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where is the marketing???
« on: February 02, 2018, 12:31:05 pm »

Jelurida, start doing something useful, you got 15 millions usd in the ico and you are doing nothing in marketing.

You killed nxt, you are going to kill Ignis and who knows about Ardor if you dont organize your team with a professional team.

Structure the enterprise to get an stable growth. Make each department work in the same direction and create value.

Until now, there is no marketing, there is no public relationship infraestructure, there is no communication team, there is no sale force...

You've got a great product but that is not enough in order to grow and we are seeing the consecuences.

Hire professional people in all areas and make them work without stop.

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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2018, 03:50:54 pm »

Hi  :D

at now Jelurida is 4 official persons 3 DEVs and a 1 lawyer... and some GUI DEVs...
for the marketing() they delegated to ANG but i don't really know what this guys and ladies are doing because they turn the thing like a kind of walled garden with a paid access...

http://www.ardornxt.group/

marketing is a war strategy and not a banner on a site or a video on youtube... those are weapons (marketing tools) but it's not called marketing... (promo basics)

for this, jelurida need warriors in this area and I don't see any job offer targeting people able to develop serious marketing and commercial strategies...

the biggest problem is that the community has stopped promoting NXT because they are waiting for what jelurida will do and this makes things worse...

Thank you  ;)
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 05:16:12 pm »

Jelurida, start doing something useful, you got 15 millions usd in the ico and you are doing nothing in marketing.

You killed nxt, you are going to kill Ignis and who knows about Ardor if you dont organize your team with a professional team.

Structure the enterprise to get an stable growth. Make each department work in the same direction and create value.

Until now, there is no marketing, there is no public relationship infraestructure, there is no communication team, there is no sale force...

You've got a great product but that is not enough in order to grow and we are seeing the consecuences.

Hire professional people in all areas and make them work without stop.
I am with you in your frustrations. I am quite fresh to this community and Ardor as I am learning it since November 2017. I bought a lot of ARDRs and wanted to do a lot for this project and community. Then I asked a lot of questions here, at the forum (most of them are here, in 'General Discussions') and - when comparing to other blockchain projects and communities - I was feeling like I am hitting the wall using my head.

Attaching two screenshots from Slack #general chat:
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1R6-eRf7FEjPB-zK-WPhXlYAn0wmq8BNQ <-- as there were no response from @jelurida I emailed them 1st of Feb and wonder if I will get any answer from them
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1v8QswRbK-CyR4qR5eqJ0bOU335FGF7ni <-- for me that shows state of democratization of this community (where Jelurida should be a subject of community's decisions)

So it took me few months to collect all needed knowledge and realize "you will not be able to do anything interesting here, go with your passion and enthusiast somewhere else" (in my case: SingularityNET $AGI, NexusEarth $NXS, EOS).

My private suspicions/conclusions are:
- decentralized blockchain is strongly controlled and managed in a centralized way by Jelurida,
- community does not have control over Jelurida, over direction where this project is going,
- Jelurida does not have business in making community strong, does not encourage community to drive this whole thing in a fully democratic way,
- Jelurda silently collected most of the power in their own hands (instead of hands of strong, healthy and democratic community) becoming a single point of failure (what if team will split again? what if something will happen to Lior? I have a personal experience with a death of developer that becomes too powerful [as he was probably doing 'job protection']), that is a serious threat to Ardor platform and all its believers/investors.

Of course those are just my private thoughts - I am collecting the 'how things are' knowledge for just 2+ months so I can be of course in a terrible mistake :)
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 05:40:52 pm »

This is not complex - a straight forward effort:
- Put together a target list of ERC20 tokens/ICOs. 
- Determine which of the above have the highest need for Ardor child coin benefits
- Prioritize the list
- Contact, qualify interest level
- Locate decision makers
- Changeover to Ardor

Once a few are changed, more will follow.  The Ardor team needs to make this effort.
 
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 09:05:33 am »

Guys... I think all what you say is right. On the other hand marketing strategy has started only when Veronica joined the team and that was not long ago. I don’t think you can build a strong marketing strategy and execute it in a couple of weeks. I have trust that marketing work is being done, we just have to let them do the work.


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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 09:25:04 am »

Folks, my feedback:
1. If I'm dead or just retired, rest assured Nxt and Ardor will live on, I'm more of the spokesperson of the project than the lead developer
2. Translations - will start soon
3. Child chains creation - having tight control over their creation is a hard learnt lesson from the Nxt asset exchange and monetary system
4. Approaching ERC20 issuers which has a lot of funds to spend - good idea and definitely something we should do better

Whenever the token price drops from some reason we start getting this complaints about marketing. We are kind of used to it.
Please consider that we are doing much more than we used to do before we had the ICO funding.

Few examples:
1. Veronica - our new marketing manager and a team she's building around the project
2. Working with a PR agency
3. The Starla movies
4. Email campaigns
5. Web site redesign - not done
6. A lot of work with customers and enterprises, some of which, has to remain private and some is not ready to be published yet
7. Myself writing a blog on Medium and being active on Twitter
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2018, 11:55:01 am »

7. Myself writing a blog on Medium and being active on Twitter
Well, good, but on Twitter, and here for that matter, you are mostly preaching to the converted. I think you should consider other social media, such as Reddit, and not just in Ardor-related forums but more general ones like /r/CryptoCurrency and especially /r/CryptoTechnology. And probably other places that I don't frequent myself. And by "you" I don't necessarily mean you personally, but it should be someone's job to make sure your Medium posts get linked from elsewhere. For example, I don't think this is visible on Reddit yet. I know there is more to marketing than this, but this seems like quite basic stuff that should be easy to do but isn't being done.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 07:47:53 am »

...I know there is more to marketing than this, but this seems like quite basic stuff that should be easy to do but isn't being done.
Let us play a little game where there are only two choices :
  • spend the next day doing marketing
  • spend the next day implementing better tools and a better ARDRO IGNIS NXT world
What should one choose, to be the winner ?

For me, without the slightest hesitation, choice nr 2...

Because we are a community of peers, just a reminder that this easy job can and should be done by everybody  8) using social media, not only Jelurida; I strongly believe that the price follows the quality of the product, and not the reverse !  (today we are nr 49 on CoinMarketCap and we sure know a lot of of the 48 coins before us that have chosen quite exclusively option nr 1 !) ... 
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 09:58:30 am »

...I know there is more to marketing than this, but this seems like quite basic stuff that should be easy to do but isn't being done.
Let us play a little game where there are only two choices :
... and that's where you lose me. There is more than one person working for Jelurida. They raised $15m in the ICO. They can do more than one thing.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 03:36:33 pm »

Folks, my feedback:
1. If I'm dead or just retired, rest assured Nxt and Ardor will live on, I'm more of the spokesperson of the project than the lead developer
2. Translations - will start soon
3. Child chains creation - having tight control over their creation is a hard learnt lesson from the Nxt asset exchange and monetary system
4. Approaching ERC20 issuers which has a lot of funds to spend - good idea and definitely something we should do better

Whenever the token price drops from some reason we start getting this complaints about marketing. We are kind of used to it.
Please consider that we are doing much more than we used to do before we had the ICO funding.

Few examples:
1. Veronica - our new marketing manager and a team she's building around the project
2. Working with a PR agency
3. The Starla movies
4. Email campaigns
5. Web site redesign - not done
6. A lot of work with customers and enterprises, some of which, has to remain private and some is not ready to be published yet
7. Myself writing a blog on Medium and being active on Twitter


Jelurida got 15 millions USD in the Ignis ICO. With this money, level 4 was reached. Following the ICO prospectus, Level 4 implies 26 people will be hired, where are they??

Everybody can see what level 4 implies in the following picture

imgur.com/a/BuPvU  (just copy and paste the link in your browser)

Among these 26 people, there will be 2 business develpers and 2 support representatives who should be working now to promote Ardor-Nxt.

People trusted Jelurida and gave Jelurida 15 millions USD. Jelurida is not fulfilling what promised in the prospectus. It is Jelurida's duty to do it. Otherwise, it would be a scam.

People are protesting about questions not being answered, about Jelurida not being present. This is damaging the image of this project. Solve this issue asap.

Start to develop all the infrastructure to have a balaced company, hire the people promised and act in Ardor-Nxt interests in order to satisfy investors.
 
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 04:35:38 pm »

Folks, my feedback:
1. If I'm dead or just retired, rest assured Nxt and Ardor will live on, I'm more of the spokesperson of the project than the lead developer
2. Translations - will start soon
3. Child chains creation - having tight control over their creation is a hard learnt lesson from the Nxt asset exchange and monetary system
4. Approaching ERC20 issuers which has a lot of funds to spend - good idea and definitely something we should do better

Whenever the token price drops from some reason we start getting this complaints about marketing. We are kind of used to it.
Please consider that we are doing much more than we used to do before we had the ICO funding.

Few examples:
1. Veronica - our new marketing manager and a team she's building around the project
2. Working with a PR agency
3. The Starla movies
4. Email campaigns
5. Web site redesign - not done
6. A lot of work with customers and enterprises, some of which, has to remain private and some is not ready to be published yet
7. Myself writing a blog on Medium and being active on Twitter


Jelurida got 15 millions USD in the Ignis ICO. With this money, level 4 was reached. Following the ICO prospectus, Level 4 implies 26 people will be hired, where are they??

Everybody can see what level 4 implies in the following picture

imgur.com/a/BuPvU  (just copy and paste the link in your browser)

Among these 26 people, there will be 2 business develpers and 2 support representatives who should be working now to promote Ardor-Nxt.

People trusted Jelurida and gave Jelurida 15 millions USD. Jelurida is not fulfilling what promised in the prospectus. It is Jelurida's duty to do it. Otherwise, it would be a scam.

People are protesting about questions not being answered, about Jelurida not being present. This is damaging the image of this project. Solve this issue asap.

Start to develop all the infrastructure to have a balaced company, hire the people promised and act in Ardor-Nxt interests in order to satisfy investors.


https://www.4yfn.com/event/4yfn-barcelona-2018/awards/

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 04:43:32 pm »

Folks, my feedback:
1. If I'm dead or just retired, rest assured Nxt and Ardor will live on, I'm more of the spokesperson of the project than the lead developer
2. Translations - will start soon
3. Child chains creation - having tight control over their creation is a hard learnt lesson from the Nxt asset exchange and monetary system
4. Approaching ERC20 issuers which has a lot of funds to spend - good idea and definitely something we should do better

Whenever the token price drops from some reason we start getting this complaints about marketing. We are kind of used to it.
Please consider that we are doing much more than we used to do before we had the ICO funding.

Few examples:
1. Veronica - our new marketing manager and a team she's building around the project
2. Working with a PR agency
3. The Starla movies
4. Email campaigns
5. Web site redesign - not done
6. A lot of work with customers and enterprises, some of which, has to remain private and some is not ready to be published yet
7. Myself writing a blog on Medium and being active on Twitter


Jelurida got 15 millions USD in the Ignis ICO. With this money, level 4 was reached. Following the ICO prospectus, Level 4 implies 26 people will be hired, where are they??

Everybody can see what level 4 implies in the following picture

imgur.com/a/BuPvU  (just copy and paste the link in your browser)

Among these 26 people, there will be 2 business develpers and 2 support representatives who should be working now to promote Ardor-Nxt.

People trusted Jelurida and gave Jelurida 15 millions USD. Jelurida is not fulfilling what promised in the prospectus. It is Jelurida's duty to do it. Otherwise, it would be a scam.

People are protesting about questions not being answered, about Jelurida not being present. This is damaging the image of this project. Solve this issue asap.

Start to develop all the infrastructure to have a balaced company, hire the people promised and act in Ardor-Nxt interests in order to satisfy investors.


https://www.4yfn.com/event/4yfn-barcelona-2018/awards/

 ;)

15 millions USD invested by people to achieve level 4 in the ICO. That implies 26 people hired. Where are they? What is the money rose used for?

This issue is quite serious

:(:(:(:(
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 05:14:21 pm »


https://www.4yfn.com/event/4yfn-barcelona-2018/awards/

 ;)

if i was working for/with jelurida, i will put a 5k€ to 10k€ and a free child chain in the Prizes ... this will turn the whole event as marketing for jelurida  8)

i hope we will win this  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 05:35:07 pm »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 08:05:54 am »

...I know there is more to marketing than this, but this seems like quite basic stuff that should be easy to do but isn't being done.
Let us play a little game where there are only two choices :
... and that's where you lose me. There is more than one person working for Jelurida. They raised $15m in the ICO. They can do more than one thing.

Totally agree with this, I believe that's what they do already  ???

Should probably give them a little more time, a question of priorities...  :)

Another thing that would really do good, besides marketing, is if we could find at least one REAL use of either NXT or IGNIS in the REAL LIFE (meaning by that not the digital one  ;D ;D ;D)
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 04:28:03 pm »

does anybody know anything about the use of the 15 millions usd collected in the ignis ico?? where are the 26 people that jelurida promised to hire as ICO level 4 was reached??
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 05:21:40 pm »

does anybody know anything about the use of the 15 millions usd collected ...


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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 10:20:53 pm »

where are the 26 people that jelurida promised to hire as ICO level 4 was reached??

Well, a bunch of good people are being interviewed atm, afaik.

After that, they will be tested.

Personally, I am more than satisfied with that.

We may be used to "just" having a world class team of core devs, but I wouldn't want Jelurida to "just" hire 26 random people over the internet just to tell you: HEY, we hired 26 people after a month, aren't we great! Would be an easy way to burn money and time, sure, but not so awesome when the biggest part of those people turned out to be CV scammers and left the project as soon as the bitching over their incompetence took over social media and even Jelurida's ecosystem began shouting at them for running their business badly.

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 12:41:49 pm »

where are the 26 people that jelurida promised to hire as ICO level 4 was reached??

Well, a bunch of good people are being interviewed atm, afaik.

After that, they will be tested.

Personally, I am more than satisfied with that.

We may be used to "just" having a world class team of core devs, but I wouldn't want Jelurida to "just" hire 26 random people over the internet just to tell you: HEY, we hired 26 people after a month, aren't we great! Would be an easy way to burn money and time, sure, but not so awesome when the biggest part of those people turned out to be CV scammers and left the project as soon as the bitching over their incompetence took over social media and even Jelurida's ecosystem began shouting at them for running their business badly.

afaik is not the best answer to give information to the community.

Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 12:43:32 pm »

where are the 26 people that jelurida promised to hire as ICO level 4 was reached??

Well, a bunch of good people are being interviewed atm, afaik.

After that, they will be tested.

Personally, I am more than satisfied with that.

We may be used to "just" having a world class team of core devs, but I wouldn't want Jelurida to "just" hire 26 random people over the internet just to tell you: HEY, we hired 26 people after a month, aren't we great! Would be an easy way to burn money and time, sure, but not so awesome when the biggest part of those people turned out to be CV scammers and left the project as soon as the bitching over their incompetence took over social media and even Jelurida's ecosystem began shouting at them for running their business badly.



afaik is not the best answer to give information to the community.

Jelurida finished the ICO more than 3 months ago (november 4th), it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 01:59:37 pm »


Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.


I don't know in which part of the world you live, but in my country cvs are more or less personal stuff.  ???
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2018, 02:02:24 pm »

show their cvs to the community, for instance.

Are you for real? So you want

1) private applications copy-pasted into a public forum?
2) To decide for Jelurida who they should hire? Hey, maybe we could have a vote. :D

Jelurida is a private company, it's not a DAO you supported. They give you: NXT. IGNIS. ARDOR. Child chains. Massive talent. Not their company.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Agree. They could inform us better. I see Riker and Veronica being out there, and also their helpdesk is being expanded. This will help.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Crystal ball-comment?

Constructive criticism is fine, doomsday prophecies based on weekly charts aren't very constructive, imho.

You made your point in the OP. I agree to some degree. Riker answered. So, what now? How about we get off our asses and begin using, pitching and promoting the platform? After all, Ardor is truly awesome, so awesome that we decided to buy tokens. It's a first mover in so many fields, stable, energy efficient, scalable, its continued development has been funded, and as a community, there's so much we can do. Where do you suggest we begin?

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.

Great, let's do it! Maybe I can help. Maybe the greater community can. Maybe Jelurida will even fund a bounty for you. What are you going to do for your platform today?

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 03:23:59 pm »

show their cvs to the community, for instance.

Are you for real? So you want

1) private applications copy-pasted into a public forum?
2) To decide for Jelurida who they should hire? Hey, maybe we could have a vote. :D

Jelurida is a private company, it's not a DAO you supported. They give you: NXT. IGNIS. ARDOR. Child chains. Massive talent. Not their company.

There is no formal communication between Jelurida and the community, people complain about not getting answers when they ask for information about different issues. That means there is nobody from Jelurida to drive the community behind this project.

Agree. They could inform us better. I see Riker and Veronica being out there, and also their helpdesk is being expanded. This will help.

Ardor-NXt were one of the coins that fell the most in this last crytpo bear cycle and it is not where money is going in again after reaching the trough. Market never lies and shows how people vote about the management of this project.

Crystal ball-comment?

Constructive criticism is fine, doomsday prophecies based on weekly charts aren't very constructive, imho.

You made your point in the OP. I agree to some degree. Riker answered. So, what now? How about we get off our asses and begin using, pitching and promoting the platform? After all, Ardor is truly awesome, so awesome that we decided to buy tokens. It's a first mover in so many fields, stable, energy efficient, scalable, its continued development has been funded, and as a community, there's so much we can do. Where do you suggest we begin?

Something is being done very bad (communication, promotion, etc) and it has to be addresses as soon as possible in order to put Ardor cryptosystem in the right path.

Great, let's do it! Maybe I can help. Maybe the greater community can. Maybe Jelurida will even fund a bounty for you. What are you going to do for your platform today?

What, do i need to work for free for an entreprise who asked for 15 million dollars?? are you joking??

Jelurida has to hire people to do that because people gave money for that..which include 26 people (among them 2 business developers and and 2 support representatives)

People gave money to Jelurida, so people demands and we have to ask for it beacuse is Jelurida duty.

By the way, I am not basing my criticism in weekly charts but in real facts...

Let's be clear about this disaster:

Nxt is 96th coin in coinmarketcap at the moment
Ignis is 100th coin in coinmarketcap at the moment

This is unacceptable for coins sold as great technology. It only shows that the project is not managed at all. This is ameteur, not professional. The problem is not outside in a distant world,it is inside, exactly in the way this project is run

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2018, 03:26:03 pm »


Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.


I don't know in which part of the world you live, but in my country cvs are more or less personal stuff.  ???

It is easy, ommit names, sex, religion or any kind of personal information and just give inputs about experience
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2018, 08:11:08 pm »

Hey genius,

if this

...
I left all my nxt coins in bter exchange (yes, i know, i should have transfer those coins to a nrs client, but i didn't)
...

is the best investment plan you came up with, it is easy: Don't give any advice on how to invest money, EVER.

If you want marketing you should reach out for carlos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-J4pAKAT4

And should we really entered bear market 2018 again, you need to save your tears for the next lows to come  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2018, 08:36:20 pm »

Hey genius,

if this

...
I left all my nxt coins in bter exchange (yes, i know, i should have transfer those coins to a nrs client, but i didn't)
...

is the best investment plan you came up with, it is easy: Don't give any advice on how to invest money, EVER.

If you want marketing you should reach out for carlos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-J4pAKAT4

And should we really entered bear market 2018 again, you need to save your tears for the next lows to come  ;)

thank you for calling me genious because I am one.
You know why?? chill out baby, i will explain it now.

After recognising my error of leaving my coins on bter i started to fight for them against bter, day after day...and finally i got all my coins as you can see in the last post of that topic.

That make me feel a total genious, quite different to you which is total incompetence. Instead of saying what im doing wrong, i will correct it, you think the problem is in the world but not in yourself.

yes, i am a genious and im here to demand Jelurida to fulfill its obligation with the 15 millions collected and hire the 26 people

yes, i am a genious and im here to tell jelurida that the way jelurida is working is an absolute disaster, nxt killed, ignis the same and lets see ardor....maybe this is a fight between Jelurida and titanic in order to see who sinks the boat deepest

and finally, i am a genious because im here to say that jelurida has to take the needed steps to correct this situation as soon as possible. the error is not outside in a different planet, the error is in how Jelurida is managing the project...

well, it is not my fault to come here to ask for things being done correctly, it is my duty as an investor

Remenber, it is the people (not me) voting with their moneys who are sending ardor cryptosystem to the abyss because a bad management.

Correct it!! Failure is at home, not outside
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 02:14:54 pm »

This is unacceptable for coins sold as great technology.
...or it is simply not a great technology, not needed by masses. Advanced - yes, great - yes, but simply not desperately needed by businesses.

Other thought. Many times I got answers that this is a community project and Jelurida is doing things for community. So if today there would be an exam on how community is healthy, where are community votings that orchestrate Jelurida's actions, how Jelurida is supporting democracy among the community, how good is communication,  'can community vote to take funds off of Jelurida and redirect them to other entity that will make some actions in behave of them' - would community pass this test?
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 03:08:24 pm »

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  • spend the next day doing marketing
  • spend the next day implementing better tools and a better ARDRO IGNIS NXT world
What should one choose, to be the winner ?

For me, without the slightest hesitation, choice nr 2...


Sorry mate, but you should hesitate to make this choice. A lot of products with technical superior features never went mass market because of the lack of awareness. I feel the same with ARDOR. I fully believe in the technical advantage of this project, but I also feel that the market is not aware of the advantages of ARDOR. Twittering that it is a sleeping gaint and to keep faith isn't enough. Bringing news of companies that join the ARDOR platform is. I found it really strange that I never heard of the Janus project untill it became life per example. ARDOR would have done a better job when I was informed about this via 3 different communication channels if I wanted to or not.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 04:31:39 pm »

Marketing always was an issue also while the project was called Nxt.

Actually, more childchains and business partners would be appreciated. Talking to Elizabeth directly can help, if you can provide her with feasible ideas. :)
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 04:33:01 pm »

Or, to quote Steve Ballmer here:

"Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, ..."

We need more of them in DIFFERENT businesses (than Jelurida) doing stuff on Ardor.
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 10:39:45 pm »

Let me tell you something i read all of the comments here and YES most of the people are really right.

From my expirience i know that in the days we live now ALL is Marketing it is a WAR.
No matter how good is one Technology if there is not marketing and the people are not familiar with this tech who care will stay the same way after 5 years just because there is no marketing!

I will give you another example from the real Life!

Take one Big Company for Hi tech Stuffs like HTC well i love them, they have great tech, make gread devices using HI END materials and if you don`t know probably not many of the things we are using now and we have in the Smartphones are 1st inovated by them! here is the breakpoint MOST of the people don`t know this you have to digg it to realize it.

They was the 1st to Implement 2 Cameras Senzor on the back well now this days almost every company use this setup but nobody know that HTC did it 1st.

They was 1st to make a UNIBODY design from amulimium one block... well nobody know this if you ask APPLE or SAMSUNG or most of the people think Apple did it.

WHY? because of the Marketing.

this is just brief example in the Hitech World the Inovation made by HTC that are used today in the Smarphones are over 20 but guess what NOBODY KNOW.

Most of the people don`t care other part of the people think SAMSUNG, APPLE or somebody other did it.. why?!

Again Because of the Marketing.

Every year HTC complein and they lose money every single year because they don`t have SALES and this is repeating every damn single year when they have a new flagship... on the same time they never DID a Marketing im talking for a Big marketing like SAMSUNG do it all the time everywhere in the whole world like Apple do it all the time 24hrs a day!

So people are not familiar with HTC and all the inovations they bring because lack of marketing = lack of sale = lack of knowladge.

The funny thing is that Google like bvery very much HTC because they know what they are doing in fact most of the PIXEL phones are manifactured by HTC for Google!

The funny thing is that Everybody know Google Pixel but nobody know HTC. and Google sell 10 times more than HTC why?

Because of Marketing strategy nothing more or less and for this reason Google Bought part of the HTC to use the potential they have in manifacturing mobile devices and many more.

This all above is just Example but the funny thing is that is all real example from the real everyday life.

NO MATTER how BIG amazing tech is something without Marketing its worth nothing.

Many scam, tokens and coins that doesnt have even working product or a wallet, are far more popular than Ardor and also far more recognizable this is SAD.

WHY? Because of the Lack of Marketing

THe people behind Ardor have to STAND with proud and to Market this Product because is something more than the others it is a working product it is new it is a hi tech and have alot of potential IF only IF they push the marketing to a new level.

I dont think a youtube homemade video is serious Marketing. like i say this is a WAR and if you want to build something you have to fight and to know what you got.

This is one of the reasons with NXT in the past 4 plus years is in the same situation. Cmon Guys

PLEASE i really please you DO NOT DO the same Mistake with ARDOR because i really trust in this Tech.

Im SAD not because of the PRICE of the ARDOR... this is not most important i really believe in this TECH and when all went good and the people get familiar with this everything will come by itself the recognition, the price the value, the usability and so on.


I really hope someone from the TEAM read this im a friend of yours and i wish you and to Ardor only all good things posible but you have to understand the example above.

Thanks
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2018, 09:01:03 am »

Let me tell you something i read all of the comments here and YES most of the people are really right.
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PLEASE i really please you DO NOT DO the same Mistake with ARDOR because i really trust in this Tech.

Im SAD not because of the PRICE of the ARDOR... this is not most important i really believe in this TECH and when all went good and the people get familiar with this everything will come by itself the recognition, the price the value, the usability and so on.


I really hope someone from the TEAM read this im a friend of yours and i wish you and to Ardor only all good things posible but you have to understand the example above.

I completely agree with you.

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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2018, 04:14:42 pm »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 08:32:27 am »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
Example: Trustedchain Technologies with their MetaChain/Subchain concept: https://www.tct.io
However, they seem to be still at their beginning.
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 10:23:44 am »

1) someone knows where payment for issuing a child-chain (a muuulti digit number in EUR (*)) is going? Is Jelurida returning it back to the community/stake holders/investors?

* - just my guessing ;) ;) ;) ;)

2) if Jelurida is asking other companies to sign NDA then how transparent for the community is what they offer and what they want?
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 10:54:19 am »

1. I don't think that Jelurida gets money for creating a child chain (But I am not from Jelurida.) This is really only your guess.

2. Having an NDA that is transparent: isn't that a contradiction in itself?
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 04:23:31 pm »

Take note that Ardor isn't the only one with a child / private chain architecture.

Please do something before the giant grows up.

Please enlight me.. Interestet/really need that options..  :D
Example: Trustedchain Technologies with their MetaChain/Subchain concept: https://www.tct.io
However, they seem to be still at their beginning.

Also check private blockchains from Hyperledger and Hashgraph.
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 09:31:55 am »

The 'marketing concept' proposes that in order to satisfy the organizational objectives, an organization should anticipate the needs and wants of consumers and satisfy these more effectively than competitors. This concept originated from Adam Smith's book The Wealth of Nations, but would not become widely used until nearly 200 years later. Marketing and marketing concepts are directly related.

Given the centrality of customer needs and wants in marketing, a rich understanding of these concepts is essential:

Needs: Something necessary for people to live a healthy, stable and safe life. When needs remain unfulfilled, there is a clear adverse outcome: a dysfunction or death. Needs can be objective and physical, such as the need for food, water and shelter; or subjective and psychological, such as the need to belong to a family or social group and the need for self-esteem.
Wants: Something that is desired, wished for or aspired to. Wants are not essential for basic survival and are often shaped by culture or peer-groups.
Demands: When needs and wants are backed by the ability to pay, they have the potential to become economic demands.




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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 08:31:03 pm »

1) someone knows where payment for issuing a child-chain (a muuulti digit number in EUR (*)) is going? Is Jelurida returning it back to the community/stake holders/investors?
I don't know, but I'd expect them to keep it. Use some of it to fund further development and some as profit. They're a development company, not a charity. We're not shareholders. We do all benefit when another child chain is added and is successful. It grows the ecology.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 03:24:30 pm »

Right now Jelurida are the only ones starting new child chains and they are doing the coding for these as well so they would keep the fee.  The timeline calls for user-created childchains eventually and I'm sure this will happen.
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2018, 11:58:02 pm »

Maybe take part of that 15 mil and offer funding to the top 10 ICOs or assets, by X date. You'd have to publicize the bounty program though. I saw one ICO getting users on telegram and twitter by using earn.com and giving 40k people $1
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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2018, 08:49:24 pm »

Jelurida did not delegate marketing to ANG :) ANG is not connected with Jelurida and does not have marketing as one of its purposes. Many of the responsibilities do send a message however and we will do our best with that messaging.

for the marketing() they delegated to ANG but i don't really know what this guys and ladies are doing because they turn the thing like a kind of walled garden with a paid access...
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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2018, 08:01:50 am »

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Let us play a little game where there are only two choices :
  • spend the next day doing marketing
  • spend the next day implementing better tools and a better ARDRO IGNIS NXT world
What should one choose, to be the winner ?

For me, without the slightest hesitation, choice nr 2...


Sorry mate, but you should hesitate to make this choice. A lot of products with technical superior features never went mass market because of the lack of awareness. I feel the same with ARDOR. I fully believe in the technical advantage of this project, but I also feel that the market is not aware of the advantages of ARDOR. Twittering that it is a sleeping gaint and to keep faith isn't enough. Bringing news of companies that join the ARDOR platform is. I found it really strange that I never heard of the Janus project untill it became life per example. ARDOR would have done a better job when I was informed about this via 3 different communication channels if I wanted to or not.

Hi Piet, I fully agree with your comment... :)

It's just that I like much more the technical part of the ARDOR-childChains work than the difficult process of publishing it...

If we do not look at technology, what makes the blockchain value is it's networks effect; this means that even poor or obsolete implementations like BTC are slowly going to the moon...(not because of electricity costs, like some comments seem to believe); until we see the "Bitcoin accepted here" everywhere, we still have a long way to go !
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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2018, 09:40:43 am »

Is there going to be any marketing action for promoting all this stuff about 4yfn or are we going to be like always?

I mean, saying to ourselves that we are the best meanwhile nobody outside the projects knows it, prices continues to going down and other projects different to Ardor prospers??
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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2018, 11:47:43 am »

Hi  :D
lior talk video
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/968812365390270464
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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2018, 12:10:51 pm »

Hi  :D
lior talk video
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/968812365390270464
(no live streaming  :( )
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Is this video going to appear in any main mass media?? This should be a great opportunity to sell the project to the broad public
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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2018, 10:09:43 pm »

Hi  :D
lior talk video
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/968812365390270464
(no live streaming  :( )
@++

Is this video going to appear in any main mass media?? This should be a great opportunity to sell the project to the broad public

No, because Lior doesn't look like a drug addict. Getting ardor and ignis on binance is first priority which they are doing.

The should could be good if they get some ICOs to go to Ardor.
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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2018, 08:23:34 am »

(no live streaming  :( )

I live streamed the semi-final the day before on https://www.facebook.com/ardornxtgroup/ to an audience of only three. For the finals, I decided to stand and clap instead since we heard panel was also looking at audience reaction. Thankfully the video has been watched many times since as expected with a community across many time zones.

We build these platforms for content distribution. People don't follow and then complain that there is nothing happening. Then the message becomes "no marketing" instead of sharing all the consumable content that is created. Peer support and social sharing is one of the most coveted aspects of marketing these days. So, please, instead of always saying there is none - do your part to make it happen.

This is for the community and not just for the OP :)
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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2018, 10:19:42 am »

Hi  :D
(no live streaming  :( )

I live streamed the semi-final the day before on https://www.facebook.com/ardornxtgroup/ to an audience of only three. For the finals, I decided to stand and clap instead since we heard panel was also looking at audience reaction. Thankfully the video has been watched many times since as expected with a community across many time zones.

We build these platforms for content distribution. People don't follow and then complain that there is nothing happening. Then the message becomes "no marketing" instead of sharing all the consumable content that is created. Peer support and social sharing is one of the most coveted aspects of marketing these days. So, please, instead of always saying there is none - do your part to make it happen.

This is for the community and not just for the OP :)

I know that in this particular case you go there in full improvisation but it's a good job  :D
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not slack, not facebook and not in google or reddit... HERE  ;D
so, when you want something from the community, come here and open a new topic like:
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[ANG-ANN] Live stream to the Jelurida interventions in ...
1 or 2 days before the events...

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Thankfully the video has been watched many times since as expected with a community across many time zones.
this was my magic touch like many since before the ICO at today... ;)

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We build these platforms for content distribution. People don't follow and then complain that there is nothing happening. Then the message becomes "no marketing" instead of sharing all the consumable content that is created. Peer support and social sharing is one of the most coveted aspects of marketing these days.

yes, i agree with you, those platforms are importants for the marketing but not in the way that they are used now... so try this for the next effort and let's see...

1) start here in this forum to inform the community about the plan and what are your expectations as results... this step will be the catalyst to the ""...Peer support and social sharing... ""

2) do the event using all what those platforms can give as tools like the youtube live streaming stuff... photo albums... you know...

3) in the post-event time, do a full compilation of the event and some fun videos with Riker and the team... and publish it...

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you don't know me and what i did... so no comments  >:( >:( >:( >:( ;D

ADD: when you publish something in the other platforms, please do like nxter.org and open a topic or link it in an important topic like the Price speculation...

thank you  :D
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« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2018, 09:44:36 am »

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THIS FORUM IS THE NXT COMMUNITY'S HEADQUARTER
not slack, not facebook and not in google or reddit... HERE  ;D

I agree with you. I chose Twitter to communicate this time since it is quick, most familiar to me and the one where I have the largest reach. I was in real-time and juggling my phone with my handshake, meeting potential new business and community members (users).

But, you will be happy to know that ANG is working on a new, updated forum and I hope to revitalize this as a landing place for people looking for more information. I'm sorry I won't have a chance to formulate and post all the details as I am still traveling. Look for something more next week. I can tell you that March will be the month I will be pushing the forum :)

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So, please, instead of always saying there is none - do your part to make it happen.
you don't know me and what i did... so no comments  >:( >:( >:( >:( ;D

I believe you have contributed much :) That is why I said my reply wasn't for the original poster (OP). Much appreciation and thanks to you and the others who are keeping this forum going!
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2018, 01:36:11 pm »

Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.

In the industry I work in (lets call it a global industry where you need to hire staff from all over the world) it takes far longer. This is partly because its a big company where different departments need to be involved so only to put the job offer out on the net takes a month. If jelurida can shortcut this, it still takes months to hire specialised developers.

Showing CVs to the "community" would be illegal where I live.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2018, 01:42:35 pm »

Jelurida finished the ICO more than a month ago, it is enough time for having at least a pool of candidates and show their cvs to the community, for instance.

In the industry I work in (lets call it a global industry where you need to hire staff from all over the world) it takes far longer. This is partly because its a big company where different departments need to be involved so only to put the job offer out on the net takes a month. If jelurida can shortcut this, it still takes months to hire specialised developers.

Showing CVs to the "community" would be illegal where I live.

in the industry where i work which is a big world bank in as fast environment as blockchain, it takes less than 4 months to hire people (4 months is the time passed since the end of the ico till today)

it is no illegal to show cvs as long as you hide all personal information (name,sex,religion,age) in all parts of the world
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2018, 05:19:20 am »

The Ardor/Nxt community are not part of Jelurida.  We have no say in the people they hire and so why would they show us their CVs?  It's not like we are hiring by committee.  Anybody else out there could form their own company and create an update to Ardor taking it wherever they wanted and try to get the community to adopt it.  Nobody owns Ardor.
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2018, 10:05:04 am »

The Ardor/Nxt community are not part of Jelurida.  We have no say in the people they hire and so why would they show us their CVs?  It's not like we are hiring by committee.  Anybody else out there could form their own company and create an update to Ardor taking it wherever they wanted and try to get the community to adopt it.  Nobody owns Ardor.
If that is true then please show us the way how community can reassign raised funds from Jelurida to some other entity?
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Re: where is the marketing???
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2018, 12:12:35 pm »

The Ardor/Nxt community are not part of Jelurida.  We have no say in the people they hire and so why would they show us their CVs?  It's not like we are hiring by committee.  Anybody else out there could form their own company and create an update to Ardor taking it wherever they wanted and try to get the community to adopt it.  Nobody owns Ardor.
I am jealous, how do you do to put so much sense in so few words?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

in a constructive way, i will develop a little bit what you said by adding my own opinion and my vision of the things

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The Ardor/Nxt community are not part of Jelurida.
that's absolutely true, because it's jelurida that's part of the NXT community and not the opposite ... the thing people tend to forget ...

that said, in extreme cases where radical decisions must be made, the community can surely eject jelurida, ANG ,set fire to their beautiful castle and restore a democracy where the economic and social life of the community is maintained by people elected by the community and not by individual entities...

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We have no say in the people they hire and so why would they show us their CVs?  It's not like we are hiring by committee.
for this reason and many others, it is essential for the community to form a new committee or syndicat acting on its behalf to avoid the monopoly of decisions and to have both legal and social weight in the balance...

so, if Bas or Dave or any other person with the same level of credibility and trust in the community that is not linked or affiliated to jelurida or ANG wants to initiate this movement, I will be happy to add my bricks to what you build... like many other elders who do not like the way things have evolved... my only condition is ""The Community First""

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Anybody else out there could form their own company and create an update to Ardor taking it wherever they wanted and try to get the community to adopt it.  Nobody owns Ardor.
I can do that but i prefer 1000 times a third civil war to improve things than doing it ;D
for me, even a civil war is a marketing event because if you create an article with many positive things around NXT and title it "An Other Civil War In The Crypto World, NXT In The Focus"... this will both make noise around NXT and bring in curious people to see what's going on  ;)

it is this kind of economic intelligence that is missing at jelurida  ;D

Thank you for your contributions in this discussions and debate space  :D
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