen the pools forging power???

Ok.

I leased my account to 1460178482. Let's see what happens  :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 08:55:43 pm
holy crap guys!!!!1 I was waiting and watching the timer, i figured we may get that big fat block and sure enough we did!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 09:05:20 pm
new page:  http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/forgedblocks.php  next will be a page of leasors and earnings
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: wirraltrader on May 09, 2014, 09:37:17 pm
I've just gone in with my massive 14,167nxt.

I am a complete technonoob, so please explain details as if it were to a dim child...how do we see what happens with our leased forging power?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: farl4bit on May 09, 2014, 09:39:29 pm
Isn't this pool getting too big? Is Leased Forging not a thread to Nxt? I guess it is when I think about it, but nobody tells my either of want kind of security is build in... :-\
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 09:48:49 pm
there are plenty of whales way bigger than this pool
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: farl4bit on May 09, 2014, 09:53:37 pm
Ok. Thought CfB said only 30% of all stake is forging. So there is no danger?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 09, 2014, 09:57:24 pm
id leave that up to him to determine.

in other news, Ive put sql query constraints in on the DB to something I believe reasonable usage for our pool's users.  please let me know if you start having problems accessing data.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MCoin on May 10, 2014, 10:14:48 am
Hi. I'm relatively new to NXT and wanted to lease my forging to your pool. Joined the forum because I'm having trouble...

I'm using the "Wesley's Client", NRS 1.0.0 from http://www.nxtcommunity.org/nxt-cryptocurrency/get-started-nxt Blockchain has downloaded fine I think.

I go to http://localhost:7876/test?requestType=leaseBalance and enter details as described in the OP.

but response is:
{ "errorCode": 8, "errorDescription": "recipient account does not have public key" }

Any suggestions and why am I seeing this?

Thanks :))
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Berzerk on May 10, 2014, 10:37:45 am
MCoin, first update to the newest 1.0.1.

Then go to Dashboard and on the top there is a blue box with your account balance. Click on "More info ->" and choose the 2. tab "Account Leasing".
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: starik69 on May 10, 2014, 11:30:19 am
Why not ask some exchanges to lease their wallets to a pool?  ???
They can still fully operate with NXT and additionally earn!  8)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Berzerk on May 10, 2014, 11:34:51 am
Why not ask some exchanges to lease their wallets to a pool?  ???
They can still fully operate with NXT and additionally earn!  8)

They should make an asset with the forging revenues and distribute them to every asset holder. Or donate them to developments.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Conurtrol on May 10, 2014, 01:33:34 pm
It takes 1440 blocks for your lease to become active so anyone who wants to do this should do it right now if they want their lease to be active when the asset exchange goes live at block 135,000. We are at block 133,541 right now.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 10, 2014, 02:03:29 pm
whats next: an update on the status page of when a lease will expire.  also will put in the latest blockID.  and will also start working on 2 more views, one for an account with its associated blocks, and one for a block with is associated accounts.

does anyone want to design a cool icon for the website for me to load for people to display in the browser bar?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: wirraltrader on May 10, 2014, 04:32:41 pm
whats next: an update on the status page of when a lease will expire.  also will put in the latest blockID.  and will also start working on 2 more views, one for an account with its associated blocks, and one for a block with is associated accounts.

does anyone want to design a cool icon for the website for me to load for people to display in the browser bar?

I could...

Give me some ideas
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 10, 2014, 04:50:22 pm
Your discretion.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: wirraltrader on May 10, 2014, 05:03:10 pm
Your discretion.

check your pm, please
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: yassin54 on May 10, 2014, 07:13:00 pm
Pool 2    :D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: apenzl on May 10, 2014, 09:47:44 pm
FYI

Feel free to share  ;)

http://nxter.org/its-forging-time-nxters/
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: apenzl on May 10, 2014, 09:51:06 pm
does anyone want to design a cool icon for the website for me to load for people to display in the browser bar?

Check this.
http://nxter.org/what-style-is-nxt/

Link to the Nxt Styleguide: http://www.nxtcommunity.org/styleguide.pdf
On the last page of the guide, there's a link to a mediafiles.zip that contain free to use design snippets.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 10, 2014, 10:57:27 pm
someone is gonna have to walk me through installing all that stuff.  In developing this pool, Ive managed to stumble my way through Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP and Perl using the internet as reference and have managed to piece something that works pretty well together so far, but Im just going to need some help with importing all that stuff.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: apenzl on May 10, 2014, 11:20:11 pm
OK. You did well  8)

Ideenfrishe may be able to help but they are hung up on getting Nxt.org ready for AE launch ATM, and NxtWallet after that + other stuff to expand the styleguide.

wirraltrader?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 11, 2014, 10:28:41 am
However, it seems to me it'd be better if leases ran until cancelled. Then that 1 NXT cost would be ameliorated over a much longer time period. [...] Was it considered when the leasing feature was designed, and if so, what was the reason it was rejected?
According to https://nxtforum.org/general/leasing-permalease/msg12582/#msg12582, it's for fear that a cabal of forging pools could gain a monopoly on forging and then reject any transactions that would take that power away from them.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 11, 2014, 10:42:00 am
I will not charge ANY fees for this leased pool forging service.
Cool. Do you think that will be sustainable in the long run, and will it be the norm for other pools?

Obviously it's hard for other pools to win leases if they charge more than you. How could they justify such charges? However, it seems to me that if someone has enough NXT to justify forging 24/7, then the incremental cost of running a pool is probably quite low. They need a site with some software like you have done. You've said you don't currently intend to make your code open source, which is fine, but I think if you don't someone else will write and publish their own version. I'll be surprised if in a year or two there is no freely available code for running a pool that anyone can use. There probably isn't much benefit from running a forging pool, but it does help keep the currency secure and the other pools honest, so if it becomes cheap and easy to do, any whale with a large enough stake will probably want to do it, and the charges will tend towards zero. So we could end up with lots of free pools. Or maybe the whales will just lease like everyone else and we'll end up with one huge forging pool.

What do you think? Am I underestimating the running costs? Are we more likely to get a healthy ecosystem of competing pools if pools charge?

I appreciate it's more work for you being first. I'm interested in general community trends; I'm not asking you to make any kind of commitment or reveal plans or anything.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 11, 2014, 05:54:21 pm
you bring up a lot of questions, some seem to contradict themselves.  you say if i dont release, then someone will, but then that later their wont be any freely available pools in the future.

and the other ones about whales, well who knows, really.  I would rather not speculate, and improve my little application.

Its free because Im doing this for fun.  Ive never written any software in my life, much less anything integrated with a database and PHP webserver software.

As you are probably aware, the servers are being subsidized by donors and the infra committee as part of my nxtcrypto.org initiative.  so I expect they will be renewed later.  if the techdev comitte accepts my application for some funds i may release my code, database structure, and php files.  but so far my request seems to have been completely ignored

but basically im doing this as a hobby, and a personal challenge to myself to dev something for nxt
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 11, 2014, 06:58:43 pm

...
Its free because Im doing this for fun.  Ive never written any software in my life, much less anything integrated with a database and PHP webserver software.

...

basically im doing this as a hobby, and a personal challenge to myself to dev something for nxt


FYI, this is partially why I love Nxt.  I am a pro developer and although I did work on the client code for Worldcoin, I alway felt that the barrier-to-entry for most crypto development was quite high.  In some ways, it should be since you are often dealing with other peoples money, but on the most basic level, I think it should be accessible.

If you are new to coding, any you are rolling a forging pool, then Kudos to your initiative AND to Nxt for making it accessible to new developers.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Berry on May 11, 2014, 07:10:28 pm
Hi,

I leased my coins to the forging pool.
I used welsley´s client V1.0.2

Do I have to something else?
Tell someone myaccount or something?

And how can I look up if the leasing is still alive, or how much my part of the forging is by a given date?

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 11, 2014, 07:16:11 pm
Hey Berry, after 1440 Confirmations you should see your account listed here:

http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

Thats it so far. :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 11, 2014, 08:07:27 pm
ForkedChain, love to see your "motivations"  :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 11, 2014, 08:07:39 pm
I see that someone joined with 2 million NXT. This is not cool.

Now the small fish cannot earn a reasonable forging reward because he has the most power in the pool. What makes this pool so special then? Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 11, 2014, 08:09:47 pm
In the longterm IMO it does not make sense to use leased forging pools. You have the same propability to receive blocks as before.

Just with a whale into this pool, the propability to hit some of the 1k blocks with the Asset Exchange fees rise and everybody gets a share of this.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: himmelsfaller2 on May 11, 2014, 08:15:20 pm
I leased my coins for a 10 day forging test (waiting to reach 1440 blocks).
Have I to wait again 1440 blocks to forge in case I decide to forge again after the 10 days?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 11, 2014, 08:26:25 pm
not sure, but I think as soon as your lease transaction is written to a block, that you lose ability to forge for 1440 blocks.  and during that time the pool also cannot forge with your balance.  then after 1440 blocks pass after your lease is written, then the pool can forge with your balance for the lease duration

Edit.  I stand correctedon the forgingvthing.  You dont lose ability to forge duringinitial 1440 waiting period
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pazor on May 11, 2014, 10:28:37 pm
hi,

is it worth to join with my 352 nxt coins to the forging pool ?

1coin to lease the amount
2coin for withdraw

and max. 40days per 0.0001 = 0.004 earnings ?

do i missed something ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Sebastien256 on May 11, 2014, 11:02:39 pm
not sure, but I think as soon as your lease transaction is written to a block, that you lose ability to forge for 1440 blocks.  and during that time the pool also cannot forge with your balance.  then after 1440 blocks pass after your lease is written, then the pool can forge with your balance for the lease duration

Arcording to the wesleyh GUI wallet 1.1.0, I can succesfully forge during the 1440 while in the state "Leased Soon". Altough I have not forge a block at the moment, I would say that there is a bug in the GUI if the GUI say with a green light that I am forging when in fact I can not during that 1440 blocks waiting time. Please wesleyh, if you are reading this, update the GUI if this is the case. TY

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 11, 2014, 11:22:22 pm
There is no bug, you don't lose the ability to forge until the start of the lease.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 11, 2014, 11:27:10 pm
Thanks for the correction captain. can you confirm if any of the items returned by getAccount are exact same as guaranteedBalance when using numberOfBlocks=1440
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 11, 2014, 11:46:19 pm
effectiveBalance:
when not leasing is equal to guaranteedBalance(1440) plus any balance leased to you
when leasing, just the balance leased to you, if any
Code: [Select]
        if (lastBlock.getHeight() < currentLeasingHeightFrom) {
                return (getGuaranteedBalanceNQT(1440) + getExtraEffectiveBalanceNQT()) / Constants.ONE_NXT;
        }

        return getExtraEffectiveBalanceNQT() / Constants.ONE_NXT;


that extra effective balance is the sum of guaranteedBalance(1440) for all accounts that are leasing to you:
Code: [Select]
    private long getExtraEffectiveBalanceNQT() {
        long extraEffectiveBalanceNQT = 0;
        for (Long accountId : leaserIds) {
            extraEffectiveBalanceNQT += Account.getAccount(accountId).getGuaranteedBalanceNQT(1440);
        }
        return extraEffectiveBalanceNQT;
    }
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 12, 2014, 12:24:04 am
i was thinking of it from the perspective of using getAccount to determine someones contribution to the pool, where the value returned would not include anything some other party leased to them.

As it sits now I am using getGuaranteedBalance with 1440 to determine lessors; contribution.  Now Id like to add functionality to present when leases expire, and you have provided this to us in getAccount.

Id simply just like, if possible, to grab all this info from 1 API call, if possible, instead of using getGuaranteedBalance and then getAccount.

But if theres just no way to do it, which it looks like not, I guess Ill have to do 2 API calls per lessor
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: gvans on May 12, 2014, 07:46:22 am
I see that someone joined with 2 million NXT. This is not cool.

Now the small fish cannot earn a reasonable forging reward because he has the most power in the pool. What makes this pool so special then? Or am I wrong?

It really does not make any difference in long term (say, one year or so) should you join this pool and should someone join the pool with 10k or 10M NXT or should you even forge only by yourself. The end resulty is the same IF you forge continuously with your NXT.

Here's a simple examle:
Let's say you have 100k NXT. And let's assume you have the propability of forging average 1 NXT a day with that 100k NXT. This would mean that when forging alone you would get some days only 0 NXT, some days maybe 3 NXT and one lucky day in a year maybe 40 NXT. That all would sum up to average 365 NXT per year in the end.

It's the very same end result when forging in a pool with that 100k NXT of yours. The only difference is that the payout is more constant when shared in a massive 10M NXT pool. So instead of receiving 0 to 40 NXT per day when forging alone you would now receive maybe 0.5 to 2 NXT per day from the pool. But the end result is the same when spread on a timespan of one year, the very same 365 NXT total.

The numbers are fictional but this is the idea. Naturally if there are peaks in transaction fees and you can predict them to happen in a defined timeframe (which is some scale is the case in AE launch for example) you may secure the chance of forging some of the bigger blocks by joining a pool and getting that share accordingly. On the other hand you may gamble and solo-forge. This way with a bit of a luck that one big block may be all yours. What I have done is I continue to solo-forge as I always did but in addition I leased one fourth of my NXT in a forging-pool to even out the chance to get at least a little portion of those bigger blocks. Well, it's going to be peanuts anyhow with my small amount of NXT but it's fun  :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jean-Luc on May 12, 2014, 09:02:16 am
Id simply just like, if possible, to grab all this info from 1 API call, if possible, instead of using getGuaranteedBalance and then getAccount.
I added guaranteedBalanceNQT (with 1440 confirmations) to the getAccount JSON, will be in the next release.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 12, 2014, 12:16:40 pm
you bring up a lot of questions, some seem to contradict themselves.  you say if i dont release, then someone will, but then that later their wont be any freely available pools in the future.
I wrote, "I'll be surprised if in a year or two there is no freely available code". That's saying I expect there will be available code, and hence pools. There's no contradiction. Later I say there could be lots of free pools.

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I would rather not speculate,
OK. Speculation was a large part of what I was after.

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As you are probably aware, the servers are being subsidized by donors and the infra committee as part of my nxtcrypto.org initiative.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Brangdon on May 12, 2014, 12:35:01 pm
I see that someone joined with 2 million NXT. This is not cool.

Now the small fish cannot earn a reasonable forging reward because he has the most power in the pool.
Yes, but by doing so they increased the total forging power of the pool, so it balances out. Before you had a large fraction of small revenue. Now you have a smaller fraction of larger revenue. You're no worse off for the whale joining.

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What makes this pool so special then?
The pool provides a way to forge without needing to be online. You save on running costs, bandwidth, electricity etc. That's likely to cost more than the few NXT it takes to use the pool.

hi,

is it worth to join with my 352 nxt coins to the forging pool ?

1coin to lease the amount
2coin for withdraw

and max. 40days per 0.0001 = 0.004 earnings ?

do i missed something ?
Probably not. There's definitely a level at which the fees make the pool uneconomical. I don't know where that level is; it partly depends on how many other people are forging, and on how many people are actually using Nxt for transactions and so paying fees. I would expect now we'll get more people forging in pools so those with just a few NXT will get even less revenue. However, as I wrote above, if you are going to forge it's surely more economical to do so with a pool than to forge solo. And hopefully the new asset exchange (with its 1000 NXT fees) will see an upswing in transactions so perhaps all forms of forging will become more worthwhile.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: gvans on May 12, 2014, 01:24:10 pm
Just to make sure I understand this: The mathematics of this is "linear" right? I.e. if there was simultaneously one 50M NXT account forging and 50 million 1 NXT accounts forging (total of 50 000 001 accounts forging) the 50M account would get average every second block and some of the 1 NXT accounts would forge also every second block in average, right?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 12, 2014, 01:49:42 pm
wow!  2 blocks with asset fees!!!  plus we're really cranking them out this morning!!!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 12, 2014, 02:01:08 pm
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the information.

I run a network of 12 VPSs that run NRS to support the blockchain, that were all funded by neer.g and Pouncer (I think the other guy was pouncer).  These 12 are funded for about 3 more months.  Plus another 10 funded by individual members of the community where they pay for a VPS and give me the credentials, and I manage it for them.

the first 12 only I have credentials for, and those 12 are ones that I run the pool on.  I  expect the infrastructure community will continue to fund the first 12 and if so I will continue to run the pool for free.

I may be willing to release all code and DB structure if the tech dev committee will give me some bounty for the pool design, but so far they seem to have completely ignored my request
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 12, 2014, 03:11:47 pm
It is either on a fork or the the data is wrong. The pool did not forge 141 blocks for a total of 8600 in fees. It should be fixed since it is very misleading.
You should also update to client 1.1.0.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: jl777 on May 12, 2014, 03:14:04 pm
It is either on a fork or the the data is wrong. The pool did not forge 141 blocks for a total of 8600 in fees. It should be fixed since it is very misleading.
You should also update to client 1.1.0.
clearly on a fork, it is 20 blocks ahead of what I am seeing
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 12, 2014, 03:16:31 pm
Quoting myself:  ;)

I am almost 100% sure FrokedChain's pool is in a fork. I checked, double-checked the last generated blocks and none of them were generated by 1460178482. 


As long as the name of the pool owner is ForkedChain, I find this  delightfully ironic. ;D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 12, 2014, 04:13:13 pm
ugh.  what a mess its all fixed now.  I just updated it to 1.0.2 not even 48 hrs ago.  Not sure why that version caused a fork.  I apologize everyone.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: allbits on May 12, 2014, 04:45:17 pm
No worries.  Appreciate your work.  We're all in experimentation phase right now.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: gvans on May 12, 2014, 05:59:12 pm
No worries.  Appreciate your work.  We're all in experimentation phase right now.
+1  8)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: vytasz7 on May 12, 2014, 08:31:05 pm
just dont forget to update to nrs 1.1.2
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 12, 2014, 08:38:14 pm
just dont forget to update to nrs 1.1.2

1.1.2 seems stable.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MCoin on May 13, 2014, 01:08:32 am
Just wondering what happened to the 2 blocks with asset fees?
Can't see those in the "Forged Blocks" page anymore, so am curious...

Very interesting to watch this - mining without a computer even turned on feels infinitely superior to BTC :)

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 13, 2014, 01:21:11 am
There were more, like 8. Unfortunately the pool was on a fork, so that info was misleading.
No big deal though, the pool is getting blocks more consistently, it is just a matter if time until it gets a real one.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MCoin on May 13, 2014, 01:24:53 am
There were more, like 8. Unfortunately the pool was on a fork, so that info was misleading.
No big deal though, the pool is getting blocks more consistently, it is just a matter if time until it gets a real one.

Ahh, cool. I was a bit confused how come there'd be asset fees on a forked chain. But I guess it could happen if the fork happened somewhere between the initial asset transaction and the +1440 block. Thanks!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Top8 on May 13, 2014, 10:57:48 am
Hey all, almost newcomer here:
1- Is this leasing pool still working? i got lost between forks, chains, blocks and oh my.
2- My few and poor NXT are secured no matter where do i lease them? they cant be spent either by pool op or me on those lets say, 25000 blocks?
3- Is it worth to lease like, lets say, 1000 NXT? will that produce like 1NXT per day roughly? half of that? double ?

Thanks, and sorry .-)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 13, 2014, 11:02:38 am
Hey all, almost newcomer here:
1- Is this leasing pool still working? i got lost between forks, chains, blocks and oh my.
2- My few and poor NXT are secured no matter where do i lease them? they cant be spent either by pool op or me on those lets say, 25000 blocks?
3- Is it worth to lease like, lets say, 1000 NXT? will that produce like 1NXT per day roughly? half of that? double ?

Thanks, and sorry .-)

Hey Top8,
1- Yes, it is still working
2- Your NXT are secured. The pool has no control over your NXT. You just lease them your effective forging power.
3- You forging power will not rise with joining such a pool. You still have 1k/1Billion NXT. But the percentage of forging a block is higher in a pool and you get your share in any way.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Top8 on May 13, 2014, 01:31:52 pm
Thanks!
Any comprehensive list where i can find the different pools? No theoretical difference between one and another but on eventual fees right? Thx again
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: starik69 on May 13, 2014, 02:19:34 pm
or me on those lets say, 25000 blocks?
You can spend leased NXT how you want, they are not locked. 8)
3- Is it worth to lease like, lets say, 1000 NXT? will that produce like 1NXT per day roughly? half of that? double ?
You can look at http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/leasorbalances.php and http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/accounting.php and estimate NXT earnings according to leaser balance ::)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pazor on May 13, 2014, 06:30:44 pm
now my questions about  pool forging

- what happend to the leased forging power after the leasing period is over ?
- if i decide to extend the leasing period again, should i lease my balance to the pool, paying 1 nxt fee again ?
- make it sense to lower the fee for leasing ?

thank you for answers
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Top8 on May 13, 2014, 06:33:24 pm
now my questions about  pool forging

- what happend to the leased forging power after the leasing period is over ?
- if i decide to extend the leasing period again, should i lease my balance to the pool, paying 1 nxt fee again ?
- make it sense to lower the fee for leasing ?

thank you for answers
+1 to first two questions.
I feel that must be a sticky CAPS thread with a FAQ on leased forging with lists of operators, common questions, and stuff. Made by the operators, as they clearly know better than 95% of us about this promising feature.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: rlh on May 13, 2014, 07:20:49 pm
now my questions about  pool forging

- what happend to the leased forging power after the leasing period is over ?
- if i decide to extend the leasing period again, should i lease my balance to the pool, paying 1 nxt fee again ?
- make it sense to lower the fee for leasing ?

thank you for answers
+1 to first two questions.
I feel that must be a sticky CAPS thread with a FAQ on leased forging with lists of operators, common questions, and stuff. Made by the operators, as they clearly know better than 95% of us about this promising feature.

Q1:  Your leasing period ends and you are free to re-lease your balance to another pool, the same pool or do nothing with your balance.  To be clear, when you lease your balance, all you are doing is relinquishing your right to forge, by giving another account the right to forge by combining it's forging balance + the summation of all other accounts that have leased to that account.  You can spend and receive Nxt as much as you want while you are forging-- you are simply allowing someone else to forge on your behalf.

It is also worth pointing out that just because you have leased your forging, you are not necessarily accumulating any "shares" in the blocks that are mined by the account that you have leased your Nxt to.  Forked Chain has created a pool where he monitors leasors (or is it leasees) and he has developed a system that tracks the balances of each lease account.

If you lease to Forked Chains account, you are trusting he will pay the Nxt that your account has earned.  He's been around a while, I so I trust him.  My 600k Nxt had made me all of 36 Nxt in a matter of 5 (mostly consistent) months.  In under a week, I've made 18 Nxt!

Q2:  At the moment, the fee to do anything in NXT is a minimal charge of 1Nxt.  If you want to send Nxt to someone, there is a 1 Nxt fee.  If you want to buy an alias, it cost 1 Nxt.  If you want to buy, or sell Assets on the AE, the fee is 1 Nxt (although issuing an Asset is 1,000 Nxt.)

Likewise, if you want to lease your balance, the leasing transaction will cost 1 Nxt.

Q3.  There is a looooooooong running discussion on changing the fee structure of Nxt.  Many have complained about the 1 Nxt fee and I think the primary problem is that the community hasn't decided what is the best way to calculate fees.  Ultimately 1 Nxt isn't that much... today.  However, if Nxt continues to rise in value, that will certainly be a steep price.  I'm not the person most qualified to discuss the tentative roadmap for the update of the fee system, but I think the plan is to reduce the value of fees after some point in the future.  Possibly after the integration of Transparent Forging.

(CAUTION: Rabbit Trail...)  The good news is that we should be getting closer to that happy day where the fee structure will be updated.  With block 130,000 we can now send and receive fractional amount of Nxt.  That was a necessary step before fees could potentially be reduced.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 14, 2014, 07:33:58 am
Are we sure that the pool account is not again on a fork?? I don't see it generating blocks for a time now, and, when I check the stats here:
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

They are "suspiciously" good in the last hours...


Edit: Yep! I am almost sure...It is generating consecutive blocks that don't exist in the main chain. Check this:
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/forgedblocks.php
from the block "14241726384097218860"  number "136416" with a fee of 2003nxt, they are all consecutive.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Top8 on May 14, 2014, 08:58:22 am
Are we sure that the pool account is not again on a fork?? I don't see it generating blocks for a time now, and, when I check the stats here:
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

They are "suspiciously" good in the last hours...


Edit: Yep! I am almost sure...It is generating consecutive blocks that don't exist in the main chain. Check this:
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/forgedblocks.php
from the block "14241726384097218860"  number "136416" with a fee of 2003nxt, they are all consecutive.

Aw, this is the kind of things that scares us nebws... On Altcoins "Fork" means something between Final Judgement and Zero Lives Super Mario Bros Game Over....
I will keep monitoring closely this thread, i wasn't aware of how beta all this stuff is...
 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 14, 2014, 09:12:20 am
There is nothing to worry about, your NXT are safe even if he is on a fork (which is the case). When the period expires, you get it back automatically. Regarless if the pool is online, on a fork or whatever. As for the funds themselves, you can always spend/move them if you wish, having your forging power on a pool does not prevent you from doing that. The only downside from your perspective is that your forging power is not "being used", so as long as he is on a fork you are not collecting fees.

It kinda bugs me though how often the pool drifts off, definitely worth looking into it.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 14, 2014, 10:06:51 am
The thing that bothers me is that this "pool" is falling on forks very easily without any evident reason.

I suppose that running a updated client on a decent PC must be enough...
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 14, 2014, 10:10:15 am
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/earnings.php

Doesn't work.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 14, 2014, 10:14:13 am
A friend of mine tried leasing his account with client of Wesleyh.

But he gets this error; he tried to lower the amount of confirmations etc. without success.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/14/e5y2esed.jpg)

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: jl777 on May 14, 2014, 10:19:12 am
A friend of mine tried leasing his account with client of Wesleyh.

But he gets this error; he tried to lower the amount of confirmations etc. without success.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/14/e5y2esed.jpg)
maxdeadline is 24 hours
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 14, 2014, 10:21:19 am
A friend of mine tried leasing his account with client of Wesleyh.

But he gets this error; he tried to lower the amount of confirmations etc. without success.

maxdeadline is 24 hours

Aha ok  ;D

I will tell him. Thanks!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MCoin on May 14, 2014, 10:46:44 am
The only cost required is whenever you build up a balance and want a payout, to merely send an AM (your cost is 1 NXT) to the forging account,

Sorry for the completely noob question, but just looking at the payout procedure. What is an AM? (Doesn't seem to be in the NXT Glossary (http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Glossary) ;))

I assume it means to send a message to the forging account? - and include a 1 nxt fee? Please correct me.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 14, 2014, 11:13:22 am
ok its back on chain.  ill clean out bad blocks in a few hours got to go now

im at a loss as to why this happens...  its run on latest client 1.1.2 on a digital ocean VPS.

i wonder if someone is attacking by feeding back blocks or something? 

maybe  later today i put up a firewall to only allow my own VPSs to feed the forging machine?

any other idea?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 14, 2014, 11:29:00 am
ok its back on chain.  ill clean out bad blocks in a few hours got to go now

im at a loss as to why this happens...  its run on latest client 1.1.2 on a digital ocean VPS.

i wonder if someone is attacking by feeding back blocks or something? 

maybe  later today i put up a firewall to only allow my own VPSs to feed the forging machine?

any other idea?

Some people (included me) had problems with the last "downloadeable" Wesleyh client. Check this:
https://nxtforum.org/alternative-clients/(windows-mac-linux)-nxtwallet/msg20761/#msg20761

Are you running the pool with this or with the web version?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 14, 2014, 01:14:49 pm
since the pool software ise xclusively API driven, I just use the NRS core, no web pages to go to at all, just API calls.
On that main status page, the version displayed is not updated manually by me, it is pulled via API 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 14, 2014, 08:32:45 pm
ok so everyone's probably noticed that Ive cleaned out the bad blocks.  next ill do a comparison to see if there are blocks missing from the database that we forged.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: apenzl on May 16, 2014, 10:54:24 pm
https://twitter.com/Nxter_org/status/467434911948099584
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 17, 2014, 08:40:15 am
Pool down? Or is it me?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Coradan on May 17, 2014, 11:44:25 am
How you can withdraw your earnings on this pool?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 17, 2014, 12:03:09 pm
Send a message from your account to the pool's account. The content does not matter. I do not know if forkedchain made the process automatic or not, if not you will receive them later on.
I think you need to have more than 1 NXT in the pool though, for the transaction's fee.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: vytasz7 on May 17, 2014, 02:48:03 pm
Is it possible to see how much is forged already?and how much belongs to leased acc?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: nCtrl on May 17, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/leasorbalances.php (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/leasorbalances.php)
The numbers on the site are off though, so your earnings may change once it gets fixed. But that is where you can see your balance.
As far as I know, the pool does not keep anything. If your question is how much the pool forged then the answer is roughly 1250 NXT.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 17, 2014, 03:30:28 pm
i am about to clear out these bad blocks.  im also about to implement the confirmed portion of the /accounting tracking system, which will allow for payouts.  right now its 95% complete and should be done in a few days.  it actually does all the accounting right now, and already detects AM withdrawal requests. the only parts lacking are the part where it determines the amount to send, sends it, records the transactionID as its waiting to be written to a block, and marks those earnings as sent, and then the part where it detects its own payment in a block after 1440 confirmations and marks that.

As of yesterday, there has only been 1 AM payment request, and I havent paid it yet but it will be automatically paid out when this new confirmed accounting/tracking system kicks in.

In the near future, Ill probably migrate away from this current method of what you all see on the website now as well, with a newer system that works in conjunction with the confirmed tracking system that Im about to implement.  This will automatically solve for any bogus blocks.

what we are all seeing right now is an artifact of the current method of tracking/accounting where it is attempted to be done in real-time.  So any bad block stays in the system until manually cleared out.  this is why the balances pages says "unconfirmed".  The "confirmed" system Im about to implement will  only process blocks have 1440 confirmations, so when you send an AM as a withdrawal request, your sum of earnings that have 1440 confirmations will be sent.

I will base the new "unconfirmed" accounting/tracking system on the "confirmed" one, while the confirmed portion processed the new blocks that have 1440 confirmations, the new "unconfirmed" one will process only the most recent 1440 blocks.  so this way it is automatically up to date every time its ran.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 17, 2014, 04:37:50 pm
status page is broke right now, all others are reporting correctly  the pool IS forging though.  will fix it later
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: DLXS on May 18, 2014, 01:56:45 am
Great, using it! 4 NXT forged. I believe more people need to lease it :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 18, 2014, 06:50:12 am
ok, so just completed lots of major changes:  both the confirmed and unconfirmed accounting/tracking are running (still cannot handle AM/payments just yet though)

The real-time tracking is gone.  So all processing is done in batch, by tracking the last block processed and then processing all blocks up to 1440 prior to latest block for the confirmed group, and then processing the rest into the unconfirmed group.

This batch process runs every 5 minutes.  so you can expect to see more latency in the reporting than you have been.  but the forging timer and active leases info on the status page is updated every 5 seconds.

so its possible that you can try to fetch either of these pages while the DB is updating; if this happens you will get strange data, just wait a few secs and refresh.  I will work on atomic/commits later to fix this.

the good news for this now is that forks are automatically fixed in the DB and thus in the reporting web pages whenever the fork is fixed in NRS.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Brangdon on May 18, 2014, 01:14:20 pm
If my lease expires, what happens to any payouts I've not yet claimed? Do you remember them indefinitely?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 18, 2014, 02:17:27 pm
Yes its all stored in db
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: MCoin on May 18, 2014, 11:48:59 pm
Could you please consider put some info about payout on the HowTo page? http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/howto.html Thank you
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Jacinto on May 19, 2014, 06:58:50 am
Our first 1000NXT fee block forged?

Yay!!! I am excited!  :D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 20, 2014, 01:34:35 am
you asked for it, I finally delivered:

http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/inboundleases.php

Ill start working on payments next
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pazor on May 20, 2014, 06:26:33 am
i have a question...

what part of the nxt client is forging ?

the java client running on the web broswer on the desktop,

or

the java server running of the server (in my case on my raspberry pi), that keeps the blockchain

?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: abctc on May 20, 2014, 10:50:26 am
what part of the nxt client is forging ?
- the server. But only after you open your account with any client.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pazor on May 20, 2014, 01:33:52 pm
what part of the nxt client is forging ?
- the server. But only after you open your account with any client.

so the next question is, should the client (webbrowser) keep opened during the forging or it is enough to open the account in the browser, start the forging and logout ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 20, 2014, 02:11:31 pm
if you lease your balance, then you cannot forge until the lease expires.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: pazor on May 20, 2014, 02:14:20 pm
if you lease your balance, then you cannot forge until the lease expires.

of course not,

my question is related to the java client in the browser on a desktop client.
should this client keeped open during the forging or not ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 20, 2014, 02:15:01 pm
if you have leased out your nxt: nothing has to be running.

if you have your nxt not leased out: the java client is enough. log in and you can close the browser client
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: farl4bit on May 20, 2014, 02:28:10 pm
if you have your nxt not leased out: the java client is enough. log in and you can close the browser client
But when I use the Nxt Wallet (Wesley Client) can I close it too?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Tosch110 on May 20, 2014, 02:32:01 pm
afaik you do not have to leave it open.
You need to access, then you can just close it or logg out without stop forging
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: ebby on May 20, 2014, 05:30:26 pm
@forkedchain:
could you please give me an information here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0) if you like to distribute NSC to your Lessors?

If yes, this pool wont have a cap like single accounts have.

Greets,
eb
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 20, 2014, 08:39:09 pm
ebby, I replied in your thread.

everyone else, Im in the middle of changing things around..  ill fix the numbers and missing blocks
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 21, 2014, 09:35:10 pm
about to temporarily take the HTTP part down a bit to load up the AM payment stuff.  all tested in my private testnxt chain, and works so cross your fingers. 

there have already been a few AMs come in, the system should automatically process payment if this works.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: forkedchain on May 21, 2014, 09:57:59 pm
well its back up.  no payouts though, i did some investigating and it appears that none of the AMs that were sent to me were eligible for payment at the time the AM was sent.

anyone want to check their CONFIRMED balance (scroll down on the blalance page) , then send the pool an AM if their balance is > 1 ? (to cover the fee)

I will send 10 NXT from my personal acct to  the first person to post here that they have verified their confirmed balance and who sends an AM for payment.

after the AM has 1440 confirmations, the payment goes out automatically
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool, NO POOL FEE! only fees are 2 NXT to withdraw
Post by: Nxter on May 21, 2014, 10:24:18 pm

I will send 10 NXT from my personal acct to  the first person to post here that they have verified their confirmed balance and who sends an AM for payment.

after the AM has 1440 confirmations, the payment goes out automatically

Me!!!  :)
I have a confirmed balance of 9.18NXT  AM sent
acc: NxterNxtforum
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 22, 2014, 12:36:38 am
cool thanks lets see how it works in a few days.  it works in my lab so I dont see why not

well i sent your nxt, transaction 1 5698822062962606547 but it doesnt seem to be present anywhere.  i used 24 hr deadline so remind me tomorrow if you have to
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: k_day on May 22, 2014, 01:17:15 am
Has anyone studied the economics here any closer yet? With the current pool size, what is the cutoff for number of NXT you would need to contribute to have a reasonable chance of earning > the 3NXT you will spend in fees (1 to lease, 1 for AM to initiate transfer, 1 for fee), assuming you are using the maximum allowed lease time? Looking at the pool stats now and it appears only a very small fraction of people will ever have a chance at recouping their fees.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 22, 2014, 01:32:48 am
well all it looks like the autopayouts are working after all.  I ran the old program earlier and thats why they didnt show.

but just readid the DB andran the new script and it sent 2 payments out.  the people who got paid got their earnings as of the block the AM was sent, so they still have positive balances.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 22, 2014, 02:24:31 am
woops, I ran it multiple times and forgot to enable the block for last payment (to if reran it wont resend payments) and it resent 1852512149068724265 4 extra payments, so im out 100NXT, hopefully he will see this and send it back
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on May 22, 2014, 03:30:07 am
Has anyone studied the economics here any closer yet? With the current pool size, what is the cutoff for number of NXT you would need to contribute to have a reasonable chance of earning > the 3NXT you will spend in fees (1 to lease, 1 for AM to initiate transfer, 1 for fee), assuming you are using the maximum allowed lease time? Looking at the pool stats now and it appears only a very small fraction of people will ever have a chance at recouping their fees.

One can only speculate.  Who knows how many transactions fees are available to be forged?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: k_day on May 22, 2014, 04:57:43 am
Well, I think you can do more than speculate. I just haven't taken the time to do the math yet and was wondering if someone has. Assume you have to generate > 3 NXT to make this worth your while. With the maximum lease time, with the current expected forging of this pool, with the current average tx per block, there is some number of NXT that you would need to have and contribute in order to have a chance of coming out ahead.

The math obviously changes as the forging power of the pool changes, Nxt fees eventually adjust, block fees change, etc, but you can certainly make a good guess as to what to expect currently. As it currently stands, it appears that a large majority of people leasing their NXT will not come out ahead.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on May 22, 2014, 05:14:23 am
Well, I think you can do more than speculate. I just haven't taken the time to do the math yet and was wondering if someone has. Assume you have to generate > 3 NXT to make this worth your while. With the maximum lease time, with the current expected forging of this pool, with the current average tx per block, there is some number of NXT that you would need to have and contribute in order to have a chance of coming out ahead.

The math obviously changes as the forging power of the pool changes, Nxt fees eventually adjust, block fees change, etc, but you can certainly make a good guess as to what to expect currently. As it currently stands, it appears that a large majority of people leasing their NXT will not come out ahead.

You can make a guess.  But that's all it is.  There is no way to pin this down mathematically.  AE is brand new.  You have no idea how many assets will be listed or how much trading will occur.  Nobody has any idea.  So your "math" is just a guess.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: k_day on May 22, 2014, 06:27:57 am
I think you must be misunderstanding me. I am clearly not saying you can pin this down exactly. That would be an absurd thing to say. I am saying you can analyze existing statistics to make an educated guess at what a break even number is, and make decisions based on that, and how you think the conditions may change.

This isn't a new concept in crypto. Difficulty for PoW coins is a mathematical best guess based on current hashrates to best approximate a target block time. This isn't exact, and yet, this we still deem difficulty to be an important metric to look at. Profitability calculators will calculate your estimated break even time. This too is inexact, but very useful in trying to plan hardware purchases for mining.

Similarly, it is clearly useful to do some analysis of forging pools, if your purpose is to lease your balance with the hopes of earning more NXT than if you hadn't. So yes, you run the numbers to produce a number which assumes nothing in the Nxt ecosystem changes. That is your benchmark with which you then project your opinions about how things will change. "Sure, the numbers say I am projected to earn less than the break even point of 3 NXT based on this pool's forging history, but I am predicting tons of new assets being added and lots of 1000 fee blocks, so I am going to do it anyway."

As it stands, much of the tone I have noticed after the release of pooled forging has been "Don't just let your NXT sit there, put them to work for you in a forging pool!", with the assumption that doing so is better than not. This assumption is not necessarily correct (clearly, as the vast majority of the people in this pool are in the red).

All I am saying is that an analysis of the current state of these forging pools is a very useful piece of data to have when deciding if it is worth it or not for you to lease your balance. It is not the only piece. It is not exact. Of course not. It is supplemented by your beliefs and predictions of what will happen next. But if you think using "math" to make calculated estimates to inform your decision regarding wether or not this makes sense isn't helpful here, then we probably just won't be on the same page.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: k_day on May 22, 2014, 06:33:10 am
An example of a calculation that would be pretty easy to come up with, and which hopefully you could see the utility of:

If my contribution to the pool is x%, and me lease time is y blocks, this pool would have to forge n fees in order for me to break even.

You would then make your decision based on what you predict x to be, and if you believe that it is likely for this pool to accrue n fees. This would be a fairly straight forward forging pool calculator to implement. Maybe if I have some free time this weekend...
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on May 22, 2014, 07:36:54 am
I think you must be misunderstanding me. I am clearly not saying you can pin this down exactly. That would be an absurd thing to say. I am saying you can analyze existing statistics to make an educated guess at what a break even number is, and make decisions based on that, and how you think the conditions may change.

This isn't a new concept in crypto. Difficulty for PoW coins is a mathematical best guess based on current hashrates to best approximate a target block time. This isn't exact, and yet, this we still deem difficulty to be an important metric to look at. Profitability calculators will calculate your estimated break even time. This too is inexact, but very useful in trying to plan hardware purchases for mining.

Similarly, it is clearly useful to do some analysis of forging pools, if your purpose is to lease your balance with the hopes of earning more NXT than if you hadn't. So yes, you run the numbers to produce a number which assumes nothing in the Nxt ecosystem changes. That is your benchmark with which you then project your opinions about how things will change. "Sure, the numbers say I am projected to earn less than the break even point of 3 NXT based on this pool's forging history, but I am predicting tons of new assets being added and lots of 1000 fee blocks, so I am going to do it anyway."

As it stands, much of the tone I have noticed after the release of pooled forging has been "Don't just let your NXT sit there, put them to work for you in a forging pool!", with the assumption that doing so is better than not. This assumption is not necessarily correct (clearly, as the vast majority of the people in this pool are in the red).

All I am saying is that an analysis of the current state of these forging pools is a very useful piece of data to have when deciding if it is worth it or not for you to lease your balance. It is not the only piece. It is not exact. Of course not. It is supplemented by your beliefs and predictions of what will happen next. But if you think using "math" to make calculated estimates to inform your decision regarding wether or not this makes sense isn't helpful here, then we probably just won't be on the same page.

+1

Well said.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on May 22, 2014, 07:38:34 am
woops, I ran it multiple times and forgot to enable the block for last payment (to if reran it wont resend payments) and it resent 1852512149068724265 4 extra payments, so im out 100NXT, hopefully he will see this and send it back

Did you message him/her?

Be careful next time!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: zuqka on May 22, 2014, 01:25:30 pm
I am one of the first that leased my acc but god help I dont understand how you run it? Why are the shares constantly different? One day I my share is 3, next 7, today 0!
...
Found the confirmed ones down the list! It's still pretty confusing
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 22, 2014, 02:00:40 pm
look at your confirmed balance versus your unconfirmed.  unconfirmed is recent earnings for the latest 1440 blocks.  these are subject to changes based on what happend in the blockchain

confirmed is for blocks with at least 1440 confirmations and are set in stone

Also Ive constantly been improving the code, and this requires rescanning of all blocks since I started accepting leases, so this can also affect the reporting.

but it is based on the blockchain.  what you are seeing is just reporting, but what is actually the case is already set in stone.

but please check your account under CONFIRMED and you should see earnings there.

what you can expect to see, is that since the unconfirmed balance is only of the latest 1440 blocks, your balance for unconfirmed WILL move up and down, as we forge new blocks, and also as those earnings gradually get confirmed and move down into the confirmed reporting section.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: zuqka on May 22, 2014, 02:13:34 pm
look at your confirmed balance versus your unconfirmed.  unconfirmed is recent earnings for the latest 1440 blocks.  these are subject to changes based on what happend in the blockchain

confirmed is for blocks with at least 1440 confirmations and are set in stone

Also Ive constantly been improving the code, and this requires rescanning of all blocks since I started accepting leases, so this can also affect the reporting.

but it is based on the blockchain.  what you are seeing is just reporting, but what is actually the case is already set in stone.

but please check your account under CONFIRMED and you should see earnings there.

what you can expect to see, is that since the unconfirmed balance is only of the latest 1440 blocks, your balance for unconfirmed WILL move up and down, as we forge new blocks, and also as those earnings gradually get confirmed and move down into the confirmed reporting section.

Found the confirmed ones down the list! It's still pretty confusing
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 22, 2014, 02:18:25 pm
ill split the info into 2 pages and give a good description at the top.  ive been meaning to do this but wanted to complete th AM payment part first
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: mess on May 23, 2014, 12:06:52 am
ill split the info into 2 pages and give a good description at the top.  ive been meaning to do this but wanted to complete th AM payment part first

I think it would be better if you create a table with three columns instead of having the info splitted into two pages.

e.g.
| Lessor | Unconfirmed Earnings | Confirmed Earnings |
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 23, 2014, 12:27:26 am
Hmm maybe I can try to do that after I do this 1 last thing..  what you are talking about is a good bit more tricky though
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: mess on May 23, 2014, 01:19:14 am
Hmm maybe I can try to do that after I do this 1 last thing..  what you are talking about is a good bit more tricky though
Yep... I think it will imply a bit of more work, but that way the user would have all the information in a single page, which I think will result in a better user experience. Right now the page is OK though, so there is no hurry in doing what I suggested (if it seems like a good idea).
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 23, 2014, 04:21:23 pm
cool thanks lets see how it works in a few days.  it works in my lab so I dont see why not

well i sent your nxt, transaction 1 5698822062962606547 but it doesnt seem to be present anywhere.  i used 24 hr deadline so remind me tomorrow if you have to

Hi forkedchain,

I did not receive the payment from the pool nor your tip.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 23, 2014, 06:42:00 pm
It seems that there is a bug. The pool sent me a lot of transactions with 8 Nxt!   ::)

I am willing to send it back to the pool, but there are so many transactions that it makes hard for me to see how much is what i have to give back..   :o
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: nCtrl on May 23, 2014, 11:16:40 pm
You received 48 transactions, each containing 8.54916521 NXT for a total of 410.3599301 NXT. From this you should exclude what was your actual payout. Finally, 48 NXT got lost because of the transaction fees involved.
Probably better to stop the script for the time being, until you figure out why it is behaving like this.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: x_coin on May 24, 2014, 03:32:42 am
In my client it shows leased out and more than 1440+ confirmation, but in your pool my account is still in Inbound Leases and showing 286 blocks remaining for a very long time

12629788383233825999
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 24, 2014, 03:41:19 am
wow, yeah, but it looks like the same thing happened to a lot of other accounts possibly, since the pool account is nearly empty.  I got some research to do, then some debugging.

but ill probably just give up on autopayments though, and just do it once a week manually for people who request it.

oh well ill back it up wuth my personal acct though, hopefully the others are as honest as you Nxter!  thanks!

Ive disabled the program for now, though we are still forging.  Im actually in holiday in Mexico now.  odd that it was perfectly fine for a few days and as soon as I leave it starts acting up.

actually, it sent you 404 payments of 8.54916521  for a total of 3453.862745  so it was just you it looks like according to my account.  so you were overpaid by 3445.31358 and obviously Ill pay for the 1 NXT transfer back to the pool.  thanks again for your honesty.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: x_coin on May 24, 2014, 03:45:34 am
oh OK , enjoy your holidays .. I will appreciate it if you can give me a timeframe in which my account will start forging , with correct status in the pool
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 24, 2014, 04:03:46 am
all stats are in there now, only thing now is we are back to where we were a few days ago where auto payment wasnt activated.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 24, 2014, 11:00:05 am
wow, yeah, but it looks like the same thing happened to a lot of other accounts possibly, since the pool account is nearly empty.  I got some research to do, then some debugging.

but ill probably just give up on autopayments though, and just do it once a week manually for people who request it.

oh well ill back it up wuth my personal acct though, hopefully the others are as honest as you Nxter!  thanks!

Ive disabled the program for now, though we are still forging.  Im actually in holiday in Mexico now.  odd that it was perfectly fine for a few days and as soon as I leave it starts acting up.

actually, it sent you 404 payments of 8.54916521  for a total of 3453.862745  so it was just you it looks like according to my account.  so you were overpaid by 3445.31358 and obviously Ill pay for the 1 NXT transfer back to the pool.  thanks again for your honesty.

I have sent the Nxt back to the pool. Have a nice holidays!!   ;)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 24, 2014, 04:34:45 pm
Thanks you are officially the pools first benefactor
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: x_coin on May 26, 2014, 11:28:43 am
I am thinking about starting a pool , is your code opensource or you do not want to release it ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: idev on May 26, 2014, 11:58:42 am
is your code opensource or you do not want to release it ?
I would also like to know the answer to this as well.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 26, 2014, 01:37:14 pm
Techdev committe is considering my request for a bounty and then I'll release it. Please go ask them to hurry up and say yes
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ebby on May 27, 2014, 04:50:55 pm
@forkedchain and lessors:
This pool have got 411 NSC (NXT Security Coin) from the last 2 distributions. Congradulation!

I hope you can distribute the NSC to your lessors soon :-)

More information about NSC here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0

Greets,
eb
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 27, 2014, 05:54:39 pm
we can all except some old data for a bit while I work on things here.... stand by (we are still forging though, even though the webpage wont display anything, check your own client for recent blocks and you will still see we are forging)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: nCtrl on May 27, 2014, 06:21:17 pm
I think the algorithm you are using to calculate everybody's share is not working properly, the first time I set a "small" period, therefore recently I had to remake the leasing. During the period of the 1440 confirmations I still received my share even though I was not actually forging.

Also, you request the effective balance of every member every time a non-empty block is generated?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 27, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
why do you believe that the pool could not have forged any blocks during your "small" period?  Remember the 1440 block waiting period does not overlap with your lease period.

If you get me your acct Id I can dump SQL for it for you

I do not have to request effective balance as of every block, this is written to a.csv file for me upon each block that the client detects, and when the pool forges, I search through the data for everyones balance as of the block just previous to the generated block
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: nCtrl on May 27, 2014, 07:30:40 pm
That has to be it then. It seemed strange I was getting NXT even though I was not contributing. Most likely those earnings are due to the maturation of older blocks.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 27, 2014, 07:53:04 pm
oh i see what you mean now, yes, after a lease expires, you still have have come unconfirmed earnings that can mature into confirmed, this is normal
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 27, 2014, 08:39:44 pm
Ive got the auto payment working again, figured out where it was going wrong and we are now 100% again.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 27, 2014, 09:34:37 pm
awwwwww YEAH!!!   another 1000+ block!!!  thanks everyone for trusting in me, the pool is 35M+ now, I had no idea it would be this popular
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on May 28, 2014, 09:05:21 am
I've just seen this payment:

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=15953218809809954426 (http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=15953218809809954426)

It is 5600nxt for 1 leasor, and it seems "too" high.

Is it right?

Anyway, I like your pool!  ;)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: junky998 on May 28, 2014, 11:37:15 am
Apologize, I new to this.

Quote
Payouts
To claim your earnings, simply send an AM (can be empty or put whatever you want in there) to the pool account 1460178482 and after this AM has 1440 comfirmations, your confirmed earnings will be sent to you, minus NXT transfer fee.

What is AM and how to do it to claim my earnings?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 28, 2014, 12:43:42 pm
I've just seen this payment:

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=15953218809809954426 (http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=15953218809809954426)

It is 5600nxt for 1 leasor, and it seems "too" high.

Is it right?

Anyway, I like your pool!  ;)

I moved the funds temporarily because I noticed an automated payment was about to occur and I wanted to make sure that little account draining bug didn't occur again. It will be put back after a few automated payments
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 28, 2014, 12:44:34 pm
Apologize, I new to this.

Quote
Payouts
To claim your earnings, simply send an AM (can be empty or put whatever you want in there) to the pool account 1460178482 and after this AM has 1440 comfirmations, your confirmed earnings will be sent to you, minus NXT transfer fee.

What is AM and how to do it to claim my earnings?
Thank you.

You have to send a message to the pool account.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 29, 2014, 08:10:25 pm
@forkedchain and lessors:
This pool have got 411 NSC (NXT Security Coin) from the last 2 distributions. Congradulation!

I hope you can distribute the NSC to your lessors soon :-)

More information about NSC here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0

Greets,
eb

@forkedchain  how do you plan to distribute the NSC?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 29, 2014, 08:12:09 pm
im going to take a break for a few days now that i believe I have the pool running correctly.  it appears the autopayments are now working correctly, and even some behind the scenes DB stuff that you guys dont see, that correlates AM withdraw request transactions with sendMoney transactions, and then the sendMoney block, is also working right.

so ill probably take a look next week at this to see what.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 29, 2014, 08:13:03 pm
forked chain, see this message form James:  https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxt-distribution/msg31492/#msg31492

You don't have any overhead if you lease your forging power.
Leasing costs 1 NXT every 23 days (plus 2 NXT to extract your revenue). Those are the transaction overheads, assuming the pool itself doesn't charge a fee. They are low, but not zero. If you have fewer than around 25,000 NXT your net return is likely to be negative.
I do not think it will be difficult to get some large NXT holders together who would agree to pay for the tx fees out of their forging fees, so you can calculate the returns without these tx fees. In that case, it wont ever be negative.

I think it is just a matter for the leased pool owners to find a friendly whale.
Until such whales come forward, I will authorize NXTcommunityfund to be the designated leased forging fees payer. So, if you are running a leased forging pool, please contact the volunteer who will coordinate this.

I do not have time to do this, so we first need a person who will work with all the forging pools to get the total fees calculations from each forged pool owner. Then they can send an extra NXT to cover the cost of setting up the lease. No fair to do daily leases,the leases need to be for the ~month period

Then whales, dolphins, etc. can donate to NXTcommunityfund so we can make this a permanent part of NXT community.

How is that for a solution? Now the return from forging is actually more for the smaller NXT holders and the larger ones are paying their fees. Is that fair enough?

James
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 29, 2014, 08:52:56 pm
I replied in that that thread.


Everyone, check out the new info on the status page.  Its not really pool-associated, but just shows all NXT that has been transferred in the network, as an aggregate, over the past 1440 blocks.  Same thing for fees.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 31, 2014, 03:54:51 am
hi all, check out the facelift!  thanks to QBTC for helping me on this.  Im donating some nxt to her, Ill give her some more if techdev ever approves my bounty
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Fatih87SK on May 31, 2014, 07:40:42 am
hi all, check out the facelift!  thanks to QBTC for helping me on this.  Im donating some nxt to her, Ill give her some more if techdev ever approves my bounty

Beautiful.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: himmelsfaller2 on May 31, 2014, 12:19:06 pm
hey while leasing for the first time i leased out again (for a second round) in the hope that I wont have to wait
1440 blocks again and then some days later I leased out again for a third round. it seems that this
doesn't work seamlessly or maybe I troubled the system? anyone can confirm?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on May 31, 2014, 12:33:49 pm
it should work that way.  im me your account# and I can look it up in the blockchain and see what happened
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ebby on May 31, 2014, 12:34:15 pm
@forkedchain and lessors:
This pool have got 411 NSC (NXT Security Coin) from the last 2 distributions. Congradulation!

I hope you can distribute the NSC to your lessors soon :-)

More information about NSC here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0

Greets,
eb

How is it going with the distribution of the NSC to your lessors? At the current price the additional value for your lessors is 4110 NXT!!!

Tomorrow will be the next NSC Distribution! If I don't get an info from you, the distribution to your pool will be paused!

Greets,
eb
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on May 31, 2014, 04:53:22 pm
@forkedchain and lessors:
This pool have got 411 NSC (NXT Security Coin) from the last 2 distributions. Congradulation!

I hope you can distribute the NSC to your lessors soon :-)

More information about NSC here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0

Greets,
eb

How is it going with the distribution of the NSC to your lessors? At the current price the additional value for your lessors is 4110 NXT!!!

Tomorrow will be the next NSC Distribution! If I don't get an info from you, the distribution to your pool will be paused!

Greets,
eb

forkedchain is currently in holidays, do not skip distribution to this pool.
Thanks.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on May 31, 2014, 05:16:20 pm
@forkedchain and lessors:
This pool have got 411 NSC (NXT Security Coin) from the last 2 distributions. Congradulation!

I hope you can distribute the NSC to your lessors soon :-)

More information about NSC here -> https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1511.0

Greets,
eb

How is it going with the distribution of the NSC to your lessors? At the current price the additional value for your lessors is 4110 NXT!!!

Tomorrow will be the next NSC Distribution! If I don't get an info from you, the distribution to your pool will be paused!

Greets,
eb

forkedchain is currently in holidays, do not skip distribution to this pool.
Thanks.

+1

I trust forkedchain 100% to deal with distribution when he's back.  We'd like to continue to receive distributions of your fabulous coin through the pool.  :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 01, 2014, 03:01:19 am
well im back, for awhile this time.  Rome was awesome.  Mexico was ok.

I was planning on working on your NSC but now devs are saying I need to split the pool up, and sorry but this is going to take priority as splitting will relieve these long periods between blocks we are seeing
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ebby on June 01, 2014, 07:58:37 pm
well im back, for awhile this time.  Rome was awesome.  Mexico was ok.

I was planning on working on your NSC but now devs are saying I need to split the pool up, and sorry but this is going to take priority as splitting will relieve these long periods between blocks we are seeing

I just want to get a info, it's ok as long as you planning it ;)

Todays distribution to your pool was 527 NSC! Please don't forget to tell me the accountRS ID after splitting!

Greets,
eb
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: nCtrl on June 04, 2014, 08:54:21 am
I think the pool is down, or on a fork. Most likely down though given it has no activity.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 04, 2014, 01:46:34 pm
yes its fixed now.... was constant scanning
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 01:59:37 am
MOTHER OF GOD

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=17357142567381144138
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 07, 2014, 03:13:51 am
Mother of all blocks  :o

What's going on there?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 07, 2014, 03:24:57 am
I see.   He was making a bid for nemstake at 19,000 per stake but put the bid price into the fee line.

A rather simple error to make, I think.  The GUI should probably protect against that.

What are you going to do with the fee?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 04:02:09 am
ill put it this way..  if I was leasing my own balance to your pool and this happened and you gave it back, id never lease out to you again.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: k_day on June 07, 2014, 04:37:59 am
I don't know man, maybe take a poll? As someone who is leasing their balance to this pool, I would have no problem with the decision to send it back. It is a dumb error, sure, but ~1500 USD is a pretty hefty punishment.

I've seen this happen a lot with Bitcoin and the alts, and the decision to send back always instills quite a bit of pride and goodwill among the community.

Obviously you can do what you want, but I think you may be overstating the reaction of those who lease here to you making such a decision. We are all in this together, and the collective health of the community matters. Being shrewd is not always optimal.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on June 07, 2014, 04:41:15 am
I don't know man, maybe take a poll? As someone who is leasing their balance to this pool, I would have no problem with the decision to send it back. It is a dumb error, sure, but ~1500 USD is a pretty hefty punishment.

I've seen this happen a lot with Bitcoin and the alts, and the decision to send back always instills quite a bit of pride and goodwill among the community.

Obviously you can do what you want, but I think you may be overstating the reaction of those who lease here to you making such a decision. We are all in this together, and the collective health of the community matters. Being shrewd is not always optimal.

+1

Accidents happen.  If it was me, I'd send it back.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on June 07, 2014, 09:28:27 am
I think he was a very concern individual and want to promote forging.
 ;)

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Brangdon on June 07, 2014, 11:52:45 am
ill put it this way..  if I was leasing my own balance to your pool and this happened and you gave it back, id never lease out to you again.
For me it's probably one of those cases where what the winner wins is less than what the loser loses. In this case I'm poor enough that my share of the pool would only be about 20 NXT, and I'm rich enough that I would happily write off 20 NXT out of empathy for someone getting tricked by UI. People with more would lose more, but they could also afford to lose more.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 01:44:40 pm
I can't just send it all back from the pool account since it will really screw up my accounting system. I will though, paste a table in here showing every pool members cut of that block so they each can send back if they so wish.

I'll do this once the winnings move into the confirmed earnings. Someone please rremindme.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on June 07, 2014, 03:40:55 pm
Stats are not refreshing at http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php)

Anyway, the pool is forging without problem  8)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 07, 2014, 04:29:45 pm
Are you doing automatic payments or do we have to send messages requesting payouts?

Thanks
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 05:28:57 pm
Am payments are being processed now. go for it. remember the payment wont be issued until 1440 blcks after your am is sent. and you get only the confirmed balance as of that am transaction having 1440 confs
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 07, 2014, 06:03:07 pm
So I just send a message to the pool account saying "Pay me"?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 07:47:39 pm
Yes but Doesnt habe to say anything in the message  blank is fine
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 07, 2014, 09:45:48 pm
WOOHOO, just realized that we are now the most powerful forger in the NXT network!!!  I am currently working on changing things around to split the pool into 10 forging accounts.  So if you are in one of the 10 accounts, and any of the other 9 forges, you will still get full credit as if you were in the account that forged.

so this new thing Im building would be considered a pool of pools.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 07, 2014, 10:19:16 pm
Thanks for your work.  You must be learning a lot  :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 07, 2014, 10:22:08 pm
so this new thing Im building would be considered a pool of pools.

Since you have no control over the nxt you get leased, how are you going to split the leased balance to different accounts?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 08, 2014, 01:25:07 am
im not handling it that way.  each time a block is forged, I will sum all lessors' power from all pools to obtain an overall balance, and split block fees that way
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lopalcar on June 08, 2014, 07:51:35 am
One question, if I withraw now, will I receive all NSC when you distribute them acording to my leasing history right?

PD: Congratulations all forgers for this block http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=17357142567381144138 hehe  and sorry for the guy who confounded bid and fee  :(
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Brangdon on June 08, 2014, 12:16:17 pm
so this new thing Im building would be considered a pool of pools.

Since you have no control over the nxt you get leased, how are you going to split the leased balance to different accounts?
Presumably, next time we lease to the pool, we have to pick which of the 10 sub-pool accounts to lease to? The pool isn't allowed to re-lease what we leased to it, so that's the only way I can see to manage it.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 08, 2014, 01:53:14 pm
yes, nsc will go out based on past state also.  and yes, I will dynamically list the smallest account on the website so people will know which one to lease out to
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: zuqka on June 08, 2014, 03:16:35 pm
Yes but Doesnt habe to say anything in the message  blank is fine

Can you please post clear instructions on how to request payment? pm who, you? where, here or on nxt?

And why is there no auto payment feature?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: zuqka on June 08, 2014, 03:19:13 pm
yes, nsc will go out based on past state also.  and yes, I will dynamically list the smallest account on the website so people will know which one to lease out to

nsc? what is that?
dunno mate, why is that there is no noob friendly "how to" anywhere to be find?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 08, 2014, 03:57:44 pm
Guys  it's on the website. Read the how to page
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lopalcar on June 09, 2014, 07:57:57 am
yes, nsc will go out based on past state also.  and yes, I will dynamically list the smallest account on the website so people will know which one to lease out to

nsc? what is that?
dunno mate, why is that there is no noob friendly "how to" anywhere to be find?

NSC is Nxt Security Coin, is an asset which is distributed among block forgers, is limited to 1 NSC per 24h for solo forgers and unlimited to pools I think, each NSC worth 10nxt now, the big stakeholders are buying them to mantain this price and attract new forgers. If you see pool account assets balance could see how many NSC it have, this will be distributed to the pool members, so probably, if you sell them, you will double your forged balance :)

About a how to, I think is pretty good explained in the pool webpage :) http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/howto.html
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 20, 2014, 03:45:07 pm
BUMP from page 7
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 21, 2014, 03:04:08 pm
I am not finding the description and your page is not loading.

Can you tell how to withdraw again? Just write a NXT message or what should the content be?

Ty
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on June 21, 2014, 03:11:26 pm
I am not finding the description and your page is not loading.

Can you tell how to withdraw again? Just write a NXT message or what should the content be?

Ty

And,

Is it mandatory to withdraw when the leasing period ends? or could we lease it again and ask for just 1 withdrawal of the whole profits?

Ty x2
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 21, 2014, 03:24:03 pm
dont ever have to request a withdraw.  you can let lease completlely lapse, send a new lease before expiration, or send a new leas after expiration.  whenever you want, just request an withdraw via a simple AM to the pool forging account.  AM doesnt have to have anything in it, but will still work if it does.  and if your account has confirmed earnings, whenever the AM gets processed, your latest confirmed earnings will be sent
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 22, 2014, 01:03:19 pm
Sent a message to "NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222" some 600 confirmed transactions ago.

But nothing happened yet. Was this wrong?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 22, 2014, 05:43:37 pm
After that am has 1440 cons the payment automatically sends
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 23, 2014, 08:42:42 pm
After that am has 1440 cons the payment automatically sends

1440+, nothing received yet...
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 23, 2014, 08:51:12 pm
hmm im getting lots of automatic payments working fine..  PM me the account# you used to send me the message
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 23, 2014, 09:16:12 pm
I checked my logs, I do see a TX that I sent out that correlates in my database to the TX you sent me, but that TX never made it into a block, or the block it did make it into got orphaned.  I just reset your confirmed earnings, can you please send another AM?  sorry about the problems.  I will send you 10 NXT from my account now though
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 23, 2014, 09:28:33 pm
:D thank you for the 10 nxt!

Sent another message, lets see what happens.
Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Fatih87SK on June 24, 2014, 07:56:18 am
Is NXTCrypto.org pool down? Redirects to nxtcommunity.org.

http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/ (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/)

Try this.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 24, 2014, 01:21:28 pm
well, looks like we lost a big forger.  I hate that.  hopefully they didnt go to another pool.  Ive tried to make this pool be the nicest one, I dont think any others have any kind of tracking at all yet.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on June 24, 2014, 05:44:04 pm
are you referring to 860 .... ?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 24, 2014, 05:47:29 pm
well im not really sure, all I know is that yesterday we had 50M and I guess someones lease expired cause were at 40M now
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: vytasz7 on June 24, 2014, 05:55:04 pm
Hi, my last payment from forging pool was  on 13th of june i got 435.555nxt ,today is 24th after 10 days of forging only 2 nxt on my acc,cant be that little
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 24, 2014, 06:05:07 pm
we got a monster block 20K fees before that date which is why you got that big payout
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Tosch110 on June 26, 2014, 08:23:03 am
I checked my logs, I do see a TX that I sent out that correlates in my database to the TX you sent me, but that TX never made it into a block, or the block it did make it into got orphaned.  I just reset your confirmed earnings, can you please send another AM?  sorry about the problems.  I will send you 10 NXT from my account now though

Thanks, everything has worked now!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on June 27, 2014, 07:27:36 am
Fork?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 27, 2014, 01:32:51 pm
yeah, the fork is fixed, and now is forging correctly... im fixing the reporting now.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: rlh on June 27, 2014, 07:24:34 pm
yeah, the fork is fixed, and now is forging correctly... im fixing the reporting now.

Please don't take this question as an accusation but how do these forks keep happening?  I have two Nxt nodes running, which have been running for months.  I've not had to restart my software, yet.  Well, I've had to restart my machines once or twice, but not Nxt.

Can someone, somehow, send a bogus block and get these big pooled forging accounts to run on a fork?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 27, 2014, 07:35:47 pm
no idea, its a public VPS on the most reputable provider, digital ocean, running standard NRS 1.1.5  Ive even enabled hallmark protection on it.

I do have a script that auto restarts NRS if it sees that it is stuck on a block for too long a period, I think Ill try to modify it to also restart if it sees like 5 blocks in a row from the pool, or something like that.

but yes, i have considered someone is able to make it happen intentionally.  not sure how they do it though.  interestingly, it always happens right after I go to sleep
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: rlh on June 27, 2014, 08:06:28 pm
interestingly, it always happens right after I go to sleep

That is odd.  In fact, you might want to bring that up for discussion with one of the devs.  Especially if they can look and see when the forks keep happening on your forging machine.  Maybe some savvy individual could find a bad IP and they can block it.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 01, 2014, 06:21:36 pm
ok a bit of news... as soon as I get these other VPSs set up that some folks have asked me to run for them,
(see my other post regarding me managing for free, a VPS that you buy)
I will purchase another VPS that I will keep 100% private and not hallmark, and not put any DNS on it, and no one will know its IP except me.

This way, I think it will be more safe from attacks.  Additionally, I will also put some fork detection on it that emoneyRU has already got set up for me.

The bad news is that since the webserver reporting tool will remain on the same server for now, for a period of time we will lose the nice countdown timer.  Eventually I will program some remote fetching to get it back, but look to see it go away for a bit.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 03, 2014, 02:31:35 am
ive made a bit of progress.  for now the VPS server pool.nxtcrypto.org is no longer the forging VPS, its now a simple hallmarked public node that doesnt forge.

it just happens to have the mysql DB and webserver for our pool.

I have a separate private non-hallmarked forging node that forges for the pool account.  so hopefully we will see much less disruption now.

so for now, the forging timer has been removed, ill get it added back sometime next week
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 05, 2014, 02:27:57 pm
the pool is still forging oin the private system, ive disabled the pool.nxtcrypto.org webserver for now
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 07, 2014, 12:01:34 am
reporting server is now back on track.  looks like we lost another 10M lessor though...  We're still strong at 29M though.  next week ill implement the fork detection
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Berry on July 10, 2014, 08:09:14 pm

Hi,

I have a problem with the payout.

So I have to send a private message to 1460178482.
I tried but I get the message "wrong secret".
I can´t leave it blank cause it is a required field.

The secret is the same like logging in in my account right?

I have no typo for sure cause i use "Autotype" and it works everytime I log in, and I tried to send the message a lot of times.

Can someone help?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 10, 2014, 08:34:51 pm
what client are you using.  if you can send nxt then you should be able to send a message
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Berry on July 10, 2014, 09:07:39 pm
what client are you using.  if you can send nxt then you should be able to send a message

NXT Wallet Win. Wealeys client.

Yes I know, but I can´t. I can send NXT, I can buy ae´s, I registered an alias, but I can´t send a message.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: rlh on July 11, 2014, 12:54:47 am
Hey forkedchain,

I sent you an AM a couple days ago, but I never received my payment.  Are they automated or manual?

Here's the TXID: 4399210897026860040 (http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=4399210897026860040)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 11, 2014, 01:21:18 am
I'll check into it when I get home later tonight
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 11, 2014, 03:42:06 am
the AM needs 1440 confirmations before the automated system kicks off the payment.  You should get your payment in block 182252 or 182253
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: rlh on July 11, 2014, 01:38:35 pm
the AM needs 1440 confirmations before the automated system kicks off the payment.  You should get your payment in block 182252 or 182253

Oh, sorry.  I should have counted.  I didn't realize the blockchain was so slow.  I know it's not processing 1 minute blocks, but I thought it was a little faster than that.  Thank you.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: DF on July 15, 2014, 06:50:48 pm
Last month I had 30 something balance on nxtcrypto forging pool. I sent a message to the forging account and never received my balance. I just checked my confirmed earnings and it says I have 2 Nxt confirmed earnings now.

xxx://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11740822796268092326

You can see where I sent the message and never received my earnings on the blockchain.

Leased balance proof
xxx://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11740822796268092326&switch=13
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 16, 2014, 03:11:12 am
please send me a PM about this i have to go to sleep now so dont let me forget this.  i will figure out what happened
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 21, 2014, 03:13:15 am
Last month I had 30 something balance on nxtcrypto forging pool. I sent a message to the forging account and never received my balance. I just checked my confirmed earnings and it says I have 2 Nxt confirmed earnings now.

xxx://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11740822796268092326

You can see where I sent the message and never received my earnings on the blockchain.

Leased balance proof
xxx://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11740822796268092326&switch=13

I just tracked this down and resent your payment, it didnt go out like all others do because I guess the server happened to be on a fork at the time.  sorry about that
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: markus1000 on July 24, 2014, 09:15:17 am
Hey I did receive my Nxt payment after sending an AM but I thought NSCs are also distributed. Whats the status on that?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: AngryInca on July 29, 2014, 09:28:20 am
Can anyone explain why the confirmed earning for my NXT ID keeps reducing?

I've gone from ~8NXT, then ~0.6NXT to 0.00132313NXT today - this is without withdrawing any NXT on the confirmed earning page, not the recent earning page.

I thought the confirmed earnings should increase as the NXT from the recent earnings are confirmed and added to your existing balance.  How can I have NXT taken away from the balance?!
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 29, 2014, 03:18:31 pm
im still not sure how to handle NSC.  I think to try to code it will take too much time for me to do and maintain a free service.

Im considering just doing a weekly lottery and giving all NSC out to that winner.  Or just donating it to one of the committees.

angryInca please pm me your acct ID so I can look and see.

you do understand that your recent earnings gradually moves out of recent earnings and into confirmed earning, right?  If you never withdraw then your confirmed earnings should grow and grow, and your recent earnings will kind of jump around as it is only reflective of what has happened in the latest 1440 blocks
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: AngryInca on July 29, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
angryInca please pm me your acct ID so I can look and see.

you do understand that your recent earnings gradually moves out of recent earnings and into confirmed earning, right?  If you never withdraw then your confirmed earnings should grow and grow, and your recent earnings will kind of jump around as it is only reflective of what has happened in the latest 1440 blocks

I've sent you a PM.

Yes, this is definitely on the confirmed earnings page. My balance has gone from  like 8.13E^1 to .6. .001. It looks like its starting to increase now though. To be honest, it initally seemed a lot of NXT for what I was leasing though.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: AngryInca on July 29, 2014, 06:38:43 pm
Just to clarify for anyone who read my previous posts.  The confirmed earnings page is correct.

Very low confirmed earnings may be displayed in this notation - 3.52E-6. Because they are display to the minus, at a quick glance it can appear that the balance is decreasing each day. If the full balance was displayed the balance would actually be increasing each time.

Thanks to forkedchain for sending me info.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: browsinator on August 03, 2014, 02:49:07 pm
When I go to lease my balance.  I get a error message that states: "There is a problem with the recipient account".  I am using recipient account number 1460178482.  Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: browsinator on August 04, 2014, 02:08:49 am
Disregard above.  Now the recipient account number works fine.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: blackdhalia on August 10, 2014, 11:58:49 am
Send Arbitrary message 2 days ago, still not receive the earning :( , here my id :3982213630286437758
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on August 15, 2014, 09:59:50 am
Dear pool operator, what do you intend to do about this:
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/forgers-have-been-faced-with-a-choice/140/

What is your stance on this. Since some of us have our forging power leased to you we cannot act directly but instead need to rely on you to act accordingly.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: TheCoinWizard on August 15, 2014, 02:27:52 pm
dear pool, please consider using the following release, freezing the hacked bter account pre hack:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-2-5b/?all

If you want us to vote for it, let us know if we need to send you tokens, or an AM.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 15, 2014, 02:57:52 pm
Im not going to fork.  That will seriously damage NXT.  Im sorry if you all disagree but this is what decentralization is about.

BTER was fucking dumb for running this on a VPS and not dedicated HW in their own secure datacenter.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 15, 2014, 02:59:55 pm
ive already posted my code, if the chain im staying on becomes abandoned Ill probably just give up on NXT. (decentralization is what NXT is about in the first place)  Ive already released my code for running the accounting and payouts for the pool, someone can feel free to take it up on the new chain if this is what happens.

yes I realize I am going against my own userid here. (that was a joke)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on August 15, 2014, 03:08:00 pm
Sorry Forked but I think you don't understand the "issue". I think whichever the chain is chosen it is chosen in a 100% decentralized way:

"If the majority of the forging power wants to forge in an alternative chain, it is the most decentralized decision ever made. Every forger has in his hands to forge or not the alternative chain."


You made your choice, as every forger does -> Decentralization at its finest.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on August 15, 2014, 03:19:30 pm
I totally respect your opinion and decision. I don't have anything at stake in this mess but I just hope that whatever happens NXT will not die as a result. I guess if the blockchain we're on becomes orphaned the balance lease will just expire or will you just shutdown  your nxt client that's forging?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: eimon on August 16, 2014, 12:27:17 am
Im not going to fork.  That will seriously damage NXT.  Im sorry if you all disagree but this is what decentralization is about.

BTER was fucking dumb for running this on a VPS and not dedicated HW in their own secure datacenter.

Glad to read this; this is the right call and I'll be leaving my NXT with this pool. Bter was dumb and people were dumb for leaving so much NXT there. I mean, 50M? I think I'll keep my NXT in my own account leased to a forging pool  ;D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on August 20, 2014, 09:39:31 pm
Reporting for the pool has been stalled for a while.  Are we still forging?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 21, 2014, 12:38:04 am
yes still forging,  you can see we are still generating blocks.  the reporting is hosed up now, something with the new 1.2.6 software.  im trying to figure it out but reporting and payouts arent working just yet
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on August 21, 2014, 01:59:07 am
thanks

I should have realized that I could have just checked the blockchain to see if we are forging

duh!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Valtiel on August 21, 2014, 09:58:52 pm
any notice about the generated earnings or a alternative way to check them? and the probable time it could take to fix the issue?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: martismartis on August 22, 2014, 05:35:22 am
Sent AM on 17/8/2014, but forged amount is not in my account yet. Message sent from NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY (5703501790250188888).
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on August 22, 2014, 11:10:14 am
It takes a bit for the AM to confirm.

Any update on the stats page fix?

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 25, 2014, 03:00:20 am
I believe I see what the problem is, JLP changed the order of data presented into his logging CSV file, i believe this may be why its messed up; im trying to patch my system for this and testing it now.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: cobaltskky on August 25, 2014, 03:13:41 am
Do we have you guys on the NSC distribution?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 25, 2014, 03:49:31 am
I just dont have the time to program it right now.  it would take a LOT of work
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 26, 2014, 12:45:04 am
i figured out the problem and the server is in progress of catching up on all the blocks, i expect this to take a fair number of hours to complete, will probably be up to latest block some time tomorrow

if you have sent payment request AMs they will be discovered and payouts sent as it catches up on the blocks
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on August 26, 2014, 01:07:07 am
thanks
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on August 26, 2014, 02:36:26 am
Excellent. Thanks for all your work.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: eimon on August 26, 2014, 10:02:49 pm
My confirmed earnings looks low. My "recent earnings" went to zero but my confirmed earnings are lower than the sum of my previous confirmed earnings and what the recent earnings were.

A couple days ago I had about 90 NXT confirmed and about 80 NXT recent (don't remember exact numbers). Now I have 121.7 confirmed and 0.02 recent. Doesn't add up.

Another thing: I recently moved almost all my NXT out of this account. According to the "status" page I have 13 NXT in this account (this is correct), but I make up 4.5% of the pool! Anyway, it seems like something is off with my account.

Act no. 10366902444902381009
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on August 27, 2014, 10:25:21 pm
Hmm, is the script broken somehow? Inbound leases are not showing up.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 28, 2014, 01:52:47 am
ahh ill have to take a look, i didnt think to check to see if that part of the script was broken with the new 1.2.6 release, I just checked the other parts.  give me some tiem
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: pocesar on August 28, 2014, 10:05:05 pm
the address need to be updated to NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222, the Nxt wallet doesn't allow number IDs anymore, need to be the RS address
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: eimon on August 29, 2014, 07:00:24 pm
My confirmed earnings looks low. My "recent earnings" went to zero but my confirmed earnings are lower than the sum of my previous confirmed earnings and what the recent earnings were.

A couple days ago I had about 90 NXT confirmed and about 80 NXT recent (don't remember exact numbers). Now I have 121.7 confirmed and 0.02 recent. Doesn't add up.

Another thing: I recently moved almost all my NXT out of this account. According to the "status" page I have 13 NXT in this account (this is correct), but I make up 4.5% of the pool! Anyway, it seems like something is off with my account.

Act no. 10366902444902381009

So no response to this issue? Just wondering why my forging earnings went down by about 50 NXT, and why it now says I'm over 3% of the pool even though I only have 10 NXT left in it.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on September 07, 2014, 11:06:40 pm
i think you are reading it wrong.  its using scientific notation for very small numbers
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on September 12, 2014, 05:54:28 pm
heyah!  another 1000+ fee block!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on September 12, 2014, 06:51:25 pm
I love those  :D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: rtrtcrypto on September 26, 2014, 01:26:27 pm
Can I lease my NXT for this pool? Is this still going?

Please post the address to where I can lease to - thanks.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allbits on September 26, 2014, 04:16:20 pm
Everything you need to know is here:

http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on October 16, 2014, 09:15:35 am
Hi all,

Thanks to forkedchain for great project with NXTCrypto pool! Several days ago, I - first time in my "NXT life" - did "lease of my effective balance", and of course to this pool :). I just have a simple question about the withdrawals -- I read instructions on pool.nxtcrypto.org page, where is following :

"As your recent/unconfirmed earnings from blocks mature with 1440+ confirmations, this balance will grow, and this balance represents what is available for you to withdraw via an AM to the pool's account 1460178482. Just a blank AM with no message is fine."

So, I just sent the blank AM message to the NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 account. It was yesterday (2014-10-15 17:42 GMT), but I cannot see any withdrawal till now ;). I supposed that this process is fully automated, so it is not? Or is it necessary to wait for 1440+ confirmations of that arbitrary message ? Or understand I something wrong? Of course I cannot rule it out, as I'm really "overbusy" these days and my mind is little bit tired ;).

Thanx for the explanation!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Fatih87SK on October 16, 2014, 09:18:23 am
Hi all,

Thanks to forkedchain for great project with NXTCrypto pool! Several days ago, I - first time in my "NXT life" - did "lease of my effective balance", and of course to this pool :). I just have a simple question about the withdrawals -- I read instructions on pool.nxtcrypto.org page, where is following :

"As your recent/unconfirmed earnings from blocks mature with 1440+ confirmations, this balance will grow, and this balance represents what is available for you to withdraw via an AM to the pool's account 1460178482. Just a blank AM with no message is fine."

So, I just sent the blank AM message to the NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 account. It was yesterday (2014-10-15 17:42 GMT), but I cannot see any withdrawal till now ;). I supposed that this process is fully automated, so it is not? Or is it necessary to wait for 1440+ confirmations of that arbitrary message ? Or understand I something wrong? Of course I cannot rule it out, as I'm really "overbusy" these days and my mind is little bit tired ;).

Thanx for the explanation!

I think you have to wait for a specific Confirmation amount of the transaction (message) you made.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on October 16, 2014, 10:36:15 am
Hi all,

Thanks to forkedchain for great project with NXTCrypto pool! Several days ago, I - first time in my "NXT life" - did "lease of my effective balance", and of course to this pool :). I just have a simple question about the withdrawals -- I read instructions on pool.nxtcrypto.org page, where is following :

"As your recent/unconfirmed earnings from blocks mature with 1440+ confirmations, this balance will grow, and this balance represents what is available for you to withdraw via an AM to the pool's account 1460178482. Just a blank AM with no message is fine."

So, I just sent the blank AM message to the NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 account. It was yesterday (2014-10-15 17:42 GMT), but I cannot see any withdrawal till now ;). I supposed that this process is fully automated, so it is not? Or is it necessary to wait for 1440+ confirmations of that arbitrary message ? Or understand I something wrong? Of course I cannot rule it out, as I'm really "overbusy" these days and my mind is little bit tired ;).

Thanx for the explanation!

I think you have to wait for a specific Confirmation amount of the transaction (message) you made.

Yes, I know, this is full done, I assume ;). All my forged amount is in "Confirmed earnings", and nothing is left in "Recent earnings" (on pool.nxtcrypto.org page) . Ah, sorry, you wrote about AM -- so it's probably necessary to wait for 1440+ (or some specific amount) confirmations (of this "blank message"), as I wondered in the post above ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Fatih87SK on October 16, 2014, 10:43:25 am
Hi all,

Thanks to forkedchain for great project with NXTCrypto pool! Several days ago, I - first time in my "NXT life" - did "lease of my effective balance", and of course to this pool :). I just have a simple question about the withdrawals -- I read instructions on pool.nxtcrypto.org page, where is following :

"As your recent/unconfirmed earnings from blocks mature with 1440+ confirmations, this balance will grow, and this balance represents what is available for you to withdraw via an AM to the pool's account 1460178482. Just a blank AM with no message is fine."

So, I just sent the blank AM message to the NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 account. It was yesterday (2014-10-15 17:42 GMT), but I cannot see any withdrawal till now ;). I supposed that this process is fully automated, so it is not? Or is it necessary to wait for 1440+ confirmations of that arbitrary message ? Or understand I something wrong? Of course I cannot rule it out, as I'm really "overbusy" these days and my mind is little bit tired ;).

Thanx for the explanation!

I think you have to wait for a specific Confirmation amount of the transaction (message) you made.

Yes, I know, this is full done, I assume ;). All my forged amount is in "Confirmed earnings", and nothing is left in "Recent earnings" (on pool.nxtcrypto.org page) . Ah, sorry, you wrote about AM -- so it's probably necessary to wait for 1440+ (or some specific amount) confirmations (of this "blank message"), as I wondered in the post above ?

Yes.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 17, 2014, 04:46:02 pm
find whatever block your AM was in, then add 1441 to that number and the result is the block that your payment should be in.  or somewhere close to that number
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: martismartis on October 17, 2014, 06:15:47 pm
find whatever block your AM was in, then add 1441 to that number and the result is the block that your payment should be in.  or somewhere close to that number

My message was send on 17/8/2014, until now didn't receive any NXT from your pool. Numeric account 5703501790250188888, RS in signature.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 17, 2014, 08:23:16 pm
i think all the forks yesterday and before delayed sending NXT
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on October 19, 2014, 03:03:44 am
i think all the forks yesterday and before delayed sending NXT

Yeah, I got my withdrawal (thanks!) after 1586 confirmations of my AM, so it's probably due to fork issues ?

Anyway I - it's (the withdrawal) fully automated process, or you doing it manually (sometime after 1440+ confirmations of AM) ?

Anyway II - is necessary to wait for 1440+ confirmations of AM, even if all the forged share has 1440+ long before (the all amount is in "Confirmed Earnings" column already) ?

Anyway III - is there another way to withdraw, instead of send of AM (for example send PM to you on this forum) ? Why I'm asking -- if somebody forged just "a few bucks", then the percentage of fees is actually quite high. First 1NXT for join the pool (lease out an effective balance), second 1NXT to send AM, and third 1NXT for the fee in payment transaction. Until the fee for AM will not be lowered (from a certain perspective, the amount of 1NXT for one message is really high), maybe people will think about saving (the fees). Of course I'm not saying that it is relevant to your side, simply I'm just ask :)

Thanks again for all your work on NXTcrypto.org pool, and I'm gonna lease out my effective balance to you again ;)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 19, 2014, 01:41:58 pm
1. fully automated

2.  i didnt want an AM payment request that could potentially be rolled off to be used to actually process payment.  then it may look like i paid someone before they send an AM payment request

3. no sorry its how i wrote the software.  it was just the easiest way i could fully automatedly implement it all.   see #1 and #2
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 06, 2014, 04:25:35 am
1. fully automated

2.  i didnt want an AM payment request that could potentially be rolled off to be used to actually process payment.  then it may look like i paid someone before they send an AM payment request

3. no sorry its how i wrote the software.  it was just the easiest way i could fully automatedly implement it all.   see #1 and #2

Thanks forkedchain for the explanation, and "fresh question" about NXTcrypto status, or at least status of stats pages -- more than day is there still same amount in "Confirmed Earnings" column, "Recent Earnings" column is resetting to zero occassionally -- it did happen at least today (2014-11-06, around 02:00 GMT) , and two days ago (2014-11-04, around 23:00 GMT). So, do you know, what's happened there ? Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 06, 2014, 04:46:23 pm
are you saying your confirmed balance just never increases?  are you absolutely sure you are not having a problem reading the scientific notation of the values that are presented in the web page?

how long has your lease been active? (how many blocks)
how much longer is your lease active for?
when you say" reset to zero, is that absolutely just 0, or is there any tiny minute amount there?  when this happens is it just your account?

most likely you just do not understand how to read the scientific notation.   the program handles every account exactly the same.  if you are having problems then so will everyone else, and the account I lease to the pool seems perfectly fine.

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 06, 2014, 09:16:25 pm
are you saying your confirmed balance just never increases?  are you absolutely sure you are not having a problem reading the scientific notation of the values that are presented in the web page?

how long has your lease been active? (how many blocks)
how much longer is your lease active for?
when you say" reset to zero, is that absolutely just 0, or is there any tiny minute amount there?  when this happens is it just your account?

most likely you just do not understand how to read the scientific notation.   the program handles every account exactly the same.  if you are having problems then so will everyone else, and the account I lease to the pool seems perfectly fine.

Hi forkedchain,

well, I probably should understand (how to read) the scientific notation, as I am a graduate of the Faculty of Mathematics and Physics :-). Maybe I didn't described the problem good / exactly, as I'm not native and my English is not really brilliant. If this is the case, sorry for that.

Detailed description now follows :

1/ My account is NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, or 16489601202467842357 in numerical format (NXTcrypto uses this one). My current "leased out period" (to NXTcrypto) is from block 263922 till block 284805, so there is ca 6950 blocks left just now. My forged ratio at NXTcrypto pool is an average of around 1% (0.922% exactly now).

2/ In "Confirmed earnings" section (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/confirmedearnings.php) I can see (and I suppose also you can see :-) ) still the same value (22.03889686 NXT) since Tuesday (2014-11-04, around 21:45 GMT). Expected status: This value will continuously slowly grow, as "recent earnings" amount "overflow" to this confirmed value, after 1440+ confirmations. And as it worked all the time before.

3/ I suppose I understand, what the value in "Recent earnings" section (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/recentearnings.php) means, and that it is "floating" (increasing, when new block with non-zero fee was forged by NXTcrypto, decreasing when the appropriate part of earnings reaches 1440 confirmations). So: on Tuesday 2014-11-04, 22:45 GMT, there was amount of 4.3860 NXT in "Recent earnings", on 2014-11-04, 23:00 GMT there was 0.0000. Then it slowly grows (as expected) till Thu 2014-11-06, 01:45 GMT. In that time there was amount of 1.4243 NXT. On 2014-11-06, 02:00 GMT : 0.0000 NXT again. Since that time, it grows to current value 0.67555415 NXT. But during all this time, confirmed value is still the same, "stationary" (22.03889686 NXT) - see above in paragraph 2/.

I agree with you, that if I have troubles, everyone else should has the same problems. It's really strange. Or I just plain stupid, of course, this also cannot be ruled out completely :-).

So, thanks for the examination of situation - but only if you'll have some free time for it. Assign it a low priority, please - it's all about a few NXT, so it's just interesting, definitively not important or even critical.

Thanks, nice evening to all "poolers" ;-)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 07, 2014, 05:18:24 pm
thanks for this info!  I have found a huge issue, it looks like after block 274769 my accounting software doesnt get ANYBODY's data (not just yours).

Ill have to look more into it later, unfortunately I have a busy weekend.  Thanks for reporting what you have found.

ETA:  it looks like the flat .csv file used for debugging has stopped being written.  I think maybe it has got too big to handle.  I know Jean Luc almost has ready where I can get all my data from the blockchain instead of from his debug file.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jean-Luc on November 08, 2014, 11:05:01 am
ETA:  it looks like the flat .csv file used for debugging has stopped being written.  I think maybe it has got too big to handle.
The csv file is only being written to during a rescan, or when receiving new blocks. If you restart, existing csv file will be overwritten, starting from the current last block, not from the genesis. If you were 100 blocks behind when restarted, as you catch up with the blockchain, those 100 blocks will be logged in the csv file (and only those).

You can also do a partial rescan, thus generating a csv file of the rescanned blocks only. Use the /test page under Debug, scan. Need to have nxt.enableDebugAPI=true in properties. However, partial rescans are supported for the last nxt.maxRollback number of blocks (default 1440). If you try to rescan more, a full scan will be done.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 10, 2014, 03:01:10 am
ETA:  it looks like the flat .csv file used for debugging has stopped being written.  I think maybe it has got too big to handle.
The csv file is only being written to during a rescan, or when receiving new blocks. If you restart, existing csv file will be overwritten, starting from the current last block, not from the genesis. If you were 100 blocks behind when restarted, as you catch up with the blockchain, those 100 blocks will be logged in the csv file (and only those).

You can also do a partial rescan, thus generating a csv file of the rescanned blocks only. Use the /test page under Debug, scan. Need to have nxt.enableDebugAPI=true in properties. However, partial rescans are supported for the last nxt.maxRollback number of blocks (default 1440). If you try to rescan more, a full scan will be done.


I see, is there way to force it to just full rescan from genesis every time from start, so the it writes the entire file upon start?  I know it makes it very slow to restart, but it worked like this up until the new restructure you've recently done.  At least this will get the accounting software to work.  I have already begin coding to get data from the blockchain instead of the file, so hopefully whenever your next release is, it will fix  that bug and I cna forget about this debug file.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jean-Luc on November 10, 2014, 08:14:54 am
I see, is there way to force it to just full rescan from genesis every time from start, so the it writes the entire file upon start?
nxt.forceScan=true
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 10, 2014, 05:14:10 pm
thanks for this info!  I have found a huge issue, it looks like after block 274769 my accounting software doesnt get ANYBODY's data (not just yours).

Ill have to look more into it later, unfortunately I have a busy weekend.  Thanks for reporting what you have found.

ETA:  it looks like the flat .csv file used for debugging has stopped being written.  I think maybe it has got too big to handle.  I know Jean Luc almost has ready where I can get all my data from the blockchain instead of from his debug file.

Hi forkedchain, not at all, I'm glad that I helped contribute to the problem ;). Anyway, I noticed another "resetting to zero" of Recent earnings evidence, today (2014-11-10), around 07:30 GMT (close to block 280704, that has been forged by NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 / NXTCrypto.org pool account). I suppose it relates to your solving of the problem ?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 11, 2014, 12:15:44 pm
thanks for this info!  I have found a huge issue, it looks like after block 274769 my accounting software doesnt get ANYBODY's data (not just yours).

Ill have to look more into it later, unfortunately I have a busy weekend.  Thanks for reporting what you have found.

ETA:  it looks like the flat .csv file used for debugging has stopped being written.  I think maybe it has got too big to handle.  I know Jean Luc almost has ready where I can get all my data from the blockchain instead of from his debug file.

Hi forkedchain, not at all, I'm glad that I helped contribute to the problem ;). Anyway, I noticed another "resetting to zero" of Recent earnings evidence, today (2014-11-10), around 07:30 GMT (close to block 280704, that has been forged by NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 / NXTCrypto.org pool account). I suppose it relates to your solving of the problem ?

Another "reset to zero" around 2014-11-10 21:15 GMT ( and from block 281366 is NXTcrypto probably not forging and/or stats pages are not updated ? ). By the way, will be possible to (re)calculate the "missing parts", or is it a mission impossible and it is lost forever?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 11, 2014, 05:32:13 pm
i will be able to start back up where i left off.  some of the confirmed earnings are being reset because of the payouts though.  im about to start working on this now
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 12, 2014, 03:54:52 am
ok ive got it all crunching the data, in the process of catching up.  hopefully before tomorrow evening will be back 100% up to date on the numbers, and from here on the flat debug data file is present to be read.

hopefully soon though, I can use the blockchain whenever that API bug gets resolved on getting lessors' guaranteed balances as of certain blockids
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 12, 2014, 03:18:09 pm
ok things should be all set now
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 12, 2014, 08:46:52 pm
ok things should be all set now

It looks like it's been frozen (+ "resetting to zero" in Recent earnings) again ? Around 2014-11-12 19:00 GMT.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 17, 2014, 05:59:50 pm
how has it been looking lately?  I did some changed friday that should have resolved the issues.  this week i will redo the accounting piece to process blocks based on the blockchain database, since 1.3.3 now supports the API call we need.

this will allow the cron job to run every minute now instead of every 10 mins, and the webpage should always be up to date and the time to forge should start working correctly again.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 18, 2014, 10:08:02 pm
ok got the accounting part redone to pull data from blockchain instead of that debug file.  this has sped things up considerably, so we are now back to running this cron job every minute, so the thing should have the latest block nearly all the time now.

also fixed the inbound leases reporting

readded back the forging timer since we can nearly always have the latest block displayed.  the forging timer calc kicks in every few seconds.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on November 21, 2014, 12:14:17 am
ok got the accounting part redone to pull data from blockchain instead of that debug file.  this has sped things up considerably, so we are now back to running this cron job every minute, so the thing should have the latest block nearly all the time now.

also fixed the inbound leases reporting

readded back the forging timer since we can nearly always have the latest block displayed.  the forging timer calc kicks in every few seconds.

Thank you forkedchain. Re-leasing now to your pool ;)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Klokan on November 21, 2014, 04:48:43 pm
ok got the accounting part redone to pull data from blockchain instead of that debug file.  this has sped things up considerably, so we are now back to running this cron job every minute, so the thing should have the latest block nearly all the time now.

also fixed the inbound leases reporting

readded back the forging timer since we can nearly always have the latest block displayed.  the forging timer calc kicks in every few seconds.

Thank you forkedchain. Re-leasing now to your pool ;)

Yes, everything works perfect now - thanx for your work and your pool, forkedchain! ;-)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 24, 2014, 05:57:30 pm
woohoo another forged block with an AE asset creation!
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on November 24, 2014, 06:47:11 pm
woohoo another forged block with an AE asset creation!

 :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on November 25, 2014, 07:45:17 pm
i just fixed the main page to where if you have a new lease inbound to take over for when your existing lease expires, the main page reports the lease expiration correctly.  As it sits now it never counted the 2nd lease, so the most it would ever report was 32767.

so now if you put in a lease for 32767 blocks and then put in another one for an additional 32767 to take over directly after the first one, the expires field will now correctly show 65534.

next ill add on the inbound leases page, the balance for that inbound account.

Edit:  ok that last part is now done, on the inbound leases page you see the balance as well
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 18, 2014, 02:27:34 pm
woohoo!  another asset generation block!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on December 21, 2014, 11:26:43 pm
woohoo!  another asset generation block!

This is going to get very interesting with MS release with fees of 25kNXT   :P ::)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 22, 2014, 08:34:29 pm
yeah we need to see if we can get more people in the pool!  increase our chances.  my guess is MS's wont be created very often
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: gaven on December 29, 2014, 01:49:49 pm
Hi, I Leased my NTX to your pool on 19/09/2014 09:58:16 (Transation ID 6559863430254348484) them send a message on 19/11/2014 19:15:11 (transation ID 659954331297249554) but I'm still not getting my earnings, is there something I missed? My NTX account ID is NXT-VLDC-YCAZ-5SBN-5AX7F, my numeric ID is 3933798559316298090

Please help me understand what I did wrong, Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 30, 2014, 05:37:40 am
Hi, I Leased my NTX to your pool on 19/09/2014 09:58:16 (Transation ID 6559863430254348484) them send a message on 19/11/2014 19:15:11 (transation ID 659954331297249554) but I'm still not getting my earnings, is there something I missed? My NTX account ID is NXT-VLDC-YCAZ-5SBN-5AX7F, my numeric ID is 3933798559316298090

Please help me understand what I did wrong, Thanks in advance.


your confirmed earnings are only 0.66014489 NXT.  you need to have more than 1.00000000NXT to get a distribution, since you are charged 1NXT for the transaction.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on January 10, 2015, 08:23:56 pm
This is going to get hot in 20 minutes...  :D
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 11, 2015, 04:29:13 am
I guess we had a nice little set of blocks for our pool...  but im confused, i thought to create a MS was going to cost 25000 NXT?

ETA: nevermind, I see how it works now, 25K for a 3 letter MS.  LOL did someone just buy XXX?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jacinto on January 11, 2015, 03:57:53 pm
Nice high fees blocks for us!  :D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: filchef on January 16, 2015, 05:47:38 pm
I leased my account 8741555535567987120 two days ago 14.01.2015 21:59:02 transaction ID 4359487043650588534 my wallet say leased out but I didn't see my account in the status page this is my first time I lease - in  my wallet -Your account effective balance is leased out starting from block 334519 until block 367286 - so now is block 334541
No problem I see my leased account also there is some Recent / Unconfirmed Earnings so everything lucking fine.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: mudshark79 on January 21, 2015, 12:10:55 pm
Why does it take so long (1440 blocks?) before leasing kicks in? With the limit on the lease time, doesn't that mean a reoccurring gap of about 1 day every now and then?  ???

Thanks for clarification and egards
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 22, 2015, 05:55:29 am
its a security mechanism, go ask in the account control section for a dev to give a more detailed answer.  you can resend a new lease at any time and your 2nd lease will kick in right after the old one expires so you dont lose out on the pool.

I believe, but not certain, that if you attempt to send a 3rd lease, while a 1st is in action, and the 2nd is pending,  it overwrites the parameters of the 2nd lease
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: mudshark79 on January 25, 2015, 03:41:28 pm
its a security mechanism, go ask in the account control section for a dev to give a more detailed answer.  you can resend a new lease at any time and your 2nd lease will kick in right after the old one expires so you dont lose out on the pool.

I believe, but not certain, that if you attempt to send a 3rd lease, while a 1st is in action, and the 2nd is pending,  it overwrites the parameters of the 2nd lease

Alright, thanks for clearing this up. Then I'm just gonna mark the date in my calendar, this sounds reasonable.  :)

So far my Earnings from the pool are significantly higher than what i had solo forging, but this pool estimation is based on nowadays Average Block-Fees which are great deal better than it was in the last 12 months solo forging. I expect stgh. like ~5% p.A. - does this sound realistic for you?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 26, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
dude I have no clue on the ROI calculations.  i just wrote this accounting system as a little personal challenge, and to contribute something to the nxt project.

look in the main status page every few days, it shows how many blocks till each accounts' lease expires.  when it turns red it means even if you submit a new lease immediately, you will still miss out on the pool.  so just submit a new one when you see it start getting close to 2000 and you should be good.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 27, 2015, 05:11:36 am
the pool account is currently forging but the accounting system is down as there are apparently some API changes with this 1.4.10 version of code.  Ill work on it when I can but for now, payouts are disabled.

EDIT:  ok all set, back up 100%; payouts should be working like everything else looks to be working.  it was a change in the getAccount API that used to return effectiveBalanceNXT at the very bottom, it got moved to the top and all lessors' effectiveBalanceNXT entrys got put in there so my code was bombing out.  I put in a last in there so my for loop could bail out after it found the right value.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Jean-Luc on January 27, 2015, 11:20:38 am
There is no change in the getAccount API, the order of values in the json response is not guaranteed to be always the same (except within a json array). It is a key value map, internally implemented by the json library as a java HashMap.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: NOFNXT on February 22, 2015, 09:45:24 am
I can't open your pool now ,what happened?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: TheCoinWizard on February 22, 2015, 02:47:07 pm
I can't open your pool now ,what happened?
::)
Website is indeed down 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: McFly on February 22, 2015, 04:24:27 pm
I can't open your pool now ,what happened?
::)
Website is indeed down 

same here - and it seems as if the pool isn't generating blocks today... 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: TheCoinWizard on February 22, 2015, 08:14:34 pm
I can't open your pool now ,what happened?
::)
Website is indeed down 

same here - and it seems as if the pool isn't generating blocks today...
:o not a single block in the last 500 blocks from them
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on February 23, 2015, 12:48:30 am
Hi VPS host is likely having issues. Assuming even the worst case scenario of a hack you can take comfort that your entire NXT balance won't be stolen at least.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on February 23, 2015, 11:20:29 am
forkedchain, any news on what is going on??
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on February 23, 2015, 02:19:42 pm
working on it now
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on February 23, 2015, 02:25:17 pm
looks like you fixed it...thanks!
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on February 23, 2015, 02:47:17 pm
well its now go thte latest blockchain and is now forging, but the accounting subsystem is still catching up, will be a few mins longer before all the stats are correct
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on February 23, 2015, 03:02:49 pm
ok everythings back to normal.  I did get messages about my vps provider doing some migration and downtime, guess it  forced the nxt client out on its own fork for a bit, and i was too distracted to pay attention (just got back to US from honeymoon in Barcelona, behind in work, behind in masters program, etc etc)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on February 23, 2015, 03:46:51 pm
Congrats on the marriage! I wish you the best of luck and thanks for all the work you do for the NXT community!
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on February 24, 2015, 05:27:30 pm
All, Has anyone sent an AM payment request but never got the payout?  I just got a PM of 1 person this happened to very recently.  They provided me the TX ID used the send the AM in and I was able to research to see what happened.

As you probably know, The pool doesnt process payments until the AM has 1440 confirmations, and what happened was the AM was sent before the pool was on the fork while I was on vacation.  And when it hit 1440 confirmations the pool sent the payment but since the pool was on a fork the payment never got sent to the main blockchain.

After determining this it was trivial to find his AM in my database and to sum up what I owed, and to send a manual payout.

So if this has happened to anyone else, please PM me your TX ID.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: filchef on March 02, 2015, 08:30:31 am
After hack probably (I did not check long time)  my account missing in the list - 8741555535567987120
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: achim on March 02, 2015, 08:37:09 am
After hack probably (I did not check long time)  my account missing in the list - 8741555535567987120

Looks more like your lease expired.
You leased your balance on the 14.01. for 32767 blocks. 37500 blocks have past since.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: filchef on March 02, 2015, 08:44:49 am
yes expired now I see
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: qq2536007339 on April 16, 2015, 02:12:02 am
Seems like website down.

I suggest add a token withdraw option,so I don't need send you a message,save 1 NXT, :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on April 23, 2015, 01:15:22 pm
i wont be adding any input options at all.  i dont want to allow any risk at all that comes with taking input from users, too much of a hacker risk.

i dont believe the site is necessarily down, back on Apr 15 when you posted, it seemed to be working ok yesterday when I upgraded to 1.4.17 but now it seems forging fee tracking isnt reporting correctly, ill investigate today.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Daedelus on April 23, 2015, 05:57:54 pm
There was fix in 1.4.17 that fixed a bug. Someone is still trying to exploit the bug in the stragglers that haven't updated.


Update to 1.4.17 NOW, to support the network.


https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-17/

Spread the word, apologies if you already updated  ;D
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on April 23, 2015, 10:45:01 pm
ok all should be working now, and yes server is on 1.4.17
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Bud on May 05, 2015, 12:33:16 pm
I got in but it wouldn't let me go while I am Forging this time.  I only put 28800 in but I think it was to much.  It said it will join the pool soon.  I am about ready to start again.  Sorry to be a pain but everything is new to me.  In fact I think this is my first post here on this forum.  I got it figured out.  I will not need much help and then I will be able to help others myself.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: achim on May 07, 2015, 10:37:17 am
I got in but it wouldn't let me go while I am Forging this time.  I only put 28800 in but I think it was to much.  It said it will join the pool soon.  I am about ready to start again.  Sorry to be a pain but everything is new to me.  In fact I think this is my first post here on this forum.  I got it figured out.  I will not need much help and then I will be able to help others myself.

Would you mind telling us your NXT address? (you can see it in the top left corner when logged into the client)

I'm not sure if I understand what your problem is. Did you send your coins to the forging pool, or did you "lease" your balance?
If the second, then you should be able to do anything with your 29k coins, as you still control them.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: qq2536007339 on June 04, 2015, 01:37:55 am
I just find out your server still run on 1.4.17,what the hell? Update now or you will lose many forging block after 445000,or maybe can't forging at all.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 30, 2015, 02:28:43 pm
I noticed that the block explorer we used to use called blocks.nxtcrypto.org  has moved or gone down.  not sure where it moved to but I did find another block explorer to use for hyperlinks in the pool reporting that you see on the webpage; its all working again.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on June 30, 2015, 04:23:02 pm
I noticed that the block explorer we used to use called blocks.nxtcrypto.org  has moved or gone down.  not sure where it moved to but I did find another block explorer to use for hyperlinks in the pool reporting that you see on the webpage; its all working again.

Great!
Thanks for the update and deliver such a great forging pool.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 15, 2015, 04:46:57 pm
all the domain needs to be renewed, but you can still reach the data here:  http://198.199.95.15/
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: farl4bit on December 15, 2015, 06:44:51 pm
all the domain needs to be renewed, but you can still reach the data here:  http://198.199.95.15/

Great to hear from you again!  :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: naska23 on January 03, 2016, 11:02:51 am
Doesn't work   >:(
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 03, 2016, 09:01:12 pm
What happened to the pool's web address?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 06, 2016, 08:05:45 pm
not sure what happened ghere... i renewed the domain and it was woking again, but DNS still appears to be messed up.
regardless of if the page is up or not, the pool is still operating and generating blocks - the web piece is just the reporting

its currently reachable via http://198.199.95.15/pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

ETA:  ok after the renewal they required me to validate the email address.  i had not done that so they had eventually suspended the dns.  whatever, it all should start working again on http://pool.nxtcrypto.org again sometime soon
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 12, 2016, 12:09:54 pm
Thanks for fixing it! :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: xcn on January 23, 2016, 12:35:16 pm
Forkedchain, it seems like you're on a fork
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/biggest-nxt-forging-pool-is-on-fork/
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 23, 2016, 10:17:38 pm
ok working on this now...
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 23, 2016, 10:23:04 pm
ok found the issue, im on a fork due to my old version.... I got warning of newer version changing up API so didnt want to upgrade.  ill upgrade now
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: farl4bit on January 23, 2016, 10:33:37 pm
Good job.  :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 23, 2016, 11:45:54 pm
ok the pool is forging again, reporting/accounting system isnt currently up (erporting correctly), working on that now, but at least the pool is forging now
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 24, 2016, 03:24:42 am
ok i think i got the reporting all working correctly.  please let me know if somethings not right but believe i resolved those api differences between 1.5.x and 1.7.x
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on February 24, 2016, 12:46:20 am
ok i think i got the reporting all working correctly.  please let me know if somethings not right but believe i resolved those api differences between 1.5.x and 1.7.x

Great service.
Thanks forkedchain.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: OrgiOrg on April 04, 2016, 12:36:52 pm
could you offer something like tha (a FIMK pool):

https://forum.fimk.fi/index.php?topic=598.45
Quote
I have added new features to the pool software!  I've tested these to the best of my ability, but a test environment can never replicate the live system.  Please PM me or post here any issues you may have with these new features.

Pool Settings
The pool software can accept messages sent via the FIMK network and will adjust the pool settings accordingly.

To adjust the settings, send a message on the FIMK network to the pool address above and include one of the following settings below. All messages sent to pool will send a response message indicating your message was received and processed.

SETTINGS
Pool will respond with message listing the pool settings for you account

AUTO PAY ON
Turn on lease end payouts. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

AUTO PAY OFF
Turn off lease end payouts. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

EMAIL yourEmail@email.com
Set an email address associated with your account.

REMINDER ON
Turn on lease end reminder emails. This feature requires an email to be linked to your account. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

REMINDER OFF
Turn off lease end payouts. This feature requires an email to be linked to your account. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: OrgiOrg on May 14, 2016, 09:38:26 am
bump!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: MCoin on May 21, 2016, 01:47:35 am
Thank you for continuing to run this pool for NXT.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Skyflex on June 27, 2016, 10:32:19 am
@forkedchain
I sent them a pm. please answer me and tell me how to proceed

thx
skyflex
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 29, 2016, 03:55:11 pm
skyflex, i got you all fixed up, please consider leasing to the pool!
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 29, 2016, 03:56:08 pm
could you offer something like tha (a FIMK pool):

https://forum.fimk.fi/index.php?topic=598.45
Quote
I have added new features to the pool software!  I've tested these to the best of my ability, but a test environment can never replicate the live system.  Please PM me or post here any issues you may have with these new features.

Pool Settings
The pool software can accept messages sent via the FIMK network and will adjust the pool settings accordingly.

To adjust the settings, send a message on the FIMK network to the pool address above and include one of the following settings below. All messages sent to pool will send a response message indicating your message was received and processed.

SETTINGS
Pool will respond with message listing the pool settings for you account

AUTO PAY ON
Turn on lease end payouts. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

AUTO PAY OFF
Turn off lease end payouts. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

EMAIL yourEmail@email.com
Set an email address associated with your account.

REMINDER ON
Turn on lease end reminder emails. This feature requires an email to be linked to your account. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

REMINDER OFF
Turn off lease end payouts. This feature requires an email to be linked to your account. The new setting will take effect the next time you lease your balance to the pool.

unfortunately not, just dont have time for that, any work i do next will be for an ardor pool
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on July 16, 2016, 04:03:44 pm
Speaking of Ardor, if we lease our balance to your pool now will you distribute Ardor tokens, or?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: MadCow on October 18, 2016, 11:22:43 pm
Looks like forging pool NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 is on a fork, any way to contact the operator?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ikill4food2 on October 20, 2016, 08:19:25 am
Looks like forging pool NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 is on a fork, any way to contact the operator?


 You are correct - everything at a stand still, messages are not being responded to with payouts for some days now.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lurker10 on October 20, 2016, 08:35:38 am
forkedchain, Last activity July 26, 2016, hope he's ok.
Users who forge not for profit, consider leasing your balances to the Lucky node project account in my signature. All forging proceeds are used as rewards to node operators.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ikill4food2 on October 20, 2016, 08:41:03 am
forkedchain, Last activity July 26, 2016, hope he's ok.
Users who forge not for profit, consider leasing your balances to the Lucky node project account in my signature. All forging proceeds are used as rewards to node operators.

 Oh my, I was just checking other threads and found where this happened before in January and forkedchain fixed. I hope he is alright.

 Is there anyway I can stop the balance leasing I sent that has not reached 1440 confirms yet ? I only set lease for 44k blocks - 30 days or so ... This means I will have to wait for lease to expire and nothing I can do to stop, correct?

 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lurker10 on October 20, 2016, 08:43:27 am
forkedchain, Last activity July 26, 2016, hope he's ok.
Users who forge not for profit, consider leasing your balances to the Lucky node project account in my signature. All forging proceeds are used as rewards to node operators.

 Oh my, I was just checking other threads and found where this happened before in January and forkedchain fixed. I hope he is alright.

 Is there anyway I can stop the balance leasing I sent that has not reached 1440 confirms yet ? I only set lease for 44k blocks - 30 days or so ... This means I will have to wait for lease to expire and nothing I can do to stop, correct?

 

The current lease will stay until it expires in 30 days per your chosen limit or until you re-lease it to another account. Re-lease will override the previous lease.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: farl4bit on October 20, 2016, 09:00:44 am
forkedchain, Last activity July 26, 2016, hope he's ok.
Users who forge not for profit, consider leasing your balances to the Lucky node project account in my signature. All forging proceeds are used as rewards to node operators.

I think that will be better to support Nxt as a whole. Too bad forkedchain hasen't been around anymore.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Brangdon on October 23, 2016, 10:24:22 am
Re-lease will override the previous lease.
No, it won't. A re-lease will be applied when the current lease expires. The only way to obviate a lease is to empty the account. You can create a new account, transfer the balance, and make a new lease from there. The old lease will continue but since the old account has a zero balance, the old lessor doesn't benefit.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lurker10 on October 23, 2016, 11:49:49 am
Re-lease will override the previous lease.
No, it won't. A re-lease will be applied when the current lease expires. The only way to obviate a lease is to empty the account. You can create a new account, transfer the balance, and make a new lease from there. The old lease will continue but since the old account has a zero balance, the old lessor doesn't benefit.

Oh. Thanks for correcting me, I didn't know it works like this.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: miguel1 on October 24, 2016, 04:25:18 pm
Hello you continue forging? what is the way to withdraw my reward?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Snowsky on October 24, 2016, 10:18:22 pm
Hello you continue forging? what is the way to withdraw my reward?

You can withdraw your reward by sending a message to the pool. And after 1440 confirmations to this message, you get your reward minus the transaction fee.

Does anyone know any other good forging pool?
I've found forgenxt.com and consider to participate to them, but they do not seem very strong at the moment.
Any alternatives?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ikill4food2 on October 25, 2016, 09:02:15 am

 This leasing pool NXTCrypto.org needs maintenance, it is not responding to messages requesting rewards. We are all worried about the admin of this leasing pool known as 'forkedchain' , he has not logged in since July of this year. Forkedchain is an extremely active Developer and contributing member of the NXT/ARDOR community.

 Without his administration of NXTCrypto.org - the leasing pool has no future. I am not aware of any other rewards type leasing pools - there are many here to join that allows your rewards to be donated to the NXT Foundation.

 I would have leased my forging power to the others had I known beforehand that this pool was stalled. Must wait till lease expires now :( - waste of time and forging power.

 
 
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lurker10 on October 25, 2016, 10:12:59 am

 This leasing pool NXTCrypto.org needs maintenance, it is not responding to messages requesting rewards. We are all worried about the admin of this leasing pool known as 'forkedchain' , he has not logged in since July of this year. Forkedchain is an extremely active Developer and contributing member of the NXT/ARDOR community.

 Without his administration of NXTCrypto.org - the leasing pool has no future. I am not aware of any other rewards type leasing pools - there are many here to join that allows your rewards to be donated to the NXT Foundation.

 I would have leased my forging power to the others had I known beforehand that this pool was stalled. Must wait till lease expires now :( - waste of time and forging power.

 
 

As suggested by Brangdon.
You can create a new account, transfer the balance, and make a new lease from there.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 30, 2016, 08:04:36 pm
sorry all - with the elections and my masters program ive been slammed - looking at this now.  i guess it forked at 100000 due to my old ver.  im upgrading now, and will delete all forked blocks from DB, should be back running sometime today.

Edit:  ok its REALLY SLOW to go through the blockchain starting at 1000000 and process all the blocks.  this will take some number of hours.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 31, 2016, 01:43:40 am
ok its back running again.  sorry buy if anyone sent an AM to get balance youll need to resend it

there are some accounts missing from CONFIRMED EARLING page - ill get them added this week.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ikill4food2 on October 31, 2016, 02:48:53 pm
ok its back running again.  sorry buy if anyone sent an AM to get balance youll need to resend it

there are some accounts missing from CONFIRMED EARLING page - ill get them added this week.


 Great to hear from you ... glad your ok ... Thank you for fixing everything - many folks here appreciate your hard work!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: GDiC on December 16, 2016, 08:51:30 pm
nxtcrypto.org is closed?

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Shivoreun on December 20, 2016, 01:01:45 pm
nxtcrypto.org is closed?
See here (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1020.msg205253#msg205253)...
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 21, 2016, 01:50:57 am
hi all, the pool is still forging, just the website hostname is gone.  in a few mins the new link should work:   http://198.199.95.15
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: ikill4food2 on February 22, 2017, 08:16:34 am


 Hello!

 Pool looks to be stalled, no blocks found or activity for days.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: JohnHolmes on February 26, 2017, 07:27:43 pm


 Hello!

 Pool looks to be stalled, no blocks found or activity for days.

Looks like the forging pool is still down, any way to contact the operator?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: silverblade07 on March 02, 2017, 05:31:04 pm


 Hello!

 Pool looks to be stalled, no blocks found or activity for days.

Looks like the forging pool is still down, any way to contact the operator?

As per the previous posts the server should be back up and running , the address provided is 198.199.95.15.

I have checked with peerexplorer and see that the situation does not seem to be good.
https://www.peerexplorer.com/info?node=198.199.95.15


#   ISP   Address   Resolved ip   Version   Weight   Last Seen   Location
176   Digital Ocean Inc.   198.199.95.15   198.199.95.15   1.7.5   0   5 minutes ago   United States

I would really love to see a proper forging pool setup, at least till ardor comes out completely and then we can think of bundlers etc. For now below are my node details and i would like o know if there is a script or an easy way to run a forging pool. Since I have a node I would be able to put it up for the task. Also my node has been up for more than few months.

#   ISP   Address   Resolved ip   Version   Weight   Last Seen   Location
102   Vultr Holdings LLC   45.32.149.239 *CORS, *OpenAPI, *Archival   45.32.149.239   1.11.2   2264   5 minutes ago   United States

P.S I need to update the NRS to 1.11.3 , for some strange reason I was not getting lucky node lotteries and suddenly got few so I will hold on to 1.11.2 for at least next few weeks.

https://www.peerexplorer.com/info?node=45.32.149.239
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on March 03, 2017, 02:36:12 am
oops sorry all.  the pages reporting header at top hasnt indicated anything was wrong.  ill take a look and this will be fixed by tomorrow
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: silverblade07 on March 03, 2017, 03:49:56 pm
As of now the node seems to be down on 198.199.95.15:7876 .

I would like to know few more things.

1> On 198.199.95.15 it says "Current active pooled forging power is 16556904". Whereas https://mynxt.info/account/1460178482 says "Forging Power   15,187,968 NXT" there seems to be some conflict.

2>Will it be viable and safe to forge with you?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on March 03, 2017, 05:27:05 pm
ok all my apologies - all is back 100%

not sure what went wrong.  in the past whenever there was an issue it was readily apparent to me by that first set of info on the status page.  ill start looking at the leasing stats in the chart below that.

as to silverblades question, the info you were looking at was the last state before I shut down the service to get things back running.  it matches now.  yes its safe, people have always gotten their payments, the pool runs automatically to handle payments when it detects someone sent it an AM
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: TheCoinWizard on March 03, 2017, 08:30:08 pm
Thanks forkedchain,

the node seems to be forging again, good job.

The website is still offline...
http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/ (http://pool.nxtcrypto.org/)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on March 03, 2017, 09:43:46 pm
theres no longer any DNS, we use http://198.199.95.15
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on April 15, 2017, 08:56:05 pm
all - ive had to shut down the server for maintenance.  will most likely come up with a different IP address.

its still forging now though
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on April 16, 2017, 12:50:03 am
ok everyone, its back up on a different VPS:

http://198.211.103.222/status.php (http://198.211.103.222/status.php)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on April 26, 2017, 03:30:56 am
Is this pool still working? I sent a balance lease 158 blocks ago but it's not showing up on the incoming leases page.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on April 26, 2017, 11:43:25 pm
Any news on this?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on April 28, 2017, 10:01:04 am
Well shit this sucks, looks like forkedchain is not responding and neither is anyone else on this thread so I just leased my balance into the void lol.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: lurker10 on April 28, 2017, 10:18:50 am
Users who forge not for profit, consider leasing your balances to the Lucky node project account in my signature. All forging proceeds are used as rewards to node operators.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on April 29, 2017, 09:16:56 pm
sorry guys was out on vacation for a week.  ill take a look
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on April 30, 2017, 12:20:04 am
sorry guys was out on vacation for a week.  ill take a look

Hey welcome back! :)

It's working now. I see my account # in the active leasing tab.

Thanks !
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: CommanderVenus on June 02, 2017, 10:42:33 am
Whats going on with this pool?

These pages are not working for me.

pool.nxtcrypto.org/status.php

pool.nxtcrypto.org/confirmedearnings.php
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 03, 2017, 03:18:45 am
about a month ago, I posted that Ive moved to a new IP address on a different VPS.  No more DNS, so use this link to see the pool info:

http://198.211.103.222/status.php
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 03, 2017, 03:21:29 am
All - it looks like 2 weeks ago, the pool was the recipient of a block with 25,000 NXT in fees!
https://mynxt.info/block/18351043879617680341

It appears it was a MS coin creation.
https://mynxt.info/transaction/6944426027562631621

WOOHOO!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: farl4bit on June 03, 2017, 07:43:39 am
Wow! Big blocks are beautiful! Big blocks are beautiful!  ;D
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 08, 2017, 03:38:46 am
and another update, I have been fooling around with the H2 sql query functionality of the NRS client:

Code: [Select]
> select sum(amount) from transaction where SENDER_ID = 1460178482;
SUM(AMOUNT)
37248477987630
(1 row, 2 ms)

Thats 372484.77987630 NXT the pool has paid out so far
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: kbk00 on June 16, 2017, 05:02:00 pm
Hey forked, is there any help with the pool that you might need?  Is there any benefit to the exosystem to get another pool going?  I might be interested.  I have access to a highly available server cluster so uptime would be good.


As far as assisting you, if you wanted to get a domain, i can host DNS if that would solve the prob on your side.  I have a few free DNS pointers left on my old zoneedit.com account from probably 10 years ago. 
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on June 19, 2017, 05:40:47 pm
thanks, but im spending all my time now on dev for a new system that will work on Ardor.  im completely redoing everything about everything -  instead of the mess of cron, perl, mysql, and php, itll be in java with its own h2 database, and probably jetty and JSP.  at some point id like to set it up as a plugin to NRS.

ill most likely keep this new one private for some time after ardor launch, since ive spent so much effort on it.

I did make the existing one public, some time ago, but it is such a convoluted mess how it worked that no one else ever got it to work.  im actually embarassed to an extent of the disarray that it operates in.  i dont even think the stuff I made public works anymore, there were some API changes made that caused me to have to redo some things.

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 04, 2017, 01:44:31 am
All,  im pleased to announce that the Ardor pool will be ready at genesis block.  The site is http://theardorpool.dynu.net and its currently running on the testnet blockchain.  Ive got everything completed except payouts programming logic.

I did the backend in java and h2,and the frontend in java servlets.  This is probably thousands of times more efficient than the old way I did it, with perl and mysql, and php frontend, and having the backend checking every single transaction of every single block that came in.

Also, with the new pool, only 720 blocks will be required for earnings to be classified as "confirmed".  And payout AMs wont need any number of confirmations, they will be immediate.

Im doing the payout part here last since it will be much more different - payout AMs have to be on the IGNIS chain, and those deal with bundlers and minimum rates, etc and so on.  So ill need to figure out the best way to handle it.  But ive got all this done now, the rest wont take much longer, will be 100% ready for production genesis.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Sebastien256 on July 04, 2017, 12:21:39 pm
Nice to know and good work!

Could you make a leasing transaction to have the same effect as an AM transaction for the payout? That would be more optimal for the pool users and reduce the fees.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 04, 2017, 01:06:17 pm
im not quite sure what you mean?  do you mean if someone sends a new lease, then the pool should detect that and that should trigger the payoff?

thats interesting, I could probably work that in at some point in the near future.  maybe not by genesis though but its a good idea, i like it.

actually with IGNIS messages, fees should be very low.  i can prob just do payouts at the end of each lease period.  and continue to accept AMs as payment requests as well.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Sebastien256 on July 04, 2017, 08:30:44 pm
im not quite sure what you mean?  do you mean if someone sends a new lease, then the pool should detect that and that should trigger the payoff?

This is exactly what I mean.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 05, 2017, 02:22:55 pm
ok i got it.  sounds like something I will try to get done.  heres the plan

when a user sends the lease out transaction, if they attach a message to the lease transaction where the message just includes a number, then if at the end of this *particular* lease period (and that particular lease period only), if they have that much Ardor to be paid after fees, then the pool will automatically send those earnings.

no promised yet, let me chew on this.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Sebastien256 on July 05, 2017, 10:42:54 pm
^^ This would be neat.

Could also add that if the number attached is 0, then the pool should pay all what is due at the end of the lease.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on July 06, 2017, 03:01:23 am
well, after looking into it, i don think itll be possible any time soon.  this will be VERY tricky.

its because Ardor fees are dynamic.  they change.  not sure why/when/what/how, but they do change around, even on main chain.  I think for now the best way is to continue to do it the same way.  at least with Ardor payouts from the pool, the IGNIS message fees will probably be very low.  What Ive done is provide the pool the ability to show what the current min fee is at any given time.  people can get this information and when the fee for the pool to transfer their Ardor to them is to their liking, they can send an IGNIS message (once again, this fee is very low) to the pool.  The new Ardor pool will immed send payouts.  no more waiting 1440 blocks!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: box1413 on August 09, 2017, 08:08:44 pm
is the nxt forging pool still up? i cant find any info on where to lease coins?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 10, 2017, 02:13:58 am
yes its still running.

http://198.211.103.222/status.php

just lease to NXT-K5KL-23DJ-3XLK-22222 from your NRS client, and after 1440 blocks, youll show up in the list and start earning.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: chesslover on August 10, 2017, 07:35:47 am
Hello,

I have finished my lease around a week back; how do I get my rewards? (in the first place how do I know if I have had any?)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 10, 2017, 01:12:33 pm
http://198.211.103.222/confirmedearnings.php  look for your numeric account in that list, and it will tell you how much youve earned.

to requrest a payout, whatever earnings minus 1NXT fee for transfer will be sent to you if you sent an AM to the pool.  after AM is received by pool your payout comes in 1440 seconds.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: chesslover on August 10, 2017, 05:14:07 pm
http://198.211.103.222/confirmedearnings.php  look for your numeric account in that list, and it will tell you how much youve earned.

to requrest a payout, whatever earnings minus 1NXT fee for transfer will be sent to you if you sent an AM to the pool.  after AM is received by pool your payout comes in 1440 seconds.

Thanks for the link, I earned less than 1 NXT, and after my lease expired I immediately sent a message (encrypted), but because I earned less than 1 NXT and minus 1 NXT is negative, the transaction will never be sent?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on August 10, 2017, 08:20:23 pm
right.  most people just lease for 65556 blocks repeatedly.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on October 30, 2017, 04:12:53 am
When will you shut down this pool? Reason I'm asking is to decide whether it's worth it to continue leasing my balance to this pool.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on October 31, 2017, 12:12:13 am
probably sometime in Jan
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on October 31, 2017, 05:25:29 am
probably sometime in Jan

Ah ok. Thanks for the info. It should be safe to continue leasing to your pool. If I  understand things correctly it should not matter to the Ignis snapshot process if our balance is leased or not.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on December 31, 2017, 09:20:30 am
Hey forkedchain, do you still plan on launching an Ardor forging pool in the coming year?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 31, 2017, 08:04:23 pm
YES! it will be forging at 0000utc

I came here to create a new topic on it, and saw your question first.  check back in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on December 31, 2017, 10:45:28 pm
YES! it will be forging at 0000utc

I came here to create a new topic on it, and saw your question first.  check back in a few minutes.

Cool, just found your new topic. I shall be leasing my balance as soon as the genesis block is forged.

I'm assuming the NXT pool will be shutdown soon? Or?
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on December 31, 2017, 11:30:07 pm
i will shut it down soon - people should start withdrawing
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: AnotherSad0 on January 01, 2018, 10:48:31 pm
I have 10k nxt I want to stake, do you close your pool for good? If so, could you recommend any other pool? Every info for nxt I find online is years old

I just joined your ardr pool btw.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: noitev on January 02, 2018, 12:42:01 am
I leased a few million nxt to you a while ago. is there any way to withdraw my ignis and ardor created from my 72 nxt you have? acct is NXT-VVGF-H4GV-WA82-EJUQW
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 02, 2018, 01:26:48 am
I leased a few million nxt to you a while ago. is there any way to withdraw my ignis and ardor created from my 72 nxt you have? acct is NXT-VVGF-H4GV-WA82-EJUQW

The leasing process does not debit your account balance so the amount of Ardor and Ignis you have should not have been affected by you leasing your account balance. To withdraw your forged NXT balance send a message to the pool's NXT address before he closes the pool down.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 02, 2018, 01:34:44 am
I have 10k nxt I want to stake, do you close your pool for good? If so, could you recommend any other pool? Every info for nxt I find online is years old

I just joined your ardr pool btw.

I find myself in the same situation. I don't want to dump my NXT and I also would prefer if these coins were "working" instead of just sitting dormant.

I am not sure about the level of technical competency required to operate the NXT forging pool, but I'd be willing to pay for a Linode VPS to continue the pool's life. I have a moderate level of Linux admin experience.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: Nxter on January 02, 2018, 08:16:08 pm
same here. I am still hodling nxt and leasing to your pool!
is there any chance that you do not shut down the pool?
That would be nice.  :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 02, 2018, 10:01:38 pm
ok i will consider trying to maintain it.  id have to implement some kind of fee though, maybe 3% like im planning for the ardor pool
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 03, 2018, 12:17:46 am
ok i will consider trying to maintain it.  id have to implement some kind of fee though, maybe 3% like im planning for the ardor pool

I for one would be fine with a fee - it seems only fair to reward you for your service. Also may I suggest creating a DNS subdomain entry on your tezzigator.com domain for the NXT pool - something like nxtpool.tezzigator.com :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: noitev on January 03, 2018, 08:19:02 pm
I leased a few million nxt to you a while ago. is there any way to withdraw my ignis and ardor created from my 72 nxt you have? acct is NXT-VVGF-H4GV-WA82-EJUQW

The leasing process does not debit your account balance so the amount of Ardor and Ignis you have should not have been affected by you leasing your account balance. To withdraw your forged NXT balance send a message to the pool's NXT address before he closes the pool down.

I'm saying the fees in his account generated ardor and ignis. 74 ardor and 37 ignis
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 04, 2018, 12:23:28 am
im sorry - i cannot possibly go through and calculate all that for everyone.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: noitev on January 04, 2018, 06:41:34 pm
im sorry - i cannot possibly go through and calculate all that for everyone.

Seems like the pool fee is like 80% for me then :/
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 07, 2018, 12:00:27 am
Hey forkedchain, did you decide if you want to keep this NXT pool alive? Reason I'm asking is I'm considering leasing again. For now I'm forging solo and surprisingly I've forged 6 blocks  ;D
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 07, 2018, 07:37:51 pm
ill see if i can move it over to the same VPS that runs the ardor pool.  maybe the VPS will be able to handle both without detrimental affect to both apps.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 07, 2018, 09:34:45 pm
ill see if i can move it over to the same VPS that runs the ardor pool.  maybe the VPS will be able to handle both without detrimental affect to both apps.

Ok, no worries, giver it your best and if it not going to be possible it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 07, 2018, 11:16:19 pm
ok go ahead and lease - if i will take it down it wont be anytime soon
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: cwalker on January 08, 2018, 12:49:07 am
is there an NXT /Forging/Leasing pool? just ask cause I've recently started forging for 10 days and notice that the accounts getting accredited for the forging are all lease accounts with roughly 20mil nxt in them. and there receiving roughly 20-40nxt an hour. and definitely would like to get in on that percentage.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 09, 2018, 02:45:48 pm
ok go ahead and lease - if i will take it down it wont be anytime soon

Are the  stats broken at the moment? I don't see my lease active even though the NXT client says the balance is leased out.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 13, 2018, 08:00:02 am
Any news on fixing the NXT pool's stats?  :)
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 14, 2018, 05:24:44 pm
ive got it disabled while im migrating it to the new system.  this may take some time but its still forging.  thoughits not got much balance to it
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on January 14, 2018, 08:00:04 pm
Ah I see :\ looks like NXT is definitely going to slowly fade away. I guess there isn't much point to keeping the pool going if people aren't contributing their forging power to it.

Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on January 31, 2018, 09:57:32 pm
all,  Ive about got the NXT pool's accounting system all set and moved to the new server.  (its been forging all along though)  should be just a few more days.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on February 12, 2018, 11:37:17 pm
All,  I have the NXT pool at https://ardorpool.tezzigator.com/NXTWallet/Status

Would be nice for somone to try to do a withdraw
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on February 13, 2018, 01:11:45 am
I've got ~14000 blocks left, once the lease expires I will for sure do a withdrawal.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: allinvain on March 04, 2018, 09:05:47 am
BTW, withdrawal works.
Title: Re: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool ~~now processing AMs for withdrawals~~
Post by: forkedchain on March 06, 2018, 01:27:38 am
awesomesauce! thanks!
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: forkedchain on August 25, 2018, 11:58:28 pm
Effective immediately, we are ceasing operations on XNT forging pool
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: forkedchain on August 26, 2018, 12:05:08 am
Please request withdraw now, ill be shutting down the server soon
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: czhang on August 26, 2018, 01:07:16 pm
Nxt China Forging Pool:NXT-WTMQ-VMKW-WS4Q-A7S8L
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: allinvain on August 27, 2018, 07:10:01 am
Please request withdraw now, ill be shutting down the server soon

Can you at least run the pool until all leases expire?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: apenzl on August 27, 2018, 09:37:57 am
Hey forkedchain, I am sorry to hear that.

Are you closing down only the Nxt pool or the Ardor pool as well?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: allinvain on August 27, 2018, 10:43:50 am
Hey forkedchain, I am sorry to hear that.

Are you closing down only the Nxt pool or the Ardor pool as well?

both..
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: fz on August 27, 2018, 11:16:57 am
I hope all the NXT supporters can continue to participate in forging, although the price of NXT is very low, but NXT forging should not stop. I hope all of us can do something for NXT, forging is the first step.
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: apenzl on August 27, 2018, 01:33:42 pm
Hey forkedchain, I am sorry to hear that.

Are you closing down only the Nxt pool or the Ardor pool as well?

both..

I see....  :-[
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=15129.msg243204#msg243204
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: farl4bit on November 01, 2018, 10:02:25 am
Sad to hear that you are ceasing operations. What's the reason? And are there any other options?
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: Jose on November 04, 2018, 09:00:43 am
Some other options:

Bitswift's Ardor forging pool - profits are distributed among leasers, check conditions:
https://bitswift.wiki/index.php/LZLZ_Forging_Pool

Cryptosolar's Ardor forging pool - Profits go to charity:
https://ardor.rocks/groups/community/forum/topic/forging-for-charity/#post-9488

Nxter's Nxt/Ardor forging pool [alias ‘nxterpool’] - profits are kept by Nxter to help supporting the magazine:
Nxt address > NXT-NYJW-6M4F-6LG2-76FR5
Ardor address > ARDOR-NYJW-6M4F-6LG2-76FR5

...and maybe there are some more that I don't know of
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: Snowsky on November 10, 2018, 09:18:37 am
Sad to hear that you are ceasing operations. What's the reason? And are there any other options?

ardorpool.org  (http://ardorpool.org)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: allinvain on December 20, 2018, 04:27:01 am
Does anyone have any contact info fro the guy that runs ardorpool.org. I had to move the funds from the forging account registered with the pool and I don't meet the minimum auto-withdrawal limit by 2 ardor and I'm kind of screwed and it seems the coins will be stuck with the pool forever. This does not seem fair and it sucks that the site has no way to contact the admin.

Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: Snowsky on December 20, 2018, 09:44:09 pm
Does anyone have any contact info fro the guy that runs ardorpool.org. I had to move the funds from the forging account registered with the pool and I don't meet the minimum auto-withdrawal limit by 2 ardor and I'm kind of screwed and it seems the coins will be stuck with the pool forever. This does not seem fair and it sucks that the site has no way to contact the admin.

I am the admin of ardorpool.org.
Also the pool has it's own thread:
https://nxtforum.org/leasing-pools/ardorpool-org-ardor-forging-pool/

Please send me a pm on this board with your adresses. We will find a solution  :)
Title: Re: NXTCrypto.org leased forging pool - - CEASING OPERATIONS
Post by: allinvain on December 20, 2018, 10:56:59 pm
Thanks man, sent you a PM!
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