Topic: Why does NXT trade like sh*t? (Read 19799 times)

Come-from-Beyond · « **Reply #140 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:18:19 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:14:40 pm

looked into this, not easy but doable (hardware, regulation...)
Don't have enough time for this, but probably could participate one way or another if someone wishes to do it. Central and Eastern Europe, know how to do it in Germany.
Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm
what about community funded NXT ATMs? someone could issue an asset for this. just a small idea

nexern · « **Reply #141 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:31:43 pm »

Quote from: ChuckOne on October 16, 2014, 09:02:53 pm

@nexern

It seems you have some very concrete steps in mind. Whom would you reach out to?

i already wrote about this but here is one example for crowdfunding.

1. locate where the innovators/seekers etc. are organized. e.g. portals, forums etc.
2. create a landing page for them, explaining exactly the steps neccessary todo.
3. contact/inform them e.g. within a forum with serveral thousends users.
4. provide asisistance for one succesfull run
5. if neccesary even cover the initial costs for them. they are valuable replicators.

one succesfull funding will spread like wildfire.

repeat this for DGS -> music | videos and other easy to transfer digital goods.

moreover, support additional blockchain based projects reaching the external market e.g.
an nxt version of proof of existence http://www.proofofexistence.com/.

do the same here. locate the target group in the net and communicate with them to create
a first use case.

this bottom->top approach works! i already using this for the hive project. this way
nxt can easily reach forums with 1.000 - 100.000 users with very tiny costs, just go
where the users are.

coinomat · « **Reply #142 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:43:47 pm »

it's hard to quit old habits

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on October 16, 2014, 09:18:19 pm

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
looked into this, not easy but doable (hardware, regulation...)
Don't have enough time for this, but probably could participate one way or another if someone wishes to do it. Central and Eastern Europe, know how to do it in Germany.
Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm
what about community funded NXT ATMs? someone could issue an asset for this. just a small idea

TwinWinNerD · « **Reply #143 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:56:10 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:43:47 pm

it's hard to quit old habits
Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on October 16, 2014, 09:18:19 pm
Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
looked into this, not easy but doable (hardware, regulation...)
Don't have enough time for this, but probably could participate one way or another if someone wishes to do it. Central and Eastern Europe, know how to do it in Germany.
Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm
what about community funded NXT ATMs? someone could issue an asset for this. just a small idea

Are there Forums, where this is standard practice?

jones · « **Reply #144 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:58:41 pm »

It is the standard for email
I think that's where doing this would come from.
because the reading of the forum is much faster paced than email it becomes difficult to maintain

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on October 16, 2014, 09:56:10 pm

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:43:47 pm
it's hard to quit old habits
Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on October 16, 2014, 09:18:19 pm
Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
looked into this, not easy but doable (hardware, regulation...)
Don't have enough time for this, but probably could participate one way or another if someone wishes to do it. Central and Eastern Europe, know how to do it in Germany.
Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm
what about community funded NXT ATMs? someone could issue an asset for this. just a small idea

Are there Forums, where this is standard practice?

coinomat · « **Reply #145 on:** October 16, 2014, 10:04:10 pm »

Well, it's faster like that obviously.

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on October 16, 2014, 09:56:10 pm

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:43:47 pm
it's hard to quit old habits
Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on October 16, 2014, 09:18:19 pm
Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
looked into this, not easy but doable (hardware, regulation...)
Don't have enough time for this, but probably could participate one way or another if someone wishes to do it. Central and Eastern Europe, know how to do it in Germany.
Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm
what about community funded NXT ATMs? someone could issue an asset for this. just a small idea

Are there Forums, where this is standard practice?

TwinWinNerD · « **Reply #146 on:** October 16, 2014, 11:17:59 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on October 16, 2014, 10:04:10 pm

Well, it's faster like that obviously.

I don't see how. If I click "quote" it jumps right under the quote. (I use quick reply 99% of the time)

Kora · « **Reply #147 on:** October 17, 2014, 03:46:44 am »

Quote from: apenzl on October 16, 2014, 03:03:13 am

Man, I hate the topic, but love this thread.

And I just posted an application to MC.
https://nxtforum.org/marketing-committee/(mc)-nxter-org/

IMO we could address most of the issues discussed here. Please read all the way through the application.

I started Nxter.org in January and I've published NXT Newsletters until 4 months ago, when decentralization won / killed me.
Or to big up myself: When I chose to build a site instead of chasing various threads.

I actually thought I could write the newsletters simultaneously, but with no funds and only one life, it only became a couple of articles per week, and a social media effort. TBH, while writing the newsletters I didn't even have time to promote them, just posted them in the BTT-thread and on nxtforum - then went off to follow more news.

Anyways, this is what changed my focus:
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-friendly-crypto-news-site/

We're now a 5 person core team of dedicated Nxters running nxter.org. We've made a roadmap, a business plan and all that. I've redesigned the site, both the front and the backend - to enable an efficient workflow: Pitching > writing > editing > publishing > sharing it. In multiple languages. We've started a French nxter.org sub site. We publish weekly market reports, among other Nxt news, and also write the SuperNET Newsletters.

We haven't gotten around to promoting it wildly yet. But here's the idea:

Everybody here has at least one field of interest, which is his reason to own NXT. - Share it. Write it down.
Instead of keeping it inside or discussing it among ourselves only - let's spread the word and the visions. That's a way to start a network effect.

I see lots of good ideas in here - as always! To help Nxt take off to the next stage. But let's get it out. We can even get paid. Put as much or as little energy into this as you can or want. We do have a professional English editor waiting to take care of misspellings and asking questions if something needs to be cleared up.

All contributions to nxter.org will be rewarded with Nxterpoints (NXTP). These are loyalty points that represents a share of the net profit of nxter.org. We couldn't find a better way to honor the purpose of the site or to make it reward the contributing Nxt Community members better. The more you contribute, the more NXTP shares of the profit you'll get. You can read more here: http://nxter.org/get-published-get-paid/

I've asked the MC to fund a floor value to the Nxterpoints (NXTP) which go to all contributors, and to cover some of the expenses for 3 big contests that aim to get new people to Nxt.

One is a faucet that I once planned with QBTC, which stranded because we both ran out of time. Its goal is to reach out to crypto- and non-crypto people, make them learn-by-using the features of Nxt in a little game, and have them surf Nxt powered websites in search for the answers, that will eventually give them a NXT reward.

Quote from: ThomasVeil on October 15, 2014, 08:51:45 pm
We first have to answer this question: What problem does NXT solve?

The second contest is a competition. The goal is to get ppl brainstorming real life use cases for Nxt. Lots of possible use cases have already been thought out and published in pre-ANNs of pre-ANNs of Bitcoin related pre-ANNs in the media, but let's get them in here instead and relate it to the Nxt platform. Offer a grand prize for the best "Nxt Solution". And let's make students worldwide, youth politicians, anons and gamers contribute to the brainstorm, because maybe something new will come up. Inspiration from outside. We'll use this contest for spinoff articles and PR texts. Maybe we can even announce many of the proposed use cases in a matter of months.

Quote from: Kora on October 15, 2014, 11:21:57 pm
NXT solves many problems, and they're easy to see for those in the 'know', like people reading this forum.
The hard part is getting people outside of crypto to know 'WE' exist. That's where short videos can play a BIG role IMO.

Third contest: Make the best Nxt promotion. The goal is to get a worldwide promotion of Nxt (or Nxt-based features). I won't tell you how. But you can win a grand prize. Suggestions: Bomb your city walls with Nxt logo stencils. Write an article, print Nxt infographics and hang 'em in your university, local library or mall. Document it. Videofilm yourself using a NxtInside innovation like Freemarket or Nxtty. SuperNET. Create your first MS-coin. Try to make a Nxt meme go viral. Anything.

The most interesting part of this 3rd proposal is, IMO, that we'll get off the internet and have whoever wants to participate do it locally, worldwide. Even if they don't win the first- second- or third prize, they've promoted us and learned about Nxt, and they may be willing to carry on - for fun or for the revolution. We *could* aim to create a global street team of promotors. For Nxt related businesses to buy into. Net income from such a useful adventure would be dividended out to NXTP holders. All of us.

The last NXT Newsletter I wrote wasn't boring. It covered 2 months of Nxt development (simplified) but it was 40 pages long! The best comment I received IMO was this retweet: 'Too much Nxt news!' It may have been a friendly joke, but it was the truth. The problem is definitely NOT, that we don't have enough Nxt news, it's a matter of what news we choose to publish. I want nxter.org to be "serious", always wanted that, so I've opened up to private blogs now to provoke myself.
And we're even gonna open up to private businesses / partnerships.

The world is wide open, and with AE gaining attention and NRS 1.4 coming up, it's only going to get worse.

I hope, that you're with me on this. I hope you see our idea. I hope the whole community can do this.
Please discuss / chip in.

Great ideas apenzl!! Competitions are a great way to get people active!

"CryptoFest" would love to work with you and the nxter.org team to help promote NXT!

apenzl · « **Reply #148 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:49:49 pm »

Quote from: ThomasVeil on October 16, 2014, 04:35:22 pm

Quote from: apenzl on October 16, 2014, 03:03:13 am
Everybody here has at least one field of interest, which is his reason to own NXT. - Share it. Write it down. ...
All contributions to nxter.org will be rewarded with Nxterpoints (NXTP).

That's a great initiative. Love the NXT and Supernet updates so far.
I think I could write ideas down for this.... And steal your Nxterpoints
I'll collect some thoughts over the next weeks.

Sounds good! Steal as many as you can.

Quote from: Kora on October 17, 2014, 03:46:44 am

Great ideas apenzl!! Competitions are a great way to get people active!

"CryptoFest" would love to work with you and the nxter.org team to help promote NXT!

Thanks.

I've posted your link here, btw:
https://nxtforum.org/asset-exchange-general/(ann)(ico)-nxtmovie/msg118566/

The competitions aim for the same end goal as what Nexern describes, but takes a slightly differently path to get there.

Quote from: nexern on October 16, 2014, 09:31:43 pm

i already wrote about this but here is one example for crowdfunding.

1. locate where the innovators/seekers etc. are organized. e.g. portals, forums etc.
2. create a landing page for them, explaining exactly the steps neccessary todo.
3. contact/inform them e.g. within a forum with serveral thousends users.
4. provide asisistance for one succesfull run
5. if neccesary even cover the initial costs for them. they are valuable replicators.

one succesfull funding will spread like wildfire.

repeat this for DGS -> music | videos and other easy to transfer digital goods.

moreover, support additional blockchain based projects reaching the external market e.g.
an nxt version of proof of existence http://www.proofofexistence.com/.

do the same here. locate the target group in the net and communicate with them to create
a first use case.

this bottom->top approach works! i already using this for the hive project. this way
nxt can easily reach forums with 1.000 - 100.000 users with very tiny costs, just go
where the users are.

This nxter.org thing is just an attempt to drum ppl together to make more happen.

The magazine part is bringing ppl in + spreading the word. The main goal of nxter.org (IMO) is to motivate ppl to take part, give ordinary ppl and businesses a clear understanding of what Nxt can do for them. Yes, it's a promotional tool too. For Nxt, Nxt businesses, coins with NxtInside. Our motivation is to PUSH the word about Nxt and its use cases, not to take credit.

Bad communication / management is still a major problem in our community IMHO. This slows everything down. Good things may be happening "behind the scenes" somewhere, but unfortunately the knowledge of this makes most community members just sit back and wait for stuff to get built. Nxt to go to the moon. "Others will do it".

I hope Nxt Marketing is working.
I hope Nxt Foundation is working.
I hope Nxt Organization is working.
I hope the Nxt Inside initiative will be working.

But most of all I hope(d) they would coordinate their work and be more transparent about it in the forum. It just won't happen?!! So I'm trying to get back to gathering information from all the Nxt parties, put it together and publish it. 1. as a Nxt promotion but MOST IMPORTANTLY 2. as a necessary service to ourselves and 3. as a attempt to actively target and reach new user groups and businesses.

I'm not easily pissed off, I don't flame ppl, and I think I'm in an ok standing with about everyone here. So my hope is, that individuals and the parties mentioned above will cooperate, or use nxter.org as a central point of information where they themselves can post and be sure that we'll get the word out. I'm interested in creating a community driven hub. Not in centralizing Nxt. Not in personally drinking aperitifs and being photographed with a big mr. Corporate Business CEO. I'm sure others will do that better than me.

Nxter.org is what I can contribute with. It's a domain, a user base and a handwritten service, but it can be turned into anything. Whoever contributes can add value, so you choose. Whatever net profit nxter.org will make from contributions, advertisement, article sales, sponsors and partnerships is shared among all contributors or reinvested in initiatives to benefit Nxt, NXT, NxtInside, Nxt Movement.

Bah, what a promo speech this turned into. I'm supposed to announce this on Monday. I still will. But thanks for great feedback, I hope this leads to more action.

Brangdon · « **Reply #149 on:** October 18, 2014, 08:55:49 am »

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on October 16, 2014, 09:56:10 pm

Are there Forums, where this is standard practice?

Email and Usenet, back from when software was unreliable at threading or even distribution. The quoting was needed because the person reading a message might not know which thread it was from, or have access to the rest of that thread, and putting it at the bottom made it less distracting for people who did have the whole thread. It's not appropriate in a forum like this, where everyone reliably has the whole thread.

sepehr · « **Reply #150 on:** October 19, 2014, 09:22:01 am »

I have proposed several times to initiate company accounts in NXT Core.

I don't know why no body cares about this!

Just Bluemeanei1 steal it and you gave him 1M to be rude and sending you garbage every day!!!

Here is my proposal to design company account in NXT core:

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-improvement-proposals/forming-a-company-account-(cryptocompany)/msg111389/#msg111389

IMHO cryptocompany will shoot NXT price like the AE did!

Please someone give me a feedback and say I am an idiot and my idea is nonsense!!!

But please stop this silence about it!!!

coinomat · « **Reply #151 on:** October 19, 2014, 02:25:47 pm »

Quote from: sepehr on October 19, 2014, 09:22:01 am

I have proposed several times to initiate company accounts in NXT Core.

I don't know why no body cares about this!

Just Bluemeanei1 steal it and you gave him 1M to be rude and sending you garbage every day!!!

Here is my proposal to design company account in NXT core:

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-improvement-proposals/forming-a-company-account-(cryptocompany)/msg111389/#msg111389

IMHO cryptocompany will shoot NXT price like the AE did!

Please someone give me a feedback and say I am an idiot and my idea is nonsense!!! But please stop this silence about it!!!

But we need smart contracts for this, don't we?

sepehr · « **Reply #152 on:** October 22, 2014, 12:36:37 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on October 19, 2014, 02:25:47 pm

But we need smart contracts for this, don't we?

Do you mean that we should first run smart contract then think about CryptoCopmany(CC)?
I think they can be developed separate.
Why you think so?

valarmg · « **Reply #153 on:** October 22, 2014, 12:55:28 pm »

Quote from: sepehr on October 22, 2014, 12:36:37 pm

Do you mean that we should first run smart contract then think about CryptoCopmany(CC)?
I think they can be developed separate.
Why you think so?

Because many of the functions of your cryptocompany ideas need some kind of scripting. It doesn't seem a project for the core, but rather something that can be built on top of Nxt via smart contracts or automatic transactions.

sepehr · « **Reply #154 on:** October 22, 2014, 01:39:41 pm »

Quote from: valarmg on October 22, 2014, 12:55:28 pm

Quote from: sepehr on October 22, 2014, 12:36:37 pm

Do you mean that we should first run smart contract then think about CryptoCopmany(CC)?
I think they can be developed separate.
Why you think so?

Because many of the functions of your cryptocompany ideas need some kind of scripting. It doesn't seem a project for the core, but rather something that can be built on top of Nxt via smart contracts or automatic transactions.

You are right valarmg,

The logical order needs script processing and it needs some kind of interpreter or compiler processors. But I think it should be in core! Why you think it should not?

valarmg · « **Reply #155 on:** October 22, 2014, 02:22:34 pm »

Quote from: sepehr on October 22, 2014, 01:39:41 pm

The logical order needs script processing and it needs some kind of interpreter or compiler processors. But I think it should be in core! Why you think it should not?

Because it seems that your proposal is one possible implementation of many ways that a Digital Autonomous Corporation could be created. So once the scripting languages exist, then your cryptoCompany should be created using the scripting language. That would then be able to be reused, but also can be modified to create a different type of cryptoCompany. Something put in the core would likely be much less flexible.

T3CLtd · « **Reply #156 on:** November 10, 2014, 12:08:58 pm »

EDIT: Reposted in new thread here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/collaboration-proposition-regarding-atms/

Quote from: prometheus on October 16, 2014, 08:46:17 pm

what about community funded NXT ATMs?

Hi, just registered here to talk with some of the mobile wallet devs, but this caught our eye as it relates to something we are considering regarding our ATM project.

For those not familiar, we are a Cyprus company in the process of organising a roll-out of cryptocurrency ATMs scheduled for Q1 of 2015.

Our intention is/was to utilise the multi-coin capability of the Genesis1 2-way ATM https://bitcoinatm.com/ to market both Bitcoin and, as an interest-earning speculative cryptocurrency, a small PoS coin project called Bitstarcoin, to provide something a little more interesting than standard Bitcoin which, once bought, does nothing other than wait to be sent elsewhere.

The plan is to create an *extremely* simple mobile wallet which replaces cryptographic terminology where possible with regular fiat-finance labels in order to lower the bar of entry to this space and reduce the learning curve. This wallet is to hold both Bitcoin and Bitstarcoin, with the ability to trade one to the other from within the wallet.

During the progression of our plans, we have become involved in the SuperNET project and seek to create a two-level user experience through offering a link to the SuperNET GUI from within our basic wallet design, for the more 'adventurous' crypto investor.

It has, however, come to our attention that the broad range of functions and features available through SuperNET and, by definition, the NXT platform, may well offer a route towards achieving the functionality we need to accomplish our wallet design goals without having to resort to Crypto 1.0 methods which, for example, would have the in-wallet currency 'swap' operating through a centralised pool of funds or a centralised trade service.

Long story short, if your community would be interested in working with us to develop our mobile wallet and can help achieve this through Crypto 2.0 means on the NXT platform, something I believe is definitely achievable given what I understand is being done with the MGW etc., then the more we are able to future-proof our product by way of your tech, the greater the incentive we have for promoting it through our ATM and mobile wallet user experience.

If this is something your community would be interested in doing then let's begin a discussion and see if we can collaborate in such a way as for us all to benefit.

sadface · « **Reply #157 on:** November 10, 2014, 01:18:31 pm »

hey T3CLtd!

you should open a thread and/or post in this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/14020/

its more likely you will reach the right people to talk to that way.

KarlKarlsson · « **Reply #158 on:** November 10, 2014, 01:36:33 pm »

Yeah, you should really open a new thread for this discussion! It's a very interesting topic and the community will definitely like your approach and support you!

T3CLtd · « **Reply #159 on:** November 10, 2014, 02:49:32 pm »

Ok, well it's good to hear that it might be of interest.

I'm not sure where the best place would be in this forum to start a thread for this discussion though.

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