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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 01:59:37 pm »


Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.


I don't know in which part of the world you live, but in my country cvs are more or less personal stuff.  ???
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2018, 02:02:24 pm »

show their cvs to the community, for instance.

Are you for real? So you want

1) private applications copy-pasted into a public forum?
2) To decide for Jelurida who they should hire? Hey, maybe we could have a vote. :D

Jelurida is a private company, it's not a DAO you supported. They give you: NXT. IGNIS. ARDOR. Child chains. Massive talent. Not their company.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Agree. They could inform us better. I see Riker and Veronica being out there, and also their helpdesk is being expanded. This will help.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Crystal ball-comment?

Constructive criticism is fine, doomsday prophecies based on weekly charts aren't very constructive, imho.

You made your point in the OP. I agree to some degree. Riker answered. So, what now? How about we get off our asses and begin using, pitching and promoting the platform? After all, Ardor is truly awesome, so awesome that we decided to buy tokens. It's a first mover in so many fields, stable, energy efficient, scalable, its continued development has been funded, and as a community, there's so much we can do. Where do you suggest we begin?

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.

Great, let's do it! Maybe I can help. Maybe the greater community can. Maybe Jelurida will even fund a bounty for you. What are you going to do for your platform today?

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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 03:23:59 pm »

show their cvs to the community, for instance.

Are you for real? So you want

1) private applications copy-pasted into a public forum?
2) To decide for Jelurida who they should hire? Hey, maybe we could have a vote. :D

Jelurida is a private company, it's not a DAO you supported. They give you: NXT. IGNIS. ARDOR. Child chains. Massive talent. Not their company.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Agree. They could inform us better. I see Riker and Veronica being out there, and also their helpdesk is being expanded. This will help.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Crystal ball-comment?

Constructive criticism is fine, doomsday prophecies based on weekly charts aren't very constructive, imho.

You made your point in the OP. I agree to some degree. Riker answered. So, what now? How about we get off our asses and begin using, pitching and promoting the platform? After all, Ardor is truly awesome, so awesome that we decided to buy tokens. It's a first mover in so many fields, stable, energy efficient, scalable, its continued development has been funded, and as a community, there's so much we can do. Where do you suggest we begin?

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.

Great, let's do it! Maybe I can help. Maybe the greater community can. Maybe Jelurida will even fund a bounty for you. What are you going to do for your platform today?

What, do i need to work for free for an entreprise who asked for 15 million dollars?? are you joking??

Jelurida has to hire people to do that because people gave money for that..which include 26 people (among them 2 business developers and and 2 support representatives)

People gave money to Jelurida, so people demands and we have to ask for it beacuse is Jelurida duty.

By the way, I am not basing my criticism in weekly charts but in real facts...

Let's be clear about this disaster:

Nxt is 96th coin in coinmarketcap at the moment
Ignis is 100th coin in coinmarketcap at the moment

This is unacceptable for coins sold as great technology. It only shows that the project is not managed at all. This is ameteur, not professional. The problem is not outside in a distant world,it is inside, exactly in the way this project is run

« Last Edit: February 07, 2018, 03:36:39 pm by cromaclear »
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2018, 03:26:03 pm »


Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.


I don't know in which part of the world you live, but in my country cvs are more or less personal stuff.  ???

It is easy, ommit names, sex, religion or any kind of personal information and just give inputs about experience
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2018, 08:11:08 pm »

Hey genius,

if this

...
I left all my nxt coins in bter exchange (yes, i know, i should have transfer those coins to a nrs client, but i didn't)
...

is the best investment plan you came up with, it is easy: Don't give any advice on how to invest money, EVER.

If you want marketing you should reach out for carlos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-J4pAKAT4

And should we really entered bear market 2018 again, you need to save your tears for the next lows to come  ;)
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2018, 08:36:20 pm »

Hey genius,

if this

...
I left all my nxt coins in bter exchange (yes, i know, i should have transfer those coins to a nrs client, but i didn't)
...

is the best investment plan you came up with, it is easy: Don't give any advice on how to invest money, EVER.

If you want marketing you should reach out for carlos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-J4pAKAT4

And should we really entered bear market 2018 again, you need to save your tears for the next lows to come  ;)

thank you for calling me genious because I am one.
You know why?? chill out baby, i will explain it now.

After recognising my error of leaving my coins on bter i started to fight for them against bter, day after day...and finally i got all my coins as you can see in the last post of that topic.

That make me feel a total genious, quite different to you which is total incompetence. Instead of saying what im doing wrong, i will correct it, you think the problem is in the world but not in yourself.

yes, i am a genious and im here to demand Jelurida to fulfill its obligation with the 15 millions collected and hire the 26 people

yes, i am a genious and im here to tell jelurida that the way jelurida is working is an absolute disaster, nxt killed, ignis the same and lets see ardor....maybe this is a fight between Jelurida and titanic in order to see who sinks the boat deepest

and finally, i am a genious because im here to say that jelurida has to take the needed steps to correct this situation as soon as possible. the error is not outside in a different planet, the error is in how Jelurida is managing the project...

well, it is not my fault to come here to ask for things being done correctly, it is my duty as an investor

Remenber, it is the people (not me) voting with their moneys who are sending ardor cryptosystem to the abyss because a bad management.

Correct it!! Failure is at home, not outside
« Last Edit: February 07, 2018, 08:44:03 pm by cromaclear »
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 02:14:54 pm »

This is unacceptable for coins sold as great technology.
...or it is simply not a great technology, not needed by masses. Advanced - yes, great - yes, but simply not desperately needed by businesses.

Other thought. Many times I got answers that this is a community project and Jelurida is doing things for community. So if today there would be an exam on how community is healthy, where are community votings that orchestrate Jelurida's actions, how Jelurida is supporting democracy among the community, how good is communication,  'can community vote to take funds off of Jelurida and redirect them to other entity that will make some actions in behave of them' - would community pass this test?
« Last Edit: February 10, 2018, 09:18:39 am by kermitas »
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 03:08:24 pm »

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Let us play a little game where there are only two choices :
  • spend the next day doing marketing
  • spend the next day implementing better tools and a better ARDRO IGNIS NXT world
What should one choose, to be the winner ?

For me, without the slightest hesitation, choice nr 2...


Sorry mate, but you should hesitate to make this choice. A lot of products with technical superior features never went mass market because of the lack of awareness. I feel the same with ARDOR. I fully believe in the technical advantage of this project, but I also feel that the market is not aware of the advantages of ARDOR. Twittering that it is a sleeping gaint and to keep faith isn't enough. Bringing news of companies that join the ARDOR platform is. I found it really strange that I never heard of the Janus project untill it became life per example. ARDOR would have done a better job when I was informed about this via 3 different communication channels if I wanted to or not.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 04:31:39 pm »

Marketing always was an issue also while the project was called Nxt.

Actually, more childchains and business partners would be appreciated. Talking to Elizabeth directly can help, if you can provide her with feasible ideas. :)
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 04:33:01 pm »

Or, to quote Steve Ballmer here:

"Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, ..."

We need more of them in DIFFERENT businesses (than Jelurida) doing stuff on Ardor.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 10:39:45 pm »

Let me tell you something i read all of the comments here and YES most of the people are really right.

From my expirience i know that in the days we live now ALL is Marketing it is a WAR.
No matter how good is one Technology if there is not marketing and the people are not familiar with this tech who care will stay the same way after 5 years just because there is no marketing!

I will give you another example from the real Life!

Take one Big Company for Hi tech Stuffs like HTC well i love them, they have great tech, make gread devices using HI END materials and if you don`t know probably not many of the things we are using now and we have in the Smartphones are 1st inovated by them! here is the breakpoint MOST of the people don`t know this you have to digg it to realize it.

They was the 1st to Implement 2 Cameras Senzor on the back well now this days almost every company use this setup but nobody know that HTC did it 1st.

They was 1st to make a UNIBODY design from amulimium one block... well nobody know this if you ask APPLE or SAMSUNG or most of the people think Apple did it.

WHY? because of the Marketing.

this is just brief example in the Hitech World the Inovation made by HTC that are used today in the Smarphones are over 20 but guess what NOBODY KNOW.

Most of the people don`t care other part of the people think SAMSUNG, APPLE or somebody other did it.. why?!

Again Because of the Marketing.

Every year HTC complein and they lose money every single year because they don`t have SALES and this is repeating every damn single year when they have a new flagship... on the same time they never DID a Marketing im talking for a Big marketing like SAMSUNG do it all the time everywhere in the whole world like Apple do it all the time 24hrs a day!

So people are not familiar with HTC and all the inovations they bring because lack of marketing = lack of sale = lack of knowladge.

The funny thing is that Google like bvery very much HTC because they know what they are doing in fact most of the PIXEL phones are manifactured by HTC for Google!

The funny thing is that Everybody know Google Pixel but nobody know HTC. and Google sell 10 times more than HTC why?

Because of Marketing strategy nothing more or less and for this reason Google Bought part of the HTC to use the potential they have in manifacturing mobile devices and many more.

This all above is just Example but the funny thing is that is all real example from the real everyday life.

NO MATTER how BIG amazing tech is something without Marketing its worth nothing.

Many scam, tokens and coins that doesnt have even working product or a wallet, are far more popular than Ardor and also far more recognizable this is SAD.

WHY? Because of the Lack of Marketing

THe people behind Ardor have to STAND with proud and to Market this Product because is something more than the others it is a working product it is new it is a hi tech and have alot of potential IF only IF they push the marketing to a new level.

I dont think a youtube homemade video is serious Marketing. like i say this is a WAR and if you want to build something you have to fight and to know what you got.

This is one of the reasons with NXT in the past 4 plus years is in the same situation. Cmon Guys

PLEASE i really please you DO NOT DO the same Mistake with ARDOR because i really trust in this Tech.

Im SAD not because of the PRICE of the ARDOR... this is not most important i really believe in this TECH and when all went good and the people get familiar with this everything will come by itself the recognition, the price the value, the usability and so on.


I really hope someone from the TEAM read this im a friend of yours and i wish you and to Ardor only all good things posible but you have to understand the example above.

Thanks
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2018, 09:01:03 am »

Let me tell you something i read all of the comments here and YES most of the people are really right.
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PLEASE i really please you DO NOT DO the same Mistake with ARDOR because i really trust in this Tech.

Im SAD not because of the PRICE of the ARDOR... this is not most important i really believe in this TECH and when all went good and the people get familiar with this everything will come by itself the recognition, the price the value, the usability and so on.


I really hope someone from the TEAM read this im a friend of yours and i wish you and to Ardor only all good things posible but you have to understand the example above.

I completely agree with you.

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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2018, 04:14:42 pm »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 08:32:27 am »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
Example: Trustedchain Technologies with their MetaChain/Subchain concept: https://www.tct.io
However, they seem to be still at their beginning.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 10:23:44 am »

1) someone knows where payment for issuing a child-chain (a muuulti digit number in EUR (*)) is going? Is Jelurida returning it back to the community/stake holders/investors?

* - just my guessing ;) ;) ;) ;)

2) if Jelurida is asking other companies to sign NDA then how transparent for the community is what they offer and what they want?
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 10:54:19 am »

1. I don't think that Jelurida gets money for creating a child chain (But I am not from Jelurida.) This is really only your guess.

2. Having an NDA that is transparent: isn't that a contradiction in itself?
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 04:23:31 pm »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
Example: Trustedchain Technologies with their MetaChain/Subchain concept: https://www.tct.io
However, they seem to be still at their beginning.

Also check private blockchains from Hyperledger and Hashgraph.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 05:09:57 pm »

you guys seriously need to get in a proper captcha service up. use recaptcha http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1044
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 09:31:55 am »

The 'marketing concept' proposes that in order to satisfy the organizational objectives, an organization should anticipate the needs and wants of consumers and satisfy these more effectively than competitors. This concept originated from Adam Smith's book The Wealth of Nations, but would not become widely used until nearly 200 years later. Marketing and marketing concepts are directly related.

Given the centrality of customer needs and wants in marketing, a rich understanding of these concepts is essential:

Needs: Something necessary for people to live a healthy, stable and safe life. When needs remain unfulfilled, there is a clear adverse outcome: a dysfunction or death. Needs can be objective and physical, such as the need for food, water and shelter; or subjective and psychological, such as the need to belong to a family or social group and the need for self-esteem.
Wants: Something that is desired, wished for or aspired to. Wants are not essential for basic survival and are often shaped by culture or peer-groups.
Demands: When needs and wants are backed by the ability to pay, they have the potential to become economic demands.




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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 08:31:03 pm »

1) someone knows where payment for issuing a child-chain (a muuulti digit number in EUR (*)) is going? Is Jelurida returning it back to the community/stake holders/investors?
I don't know, but I'd expect them to keep it. Use some of it to fund further development and some as profit. They're a development company, not a charity. We're not shareholders. We do all benefit when another child chain is added and is successful. It grows the ecology.
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