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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2014, 08:21:05 pm »

I'm looking forward to launch my martingale bot...

Me too  :)  Hope James has the spare time to launch
hash will have the time to implement

The instaDICE instantiation is an equal partnership between hash and Privatebet and I am sure he will do a fantastic job to make the best decentralized dice for all of SuperNET.

Once I understand the cryptocool algo this is possibly big improvement in all decentralized games of chance and I will make an API for the SuperNET to be able to use this.

So, people can invest in just the instaDICE asset to get 100% concentration in the proven satoshidice market.
Privatebet will own 50% of instaDICE and utilize the provable random algo for all its games of chance casino games. Unfortunately, I am a bit busy for now, so the timeframe for such casino games is not for some time. However, I am definitely open to some partnerships with anybody that is able to make nice GUI and gameplay. So, this way it is minimizing the time needed for me and maximizing the available casino games.

If you are a casino game vendor, we can do some deal. PM me with what game you have, preferably with screenshots. and we can see about whether to make a shared asset with Privatebet. So I am seeing assets like instaPoker, instaTBD, ... that is encapsulating a single genre of game, owned between Privatebet and whoever is coding the GUI and game logic. I know I am lazy about this and I only implement the easy stuff, but at least I can offer SuperNET crossmarketing, so I hope for the strongest applicants.

Please contact whale for the negotiating and noashh for the showing your fantastic GUI. If they are happy, then I will take a deeper look.

Thanks! I hope that by decentralizing the development of Privatebet casino, this is making many devs large money and having the collection of best implementations in all the standard casino categories. Of course, any new original gaming genre is also a good thing.

James

P.S. yes, I know, even more complications about the assets owning assets owning assets. I am making asset connections similar to software hierarchy, so this is just what I do. I hear some people are finally going to make a GUI to understand my asset connections, so maybe it is clearer the logic for the structure. It is just an intuitive thing for me for placing this asset here, that asset there, bind them with some shared ownership or maybe a subsidiary. Please dont ask me for whitepaper or GUI, the "source code" is on the blockchain anyway :)

Thanks James, I suggest a "James Asset Tree"  :)   
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2014, 11:57:33 pm »

I'm looking forward to launch my martingale bot...

Me too  :)  Hope James has the spare time to launch
hash will have the time to implement

The instaDICE instantiation is an equal partnership between hash and Privatebet and I am sure he will do a fantastic job to make the best decentralized dice for all of SuperNET.

Once I understand the cryptocool algo this is possibly big improvement in all decentralized games of chance and I will make an API for the SuperNET to be able to use this.

So, people can invest in just the instaDICE asset to get 100% concentration in the proven satoshidice market.
Privatebet will own 50% of instaDICE and utilize the provable random algo for all its games of chance casino games. Unfortunately, I am a bit busy for now, so the timeframe for such casino games is not for some time. However, I am definitely open to some partnerships with anybody that is able to make nice GUI and gameplay. So, this way it is minimizing the time needed for me and maximizing the available casino games.

If you are a casino game vendor, we can do some deal. PM me with what game you have, preferably with screenshots. and we can see about whether to make a shared asset with Privatebet. So I am seeing assets like instaPoker, instaTBD, ... that is encapsulating a single genre of game, owned between Privatebet and whoever is coding the GUI and game logic. I know I am lazy about this and I only implement the easy stuff, but at least I can offer SuperNET crossmarketing, so I hope for the strongest applicants.

Please contact whale for the negotiating and noashh for the showing your fantastic GUI. If they are happy, then I will take a deeper look.

Thanks! I hope that by decentralizing the development of Privatebet casino, this is making many devs large money and having the collection of best implementations in all the standard casino categories. Of course, any new original gaming genre is also a good thing.

James

P.S. yes, I know, even more complications about the assets owning assets owning assets. I am making asset connections similar to software hierarchy, so this is just what I do. I hear some people are finally going to make a GUI to understand my asset connections, so maybe it is clearer the logic for the structure. It is just an intuitive thing for me for placing this asset here, that asset there, bind them with some shared ownership or maybe a subsidiary. Please dont ask me for whitepaper or GUI, the "source code" is on the blockchain anyway :)
after some discussion with CfB, it appears that v2 of instaDICE could actually be a full blown DAC
still not sure, need something to do next year
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2014, 04:45:49 am »

If someone is still interested in this "trade secret" [always use the big words] and is too lazy to read the API documentation, I can sell the "method" for 10kNXT. :P

Or you could just post it here :P
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2014, 09:28:24 am »

If its to do with chaining transactions, how does it deal with the thing which eventually shut down the original satoshi's dice?
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2014, 10:33:22 am »

Do you have any more info? I've only found "On October 31, 2013 the SatoshiDice Tribute game was launched, only to be shut down a month later after being plagued by slow performance, DDos attacks and other user related issues.", nothing more specific.

As for transaction chaining, yes, that's the idea. If gambler double-spends, he also wouldn't get his reward. However, thanks to TF this still leaves a problem, where the gambler is also the forger, and gambles only when he'll have a block, and double spends only his losses. I wonder how CfB solved that problem.
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2014, 02:42:54 pm »

I wonder how CfB solved that problem.

Just buy the solution from jl777. :)
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2014, 04:39:51 pm »

Damn. I admit, you ARE a genius.
I am not worthy to stoop down and untie the strap of Your sandals.
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2014, 04:43:44 pm »

Damn. I admit, you ARE a genius.
I am not worthy to stoop down and untie the strap of Your sandals.

Not a genius, just a guy who notices details. :)
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2014, 04:48:44 pm »

I wonder how CfB solved that problem.

Just buy the solution from jl777. :)

I'll just wait for NeoDice to take over the gambling world.
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2014, 09:14:38 am »

Do you have any more info? I've only found "On October 31, 2013 the SatoshiDice Tribute game was launched, only to be shut down a month later after being plagued by slow performance, DDos attacks and other user related issues.", nothing more specific.

As for transaction chaining, yes, that's the idea. If gambler double-spends, he also wouldn't get his reward. However, thanks to TF this still leaves a problem, where the gambler is also the forger, and gambles only when he'll have a block, and double spends only his losses. I wonder how CfB solved that problem.

Satoshi dice originally worked by using the output of the funding transaction as part of the winning payment, thereby chaining them together so if the funding transaction didn't get included in a block, the payment transaction wouldn't. However, this does not account for *losing* transactions (since nothing is sent back on a loss).

In this case, it became possible to issue a series of bets, discard all the losing ones (by double spending them) and only keep the winning ones. This attack was actually performed and satoshi dice was forced to change their system from 0 to 1 confirmations, which ruined the whole experience and forced them to change the design to deposit/withdraw.

Cheers, Paul.
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2014, 10:10:12 am »

There is a way to mitigate this problem, though - let me know if you'd like to know one solution?
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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2014, 02:19:47 pm »

There is a way to mitigate this problem, though - let me know if you'd like to know one solution?

I would like to know.
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Re: "Know-how" for sale: SAFE instant betting a-la SatoshiDice
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2014, 03:44:37 pm »

Anyone interested in working together on a project using this tech?

I can provide a full working implementation if I can find a partner to run the business side of it.
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